Full Transcript Introduction and interview overview 0:07 Welcome back to the Heal Your Brain Masterclass. 0:10 I'm your host Doctor David Jockers. 0:12 And today I've got the great honor of interviewing my friend Doctor 0:15 Peter Osborne. 0:17 We're talking all about gluten mold and nutrient 0:21 deficiencies and how they drive brain inflammation. 0:24 So doctor Peter Osborne, he's 0:26 a clinical director of Origins Health Care in Sugarland, Texas. 0:29 He's a doctor of chiropractic functional medicine, 0:32 and a board certified clinical nutritionist. 0:35 He's often referred to as the gluten free warrior, and Doctor Osborne 0:39 is one of the most sought after functional medicine doctors in the country, 0:43 and he's the founder of Gluten Free Society, 0:46 the author of the bestselling book No Grain, No Pain and the host of gluten 0:50 allergy Masterclass series The Ultimate Guide to Going Gluten Free. 0:55 You can find his great work at drpeterosborne.com. 0:59 And again today we're talking about gluten, mold 1:01 and nutrient deficiencies and how they drive brain inflammation. 1:06 So we're going to 1:07 we're going to talk about what is gluten and how does it impact gut and the brain. 1:11 We're going to talk about major food sensitivities and impact inflammation. 1:15 We're going to talk about key nutrient deficiencies 1:17 that are involved in food sensitivities and autoimmunity, and why 1:21 chronic mold illness is on the rise and what you can do about it. 1:26 So you guys are in for a treat here. 1:27 Doctor Osborne is actually going to go through his story on chronic mold. 1:30 So you're in for a treat for that. 1:32 And so without further ado, let's go into this interview with Doctor Peter Osborne.
What gluten is and where itu2019s found 1:37 Peter Osborne, always great to connect with you. 1:39 And I know obviously your your expertise is in 1:42 gluten and food sensitivities, food allergies. 1:46 And so let's start by talking about gluten. 1:48 What is that? 1:49 A lot of people here about gluten free and gluten. 1:51 But what what actually is it and what are the foods 1:54 that, you know, obviously contain gluten. 1:57 Yeah. 1:58 So gluten is basically it's a family of proteins found in grains. 2:02 So, you know, wheat, barley, rye or the classic grains people think about 2:06 when they think about gluten, 2:07 but they're actually forms of gluten also found in oats and rice and corn 2:11 and sorghum and millet, which are, you know, again, classically, 2:14 these grains are considered gluten free, but there's no such thing 2:17 as a gluten free grain. 2:18 So gluten is the family of proteins found in the seeds of grass, 2:22 which is what grains are. 2:24 These proteins are soluble in alcohol. 2:26 That's the botanical definition, if you will. 2:29 So any time you're eating bread, pizza, pasta made from these items, 2:34 any time you have or using a gravy that's been thickened with wheat flour, 2:38 any time you, you pick up a donut or any other type of baked 2:42 good, you're going to be getting gluten exposure. 2:45 Yeah, absolutely. 2:46 And so a lot of people will pivot to gluten free. 2:49 And yeah it's funny because my wife and I kind of 2:52 kind of laugh because I've got family members 2:54 that'll be like, oh, this is gluten free light. 2:56 And they're 2:56 and they kind of light up like, hey, I can eat as much as of this that I want. 3:01 And, you know, it's healthy, 3:03 but, you know, is there are all gluten free products healthy? 3:06 What is gluten actually do in the body? 3:09 Let's let's kind of go through that. 3:11 Yeah. 3:11 So gluten as a protein, it can do several things. 3:16 One of the newer research studies that this has come out 3:19 in the last ten years or so, shows that gluten exposure can cause leaky gut. 3:24 And it doesn't matter who you are, whether you're gluten sensitive 3:26 or whether you're not gluten sensitive. 3:27 So, that's one of the downfalls to having a high gluten diet, is that it 3:32 actually, you know, punches microscopic holes in your gut lining, 3:35 allowing your poop basically a leak into your bloodstream and everything else.
