Full Transcript Introduction to Dr. Payel Gupta 0:01 Welcome to the Startup Physicians podcast where we explore how doctors 0:06 lead healthcare innovation. Please like and follow our show to join our 0:10 community of physicians contributing to meaningful change. 0:16 Hi everyone, welcome back to the Startup Physicians podcast. This is your host 0:20 Dr. Allison Kerman and I am joined today by Dr. Pile Gupta who is a practicing 0:27 allergy and immunology doctor who has also had an incredible journey as a 0:32 founder and I'm just excited to have you here today. Thank you for joining me 0:36 pile. Thank you so much for having me today Allison. I'm really excited to be 0:40 able to talk about my journey and to share a little bit and hopefully inspire 0:45 others to think outside the box. So, for starters, I think I'll highlight the way 0:50 we connected, which is something that I'm always telling people in this 0:54 audience that you stand out by reaching out. And it's really important to be 1:00 surrounded by other people thinking and working in the same areas as you. And 1:04 there's countless communities that you can join. And one of the ones that Pile 1:09 and I are both on is um a it's a WhatsApp group called Docs in Tech. So 1:15 feel free to join that if you are interested. We just had a lot of synergy 1:20 in the in the WhatsApp conversation and she reached out to me and I think that 1:24 that really indicates something that I'm always encouraging this audience to do 1:28 is to never be worried about reaching out that networking is probably the
Global Health Sabbatical & Meeting Paul Farmer 1:32 number one thing you can do to grow your career. So I was thrilled to make the 1:37 connection and um loved hearing her startup story. So pile can you walk us 1:43 through kind of your early medical career and when things started pivoting 1:48 for you? >> Absolutely. So I am an allergist 1:50 immunologist and I started my training by you know doing a residency in 1:55 internal medicine pediatrics and then did my fellowship in allergy and then 1:59 after fellowship I started to kind of think outside the box right away. I had 2:04 always thought about global health and I actually did a sbatical right after my 2:09 fellowship and I went to Liberia in Africa for 4 months. I was in Nepal for 2:15 7 months and then I was in India for about 5 months. Uh I also took an 2:20 opportunity to travel through Southeast Asia for another um three months I do 2:26 believe. So I was gone for a little bit over 18 months and it was probably the 2:33 Yeah, it was a great experience and I was volunteering at different 2:37 organizations and through that experience I was able to meet Paul 2:41 Farmer who is the >> I know who's the founder of Partners in 2:47 Health and I just wanted to just give Partners in Health a quick moment too. 2:51 Partners in Health was started by a physician Dr. Paul Farmer and several 2:56 other people and it is an organization that really partners with other 3:00 countries in order to create better health care systems. So I was fortunate 3:05 enough to be working at an organization in Nepal that was kind of being 3:10 christened by Paul. So we were literally in the middle of nowhere in Nepal 3:15 preparing for a visit for Paul Farmer to come. And to be honest, I didn't really 3:20 know too much about him, but I quickly learned 3:22 >> that book, right? Mountains Beyond Mountains. 3:25 >> Yeah, he it was about him. So, he didn't technically write it. He wrote many 3:28 other books about the health care system and about how much more needs to be done 3:33 for the world and how much more we need to think about everyone around the world 3:38 and their healthcare. But he essentially, you know, just being around 3:42 him was inspiring. And I learned very quickly why he was able to do everything 3:48 that he did during his life. And unfortunately, he passed away several 3:51 years ago suddenly, which was very traumatic, I think, for the entire not 3:56 for-profit community and definitely for Partners in Health. But, you know, I 4:00 just wanted to highlight that experience because it was kind of me taking a 4:03 pivot, right? Like taking a chance of doing something different. So after my 4:08 fellowship, I could have done the normal thing which is gone into practice and 4:13 started making money. But instead, and I think a lot of my friends in medicine 4:18 were just kind of like, what are you doing? Like this is our first 4:21 opportunity to start making money and you're going to go and volunteer. Um, 4:25 and it was the best experience of my life. Like I will never look back and 4:30 regret that experience. and I don't feel like I am in a worse place financially 4:36 because I took that time off. So, I wanted to highlight that 4:40 >> it sounds like such an adventure and such a this is such an example of a 4:45 lifede definfining experience that opens your mind so far beyond the walls of a 4:51 single organization. People following a traditional pathway tend to get a little 4:57 boxed in even if we are not intending to. So, it sounds like you just kicked
