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Gregory Eckel has spent the last 20 years developing and refining his unique approach to chronic neurological conditions. In addition to his experience in clinical practice using a combination of Naturopathic and Chinese Medicine, he has a deep personal connection with chronic neurological disease since his wife Sarieah passed of... Read More
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- The 3 principles of bioenergetics.
- How to detect your energy levels so you can then correct and restore your energy
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Body As A Battery, Breathwork, Electron Potential, Energy, Energy Exchange, Energy Restoration, Food As Energy, Grounding, Healing, Mitochondria, Rejuvenation, Repair, SunlightGreg Eckel, ND, LAc
Welcome back, everybody, to the Bioenergetics Summit. You’ve got your hosts on this one, Dr. Greg Eckel and Harry Massey. And our topic is how to charge your body’s battery providing the raw fuel for healing long-term fatigue. And this comes from the maestro himself, Harry Massey. Welcome aboard. I think I’m excited for our interview here and sharing your point on bioenergetics. So as a starting spot, what are bioenergetics, and how does it relate to energy?
Harry Massey
So, you know, bioenergetics, it’s pure term. It just stands for the study of energy and living systems. I like a slightly modified version of it, which is the study, detection, and correction of energy and living systems. Because, you know, we don’t just wanna study it, we actually wanna know what’s going on in the body, and of course we wanna be able to use those answers to be able to get people better. And, you know, there’s a lot of sort of fundamental principles in bioenergetics, but I really like just three. And those three, which we’ll get into detail in a minute, is that life is an exchange of energy. And then the second one is that energy can basically be stored in the body a bit like a body battery. And the third is the fields within your body govern energy so that there is also this alternative control system to the chemical control system in the body. So I guess we’ll start with the first principle.
Greg Eckel, ND, LAc
Yeah, let’s unpack each one of those separately. So that life is an energy exchange system. So how do we exchange energy with the world around us?
Harry Massey
That is exactly it. So, you know, we’re sitting here, we’re breathing in air, or in more purely, we’re breathing in oxygen. That oxygen is a source of energy and, you know, people think all of their energy is just food, but actually most of your energy comes in your form of breath, and, obviously, it then does combine with fats and carbohydrates in the body to basically form like ATP within the mitochondria and the cells, your source of energy, so that’s one. But on that note, it’s why breathwork is actually so, so important, and so, so beneficial because actually it’s the most immediate, direct source of energy in your body, and perhaps obvious but we’ll state it. You know, if you stop breathing, you know, you die pretty quickly. If you stop drinking water, it takes a few days to die. If you eat, if you don’t eat food, you know, there’s some people who fast for a couple of months, you know, perhaps before they die.
So actually it has, you know, in effects of immediacy of importance, air is, you know, super, super important source of energy. So that’s one. The second would be sunlight. You know, we’ve got sunlight pouring through the window here. We don’t necessarily think as sun as a source of energy, but if we are looking at it from a planetary level, you know, if you took out the Sun, nothing would exist on Earth. In fact, the planet wouldn’t even exist because the planet was spun out from the Earth. And, you know, when you think about it, it’s very easy to see it in the plant kingdom, but basically a tree or a plant, it basically takes carbon out of the air ’cause it is breathing in carbon dioxide, but the source of energy that turns it into carbon in that plant is photons and basically sunlight. And you might think, okay, well that works for plants, but does it apply to animals and humans? Well, absolutely it does. You know, in a very, there’s a few ways of thinking about it, but in the summer, generally, you know, people eat lighter, they’re eating salads. Like you don’t actually need to eat as much food in the summer because there’s more ambient heat, there’s more light energy from the Sun available to you, so, you know, we’re getting a large source of our energy from light, from a more sort of physical. Sorry, anyway it’s from a more cellular biology point of view. As light enters a cell, it’s basically hitting structured water within the cell, which is H302. And what it’s doing it basically hits H302 and it’ll spin out an electron, and then that electron can be used, basically. It’s basically as a source of energy in the cell.