How gluten drives leaky gut and brain inflammation 3:39 And so that's a precursor to most forms of autoimmune disease. 3:42 So we don't want that, obviously. 3:44 But gluten also is a neurotoxin. 3:46 There's a 3:47 there's a group of researchers at Oxford who've been studying this for decades now. 3:50 And they have MRI evidence that shows how gluten 3:54 can form antibodies against brain tissue, nervous tissue actually 3:58 shrink areas of the brain, causing diseases like imbalance, vertigo. 4:03 Tonight is and even gluten has been linked to diseases like bipolar 4:07 and schizophrenia. 4:08 It's actually actually its original name was Bread Madness. 4:11 Which is which is an interesting history about gluten itself. 4:15 Now, what is the mechanism for that? 4:16 How does gluten what does it do in the gut that will then 4:20 cause increased intestinal permeability and leaky gut? 4:24 Yeah. 4:24 So there's an interaction that occurs in the immune system. 4:27 Once once your immune system sees gluten then it presents it to your 4:31 your immune cells. 4:32 Your dendritic cells will then launch into two possible, scenarios. 4:36 One of the scenarios is you'll make antibodies against that. 4:40 These antibodies are basically little weapons 4:42 that are trying to neutralize gluten. 4:44 But in the process of neutralizing gluten, they cause inflammation 4:47 to the surrounding tissues. 4:49 So it's kind of like, yeah, friendly fire killing, killing the wrong person. 4:54 Right. 4:54 So if that inflammation is occurring in the gut, 4:57 you get inflammatory damage to the gut. 4:59 That's what leads to the classic celiac disease or villus atrophy. 5:03 Is is the hallmark, you know, sign of that, which is basically 5:06 just an erosion of the folds of the intestine. 5:10 So it causes malabsorption and, and really severely can affect a person's health. 5:15 We see the same kind of antibody reaction also occurring in brain tissue. 5:20 There's an enzyme called tissue trans glutamic acid or TTG 5:23 that that is present also in the brain. 5:25 And so some people, when they're exposed to gluten, 5:28 the antibody responses are occurring in the brain tissue. 5:30 And so you can get the outcome of that can be what we call brain 5:34 inflammation, right. 5:35 The brain inflammation which can contribute to depression and anxiety. 5:39 And bipolar situations, even schizoaffective or schizophrenics 5:44 have been shown to have a high percentage of them have been shown to have gluten, 5:48 gluten antibodies. 5:49 We've actually seen in our clinic a number of schizophrenics get better. 5:53 Now, I'm not saying that all schizophrenia is caused by just gluten. 5:55 There's certainly a, 5:57 an array of different potential things that can happen with neurological disease, 6:00 but gluten is a major trigger as far as the madness component. 6:05 There's a there's a mold component to to gluten. 6:07 And originally when it was when it was called bread Madness, it was because, 6:11 the grain flours have a high propensity to grow mold on them. 6:15 And there was an alkaloid of mold called ergo ergot 6:19 that was a hallucinogenic mold byproduct. 6:23 And so individuals eating moldy bread for example, would develop bread. 6:26 Madness, right? 6:27 They'd have schizo affective hallucinations. 6:29 And that's where that term comes from. 6:32 Oh, yeah, that's really interesting. 6:33 Now, a lot of people will go gluten free and they'll buy stuff that's gluten free. 6:37 And a lot of it's made with 6:40 what's considered 6:40 gluten free sources like corn and rice. 6:44 What are your thoughts on those those types of things? 6:47 They're bad news for several reasons. 6:49 One, rice has a form of gluten in it called auxin, 6:51 and corn has a form of gluten in it called Zayn. 6:54 These types of gluten are equally inflammatory to people 6:59 with gluten sensitivity. 7:00 In my experience, we see this all the time. 7:02 We actually have named it. 7:03 It's called gluten free. 7:04 Whiplash is when a person originally goes gluten free. 7:08 Generally they go wheat, barley, rye free. 7:10 There's a period of improvement that they start feeling better. 7:13 But once they start discovering that gluten free food 7:15 all with all the corn and rice products, they start going backwards. 7:19 They start whip lashing backwards into health issues again. 7:22 So, it's not something I recommend, although technically, 7:26 you know, the FDA considers those grains gluten free. 7:29 They do have they're just different types of gluten that can stimulate 7:33 similar types of inflammatory reactions.