Taking Early Career Risks 5:02 off your career with this like massive expansive mindset world experience and 5:08 that probably, you know, colored a lot of your choices later. Yeah, absolutely. 5:14 I feel like that experience just taught me that taking a risk can pay off and 5:20 that you don't have to follow kind of the traditional path to have an 5:24 experience that will be meaningful or actually I think the opposite like you 5:29 will have more meaningful experiences maybe if you take that risk right and so 5:34 um so yeah so when I came back from that experience and actually my first 5:38 interview for my first job was done through Zoom uh back in 2011 5:45 and uh or no 2012 and I had a zoom interview while I was in India with an 5:52 allergy practice in New York City that I started working for when I got back. So 5:58 that was my first job in New York City was working for a large allergy 6:02 practice. Then I shifted to another large ENT and allergy practice where I 6:09 was working as an associate working on my partnership track. And then the 6:14 pandemic hit and I was pregnant with my first child. And it was really, you 6:18 know, it was terrifying for everyone, but definitely as a pregnant physician, 6:22 it felt more terrifying to be honest with you, you know. and they sent us 6:27 home probably it was March 31st and um it was I think my first day working in 6:34 tele medicine at home and that I just remember taking a huge sigh of relief 6:39 because I was so nervous going into the office for the last two weeks of March 6:43 to be honest with you as a pregnant person 6:46 >> I had a newborn at that point too I mean it just like we didn't know anything 6:51 right we didn't know what it does to pregnant people we didn't know what I 6:54 mean my baby had been in the NICU and um yeah, it's just like a whole another 6:59 level of like work stress that I didn't even know existed.
COVID, Pregnancy & A Career Pivot 7:04 >> Yeah, absolutely. You're trying to keep your infant safe and I was trying to 7:07 keep my unborn infant safe, right? And so it was it was a really scary 7:11 experience. And the first day literally one of my friends who was just 2 weeks 7:17 ahead of me in her pregnancy. I was kind of talking to her and managing uh or 7:22 helping her just kind of uh manage COVID. So she was actually she got 7:26 diagnosed with COVID about 8 days before and then right around the 8th day is 7:32 when she started feeling short of breath. And she called me and I sent her 7:35 to the ER. She ended up getting intubated that night. She ended up get 7:39 having an emergency C-section just at 24 weeks the next day. And that was really 7:45 the start of my experience working from home was really also managing this scary 7:52 situation that was happening to one of my really really good friends and you 7:57 know and I was trying to be an advocate because her family is not in medicine 8:02 and so I was being that physician advocate that I think many of us have 8:05 had an experience being in that situation. And so I was trying to talk 8:09 to the ICU doctors and you know magically and thankfully she was one of 8:15 those people that ended up getting extabated and her baby also did really 8:19 well. So they're both really survivors were doing great are doing great but 8:24 that experience in itself was just so traumatic. And then right around that 8:30 time was when my company right right when she was getting extabated was when 8:34 my company was like you need to come back in to work and I was like there is 8:38 no way I am going back in to work like I'm doing a great job seeing my patients 8:43 through tele medicine I want to continue to do this and at that point I was given 8:47 kind of zero options besides you can come to the office to make money or you 8:53 can stay at home and have job protected unpaid time off. And that's the route 8:58 that I ended up taking, especially with my experience with my friend. I decided 9:02 that that was going to be the best thing for me. I was an older I'm an older mom. 9:08 Um, I had to go through IVF to have my son and so it was a very special 9:13 pregnancy like every pregnancy, but this one I was not willing to risk my life or 9:18 my child's life. of course during that time so in 2019 I had actually started 9:23 to consult with a startup and in early 2020 I was actually asked to be a
