How Health Coaching Benefits You

Sandra Scheinbaum, PhD

Well, thank you for having me. I’m very excited to talk today to this audience.

Kenneth Sharlin, MD

Coaching is something that is appreciated by functional medicine providers. In the conventional world of medicine, having a coach is not typical at all. You won’t find a coach up the road from where I work in one of the neurology clinics. Could you explain to our viewers and listeners what exactly a health coach is—a functional medicine coach?

Sandra Scheinbaum, PhD

A coach is like a stagecoach. That’s where the word coach comes from. A coach, like a stagecoach, takes you from where you are to where you want to be. What does that mean? It means that when you are working with a coach, you are in the driver’s seat. You tell the coach where you want to go. The coach will help you. They will be your guide. The basis is that, as you are on this journey, you’re the hero. What happens when a hero is on a journey? If you’ve seen so many movies where there’s a hero on a journey, they have a guide. That’s what a coach is; they’re a guide. A coach is not someone who’s going to tell you what to do. That’s what the expert does. That’s why you may have had a lot, and often you get useful education and useful advice, but sometimes you are told to do things that seem unsurmountable, or you don’t know where to begin, or you don’t know if it’s right for you. Perhaps you’ve gone to a doctor and they said you need to follow this diet or that you need to follow. You need to start moving more. What does that mean? How do you do that? Coach is going to be the listener. They take you where you are now, and they ask you questions like that about where you want to be. Based on that, based on what you are answering, they will help you set goals—goals that are realistic, achievable, and doable. The field of coaching came from psychotherapy, from humanistic psychotherapy. What does that mean? It’s not about what’s wrong with you. It’s about what’s right with you. It’s what we call client-centered, where, again, you, as the client, are in the driver’s seat. Coaches help people change when change is hard. We know that if you are newly diagnosed with Parkinson’s disease and you want a functional medicine approach, it often involves making some lifestyle changes or perhaps following a supplement regimen. that can feel difficult or sometimes overwhelming. The coach will help you get started and will make sure that you are successful by tweaking the plan and coordinating with your doctor. Now you also ask, What is functional medicine coaching? To talk about that, let’s backtrack. Health coaching is slowly making inroads into conventional medicine. It’s because there is a body of evidence. Now we have some solid research showing, or some of this is international research showing, that coaching is remarkably effective. We also have the AMA, the American Medical Association, looking at the feasibility of having reimbursable codes for insurance. When it comes to being, it’s a better matter of when, not if. Then you will see coaching exploding with health coaches in every conventional neurologist’s office. Functional medicine coaching is where a coach guides you to look at the root causes of your condition, to look at how you can implement a protocol that your functional medicine doctor may have created for you, and is your guide on that journey of root cause evidence-based personalized medicine, which is functional medicine.

Kenneth Sharlin, MD

Dr. Sandy, if I could just kind of unpack and break a couple of things down a little bit for our viewers in conversation with you, first of all, you and I have both come from a conventional background, and there must have been a shift for you. I know that patients come to me, and I say, Well, what brings you in? Even if these exact words aren’t used, it’s sort of like I want you to fix me. Did you experience that in your practice, and how does that shift happen from what the doctor or the therapist is going to sort of do for you versus how we go through that, identifying that person’s strengths to help them deal with or eliciting from them their own strategy to change?

Sandra Scheinbaum, PhD

Way back when we were talking in the late sixties or early seventies, I got my Master’s Degree in Communicative Disorders, specifically learning disabilities, and the conventional approach was that you do as many tests as possible to find out where the breakdown is occurring. For example, I took thousands of batteries from kids with suspected learning disabilities and looked at what was wrong with them. intuitively, I knew that there was something missing. In those long reports that I had to write, I always added some paragraphs about what this child’s strengths were. It doesn’t mean what his or her talents were, but what kindness, for example, curiosity. I was pulling those out and emphasizing them. Then, when I was a teacher, I did the same. When I was a psychologist, I spent many years as a health psychologist and wanted to focus on what was right as opposed to just getting the diagnosis. What type of psychotherapy are we going to refer to for medication management, for example, for major depression? I found positive psychology, which looks at how people thrive. That led to an interest in what people were doing in terms of their daily lives. Are they eating nutritious food? Are they moving? Do they have an exercise program that they’re enjoying doing? What about the stress on their lives and sleep? I started to address these factors, which then led to my curiosity about functional medicine. I was the only psychologist to be certified in functional medicine, the first class that had certification back in 2013. that inspired me to start the coaching school. Coaching does have roots in therapy, but it’s very frustrating to be in that world. In fact, I was just at a fundraising event that was a luncheon for a major hospital, and the speaker was the head of behavioral health. The whole talk was about the antidepressants and the mechanisms of action, and people at my table were saying, “Well, what about food? Does that play into it? What about anything else?” I said, “Yes, like, taking a walk has been shown to be a great antidepressant.” It is discouraging to look at where that conventional world is and how slowly things are changing.