Why gluten-free grains can still be inflammatory 7:36 So gluten free source is not necessarily good. 7:40 Especially you know, if they're labeled gluten free. 7:42 What should people stick with when it comes to an anti-inflammatory diet. 7:47 How do you approach that in your clinic. 7:50 We test them I mean the best thing to do is test. 7:52 Don't guess that's my opinion of it. 7:54 So we test to see because 7:55 the person could be gluten sensitive, but they could also be reactive to dairy. 7:59 They could be reactive to broccoli. 8:00 I see people reactive to blueberries. 8:02 I mean it's it's a, it's a it's an array of potential possibilities. 8:06 And so when we, we establish a person's diet, we first test them 8:11 to discern what their immune systems perceive to be the threat. 8:14 Right. 8:15 And then we can modify their diet based on their own uniqueness. 8:19 And in that way that's that's the ultimate 8:21 personalized, you know, anti-inflammatory diet. 8:24 Now, if we're generalizing, you know, a safe bet would be buy organic foods. 8:29 If when you're talking about, 8:30 you know, plant based products, try to avoid processed food at all costs. 8:34 There's major studies coming out now on ultra 8:36 processed food, really causing a lot of inflammation and damage. 8:39 And so it's just a safe bet to stay away from those types of things. 8:42 So whole foods, organic food, when it comes to meat, grass fed, free 8:47 range, organic, wild caught are some good general guidelines to follow. 8:52 If you're just trying to make sure that you're avoiding the chemicals 8:56 and the processing 8:57 and some of the other things that are just not good for any human. 9:01 Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. 9:03 So obviously trying to get rid of the processed foods, really sticking 9:07 with whole real foods. 9:08 It's a great baseline as far as nutrition goes. 9:11 Now, what are some of the nutritional deficiencies that you see associated 9:14 with people that, you know, maybe dealing with, autoimmunity, gluten 9:19 sensitivity, a lot of different issues that you're seeing in your in your clinic. 9:22 Yeah. 9:23 We've been tracking this now for over 20 years. 9:25 And the top five deficiencies, that I've recorded 9:28 through testing on individuals with gluten issues. 9:32 Number one, vitamin D, number two, iron, number three, B12, number four, zinc. 9:37 And number five, omega three fatty acids. 9:40 So those five are the most common we see. 9:43 And so it's, you know, if you're if you're at home, you know, watching this 9:47 and you're thinking, should I maybe take some supplements, you know, 9:50 think about those five based on my own, my own clinical experience.
Testing food sensitivities and choosing an anti-inflammatory diet 9:54 But but really ideally go get them tested, like work with your doctor 9:57 to get those levels tested, because you may not have one of those five. 10:01 You may have something totally different and you may need something different. 10:04 So it's always best to get a personalized recommendation, in my opinion, through 10:09 through lab testing. 10:11 Yeah, 10:11 especially with some of those like iron, for example. 10:14 A lot of people have high iron, right? 10:16 So certainly we see iron deficiency anemia, 10:20 which tends to be a lot more common in menstruating females in particular, 10:23 or people 10:24 that have inflammatory bowel disease where they're they have malabsorption. 10:29 Then it's you. 10:29 Then those individuals are at higher risk. 10:31 But most men, for example, actually have too much iron already. 10:35 So they start supplementing with iron. 10:37 It's actually going to cause more oxidative 10:39 stress and inflammation in their system. 10:40 So yeah, you just don't want to you don't want to guess. 10:43 I know you didn't mention magnesium is that somewhere in your top ten? 10:48 Actually, no, it's probably in my top 15. 10:51 But I know that's probably counter to what a lot of people see on the internet. 10:55 And I'm not saying that magnesium is not important, 10:57 but I don't think that many people, at least not in my experience 11:01 in over 10,000 tests, actually more than ten, 11:05 that probably closer to 50,000 tests, but over 10,000 individual people 11:10 where we just don't see magnesium as frequently as what it's being reported. 11:14 Now, I think a lot of people benefit from magnesium 11:18 because it actually has therapeutic effects, right? 11:21 It's a natural muscle relaxer. 11:23 If you've got anxiety or muscle tension, it's going to have a therapeutic effect 11:27 in that that effect may not be correcting a deficiency per se. 11:32 It may just be the relaxation effect that magnesium presents. 11:35 It makes a person feel better, 11:36 but we don't see the level of deficiency that's oftentimes reported. 11:40 I've seen reports where it's like, 11:43 you know, eight out of ten people are deficient magnesium. 11:45 And that just has not been my experience. 11:47 Yeah. That's really interesting. 11:48 I see a lot of people respond really well putting them on magnesium. 11:51 But like you said maybe the calming effect, 11:53 the effect on helping balance the glutamate to Gaba ratio in the brain, 11:57 glutamate is the the the gas pedal and theta is the brakes. 12:02 And most people, when they have inflammation, 12:04 particularly brain inflammation too much, 12:06 they have a distorted ratio, too much glutamate, not enough Gaba. 12:09 And the nervous system is overexcited and magnesium 12:13 is real powerful, calming brake like effect. 12:16 And a lot of people are noticing improvements there with improved sleep, 12:19 relaxation, better stress, resilience, things like that. 12:23 Yeah for sure. 12:24 And then on the gut too. 12:25 With constipation, a lot of people use it. 12:28 It's a negative. 12:29 Again, it's it's I look at magnesium as the almost like 12:32 a one of the antidotes for sympathetic dominance.