Becoming a Health Tech Co-Founder 9:30 co-founder of that startup and it was a startup in the allergy space these two 9:35 people um that both have allergies and asthma they wanted to start something in 9:40 the allergy space but neither one of them are allergists one is Rockefeller 9:45 like an actual Rockefeller and the other is somebody that has worked with big 9:51 pharma companies in helping them put together their patient support programs. 9:55 So Ryan Rockefeller, he had done his business school at Colombia and so he 10:01 reached out to his Columbia network and said, "I want to do something in the 10:04 allergy space. Does anyone know an allergist?" And one of the people from 10:09 Columbia MBA said, "Yeah, I know. My friend Wayi is an allergist." So he 10:14 connected Ryan to Weiwayi. Weii was my co-fellow during fellowship. So just me 10:20 and her where we had a twoperson fellowship and so we are best friends 10:25 you know she's one of my really really good friends and so way we got that 10:28 phone call and she's like you know what I don't think this is for me but I I 10:31 think I have the right person for you so she gave them my name and that's how 10:35 everything started right and so I started to consult with them became the 10:39 co-founder and I'll tell my co-founder story too because I literally set that 10:44 up too and I have the text message to show that but I sent a text to Ryan and 10:49 Jimmy and I said, "You know what? You guys are not doctors and you're trying 10:52 to do something in the health tech space. I think if you want to get more 10:56 funding, having a doctor as a co-founder might help you." And I was like, "You 11:00 guys are both men, so maybe a woman doctor co-founder would be a great look, 11:04 you know." And they were like, "Haha." And then a week later, they're like, 11:08 "We'd like to take you out to dinner." And at that dinner conversation, they 11:12 asked me to be a co-founder. So, you know, again, if you don't ask, you shall 11:15 not receive me. That's uh Yeah. But that was really how I became the co-founder 11:22 of this health startup. And so what we were doing was um starting a tele 11:27 medicine company in the allergy space. And it was actually the perfect time to
Telemedicine + Pharma Direct-to-Consumer Model 11:33 do that during the pandemic. >> Yeah. And right before the pandemic, we 11:38 were starting to get you know started on this idea. But everyone was kind of 11:41 looking at me like I had two heads. They're like what do you want to do? 11:44 Tele medicine for allergy? Like what does that even look like? Right? But 11:47 then after the pandemic set in everyone was like tele medicine we totally 11:52 understand it right and so but our claim to fame really was working with a 11:56 medium-sized pharmaceutical company to bring direct to consumer their product. 12:01 So now we see that a lot with Lily Direct. I think everyone knows what that 12:05 is. It's a direct connection to getting a prescription for an obesity 12:10 medication. Well, we were doing that for assembling amunotherapy tablet that is 12:14 FDA approved. So we had a link to our company on the website. So like if the 12:22 company is advertising, oh, you know, this is our sublingual amotherapy 12:26 tablet, go to our website, understand more about the product, and then we had 12:29 a link to if you want to see if you're a good candidate for this, click here. And 12:34 then we were the tele medicine option in order to get access to the medication. 12:38 And so that was our claim to fame. We were early adopters of that kind of 12:42 direct to consumer access to a medication with a pharmaceutical company 12:47 and so one thing led to another and we actually got acquired in 2022 and by a 12:53 larger tele medicine company called lifemd and it was a really cool 12:57 experience right from it was really fun >> it's like the whole life cycle yeah
Startup Acquisition in 2022 13:02 >> the whole life cycle I had that entire experience and you know I was we were 13:08 talking a little bit before this all started about, you know, marketing and 13:12 do you know like do you know marketing? Do you know what a CTO is? Do you know 13:17 what it means to work with, you know, a company to even start the process, 13:23 right? And we even had actually a supplement that we were creating on the 13:26 side because that was kind of Ryan's dream. And so we were doing many things. 13:30 We were creating a product plus creating a tech product. And so we I really got a 13:35 lot of hands-on experience. And so people talk about getting an MBA. I feel 13:39 like I got a realworld MBA through that experience and I feel very lucky for 13:45 that experience and it really changed the course of my entire career. And so I 13:52 did take that job protected on time off and I went through my maternity leave. 