Kenneth Sharlin, MD

Then you discovered functional medicine. I’m sure it was just a big aha moment that this must have been the framework. You were kind of looking to give structure to things you had already been gradually implementing in your own practice.

Sandra Scheinbaum, PhD

I look back and I had paper files and folders of cases, and I recently went and, because they were all so old, was discarding them safely and shredding them, and I discovered, like some of the ways that we were trained, that I was giving a Rorschach test and MMPI as the personality inventories, coming up with a diagnosis, and focusing on treatments that were all in your head as opposed to the benefit of some of the looking at what you eat and what’s the quality of your sleep. What about movement in you? What about putting all of those together, which is what functional medicine does, and creating a personalized plan? I like to think I was ahead of my time because very early on I was looking at stress and I was looking at mind-body medicine strategies for many years. I had a practice focusing on biofeedback, and I was helping teach breathing techniques, for example, years before they called it breathwork. It’s interesting to look back on some of the articles I wrote back in the seventies talking about things like stress management, and I said, “Oh, this is pretty current, even today.” It is wonderful to see how much we have grown and how many people have now discovered functional medicine. It is my goal to grow the health coaching part of functional medicine because that is where people need support. A guide through this journey back to health

Kenneth Sharlin, MD

You have been a pioneer in sort of building this army of coaches, who are then dispersed throughout the world, I imagine. If I had Parkinson’s disease, I could then find a functional medicine coaching academy-trained, certified coach who could help me on my journey.

Sandra Scheinbaum, PhD

They are listeners. What’s so wonderful about the coaching process is that people feel heard; it’s a safe space where they can feel that they are understood. We know that people will say things to their coaches that they might be reluctant to say to their doctor. They may be embarrassed, they may feel shameful, and they may be embarrassed to talk about it. “Oh, the doctor wanted me to be on all these supplements, and I just can’t afford it. With inflation, I’m on a limited income, and I’m going to make this work.” So they’re getting more stressed, and they will talk to their coach about some of these issues. The coach will then help them find workarounds or go back to the doctor. Coaches are the bridge of communication between patients and their doctors, as well as their conventional doctors. They can help them feel empowered. There’s been so much research on the effectiveness of coaching that it’s almost universal. One of the conclusions is improved self-efficacy, and that is crucial because they feel like they have some control over their destiny. The healthcare system is frustrating, especially when you are in the morass of the conventional medical world.

Kenneth Sharlin, MD

The coach is so critical, folks. One of the things I always say in my clinic is that there are so many wonderful books. I have books. Sandy has books. Dr. Mark Hyman, Dr. Terry Wahls, Dr. Perlmutter, etc. We all have written these books, and while they’re very inspirational, ultimately, books don’t necessarily transform us or lead us to a place of transformation the way that a coach can help a person do. When people say, “Well, I already know how to eat healthy; I know what I’m supposed to do in terms of exercise,” how is that going for you? Because oftentimes it’s not going in the direction we ultimately want it to go. The coach is going to elicit those strengths out of you and help you pave your own path. I love this quote from your book, where you’re quoting Wayne Dyer. Everything is either an opportunity to grow or an obstacle to keep from growing. You get to choose. Can you share with our viewers how they are not their disease and how they can begin to rewrite their story? Yes, I’m Ken Sharlin, who happens to have Parkinson’s disease rather than Parkinson’s disease having me.