Common nutrient deficiencies and the role of magnesium 12:36 So when somebody is in chronic inflammation mode their, their, 12:38 their nervous system is generally 12:40 sympathetic, dominant and so magnesium can kind of help balance that. 12:44 And certainly therapeutically can be very effective. 12:47 And there's not really a great danger to using magnesium. 12:50 So I think I think if it helps a person more power to them. 12:53 But I'm always cautious in practice that we don't try to use 12:58 what I call green medicine, which is where you use supplements 13:01 to appease their symptoms without digging for why their symptoms exist. 13:07 So I'm perfectly fine with saying, yeah, take the magnesium for now 13:10 to improve your quality of life, but let's really try to understand 13:13 the deep underlying reasons as to why your problems exist, 13:16 so that you don't need to take magnesium forever for the rest of your life 13:19 in extra high doses. 13:21 Yeah, that's that's always a good idea. 13:23 Just try to find the root cause factors. 13:25 Now, when people have severely damaged gut issues, obviously 13:29 an elimination diet like you talked about is key. 13:31 What are some of the key supplements that you see that, that help 13:35 support people healing their gut? 13:38 My favorite for that really, honestly is vitamin C. 13:41 And there's some there's some pretty good research on, 13:44 celiac not not fully seeing a resolution of inflammation. 13:50 And less vitamin C is used. 13:52 I've used vitamin C for 20 years in practice, 13:55 and I just see it do fantastic things for people. 13:58 We actually have a vitamin C 13:59 flush protocol that we put people through where we're giving them, 14:03 approximately six grams of vitamin C every 15 minutes to flush out the bowel. 14:07 Then that's just to saturate their system with vitamin C. 14:10 And then once we do that, we keep them on five grams of vitamin 14:13 C daily to, to just keep that, to keep that going. 14:17 And vitamin C, it's amazing. 14:18 It's you asked about deficiencies earlier. 14:20 It's s in the top ten. 14:22 And I see quite a bit of scurvy actually in my practice. 14:25 Like, you know, we always hear about there's 14:27 no such thing as scurvy people don't, you know, not in the modern world. 14:30 I bet you I see 20% of the people walking through the door having, 14:34 low vitamin C and and in low, because we measure it two ways, 14:38 we measure it intracellular early, 14:39 but we also measure it in the, in the serum, in the plasma. 14:43 And we find that a lot of people are below the threshold in the, in the blood 14:47 for vitamin C is 0.2. 14:48 And I find people all the time with undetectable levels. 14:52 And then when you match their symptoms to, to scurvy, it's like textbook. 14:56 It's not like it's not like scurvy. 14:58 Like they're losing their mind. 15:00 They're going crazy in their teeth or falling out scurvy. 15:02 But it's like muscle pain, muscle aches. 15:05 Gums are bleeding all the time. 15:07 They have high anxiety. 15:09 These are these are kind of the early what would you call 15:11 subclinical or preclinical before full blown scurvy sets in. 15:15 But these people are definitely scurvy 15:17 now. Really interesting. 15:18 I haven't heard that. 15:20 I know also that you've had experience with mold, and a lot of your clients 15:23 are coming in with mold. 15:24 You personally had an experience with that, 15:26 and you're actually working 15:26 on a documentary series right now all about mold. 15:30 So let's go into that. 15:31 Let's talk about what mold, you know, where we can be exposed to mold 15:35 and then how mold, drives inflammation. 15:39 Yeah. So I mean, mold can get in. 15:41 Let's talk about environmental mold because environmental molds 15:43 and most people have heard of black mold and as the bad mold. 15:46 Right. 15:47 But there are other environmental molds 15:48 beyond even sticky botrytis which is black mold. 15:53 Aspergillus, Penicillium, Fusarium 15:55 or cerium are or other types of mold 15:58 that produce different types of toxins that can make people very sick. 16:02 A lot of these have been shown to be, inhibitory of DNA, 16:07 RNA and protein synthesis. 16:08 So what happens when you're in mold is it slows down 16:12 your body's cells ability to regenerate DNA, RNA and protein. 16:16 So basically age is you. 16:17 It accelerates the aging process. 16:19 The body starts breaking down. 16:21 A lot of people in mold will 16:23 if they're trying to work out, they'll get injured very easily. 16:25 And those injuries won't heal a lot of people and mold 16:28 will develop, hormonal shifts or hormonal changes. 16:31 Men will will be more prone to hyper estrogen ism 16:35 because there's certain mold toxins that mimic estrogen. 16:38 Women will be prone to the symptoms of, estrogen dominance.