13:57 But when I was asked to come back, the startup was actually in a really good 14:01 space where I was able to get hired on full-time. And I had decided pretty 14:06 early on after that entire situation happened that I that this wasn't the 14:10 right company for me to kind of work until retirement anyways. Like I didn't 14:15 really want to be a partner there. And so I I gave my resignation right after 14:19 my maternity leave. So I never went back to that practice. No hard feelings, but 14:24 it just wasn't the right fit for me. It was, you know, taking that step was 14:29 really hard. I remember sitting there on my couch like hitting the send button
Why Physicians Struggle with Risk 14:33 and having to pause for a little bit, right? Like it was very scary to do 14:39 that, but it was definitely the best decision. And so yeah, so that's kind of 14:44 a little bit about my journey. Yeah. So, it sounds like one of the themes that I 14:49 hear come out is just getting comfortable with taking risk. I think 14:53 it's one of the things that physicians sometimes struggle with because we 14:57 honestly have a very well-defined and safe development path. Like you have no 15:03 doubt that after you go to college, if you want to be a doctor, you got to go 15:07 to med school. And if you do med school, then the next step is residency. So, it 15:13 it's just like it's very sequential. And then, you know, we're also all raised in 15:18 academics where there's like these very clear, you know, hierarchical pathways 15:23 and um and it feels just like a very step-wise and linear career path. And I 15:28 think that a lot of people get to the practicing part of that and then they 15:32 think, is this it? Like what am I always going to work on, you know, weekends and 15:38 am I making the impact I want to make and what else can I do? feel like maybe 15:42 I've kind of mastered my normal breadandbut dayto-day and I'm interested 15:47 in just something interesting and to get off that linear pathway even if it's as 15:53 a side gig like you have to take risks you have to put yourself out there you 15:57 have to you know send an email saying hey you need a doctor co-founder you
The Two Beliefs That Change Everything 16:01 need to quit a job to to go to the next opportunity um and sometimes it's that 16:07 untethering of of of the old safety nets that leads to your, you know, your next 16:13 evolution. >> Yeah, absolutely. I think pivoting, 16:16 risk-taking, all of that stuff doesn't come naturally to us in general. I think 16:21 as physicians, we are maybe more traditional and and less of that 16:25 risk-taking behavior, which I think is totally great and fine, too, right? And 16:30 so, it's not for everyone. And at times, it was a little bit scary, you know, to 16:35 take that leap of faith, but if you do, sometimes it works out. and sometimes it 16:40 doesn't. But I think that the key thing to remember is as physicians, there are 16:45 just so many opportunities that we can take. So even if that particular 16:50 opportunity doesn't pan out, it doesn't mean that you're going to be out of a 16:54 job, right? And so there's always the next career opportunity waiting for you. 16:59 And I think that's kind of what I lean into. And since the acquisition, since 17:04 2022, so many things have happened with my career, even from that point, right? 17:09 And so it's all about understanding that this one thing might not have worked 17:15 out, but there are a million other opportunities that are out. I think 17:19 about one of my biggest leaps, which is when I my husband and I both quit our 17:23 jobs as physicians in one city and uprooted from again, I I said I was, 17:28 "Oh, we're never going to move." like my mom lived close by. We like bought the 17:33 house next door to us for my grandma. We were really connected in the community. 17:37 My husband had a practice. We were very rooted and then this insane opportunity 17:42 came up and we were like, "Oh my god, even if even if this concept, this 17:46 company that I was building never launches, just the experience of having 17:52 worked in this venture capital like venture studio private equity firm will 17:56 have set my career on a completely different trajectory. So, it's about 18:01 calculated risk. It's not like, oh, I'm just going to blow everything up and 18:04 hope it all works out, but actually being willing to see the potential 18:09 benefits down the road if you are to take a leap. And of course, I always 18:15 encourage people to to be very clear about what your outcome is that you want 18:19 and what what sort of options there