Sandra Scheinbaum, PhD

Yes. It is important to see your life as a whole and to understand that this comes from formal logic. If we are something that we can say, that’s accurate because I have green eyes, I’m five feet tall, and I may be shrinking. It’s not as universal. I’m always five feet tall. But we can look at traits that are part of our being. Then we look at our totality as humans. When we have a condition, it is a part of us, but it is not all of us, and it is not all-consuming. So we can say that I live; this is who I am. I live in this location. At the moment, this is where I live. But will that be true in ten years or 20 years? Is it exactly the same? So it’s not like encompassing our being and the same thing. I have Parkinson’s. I have a condition. What else do you have? I have the ability to laugh. I have sight. I have heard, and I have taste. I have the ability to laugh, and I have the ability to feel joy. I can touch, I can move, and I can walk. If you can’t, even if you walk with assistance, this is something that you can do. If you do an assessment and you start thinking like a growing list of all the things that you have inside you and you see this as isolated, in fact, I did work for many years as a health psychologist with people in chronic pain, for example, and we would do a lot of imagery and a lot of techniques to help to wall this off and see and be in the part of you that is okay. In fact, another famous hypnotherapist, Milton Erickson, would work with people who were in severe, intractable pain and focus on getting them to rename it an itch, as opposed to focusing on it. If it’s on your right side, how can you put all of your attention on your left side and fully imagine it? There is a famous exercise where you focus all your attention on your right thumb. You close your eyes, and you feel it. You feel the blood pounding in your right thumb. Pretty soon, if you do that long enough and center your attention there, you’re going to feel that thump throbbing. 

Kenneth Sharlin, MD

It’s amazing.

Sandra Scheinbaum, PhD

10 minutes ago, you had no awareness. You weren’t focusing there, but now you’ve directed your attention there. What I would do is help people direct their attention to the part of themselves that they want to focus on, to laugh, to feel that laughter, and to get caught up in it. They’re so focused on living well with Parkinson’s because we tend to think of living well despite Parkinson’s. But it is living in the moment where you have an experience, it could be a sensory experience. You have something good to eat, and you taste it. You’re with a loved one. We both have new grandkids. That experience of just being with them and watching them—it’s just an incredible joy. For that moment, anything that you are dealing with physically or emotionally melts away because you are so there with that small child.

Kenneth Sharlin, MD

I borrowed an expression from my wife, who is also a health coach and functional medicine certified coach, and she uses the term earth journey a lot. I say that even in the face of this neurodegenerative disease, there is a place, there is room, and there is space for growth and discovery. I can quote my friend, Dr. Terri Wahls, “I don’t wish Parkinson’s or M.S. on anyone, of course. But at the same time, she will say, M.S. was the best thing that ever happened to me.” How could we possibly reframe the experience of Parkinson’s disease to make it an experience of growth, discovery, and even joy? We could even learn to laugh a little bit at our own fumbling things with Parkinson’s. It’s not something to laugh about necessarily, but this earth journey seems to me to be one in which there are so many opportunities for growth, discovery, sharing, helping others, and inspiring others. That’s where coaching goes beyond; you eat this—not that—to a much more profound experience with another human being.

Sandra Scheinbaum, PhD

Well said, because when you have a coach, you have an ally, and you also have an accountability partner who will help you stay on track. Let’s say you’ve committed to an exercise plan, but it’s hard to follow through and sustain that. A coach can help you find that why. What makes life worth living? What do you want? What is in your future? Can you imagine it? You may think well, but I don’t imagine a good future with this condition. A coach can guide you to see that, to picture laughter, and to picture joy. This has been done even with people with Alzheimer’s disease, focusing on how you can still have some quality of life. We tend to think that there’s no quality of life there. But that’s not true with interviews with people who have that diagnosis. It is that focus and also never giving up hope. Hope is the most powerful you. Years ago, the work of Bernie Siegel with breast cancer showed that hope’s character strength enhancement is strongly tied to physical and mental well-being.

Kenneth Sharlin, MD

We also see this with our ALS patients. But I must say one thing: ALS and Parkinson’s share not so much in terms of physiology or anatomy, but unlike Alzheimer’s, which is predominantly a disease of older adults, we see ALS and Parkinson’s in a lot of younger people. Young-onset Parkinson’s disease occurs before the age of 50. If you’re a man or woman in that age range, there are so many dimensions of your life that are altered in very striking ways. You’re not, for example, into intimacy. What if, as a single young adult still want to have partners in your life, Parkinson’s sufferers may have various difficulties with intimacy because of the condition? We have to learn how to manage through that. That may be less of an issue in Alzheimer’s, but it certainly can occur in Alzheimer’s. so the coach can kind of help guide you through that. Another area that I wanted to ask you about so often is that let’s say, there is a partner, and that partner is a caregiver. They’ve made a commitment through marriage or other ceremonies that they’re that person’s other person. How can a coach sort of integrate with the disease? I would say these diseases affect more than just the person who has them. There are other people. There’s the child; there’s the spouse or partner. How do you see the coach working in that context?

