Overcome the Survival Paradox and Unleash Your Deepest Healing

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Yeah, thank you so much for having me and in such an important topic. Building an interest in integrative medicine and healing from a very early age, I’m a native of Israel and my father was a civil engineer and he worked in developing countries. So I grew up in Africa, in Ghana and Brazil. And at the age 15, we traveled to South Korea where I got exposed to taekwondo. I was very fortunate the national team of Korea, which at that time was the world champions because taekwondo was mainly in Korea, had to learn English. So I got to train with really with the best taekwondo masters and with yoga teachers. And on the weekend, we would go to Buddhist temples. So I got the Eastern culture got suffused into me, and this is early ’70s when it wasn’t this popular. So when I went to medical school I was already a yoga teacher, yoga instructor. I went to yoga teacher’s course. So I went through in Israel through the seven years medical school, six years plus residency, while knowing that I’m actually going to do something very different. So I became a yoga teacher. I learned shiatsu. I created a three year course in acupuncture and Western allopathy. Now when I graduated from medical school and finished my internship I got licensed. I came to the US where I did my Masters of Science in Chinese Medicine, became a licensed acupuncturist, and then stayed in this country with my life partner Dilly and our two daughters. 

And I specialized first as an acupuncturist. I got my medical license a little bit later on in 2000, and I specialized in integrative oncology and also in treating meditation masters all over the world in United States and in Asia. I spent a lot of time meditating. And when I say a lot of time, I probably would’ve never even think about doing it again for 10 years, half a day, every day. And for 20 years, two months to three months a year, I would just go to the mountains. So I developed a certain appreciation and insight into how our mind works and how it affects our body, and that’s my big passion. And it was translated into my healing work, and in the same time as you know, I’m a very active researcher with published papers, with Harvard, did research with Columbia, with multiple leading institutes and NIH grants for my work. A lot of it around galectin-3 and all of this consolidated into this simple concept of “The Survival Paradox,” which is really the name of my book where I really offer a deep understanding of a new paradigm into what really drives our aging, what drives chronic disease, which is really our survival drives. And of course it’s intriguing when you hear it, but it actually relates to path electromagnetic fields. Because when we are connecting with our fields, we relax, we open up. 

When we are in a survival drive, we going to crisis. Survival drive is a state of crisis. It means it’s a built in within us. So every cell in our body, every tissue, us as human beings, societies, countries, the world is in a survival mode. And so understanding it is realizing, wow, what makes us stay alive, it actually, what makes us sick. What shortens our life, what causes chronic diseases, what drives sepsis, this is a cytokine storm. It’s when a cell doesn’t wanna let go. So the process and this of course lend itself to the understanding of letting go is the process of healing, which over our conversation you and I can elaborate and kind of have a joint discussion of what it means when the energy is balanced out. It’s really an evening of pressure, it’s evening of this drive and just letting go. So, really is a healing process on a physical level, on an emotional level, on a psychospiritual level, is letting go process by getting in touch with the infinite spaciousness and the inner connectivity between us, which is really why the most important electromagnetic field is electromagnetic field of the heart. And then we realize this and realize, wow, we are all connected through our heart. So this is on a more spiritual level psycho-spiritual, but that’s where healing happens. But on a physical level, the survival drive is driven automatically by the sympathetic nervous system, biochemically by a protein called galectin-3. 