Vitamin C, scurvy, and gut healing support 16:43 And so we see this a lot already in clinical practice, right. 16:46 Even without without mold. 16:47 But these are some hallmarks of of what mold can do once 16:51 once you're in mold consistently being exposed to mycotoxins, 16:55 it can cause anything that gluten can cause. 16:57 It can cause anything that line can cause. 16:59 It can cause anything that heavy metals can cause, 17:01 because it's basically stimulating your immune system to generate 17:05 an inflammatory response, to try to help you heal and repair. 17:08 And because you're never getting out of the environment, 17:11 that immune response never really goes away. 17:13 So your immune system just stays on high alert. 17:15 It's stays in chronic activation mode. 17:18 It puts the body in a sympathetic dominant state. 17:21 And it really just makes it hard to heal and repair. 17:23 A lot of these people, 17:25 they've changed their diet like they've gone gluten free grain free. 17:29 They're you know, they're avoiding dairy. 17:31 They've been allergy tested. 17:33 They're just not finding any kind of improvements with the typical 17:36 changes that we might see a person make that recovers really well. 17:40 So if you're 17:40 if you're one of those individuals where you've worked with a functional doc 17:44 and you've done diet and lifestyle change and you're still struggling, 17:48 you really want to consider the potential that you might have. 17:51 Mold, mold exposure. 17:53 Myself, personally, I was in a house that was only two years old. 17:56 And when we when we started suspecting mold and tapped into the wall cavity, 18:00 we we measured and in some of the wall cavities, over 200,000 spores, 18:06 of different species of mold were present, in our wall cavities. 18:10 So it was it was quite a toxic environment, quite a toxic situation 18:14 that nobody, nobody really suspected until we started asking deeper questions. 18:19 Wow. Yeah. 18:20 And what percentage of of your patients are you seeing? 18:23 Mold. 18:25 Oh, man. It's a high percentage. It's. 18:27 Yeah, more than half. 18:28 I was actually what happened I was I was praying 18:32 I said, God, please quit sending chronic mold cases to me. 18:36 And because it's just a it's a tough thing and it's tough for many reasons.