Sandra Scheinbaum, PhD

I’m glad you brought that up, because who cares for the caregiver? We know that, as a caregiver, you are experiencing a lot of stress. You may feel a lot of guilt like I’m not doing enough. You may neglect your own self-care because you want to be the best possible caretaker. We have a whole section where we train people to become coaches and how to care for caregivers. When you support the caregiver, everybody thrives. So they are at risk as caregivers, and just by having a conversation with a coach, giving them permission to step away, perhaps problem solve, and see how they can have their own support, they will also reveal things to a coach that they might not want to say to others, like feeling angry that this is happening in their family or being very worried about the future, about finances, or so many other issues that they may not want to discuss, and then the relationship issues. Sometimes, working together as a couple can be really important. In fact, there was just a controlled study. It was showing they were coaching. This was with type 2 diabetes, but they were looking at diet. not just coaching the individual with the condition, but bringing in a family member, a spouse, for example. It was very successful. Coaching was much more successful when they had the two of them being coached. The same would apply to Parkinson’s or other neurodegenerative conditions as well, but it is particularly important here so that caregivers feel that they are not alone and that they have some support.

Kenneth Sharlin, MD

Well, Dr. Sandra, as we start to round up our discussion today, can you tell me a little bit about if I want to seek out a coach, how I can find a coach, and what measuring stick you use to make sure that or do you recommend to make sure that this is going to be a good coach for me?

Sandra Scheinbaum, PhD

You can go to our website, functionalmedicinecoaching.org, and go to find a coach, and you can find one in your area. But most coaches work remotely, so you don’t need to go to the exact location in your area. I would say that you want to find someone who is board-certified. As a school, we are approved by the National Board for Health and Wellness Coaching, so our graduates can sit for that exam and meet other qualifications. It is important that you have a board-certified or board-certified-eligible candidate, and then it is a good match. You have a discovery session where you see, do I feel comfortable with this individual? I also want to add that we have so many students who have a calling to serve others. What brought that about? They have the condition themselves, and they want to give back. There is no better way to heal yourself than to support others. That is very therapeutic. So we have many people decide how to be a health coach so that I can give back and support others with this condition.

Kenneth Sharlin, MD

There is certification through your academy, but then they can take national boards. We want to make sure that the coach, wherever they get certified, is board-eligible or board-certified at the national level. Then, as I understand, there’s even an international board for health coaching, I believe.

Sandra Scheinbaum, PhD

That would be like, if you’re in the UK, they have an association there. I believe there’s a Canadian association as well. But the main one would be called the NBHWC. It’s the National Board for Health and Wellness Coaching, and we are an approved school or NBHWC.

Kenneth Sharlin, MD

Then you can request what we would call—maybe a discovery call or a discovery visit—to make sure that it’s going to be a good fit.

Sandra Scheinbaum, PhD

That is just, with personalized coaching and personal preference, like, who do you feel comfortable with? At the end of the day, what is most important is having a rapport with that individual.

Kenneth Sharlin, MD

As a physician, when I approach things just with my neurologist hat, it’s usually about making the diagnosis. Someone comes in to see me, and maybe they have some tremors, some shuffling gait, and a change in facial expression. This is probably Parkinson’s disease, and our Westernized medical approach is about making the diagnosis and then treating the diagnosis. That’s so important for folks who are part of this interview to understand that in coaching and functional medicine, it’s a little less about the diagnosis and a lot more about the person who happens to have the diagnosis. If you agree that while it’s important, probably for the coach to have some general knowledge about Parkinson’s disease and what sorts of challenges people can have that have Parkinson’s disease, we are all different. I always say that if there were ten people in the room with Parkinson’s, all ten of them would have a different expression of their Parkinson’s. You have to feel that that coach if you agree, is focusing on you as a person. Your belief system, those character traits, and so forth—would you agree with me on that? How could they explore that further?