Then we have food. I don’t think I need to describe why food is a source of energy, it’s probably obvious. But the other source, actually, is just raw electrons from the ground. And grounding that, to be honest, like, you know, when you ground, you don’t necessarily notice a massive uprise in energy. However, there’s two places I think you do. Like one, when you swim in the sea, like the sea is such a rich source of electrons, and that’s mainly ’cause the Sun is, you know, it’s just hitting the sea all day long and it’s just so rich in electrons, and you feel really, really good when you swim in the sea. Or the other is like a more direct thing that you can get things like ozone steam tents, or actually you can, you know, put ozone in an IV, and all these other things. The ozone is like the most, it’s the most ridiculously rich source of electrons, and you really, really feel that energy. And so, fundamentally, and from a healing point of view, you know, if your energy levels are low, basically, you know, you feel bad, you end up getting disease.
And there’s some research that shows, like when you look at the electron potential across the cell membrane, when like the optima I think is when the voltage is 250 millivolts, like if it’s below 50 millivolts that’s basically cancer. Most other diseases fit between 50 and 100 millivolts, you know, and upwards from a hundred onwards. You know, well, like 100 to 200, you can be, you don’t necessarily have a disease, but you could be feeling a bit tired. When it’s getting, you know, above 200, 250, that’s optimal performance. You’ve just got energy on tap all day.
So yeah, as a principal, like we really wanna get those energy reserves up, and just have all that energy available. Because if you’ve got more energy available than you actually need in the day, your body will basically send that energy into repair, into healing, and you won’t, you know, you don’t manifest disease. So, you know, it’s a, yeah, it’s a very fundamental principle of bioenergetics that we wanna get your energy levels up, and keep them up. And I’m sure, well, let me ask you, like from a Chinese perspective, you know, how does that apply, I guess, to like Qi, kidney, Jing essence, all of that type of stuff.
Greg Eckel, ND, LAc
Right? I mean, that’s, we come in with postnatal Qi, or prenatal Qi, what our parents gave us energetically, and then postnatal Qi of what we put in, which is all of the facets that you just talked about there that create the Qi, or the energy. Jing essence is that fire, it’s called from the Ming Men fire, the spot between the kidneys of it is the essence of life and the body. Well, there are a lot of things that feed into that essence. I love the conversation…
Harry Massey
Water, right?
Greg Eckel, ND, LAc
Yeah.
Harry Massey
That’s, well, it’s interesting ’cause kidneys is like the water element.
Greg Eckel, ND, LAc
The water element. Yeah.
Harry Massey
And, you know, structured water in the body, or more specifically in the cell, that really is how this, I call it the body battery mechanism, but that’s really how it’s working because you wanna build up that, the charge in the cell.
Greg Eckel, ND, LAc
Yeah. And so having that, you know, that Ming Men fire then percolates the water throughout the body and that creates the Qi flow, and then essence, and blood. And so that is on a health promoting component. I really like that the concept of sun, people don’t really get that as far as the energy from source is, you know, you said it, without the Sun, nothing is happening. The show stops. And it is, we are eating sun energy. Like we’re breathing, you know…
Harry Massey
I know, I mean, plants, all food really is like frozen light in a…
Greg Eckel, ND, LAc
Yeah.
Harry Massey
I mean, I think, I see it as frozen light.
Greg Eckel, ND, LAc
Love it. Well, all right. So that’s the first component on life is an energy exchange system. So the second one that you packaged there was the body is a battery. So what do you mean by that?
Harry Massey
Oh, well, it’s really an extension of this idea. So, you know, you’ve got, you’ve basically got structured water in the cell. It’s basically creating a potential from light, from food, maybe from Earth’s electrons if you’re grounding. Now, some people’s batteries, like if you allow your energy to get too low, over too long a period, you basically start sort of like, it’s a bit like a battery going dead. And, you know, it’s, you sort of ruin the batteries potential for generating charge. And so, yeah, really, it literally is, the body literally is like a battery. And the whole goal is to get your energy level up. Not to use it too quickly. And, you know, it’s a very simple principle of healing.
Like, you know, we go about our day to day lives. You and me get quite a lot done each day. You know, we have a lot of work to do. We do a certain amount of exercise and all of this stuff. Now, if our energy level, well, so we are using all of this energy each day to stay alive, do all the things that we’re doing. But if we allow that energy level to get too low, or below a sort of a fundamental base level, there’s no energy available for basically restoration, rejuvenation, repair, or you could just rattle that up into the word healing. And, you know, that’s just so core. So when we say the body’s a battery, what we really want to think about is like, okay, well, how do we make sure that we’re got enough? Well, A, that we’re exchanging enough energy of our environment to recharge that body battery. B, in how we’re spending it, we wanna make sure we’re not spending too much energy.