are on different pathways. I think there's 18:23 two fundamental beliefs that we need to adopt to get really good at this. One is 18:30 that I as a physician am really good at solving problems. So we may want a map 18:37 of every problem that we might face. And if you're going into like allergy 18:41 private practice, you probably can brainstorm most of the problems that 18:45 you're going to face in that sort of a role. With a startup, it's just like God 18:49 who knows no idea what sort of problems we're going to face. Um, but if you 18:54 develop a fundamental belief that like I am a good problem solver, I can I can 18:59 figure out a lot of things. I think that for me as an ER doctor, it's like I 19:04 definitely know how to call a consult. So, I certainly know how to know what I 19:10 don't know and find someone that knows it. So, this unshakable belief that you 19:15 can figure a lot of things out and two, as a doctor, you can always make money 19:20 somehow. There's there's many many ways for me to make money. If if you were to 19:24 adopt those two beliefs and really believe it and not think like, oh, I 19:29 have to have this W2 job or if I if I moved on like my financial security will 19:35 blow up. Just realizing and starting to explore all the different ways you can 19:40 make money as a physician and realizing that you can carve your own pathway and 19:44 solve the problems along the way. Um I think those two beliefs would 19:48 fundamentally change most people's risk profiles. 19:52 >> Yeah, absolutely. I I couldn't agree more. I think that understanding that we 19:58 provide so much value ad to any space really and definitely in the health tech 20:02 space is something that I think a lot of physicians are starting to understand 20:06 and I think there is a moment right now that we're in where a lot of physicians 20:10 and definitely younger physicians that are looking to serve as consultants and 20:16 things like that and so I think that those two points that you just made are 20:20 are super high yield and important. So, what sorts of things did you feel like 20:24 as a physician you were able to add incredible value to the venture you were
The Physician Value in Health Tech 20:30 starting and that it it came from your physician skill set that to just kind of 20:36 highlight to people how valuable our skill set is? It I mean it's a tele 20:41 medicine offering and we were doing asynchronous consults actually not 20:45 synchronous consults. So when you're doing asynchronous tele medicine, you 20:50 really have to put together an intake form that makes sense, right? You have 20:54 to understand what are the critical things that you need to know for a 20:58 patient in order to make sure that you're getting all the information that 21:03 you need in order to prescribe a medication for that patient. And so just 21:08 I mean those are the things that we are doing every single day, right? We once 21:13 you get I think in year two, three, four of your training and definitely once 21:19 you're in practice, you become so fast at knowing your conditions and what 21:25 questions you need to ask in order to get to the, you know, the answer that 21:29 you need. And so that was a big obviously value ad for the company and 21:35 understanding just even the life cycle of a patient, right? and how that works 21:40 for you know Ryan and Jimmy they are patients themselves but they don't they 21:46 still didn't understand like what do we need to think about for a patient and 21:51 their treatment during this entire kind of process like we still need them to be 21:57 on therapy are going to transition them to this medication once they're and once 22:01 they're transitioned what does that look like we're not going to take them off of 22:04 this therapy we're going to continue them on their regular therapy and then 22:07 check in with um to see how they're doing and then gradually help them 22:11 adjust their medications. So, it's just, you know, it's just understanding 22:14 patients, what they need and what kind of questions we even need to start with 22:19 and how that entire process of getting that patient and even that even the 22:26 marketing aspect of what are patients coming in with, right? What are the 22:30 questions? What are the things that they're most worried about, right? 