Sandra Scheinbaum, PhD

100%, and it is personalized, and it’s having a sense, again, that you are not your diagnosis. Who are you as a person? What do you love? Do you love music? Do you have a sense of humor? Do you love going to movies? And what are the things that bring you joy—family, children, perhaps your work—and how can we join together? We have a partnership to help you have the best life possible. It may be offering resources and guides; it might be helping you. There are advocates. They can help you through the medical system. You may still need to rely on some conventional medical doctors, which can be very stressful when navigating the medical system. A coach can help you through that. That is another way that you can feel supported and, at the end of the day, feel heard, like you are not lost in the system. That and knowing that you have somebody in your corner who’s going to help you thrive

Kenneth Sharlin, MD

Folks who would make a difference, as is anyone who’s following this interview, who has Parkinson’s or knows someone who has Parkinson’s, know we often use medication called levodopa carbidopa to treat Parkinson’s. In my practice, even when we’re taking a functional medicine approach, it’s kind of like trying to drive a car without gas in the tank. You’ve got to have a little gas, even if you’re going to do other things to maintain your car. But my point is, if you have a coach, you’re not typically going into the coach and saying,I have some questions about how to take my levodopa carbidopa, or I think I might be having side effects from my medication. Do you have any advice for me? The coach is probably going to say that maybe that’s an important question that we can ask your doctor. But on the other hand, if they become the coach and you’re like, “My doctor wants me to do this X, Y, or Z, but I’m struggling with executing that plan that my doctor helped me create,” then the coach sort of explores that with you. We often see in our practice that the coach will defer those medical questions to the doctor or another provider, and the coach is working with you on that mental, emotional, and spiritual level, even when it comes to food. That’s functional medicine coaching. “Hey, I don’t like vegetables.” “Why don’t you like vegetables? But what is it about vegetables that you don’t like?” Rather than saying eat your vegetables, there is a very big difference there. But again, just to reassure folks that this coach is your success, your discovery coach, and your inspiration coach, and when you have the right coach, it’s down here, not just up here.

Sandra Scheinbaum, PhD

It is heart-centered communication that’s felt, contributes to thriving, and leads to transformation, both emotionally and physically. We’ve just completed a randomized controlled trial on the effects of coaching and that relationship. It doesn’t have to be a lot of sessions, either. It can be just a few sessions, and maybe then you return it another time for more if that’s what you would like. You’re in the driver’s seat when you are working with a coach. They are not telling you what to do, and that feels so empowering to know that you have those choices. That’s the conversation with the coach. They will help you weigh your decisional balance. Perhaps that drug was recommended, and you say, “No way, I’m not on medication.” The coach can sit down and help you to explore and work out problems to see, well, if you do this, then that would happen if you did this, or the consequences, and talk it out in terms of a decisional balance. But at the end of the day, knowing it’s always you who is making that decision, no one can tell you what to do.

Kenneth Sharlin, MD

Would you possibly be able to just give us, like, a quick little vignette of maybe someone you worked with or a client you’re aware of? Would that be an example of that transformation?

Sandra Scheinbaum, PhD

Sure. We have an example from the past of somebody who was told that they needed to lose weight, and they kept going to the doctor and saying,They need to lose weight. They were very resistant because they had tried so many diets, and often people gave up. They’re saying, “I’ve just done that. I’ve failed in the past. So, I’m just accepting who I am right now.” But they’re told by the doctor, and they’re overwhelmed and angry. They are never looking at it, like, “I hate being told what to do”. And then working with a coach to have a sense that it isn’t in their control, and the coach sitting down and looking at it. “Okay, well, why didn’t something work in the past, and what were your thoughts around it?” Often, it would be. Well, they would start planning, and then they would go astray, and then, “It’s all over. I failed; I might as well eat everything in sight.” It’s something they’re going to do; they tell things to the coach. That’s one example. Another would be somebody who was having issues, and they had two doctors tell them that they needed to be vegan without explaining it at all. One was a cardiologist, and one was an internist. They said, “Well, I think you should be a vegan.” This person was just like, “I don’t know. They knew what it was,” but they didn’t know what it was. Can I cheese? How long do I have to do this? The result without a coach was that they were becoming sugar eaters. They’re their idea of a vegan, ordering big bowls of pasta and then having dessert. As long as the dessert didn’t, they had to have animal fat. Well, it’s not me; I can’t. I guess it doesn’t have dairy, so it’s okay. I can have the cookie. I can have the candy because it’s vegan. The coach worked to help them provide that education. Let’s not forget that the role of a coach is important. Would you like to learn about the effects of having so much sugar? By giving them references and resources for that and then deciding that, well, maybe this isn’t right for me, they become empowered to say that there’s a different way. They started wearing a continuous glucose monitor and started to see the impact of what they were doing by becoming vegan and how they were getting worse. Then they got more information about the pros and cons of the way they were eating. They were not getting enough protein from their diet. They were protein-deprived because of this way of eating. The coach was giving them a sense in a way that they could be their advocate, that they could ask more questions of their doctors, that can feel like they that you’re in the driver’s seat, and that they didn’t have to just do what the doctor said. You just, well, he or she must know what they’re talking about. I’m going to blindly obey. That’s the success story.