So it’s interesting for me while I was recognizing this through meditation, through being by myself in very remote area in nature, like literally if something happened to me, nobody would find me, I’d kind of crazy. But in the same time, I happen to stumble about on the protein that drives the isolation by creating this biofilm, this separation, this micro environment that we really wanna break down in every possible way, and pulsed electromagnetic field is one of the ways, it’s just by dissolving the hardness because when things are steep, it doesn’t flow, which is completely contrary to electromagnetic field that comes and goes and comes and goes, right. It creates a rhythm. And when we are stiff, when we hold, when we survive, when we contract, we lose our rhythm. And so now, with decades of clinical experience and of course I’m a hands on clinician and healer, I teach healing, I see patients all the time, I’m really, I have this passion of sharing this with people and offering them different ways of addressing it. And I’m very excited about the, is it two interviews I’m gonna have with you. We have so much to talk about and we share our love for energy medicine and realizing, wow, Yeah, if we just go into the flow, right everything is possible.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Well, it’s interesting that you us because that’s what’s also interesting about this is electromagnetic fields, are actually the second force of the universe. The first force is called a strong force and that’s at the atomic level. The second force is called the weak force. The third is gravity, but gravity tends to be more isolated and is obviously pretty strong, but it’s isolated. But the second force is the biggest force of the universe, and that’s the electromagnetic force. So electro and magnetic cannot be separated, they are hand and glove together. you have electrical, you have magnetic the magnetic gets influence is electrical. So the biggest force in the universe talk about the heart. The biggest force of the universe is the electromagnetic force.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Right, it’s really fascinating the electromagnetic field of the heart resemble the electromagnetic field of much larger structures. What people don’t realize is that the electromagnetic field of the heart is a hundred times bigger than the electromagnetic field of the brain. So in fact, every second our heart is touching every single cell in our body, and is touching people around us, that’s amazing.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

And in fact actually, we have something in our bodies called magnetite. And every cell in the body has magnetite. So magnetite is a magnetic, basically a magnetic crystal. It’s like a tuning fork inside every cell of our body and our brains have hundreds of million, billions actually, of these magnetite crystals. So in all of our body, we have this magnetite and the magnetite interacts with our electrical fields and like a radio, a transmitter radio, like a crystal radio, what does it do? It not only broadcasts as you were saying, but it also receives, so it’s a receiver and a broadcaster. It’s a tuner as well as a broadcaster.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Of course, of course, that’s a very basic process because, it’s really, it’s remarkable because we know that for a cell to function well it needs to have a membrane potential. It has to have this electric difference, it’s the basis of health, right? We learn it in medical school, right. With the sodium pump, potassium pump, et cetera. But it’s very fundamental to the survival of the cell where a cell wants to take in what’s good for it. And it lets go of what it doesn’t wanna do, of toxins. So-

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Or wait, yeah

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Detoxification and the the heart is a balancing egg because the heart is the only organ in the body who takes in all the dirty blood from everybody. Whatever each cell doesn’t want, goes into the heart. The heart connects with the universe, which is the greatest equalizer, right. And then gives clean blood all over the body. So it’s fascinating for me as a mind body practitioner and somebody who is in tuned with our, with his body. Some people are visual, I’m tactile. I’ve always been tactile. Like I don’t see as well like different phenomena, now a little bit more, but I feel something like, I hold somebody’s finger I know where there is no pain. But I kind of, when I like just now I was a few days ago, I was lying down, I was feeling the difference between my lungs and how it’s balancing out. And I told, said, wow, I’m in my 60s. I’ve been doing it since my teens, and I’m discovering new things now, how did it take such a long time? It’s such an unfolding experience and it relates to our connectivity with energies within us, without us, out of us and yeah, it’s what makes life and healing so fascinating.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

So even down from the cellular level, the cells breathe in and they breathe out at the cellular level. As you said, the cell membrane, right? That allows the cell that you said to take in energy, to use it and there’s waste associated with it. So you get rid of the waste. So breathe in and breathe out, breathe in, breathe out.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Literally, that’s really the value of Cranial Sacra, is that Cranial sacra, the inter situation movement is a movement that goes all the way to the cells. And I mean, PNF per se is not my specialty, but the real change happens when we don’t do anything, when we just allow things to unfold. So for example, as practitioners, we want to do things. But sometime when I teach, I show people, see, I’m not doing anything, nothing. I’m not moving my hands. I’m just opening my mind and my heart and everything is happening faster than it would be when we try. Because when we try, we put effort. When we put effort, we contract and when we contract, we lose the flow. So one of our responsibilities for healing is to recreate the flow, and in this sense, you can already see in people who are listening, you can see the meditatives energetic qualities, but we also have to allow the body to communicate together and that’s where galectin-3 as a survival protein, because it carries all this inflammatory, hyper viscosity, sticky molecules like integrins. So they go with this protein to different inflammatory area. Galactin-3 drop them there, they stick the cell, they create a micro environment. You no longer can penetrate, it’s like you’re trying to go through the wall. It’s much better to find the door.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