22:34 Concerning their allergies. That was a big thing that the marketers were 22:38 sitting with me as the doctor. >> You know that backwards and forwards cuz 22:42 you've seen thousands of these people and you know exactly what they need and 22:46 what they are concerned about. Like it's just directly from your experience, but 22:52 you're inserting it into a new part of a business. So the marketing part of a 22:57 business or the sales side of a business or the product development side of a 23:02 business like it's just a key position that needs to be in any health tech 23:08 company and you can then lend those skills and that expertise to all the 23:12 different you know divisions within a developing company. I think that's such 23:16 a great example of um I mean I joke about how one of the teams that I worked 23:21 with early on at the firm we were building a selection algorithm with 23:26 ICD10 codes to decide which kids to take risk on and it was like 10,000 ICD10 23:31 codes and and they were all grouped by you know these people that were 23:34 investment bankers and healthcare economists and I was able to basically 23:38 identify that like okay cardiac transplant and corneal transplant do not 23:43 belong in the group. Those are very very different 23:46 trajectories and things like that that it's like it's like clinical insight 23:51 that you understand like who's pathway is going to be affected by 23:55 anti-rejection meds and and more hospitalizations or like you said what 23:59 are the concerns of these patients coming in for for me I had like an 24:03 unshakable belief that this model was going to work out because I knew how bad 24:08 the current system was. I was like there there's the bar is so low. we're 24:13 definitely gonna succeed because the bar is so low right now and nobody's 24:17 focusing on this. And so you can contribute all of this really unique 24:22 value that sometimes there's things that we kind of think everyone knows, but 24:27 they they don't all know it. We know it because it's like inherent knowledge
Overcoming Imposter Syndrome 24:32 deep inside of us from years of experience and thousands of patient 24:35 encounters. >> Absolutely. And I think that is where 24:38 you know a lot of physicians, a lot of people have imposter syndrome. No matter 24:42 what profession you're in and I think that that holds true even as a physician 24:47 consulting sometimes you're like wait am I like you know they're going to pay me 24:51 x amount. I have to make sure I really know what you're what I'm talking about. 24:54 And it's like you do know what you're talking about. You really do. You've had 24:58 years and years of training and years and years of experience. So the value 25:03 that you bring to the table is huge. It's humongous. And I think that all 25:08 these startups and are starting to realize how important it is to have us 25:12 at the table and to make sure that they're consulting with us before 25:16 they're putting a product out to market because it's not going to work unless 25:21 true healthcare providers. >> Well, first off, they don't want to have 25:24 quality and safety issues like any healthcare company. If you harm a 25:28 patient, that's like of course like not aligned with the mission and really bad 25:32 for the company. two, they there's a lot of compliance reasons why you might need 25:36 a physician, like especially if you're starting some sort of a medical group. 25:39 Three, when you're trying to do business development and outreach, guess what? A 25:43 lot of times, if you're selling to practices or hospitals, they will not 25:47 get the time of day. Whereas, if they have a physician on their team who's 25:50 helping them do outreach, we can make a lot of connections for them. For payers 25:55 will not partner with companies that don't have the right clinical people 26:00 involved. They just won't. So if a lot of companies their big strategy is like 26:04 oh we started as direct to consumer and now we're going to go to the payers like 26:07 or even to employers those bigger contracts you absolutely have to have a 26:11 clinical voice at the table. Um and then I would say five the the validation like 26:16 they may have like all the belief that their product is going to be amazing and 26:21 it's going to cause all these savings and be wonderful for patients. Well, you 26:25 got to prove it. And I have yet to meet a startup who knows how to run a like 26:29 IRB approved validation study. So, I mean, that's like a lot of what I do for 26:33 startups sometimes is help them with their validation studies. And if you 26:37 come from academic research, guess what? You are already like super well prepared 26:40 to bring that skill set into a startup and be like, okay, how can we prove that 26:45 your model is is valuable in a way that will speak to payers? So, I just think 26:50 this has been such an amazing conversation to really highlight all 26:54 these different areas of value that physicians can bring, the whole concept 26:59 of taking risks, having beliefs that you can figure things out and that you can