Mold exposure and how it fuels inflammation 18:40 Like as a practitioner, it's 18:42 it's it's very hard to watch people go through it. 18:45 It's so I, I'm empathetic. 18:47 So I take a lot of people's energy into me. 18:50 And that's just part of that's just part of the work. Right. 18:53 But it's also very challenging sometimes to convince people 18:56 that mold is their problem. 18:58 This is part of why I love testing and being objective, because, 19:01 you can't just walk up to somebody and say, we think it's mold, 19:04 get out of your house, walk away from your house. Right? 19:06 You have to have an overwhelming amount of evidence 19:08 that it's kind of like building a court case. 19:10 You've got to have an overwhelming 19:11 amount of evidence to prosecute mold as the guilty party, 19:15 so to speak, and you're responsible for hurting the client or the patient. 19:19 So, it's just tough. 19:21 But but that was my prayer. 19:22 It was just please quit sitting and chronic mold. 19:25 And then I had mold in my house within six months. 19:28 So I think that God's answer to me was, no, we're not going to stop seeing mold. 19:32 You're going to get better at it and you're going to learn more about it. 19:35 And I'm going to put you through it to make you learn. 19:37 And that's what happened. 19:38 And so at this point, I know more about mold. 19:40 And I ever wanted to know, 19:42 and know more about architecture and more about building technology 19:45 and more about, all the things 19:47 that go into creating a mold in an environment, in a home environment. 19:51 And the alarming part about mold is we've been the builders 19:54 have been using, cheap non skilled labor to save money. 19:58 And so the infrastructure, of a lot of the newer housing developments 20:01 and things of that nature are compromised. 20:03 And so there's a huge great risk for mold to grow in homes 20:07 that probably didn't exist 30 or 40 years ago. 20:10 But it's it. We're seeing it so much more, I think. 20:13 I think mold toxicity is going to become the new gluten sensitivity 20:18 of, of the next decade, just because the problem is 20:22 pervasively getting worse, because mold grows more as time goes on. 20:26 And, what I mean by that is you could have you could have a new house 20:29 and you could have mold in that house, that the more there's a water source or a 20:35 and it doesn't have to be a running water 20:36 doesn't have to be a broken pipe, and it doesn't have to be a leaky roof. 20:39 You could just have a humidity control problem in your home and, 20:43 that humidity is a source of water. 20:45 And if you've got a chronic 20:46 source of humidity where the vapor barrier of your home is compromised, 20:50 which was my case, that mold will spontaneously continue to grow. 20:54 And the longer that problem exists, the stronger that mold gets, right? 20:59 So the more more rains that come, the more the humidity is uncontrolled, 21:03 the bigger and bigger and bigger that problem gets with time. 21:06 And so what happens is sometimes it starts out 21:08 as the small thing, but it gets bigger, bigger, bigger and bigger. 21:11 And then people start getting sicker and sicker. 21:13 And because it takes so long, 21:15 they don't even realize because there wasn't like they moved into this home 21:19 and all of a sudden they're sick from this home. 21:21 It was just that environment got more and more poisonous as time went by. 21:26 And so that's that's where model can get tricky 21:28 because you don't always suspect it. 21:30 Now some people move into a moldy environment and it's like a switch, right? 21:33 They start getting sick right away. 21:35 Maybe they move into a mold mature home where that where the mold is 21:38 already matured and it's really separating and it's really kicking out toxins. 21:41 But, it's one of those things that can happen slowly. 21:44 That's kind of the way it did in my house. 21:46 Is it in the first couple of years we lived in, it wasn't that big of a deal. 21:50 And then my family started getting sick, and then my dog died. 21:53 And then, you know, it's 21:54 just all kinds of things started happening until we we were able to figure it out. 21:59 Yeah, absolutely. 21:59 And what are what are some things outside of getting out of the house. 22:03 What what do you see? 22:04 As far as maybe nutritional supplements, strategies that people 22:07 are taking to get healthy from mold. 22:10 You can do binders to but it's it's like a stopgap. 22:14 It's not going to solve the issue. 22:15 So you could do like zeolites and charcoal activated, charcoal. 22:20 If you try to do heavy, Liberty talks vacation 22:23 through bio transformers like alpha lipoic acid and acetyl cysteine. 22:27 Glutathione own a lot of times if they're still in mold, they get worse 22:31 because as their as they're in it, they're being exposed to the toxins. 22:35 And then here you're trying to mobilize those toxins out of the body. 22:38 And the body shoves those toxins in fat cells 22:41 to to try to, you know, contain the damage. 22:44 But when you use, high dose nutrients for detox, you're mobilizing 22:49 that stuff into the blood. 22:50 Plus, you're being exposed from the environment. 22:52 So a lot of people feel really bad. 22:53 One of the hallmarks of mold toxicity, in my experience, is, 22:57 is, detox supplement intolerance. 22:59 So if people can't tolerate, you know, the methylated versions 23:03 of B vitamins or alpha lipoic acid or cysteine or glutathione, and this is a 23:07 this is a common, issue where we see mold as a, as a reason why. 23:12 So, but binders can be taken. 23:14 Usually most people tolerate those. 23:15 It's a stopgap. 23:17 Other stopgaps that I've seen work really well 23:20 when people are still in mold is the carnivore diet. 23:23 And one of the reasons why is the carnivore diet has, virtually 23:28 no mold in it. 23:29 So one of the top foods that contain mold in mycotoxins is grain. 23:33 And that's another reason why, when I wrote, I wrote my book No Grain, 23:36 No Pain. 23:36 The book title wasn't No gluten, No Pain. 23:39 It was because there's a lot of things in grain, and mold is one of them. 23:42 But carnivore diet reduces a ton of potential for mold exposure. 23:46 And so these people in mold 23:48 generally tend to do better on carnivore, even if they're still in mold. 23:52 I've got patients right now that are in mold. 23:56 They can't get out of it. 23:57 They can't afford to leave their house.