You know, and C, we wanna make sure that there’s a good storage of energy. I guess, D actually, you wanna direct that energy to what you wanna direct with. So, yes. And like in, you know, and the things that actually burn up energy the most is generally actually just stress. So like if you’re looking at your emotions, and you’re getting angry of your partner, or you’re getting over anxious about the future, and you’re overthinking, you’re just burning up all this energy unnecessarily. So really, you know, one of the keys to keeping your body battery in tip-top state is really managing your emotional energy. I mean, honestly, I think that’s one of the most key things you can do.
Greg Eckel, ND, LAc
I agree. You know, in Chinese medicine and the organ networks, there is an emotion associated with each organ. And so keeping those in balance, that emotional intelligence and economy of where are you, you know, where are you gonna spend your capital, so to speak? And so many people, it’s like they just roll down their window and just like throw their capital, their cash, their energy economy, just out the window. You’d never do that with a stack of hundred dollars bills, but we do it with our emotions every day unconsciously of like reacting here and there, and getting manipulated by environment, almost a victim to circumstance, rather than in a conscious fashion. Really, where do I want that economy? Where do I want that energy to go? So I love the battery analogy there.
Harry Massey
Yeah, yeah. And it’s one of the things, you know, we’ve really been looking at how, well, you know, how you can optimize your body battery. And that’s like one of the reasons we are creating this new wearable, and that new wearable, it directly looks at your levels of emotional energy. And actually in your language, like it, we’re actually doing it across the five elements of water, fire, earth, which ones have I forgotten? Sorry, metal.
Greg Eckel, ND, LAc
Metal and wood. Yeah.
Harry Massey
And wood. Yeah. Metal and wood. And then we basically bracket them. So like wood, for example, is basically frustration to decisiveness. So if you’re very decisive, you are really efficient with your emotional energy. If you’re frustrated, you are recircling some problem in your head, and you’re never getting resolution ’cause that’s why you’re frustrated. Or, you know, there’s, so your heart is impatience to joy. It’s a lot more efficient to be in joy than, you know, impatient. And so, yeah, the way we think about it, it’s like, well, if we can give people an awareness to where their emotional energy leaks are, and then we have ways that we can talk about it in a minute, of, you know, basically how to correct and protect your emotional energy. And it really is about protecting that emotional energy. Then we can make sure your overall energy is, you know, tip-top and your battery stays, you know, three quarters to fully charged most of time.
Greg Eckel, ND, LAc
Love it. So the third component that you started at us out with here is around fields govern energy. So kind of speak into that in regards to providing the raw fuel for healing long term fatigue, and how to charge our body’s battery.
Harry Massey
So, basically, there’s generally like two systems of how energy flow, and really actually all operations in the body work. Like there’s a chemical control system, and that’s basically, you know, when like a chemical or molecule travels down your blood, hits the cell membrane, the cell reacts in a certain way to it, and it, you know, does it’s function. But there’s also a field based control system. And you might think, well, okay, I haven’t heard of that. Like, do you need one? Is that true? And, you know, I can just take through some examples of that. So the thing with a field based control system is there are many, many orders of magnitude more efficient than the chemical control system, ’cause, you know, the chemical, we could say, okay, well it’s, let’s say, you know, you’re producing fire oxygen, or you’re producing cortisol in your adrenal gland.
It has to travel through the blood, get to the the cell receptor. And basically, you know, it then does its job. Now all of that takes minutes to get from A, you know, A to B, yet, you know, if you’re in some accident, or some shock, a certain amount of information is basically communicated pretty much instantaneously. You’ll react super fast, like way faster than it would take the chemical to get there. And that’s because cells also have field based receptors. And you might think, well, you know, does that happen through the nervous system? The nervous system is fascinating because your spinal cord is whatever, so thick, but the little nerves in your finger are just like a couple of millimeters thick. They’re also, they also have, they’re also completely disjointed. Like they have like all of these chemical joints, and then it, you know, then it goes back to an electrical conductor. Long and short of it, your nervous system operates at completely different speeds. Some parts really slow, some parts are relatively quick. Again, it doesn’t actually explain how you can communicate to the whole body, but if you look at it from this other, but if you look at the nervous system as setting up a field, and information just transfers over the top. Like no different to, you know, our cell phone is communicating to a tower. This is producing a field, the towers producing a field, but information carries pretty, you know, it’s not quite instantaneous, but it’s super quick.