A shell.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Yeah, so that’s a value, for example of body effect introspecting as a fundamental supplement because it dissolves the hardness and yeah, it’s the beauty of energy. It’s like the into it, you integrate energetic things. It’s like, it’s very powerful. There’s so much we can talk about in this level.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Let’s spell galectin-3.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

So, galectin-3 is what I called our survival protein, but it really doesn’t, it sounds good, but it’s not. Is our survival protein, in our embryogenesis when we are in uterine, when our mother’s uterus, it helps to, cells to develop inside the cells. As part of being a survival driver, it goes and repairs any injuries and it repairs by creating inflammation and by creating fibrosis. And this is, and eventually it’ll create organ dysfunction. And that’s where you see galectin-3, really, if you look galectin-3 research which is close to 10,000 papers by now, it spends every disease. It’s like, wow, how is it possible if you look even in the research on PectaSol, which is now at about 80 published papers, you’ll see on MCP you will see, on my MCP research on cancer, on heavy metals, on immunity and chronic kidney disease, on acute kidney disease, on sepsis, it’s really because galectin-3 is this upstream protein that start the cascade of the cytokine storm start the cascade of inflammation, the cascade of the fire that burns, either burns or makes everything hard, hard and dysfunctional. And the idea is to dissolve this hardness on a biochemical level by dissolving galectin-3. On an energetic level, by going back to our rhythm, by connecting, you can say with this very deep force, if it’s a gravitational force. One of our biggest challenges is people, is that we constantly have to fight gravitation when we stand up, when we move. And when I teach meditation, one of the big things that I teach is just let go of this fight. And then once you let go, actually, you don’t collapse.
Out of it you get a rising energy, out of this very deep relaxation. So, some of this healing, like when I do guided healing, when people are lying down and I let them really relax and suddenly they can feel the movement in their body. So, I can only imagine, and this is your expertise. When you put the right metrics under it that balances the frequencies, you’re gonna speed the healing process. But in the same time, the person themselves has this opportunity to just let go, let go, let go. And there is never too much letting go. There’s never too much of an open heart. Like Dalai Lama says, you can’t be too compassionate. You can’t be too loving. It always unfolds, unfolds, same thing with the opening. So it’s interesting as the healing process, we get attached, we have a version to symptom that we don’t like, and we get attached to amazing experiences. But anything that we all do, creates contraction. If you look think about entropy, everything’s going, just expanding, expanding, expanding. The moment you hold, you limit the possibility. And that’s why one of my favorite sayings is, not everybody would be a miracle, but anyone can be a miracle because everything is changeable. And I think with little bit experience I had with PEMF, with the connection with energy medicine, especially if we put the heart into it and we melt the ice, we don’t just cut it with the heat and love for out. Everything is possible, it’s like amazing. Like you, when you lie down and you just feel this connectivity with what’s going in, which what’s going out and makes life exciting.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

That brings an idea to me as well, that we’re a soul, right. A spiritual being with a body. What we do is we forget that we are a spiritual being. ‘Cause that sense is basically drive our beingness in many ways, right?

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Right.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

And so once we let go of that, once we connect with that spirit level of us, of who we are, then the body, the spirit takes care of the body.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Right.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

I remember reading Don won the, right, the books by Don Juan.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Yeah, I also remember.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

And he talked about his mentor saying, I can change my body. And he didn’t, Carlos Castaneda did not believe that, right. So he said, oh, come I’ll show you. So his mentor, Don Juan walked away for about an hour or two hours. And he came back and Carlos did not recognize him. He was old, he didn’t recognize him. He was expecting some younger person, but he looked old. So he changed his appearance, he changed the way he was. I really read good actors do the same thing, right? Go and meditate, they become something else.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Yeah, and well this is a principle of changeability. And it’s very, it’s the key of feeling, I was talking earlier today about detoxification, which is a necessary part. Like you were talking is the exhalation of the cells, right, the letting go of the cells. So it’s the exhalation is a letting go process. The lungs, if we didn’t have voluntary muscles, the lungs would collapse, right? We would exhale. The exhalation is a natural movement of letting go. We come to this world, the first thing we do is we exhale, we cry. The last thing we do in this world, is we exhale. If you’ve ever been with people who have been with a dying person, it’s a profound experience, right? It’s the same person, and one last exhalation and everything is different. Why there’s no more movement, there’s no more flow. So in this sense, it’s very important to recognize this. So we naturally as part of our survival drive, which is really do comes from, and this even in the book, I just started the end because it’s another book that is written, but I haven’t published called “Open Heart Medicine.” The reason why we have this innate survival drug that we don’t know how to get out of, and this is really our life journey like Judaism, they call it the tikkun, the fixing in the heart, is that we lost the ability to let go, to recognize that everything is changing, but nothing stays the same. We are not the same now like we were. If an hour ago, we got to know each other, we are interacting with new ideas. We’re gonna work out on these different people. We hold, the moment we hold, we limit the change. 