Living with mold, detox strategies, and carnivore as a stopgap 23:59 They can't afford the remediation. 24:01 We've got them on carnivore diets. 24:02 They're doing a lot better than they were not being on a carnivore diet. 24:05 And they're doing a lot better on a carnivore dive than they say they 24:08 were doing on like, a, a, 24:10 a grain free diet. 24:11 Right. 24:12 So that's something else that, that I think a lot of reasons why the carnivore 24:17 community has gotten so popular is because mold is such a big deal. 24:21 And you talk to a lot of these folks that are doing carnivore, one of the back 24:25 trends that you'll typically find is many of them are in mold. 24:29 So but but that's what a person can do if you're still in it. 24:32 So like going carnivores and potential option using binders. 24:36 But number one thing you can do is to get out of the mold. 24:39 And that sometimes can be easier said than done. 24:42 Yeah. It's great. 24:43 I look forward to seeing your docu series on that, 24:46 and that'll probably be out what end of this year and next year, 2025. 24:50 Yeah, we're we're aiming next year early next year. 24:53 Fingers crossed. 24:55 Yeah yeah for sure. 24:56 Well it's a work that needs to get out there. 24:58 Obviously a lot of people like you talked about dealing with mold issues 25:02 and you know, 25:02 depending on your level of sensitivity, some people are better at detoxing 25:06 mold than others. 25:07 This is why, you know, mold is not healthy for anybody. 25:10 But you can have, you know, husband, wife living in the same house. 25:14 Wife's got all these chronic health issues. 25:15 The husband doesn't, husband seems like everything's fine 25:18 because his body is able to detox it better than, better than his wife's. 25:22 And so her body starting to break down, although it's not healthy for him as well. 25:26 Yeah. 25:27 And it's also a dose exposure issue. Right. 25:29 Usually, usually in my experience, it's the stay at home wife. 25:33 So she's home all day. She doesn't leave home 25:35 and the husband goes off 12 hours a day is out of the house. 25:37 So she's getting double exposure. 25:39 She's probably, well, typically she weighs a lot less than him. 25:43 So there's a there's already a physical disparity between, men's capacity 25:47 to withstand chemical stressors versus women. 25:50 They're just stronger at dealing with things. 25:52 And then you add a dose exposure that's twice as long. 25:55 It's not uncommon to see women get sick first or kids or pets. 26:00 So if you're, you know, if you're in a moldy situation 26:02 or you think you might be in a moldy situation, husband may be doing just fine. 26:06 But the kids and the pets and and the wife are all, 26:10 you know, doing poorly, then you might want to suspect, you know, mold 26:14 as a potential and get a you get a good inspector to come out 26:18 and maybe do an investigation or help you do an investigation. 26:22 Yeah, really important stuff. 26:23 Well, Doctor Peters has been a great interview. 26:26 Any last words of inspiration for people? 26:28 You can, of course, go out and get his book. 26:30 No grain, no pain. 26:31 Really, really great book. 26:33 And, where can people find out more about you and how to work with you 26:36 and your team?
Where to learn more and closing remarks 26:38 Yeah, they can find us at Gluten Free society.org. 26:41 That's our our hub for all things autoimmune and diet related. 26:45 So if you want to learn more about those 26:46 to just come over, we've got a bunch of free things. 26:49 When you sign up for our newsletter we send you resources. 26:52 You can also come to us over at YouTube. 26:54 It's Doctor Peter Osborn on YouTube. 26:57 And, we do a live Q&A every Thursday. 26:59 And we do, a masterclass every Tuesday. 27:02 So anybody's welcome to come and join. 27:05 Awesome. 27:06 Well, thanks so much for your time. 27:07 Appreciate that Doctor Peter Osborne. Guys. 27:09 Check out his website. 27:10 Check out YouTube and we'll see you in a future interview. 27:13 Be blessed everybody.
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