Kenneth Sharlin, MD

That idea ultimately is that we’re going to stick with the things that give us the greatest joy and passion that we love doing right. There’s a movement and voice program that is well-established in Parkinson’s disease called the Lee Silverman Voice Technique. Sometimes they call it a big step, but it’s LSVT big. These are ways to implement conscious movement and conscious voice projection to improve the common symptoms of Parkinson’s. Often, they’re taught by speech therapists and physical therapists, and people can often use their insurance to get that benefit and go through the course. But they get DVDs and all this stuff. Then I will see some folks back, and sometimes they’ll say, “Well, are you doing it? Like, are you going to continue to do it?” They’re a little stuck. It’s hard.  That’s where the coach could come in. When it comes to critical things for Parkinson’s disease, how are we going to be consistent with our big-step program? How are we going to be consistent in big voice? Because maybe by having a big voice, your grandchildren are going to be able to hear what you’re saying. When we connect the love that we feel for those grandchildren with the need to project the voice, then it’s been connected. Maybe somehow it is greater than just sort of a clinical guideline or clinical advice, and then it becomes much more readily implemented.

Sandra Scheinbaum, PhD

I love that. One other thing I’d like to point out is the power of community, whereby by asking questions, people like you can get a sense of what matters most and what brings you the most joy. Often, it is being with others. So our local hospital—I’m very close to a large hospital here in the area—has programs for Parkinson’s, water therapy, and yoga movement classes specifically for Parkinson’s. I was talking to somebody in there. Her spouse had worked with a coach who encouraged him to start coming to these water classes and other classes. He had been very depressed, despondent, and newly diagnosed. 

It was therapeutic for the community to go to these programs. The movement was good, but it was the socialization that he was getting that was critical. I remember my father-in-law, who was on dialysis for years. He became so connected to the others who were getting dialysis with him that he looked forward to it. It was a social experience. They would plan outings together so that social connection can be critical, and a coach can be that person, that guide, to help people find those communities with like-minded people who are there with them going through that same journey and supporting one another. that’s important.

Kenneth Sharlin, MD

Folks here have just heard the absolute truth. Sometimes I say to my patients, “If you came to me for advice and I told you that my advice is to simply stop eating, just don’t eat right It’ll make you healthy.” They’d look at me like, “Doctor, you were absolutely out of your mind.” Take a 180 and go right out the door. But if we say, “Hey, connection is critical to thriving or having a stress resilience practice; it is as important as exercise, sleep, and nutrition,” we don’t always immediately buy into that. But Dr. Sandra Scheinbaum is sharing an experience that I too have experienced in my practice, where I’ve seen my patients thrive because they’ve sought out connection. Thank you so much. I want to make sure again that the viewers and listeners to the Parkinson’s Solutions Summit today, with our interview with Dr. Sandra Scheinbaum, CEO and founder of Functional Medicine Coaching Academy, know exactly where to go to find her trained coaches. You have a website and a search tool.

Sandra Scheinbaum, PhD

It’s functionalmedicinecoaching.org. You can go find a coach. You can also find us on Instagram as functionalmedcoach, or I am personally Dr. Sandy. I will reach out. We’d love to connect with you and support you.

Kenneth Sharlin, MD

This may be one of the best things you can do to help yourself, your Parkinson’s disease, or those you love who are affected by that condition. I want to thank you so very much for being part of the Parkinson’s Solutions Summit today and wish you all the very best.

Sandra Scheinbaum, PhD

Thank you. It’s been an honor. Thank you.