So anything that can break habits, anything that can break stiffness, if you think about it, when we get things accumulating, instead of flowing, you can get an arteriosclerosis blood, you can get hyper viscosity in the blood. And what happen when you have a bunch of cells accumulating when you don’t need them, and then they hold to each other and they become aggressive you get cancer. So it’s really about healing is a letting go process. And it has, it has two parts. It has the openness part and it has the heart part and the love and compassion part that is built within us because the heart is built to give. And in this sense, the electromagnetic field plays a huge role because it provide us, we all are in this field. We are all in the same boat, so we can say we are all in the same boat in that everything changes for all of us, but we are really, we are in this field together. And the more we can create harmony in the field within us, it’ll affect us in the outside, look what’s happening to the world, right? And the more we create harmony outside, it’ll affect us, we can feel it when we go to a powerful place in nature which is very clean and very pristine affect our being, or we walk bare foot, right. And you can feel the energy of the earth and you can connect with this powerful field. So yeah, it’s a, we are kind of shifting away from it.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

We’ve shifted away from it from a lot, we’re too busy.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Exactly.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

That’s one of the main components of this, we’re too busy. We’re surrounded, we’re captured all the time by TV, by radio. I have people, I know people who are constantly bombarding themselves, constantly. And if it’s not the television, it’s their iPhones, it’s the music, it’s wherever, they have no rest, they have no time down.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Yeah, and it’s part of our society. I look at my life, I mean, I have a cell phone, but I didn’t have a smartphone until 2011. And I would go to the mountain for two months and I had a busy practice, but as my nurse practitioner would take care of it and I would be in areas with no reception. So I would’ve a satellite phone, and once every three weeks there would be a set up time. I would walk to the peak of the mountain, in the winter, in the snow where I knew I had reception and I’ll call and I’ll get updates and I’ll give answers and then I’ll disconnect the phone and go back. And these days, I even can’t think about it. We are so bombarded, but I want to emphasize, there is a certain advantage about it. It is very important. We talked about the survival paradox and the balance between the sympathetic system that fight or runs away and the parasympathetic system that balances things out. So, when we are so busy, we naturally, the parasympathetic system is trying to help. So it creates more receptors and more ability to relax. And that’s why you can see people now changing if they take one day off, because the contrast between one day off and being busy all the time is so big. When you are relaxed anyway, you need a lot of time off to really feel the difference. So, it’s a very important principle. So right now, this very concentrated intensity also allows us to change and heal in an intense manner. Where we’ve adapted, I often say, when I teach that if you brought a yogi from the Himalayas, and you drop them in a-

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

New York city.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

New York city, they would get a heart attack in five minutes. They just wouldn’t be able to hold the intensity because of the receptors, definitely.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Yeah, I think you’re right. I think we adapt to it. We have to, that’s another survival mechanism, isn’t it?