Greg Eckel, ND, LAc
Pretty close. Yeah.
Harry Massey
The nervous system is like in a similar manner, the heart will produce, I mean, the heart produces a very, very large magnetic field, it produces sound waves. But long and short, in all these different organs in the body, well, including the cell, like we just, earlier we talked about the cell membrane, you know, 200 to 250 millivolt potential when you’re healthy. That’s also a little field. And if you add all those cells together, you know, you get bigger fields for all of your organs. But long and short, there’s this field based control system in the body. And, you know, really the next sort of question, or thing from that is, okay, like how do we optimize that, and what does it do? And from a control system point of view, we just want energy to be as efficient as possible. Like you just want energy to flow easily.
You want information to like, you know, if I’m speaking to you, you wanna understand my words perfectly, and we don’t want the information distorted in any way. And again, you know, what happens in disease, like when that body battery gets so low over a period, things start to break down, and like cancers the ultimate breakdown of a control system. You know, when a control system breaks down, unfortunately the communication system, it basically goes wonky. It gets distorted, and things don’t do what they’re meant to do. And that’s basically the, you know, the other label is disease. I mean, that truly is illness because all of your cells, different functions, are not doing what they’re meant, you know, what they’re meant to be doing. Despite, you could argue, you know, the chemistry being in there and chemicals getting to the cells. Unfortunately, because the field based control system is broken down, it just doesn’t work properly. So, you know, that’s a really key thing that bioenergetics is concerned with. And actually, it’s, you know, it’s part of the research that’s been done at University of San Diego.
It’s like, we’re looking at like, well, how does cellular communication work? What effects happen from field based communication? You know, with, I think that’s the subject of another, it is the subject of another of these talks, I won’t talk about it now. But yes, anyway, that’s really one of the big points of what bioenergetics is trying to help people do, or is helping people do, is make that energetic control system more efficient because if energy flows more efficient in your body, guess what? You don’t draw as much power. And if you’re not drawing as much power, the battery is less likely to go flat. So that, anyway, that’s really the name of the game.
Greg Eckel, ND, LAc
So speaking of that, so right, we’re not draining the battery, we’re not flattening the battery. How can you tell what your energy levels are? Because so many of us will just go and deplete the battery without even realizing until we’ve gone past the point of no return where it’s like the system just shuts us down. So how can you tell what your energy levels are? Besides just, I have enough energy on a scale of zero to 10 for the day. Are there ways that you can measure?
Harry Massey
I mean, there’s a few ways. I mean, one within that, we’re blowing, we already talked about the, you know, how it’s measuring emotions, but it’s actually measuring if you like the energy levels to those five elements. And we did that based on a TCM pulse diagnosis. So we basically worked out algorithms that, don’t wanna say will replace you, Greg, but you know what I mean?
Greg Eckel, ND, LAc
Well, I mean, honestly, I will admit, so in the time of C0V!D of looking to get into folks living rooms, not in a creepy way, but in a healing fashion, I’ve had a chance to play with this. And, you know, I have 25 years of pulse diagnosis where I had to go around the globe, Harry, and study with masters. Like, it takes time. You know, you’re taking pulses. And then here you come up with this device, and I’m correlating it to my pulse taking, and, I mean, I have to say, it’s actually doing a better job. So while I know I’m irreplaceable, I’m okay with that.
Harry Massey
While your, it’s your knowledge is not replaceable, but…
Greg Eckel, ND, LAc
But it’s really nice.
Harry Massey
The technology can read a pulse.
Greg Eckel, ND, LAc
It is really nice, and it’s very accurate. So I love that you have developed that.
Harry Massey
Yeah. I mean, that’s one way. I mean, you know, there’s a lot of work in, well, sorry, there’s a lot of devices that use heart rate variability, although, you know, admittedly, me and Greg truthfully have slightly low HRV, but that’s not such a problem. But anyway, but generally if people’s HRV, it declines for a day, that generally means they’ve been using up a bit too much energy and they have to replenish it. What else was I gonna say? Oh, but you can also look at, but you can also look at the energy and the priority of like different organ systems, different meridians in the body. That’s not through the wearable, like we, well, in our previous company, which is NES, which is still around, that analyzes like the energy of the organ systems, meridians, terrain, mind, body correlations. So you can look at energy from that point of view. And that’s more to like work out which areas in that energetic control system are distorted, you know, broken down, just not working optimally, so that we can then basically focus a therapy to correct it.