How to Use LinkedIn for Consulting Opportunities 27:04 make money doing a lot of things and just realizing what sort of world is 27:09 available once you start looking in places that you weren't looking before. 27:13 And so as we wrap up, I'd love to just give you a chance to see if there's any 27:17 like last bit of advice you would give to people that are listening that they 27:22 know they want something more and they just don't even know where to start. 27:25 Yeah, I think that for me at this point, I think LinkedIn is a great resource. I 27:31 think developing your profile, making sure your profile is up todate, I think 27:35 that's really helpful. I get a lot of opportunities now through LinkedIn where 27:39 people are looking for physicians that have certain types of skill sets and so 27:44 that's one area that I think every physician so you may not be a social 27:48 media person but technically LinkedIn is social media and it's for professionals 27:53 and a lot of seuite executives are on there and the CTO's are on there's just 28:01 every part of a startup all of those people are on LinkedIn and So if you 28:07 want to start kind of venturing into this area, I would say start there. And 28:12 that means your profile should be up to date, but then you should start looking 28:16 on there for opportunities and for people that you want to work with 28:22 potentially. And then start interacting with them. Maybe even send them a direct 28:26 message and say, you know, I have this skill set and I think it would be really 28:30 fun to work on this project. and then see if they have an opportunity for you 28:34 to do that because not all jobs are listed on the website, right? And so 28:39 reaching out shows a lot of initiative. It shows that you're interested and so I 28:44 would say starting off there and if you never get a response, don't feel bad 28:47 because people are busy, right? And so and it might not be the right time, 28:51 right? that your your message in that inbox may get clicked on later on and 28:56 you may get an opportunity through that message later and it might not be right 29:00 away or it could just lead to a connection and a conversation and maybe 29:05 you meet them at a conference later and then you know relationships build over 29:09 time. So it's not like the first time you send a message somebody's going to 29:12 be like yeah sure here's a 5k a month retainer but if you put one feeler out 29:18 you'll have one opportunity in the pipeline. If you put a hundred feelers 29:21 out, you're gonna have a hundred opportunities in the pipelines. For 29:24 people who are interested in doing this in more of a structure with 29:28 accountability and a lot of guidance, we do have a course called the startup
Launchpad & Incubator Opportunities 29:33 physicians launchpad for people who are interested in developing a career as an 29:37 adviser and a consultant. Sometimes we need a community around us to take 29:41 action and maybe even a step-by-step framework. So, we have a ton of tools 29:45 and we've had 50 or 60 doctors go through this program and launch their 29:49 advisory careers. For those of you who are interested in becoming an adviser, 29:52 I'd encourage you to check out the launchpad. And then for those of you who 29:56 are like, "Wow, I love this story about being a co-founder and I have an idea 30:01 that I want to build." We also have an incubator program and applications will 30:06 be opening soon. So, if you are interested in learning more about what 30:10 it takes to build a healthcare startup, check out our incubator program on the 30:14 website. Pile, thank you so much for your time. For people who are interested 30:18 in hearing more from Pile, she has a podcast. It's called It's called The 30:22 Itch, right? >> Yes. It's It's called The Itch, and it's 30:25 all about allergies and asthma. >> Awesome. And we will also include her 30:30 social media and her LinkedIn in the show notes. I hope that this was 30:33 inspiring and and something that will prompt you to take action. Um, and you 30:39 can always feel free to reach out to me or any of our guests to talk about next 30:44 stages in your career. So, thank you all for joining and we'll see you next time. 30:48 Thanks for listening to the Startup Physicians Podcast. This community was 30:52 built for doctors who want to contribute to the future of healthcare. We offer 30:56 support for physicians who are ready to make the next step towards building the 31:00 career they've dreamed of. Visit startupfysicians.com 31:04 to learn more. And if this episode resonated with you, share it with 31:09 another friend who needs to hear it. Let's change the future of healthcare 31:12 together.
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