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Right, so yeah, this is a different time and in this sense, anything that it can connect us to this very vast field that are bigger than us, and it can be on a energy level, it can be on a physical level, and it can be on a mind level, in certain tradition, let’s say in the Buddhist tradition. Buddhism talked about body, speech and mind, and each one becomes more and more subtle. So you are talking about your work and basic energies in the universe. Well, these are energetic qualities that you have, you either can get in tuned rings, ride wheel, or you have a device that helps to get in tuned with. Certain people are very physical. I don’t see it, I don’t believe it. And so you can see it in the way people exercise. People go to the gym and put headset and listen to music, anything to distract the mind. And it’s very competitive, it’s good. They’re still getting cardiovascular and people will do tai chi, do chi gong, use PEMF, use acupuncture, and then people who just feel how when their mind and how it’s opens everything changes. So the most subtle it is, the more powerful it is, but also the harder to-

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Is to achieve, to hold

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

and to achieve. And it’s a process of really of letting go, letting go, letting go. It’s healing is about, instead of holding like this, healing is just letting go, that’s it.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

A lot, it’s a lifetime and for some people it would say it’s more than a lifetime. We come in in different places. But it’s very interesting because we have our aging body, physically, aging brain in one level, yet we have our evolving wisdom. It’s very interesting. And the process is not a process of forgetting like of dementia or Alzheimer. It’s a process of unlearning. So we learn, we learn, we learn, right? And then we just let go. We let go of the information. And then the undercurrent, the deep insight starts coming, apple coming from above. It doesn’t matter each one or however they do it. And yeah, it what makes life so exciting, it’s so, and also empowering. ‘Cause one of the big things is they also emphasizing in the book, is the way I work with people is not about healing other people. Yeah, I can do it, I’m pretty good at it. I mean, some people are better, but I’m considering myself pretty good healer, but it’s about empowering people to heal themselves, right? Empowering people to connect, and in this sense, everything goes. If it’s sort of exercise or diet or supplement or PEMF, anything that connects you with something that is bigger than you, that can really change the outcome. Because as long as things are changing, everything is possible, truly is. It’s amazing.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

What I, sometimes when I meditate, I feel resistance. Is I don’t feel, sometimes when I meditate, it doesn’t feel as good. And what I found over time when I’m meditating, if that happens, that’s where I relate to what you were saying about the influence on you with the world around you. What I found out in those days where I meditate that way, and I feel that kind of pressure. And I go about my day, all kinds of havoc breaks loose in that day. Not necessarily with me, but people around me. Or in the news or in the a city or a bombing or a war breaks out, whatever, something else happens on a bigger scale other than just myself.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Yeah, it’s fascinating. We are in tuned and yeah, meditation is a very, it’s a huge topic. It’s not necessarily the topic of the day, but meditation is really not what you experience. Meditation it’s commonly done this way and mindfulness has become very popular and very helpful. But mindfulness is an effort for meditation because we are mindful of something. Meditation is accepting anything that you experience. When you have a, so you have like a difficult meditation, it’s just an experience gonna come and go. You’re just about accepting it. And eventually, so in many levels, a bad meditation session is easier to let go of than a great meditation session, right because we get attached to the great meditation session. But there are special ways not to get attached to the meditation, but we talked about it because what is attachment to meditation through, it’s holding a certain experience. What happened when we hold, we contract. There is biochemical pressure. There is a biofilm, there’s a microcurrent, there’s galectin-3. They are sticking molecules. It’s a survival drive when we totally let go, when everything is possible, we go with the flow. It’s like a river that keeps flowing. And what happened when we do this transition, it’s like melting ice into water. And when we hold, we freeze the water and that’s a whole difference. Water and ice are the same, but one is flowing and one is rigid.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Well, actually it might be better to melt the ice to become gas.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Yeah, and it’s true when you are totally opened, but then water has a communication quality, right? It’s fluid, it’s moisturizers. So yeah, but it’s true. Eventually meditation is like opened like space, there’s nothing to hold. There’s a ultimate healing. That’s where spontaneous healing happens. And yeah, there are so many do to it in, I mean it’s so much fun talking to your ladies, usually have to talk about detox and biochemistry. Of course we can, it relates to all of this, but yeah, it’s really where multiple aspects of life come together. And the more the patient can connect in this way, the person, the more the health provider can connect in this way. The less we have to do, the less aggressive treatments we need, because we are just allowing, we are touching with this place where things are just unfolding on their own. But of course we have to remember, I wanna emphasize this, that we have to remove the obstacles of suppulations, the blocking factors. So for example, you have a lot of heavy metal in the body, it’s gonna change your electrical current, which will affect electromagnetic field. 