Greg Eckel, ND, LAc
So that’s measurement. And that’s, there’s a lot of different ways of measuring. How do you correct and restore your energy levels then?
Harry Massey
So like within that energetic, well, so the whole thing is to basically correct the energetic control systems, the energy flows more freely, and then we can recharge the body battery from that. In our world, it’s basically, yeah, we’ve got three ways of doing it. As we were talking about the wearable, I’ll start there. So the wearable can put in bi-signatures. It’s basically putting in that, like the field based information directly into your body, basically to literally just to correct that energetic control system. We’re playing with, actually, well, I say we’re playing with, but it’s, anyway, it’s within actually the Energy4Life wearable as well. You can also do it through a conditioned response.
So you can program your brain through specific meditations that are personalized from the actual readings, and then it will basically condition your autonomic nervous system to remember the effect of the meditation. So that when it just gives a little signal into the body, your body’s nervous system, it basically remembers the effect from the meditation like, not unconsciously, sorry, subconsciously. That’s one way. In our NES world, we do offer these things called an Infoceutical where we’ve imprinted that information just directly into the body.
So you can put like the optimal blueprint of how a kidney or a liver functions, record that information, basically into structured water. And then when you take that, your body, or your body field, recognizes that information, and it’s like, oh, I’m meant to be like that. And so then it ends up sending resources to heal that particular, oh, I shouldn’t say that word, but to, you know, to trigger a response back in that particular organ, or meridian, or area. And these are the things that have been like researched at the University of San Diego, which I’m sure somewhere in this summit you can download like our research paper. And…
Greg Eckel, ND, LAc
And I also interviewed Dr. Hamel Patel with some really riveting, recent findings out of the research. So you can look up that interview too.
Harry Massey
Yeah. Perfect. Perfect. And then the fourth way, I think we’re on four, so we have another device, which I don’t think I’ve got on me called a Mihealth. And that basically uses like a, well, it basically is put the information into an electromagnetic signal so that you can directly place it on a particular part of the body that whether, you know, whether your control system is being distorted. And, you know, it’s a bit more like where an Infoceutical, we’ve made 72 different ones for different parts of the body. With a device, you can like go directly on the spot. You can also actually put energy directly into an area of the body. And then because it’s got the informational blueprint of how that part of the body should, you know, work properly, it’s like a little, it’s a bit more direct. So it’s really useful when people have like scarring or pain in a particular body. Like, you know, you can go direct on the spot. And Infoceuticals are more sort of, I guess, better in the sort of bigger general picture.
Greg Eckel, ND, LAc
Lovely. So how can one learn more and apply this knowledge? ‘Cause this is an intricate system you’ve got it explained really in a comprehensive, comprehensible way. Where do people go to plug into this?
Harry Massey
You know, so two main places, so one on NEShealth.com, and there, depending like if you actually wanna learn and become a bioenergetic health coach, like you can do that there. So that’s the way to get like the most fully comprehensive like version of this. Or if you’re, you know, if you’re a patient or a client, you just wanna see a practitioner, number one, I honestly recommend going to Greg. And what’s your website, Greg?
Greg Eckel, ND, LAc
Bvitalpc.com is where I will direct folks. Yeah.
Harry Massey
Yeah. So go there. If like, if Greg is too busy or something like that, we also have, I don’t know what we’ve got, I think we’ve got 1,500 practitioners around the globe and in the states. So you can just use a practitioner location on that website. And you can do a, you can basically do a remote scan, so you don’t actually have to visit in person. That’s the same with you, Greg, right? One of your coaches can do it remotely.
Greg Eckel, ND, LAc
Yeah. We are global at this point on the coaching front, and we’ve got the pandemic actually to thank for that so we can see you right where you’re at.
Harry Massey
Yes. Perfect. And then what else? Oh, the wearable. So the wearable basically go to energy4life.com and, you know, there also will be a special like webinar recording about the wearable as well.
Greg Eckel, ND, LAc
Lovely. And I love to finish with that of putting people into action at each of the interviews during the summit. So I really appreciate that, Harry.
Harry Massey
Brilliant. Well, thank you. What a good interview.
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