If you have pesticides, either going to change certain neurotransmitter or your gut and create an autoimmune condition or narrow inflammation and you get a different in the conduction and different narrow transmitter, et cetera, it’s gonna change the flow. So you got to address all of this. And so it’s not like we can just relax and everything going to be, to really resolve itself. It’s an area that I overlooked. I do a lot of work on heavy metals. I developed, PectaSol is a proven, well-published heavy metal curator of heavy metal safe, but I overlooked pesticides. Not because I didn’t know that they’re bad, because we kind of get used to the idea that we have to accept it, it’s everywhere. But why should we? There’s no such a concept like a little bit of poisons, but pesticide disrupt conductivity. Look at glyphosate and chronic kidney disease. It’s an example or neuro inflammation or gut inflammation, not to immunity. Anything that disrupt normal movements through a membrane, is going to disrupt everything that you’re talking about. Because the electromagnetic field, the exchange is not going well anymore.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

That’s how it gets into trouble, absolutely. And that electromagnetic exchange, obviously what we’re talking about is like, we talk about water and gas, water, ice, water and gas.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Right.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

We are the same in many ways like that. When I work with magnetic field therapies, I have, there are people who feel nothing. I hit them with a hard magnetic field that they feel nothing. And I’ve realized that over time I’ve discovered there are people who feel nothing. They need dynamite to get them going.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Right.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Either rocks or solid they’re rocks, they need dynamite. And on the other side of the spectrum are the people you could bow over with the feather, exquisitely sensitive to even very low intensity magnetic fields. So there again, there’s a spectrum and we have to acknowledge that spectrum and then work with that spectrum to move people to the next level.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Right, so it’s very important. The same like when you supplement, let’s say you recommend a certain dose. Some people need a very small dose and it’s important for people who are sensitive, this support, they tell, oh, I’m very sensitive. There’s also a strength to being sensitive. And there are sensitivity that comes from evolvement and there are sensitivity that comes from imbalance. If you have mycotoxin pesticide you become sensitive because you’re not working properly. If you are more opened, then your sensitive because your perception is being heightened, you are cleaner. It’s very, very different. And one of the key things that I’ve been talking about lately, and it’s hard to comprehend is in its part of a survival product and in your work, it will also have an effect build, is that we get attached to our symptoms. So you get a patient with chronic fatigue or with lime or with mycotoxins, and they got let’s say the same symptom for 20 years. They identify with the symptom. Their symptom becomes inseparable from them. They identify symptom and I apologize to my colleagues, the doctor identifies with the symptoms and they have this relationship with the doctor, his patient, the patient is a doctor and there is no way that it’s gonna end. I always remember I had an amazing patient. It’s an interesting story. It was early ’90s and she died like almost 30 years ago, 20, 26. And here comes a woman stage four breast cancer, every born with metastasis. And these days I was like into nutrition. 

And I tell her, I won’t mention her name. I tell her you know, we’re gonna start with the first phase of cleansing, which will take 18 months. The next time she comes, she says, “Isaac, come, I wanna show you something.” She was the well up woman. “I bought a new Mercedes.” She was like 78 years old. She said, wow, said, you know why? “Because you said it’s gonna take 18 months. If I’m gonna leave for 18 months, I wanna get a new car.” And then she was working with a psychoanalyst about an anger for 22 years. And then we kind of connected with it, with acupuncture, actually I was doing at the time and it just dissolved. And she realized, wow, everything I’m having is because of a certain anger. And she went and told her analyst, he told her you know, this is going to disrupt our progress and he just let her off, this a true story, okay. This is a woman who drove to a reunion in Kansas, from California at the age 80 and got to the entrance of the town to the high school and turned around decided she doesn’t wanna see anybody and drove back. So she was great in letting go. And I was with her when she was taking her last breath and she really let go. So the letting go for her, allowed her to heal remarkably, and then also allowed her to leave her body remarkably. I remember she came in, said, Isaac, let said, she says, eh, cancer came back and told her, I wanna say goodbye, came to her, we meditated together and then two hours later, she left her body. There was a healing in her letting go. 

So letting go is key in our journey of healing and for the people who are have health challenges, one of our issues we identify one symptom with another symptom and we create this neological memories of the body. This is what PTSD did and some of it is genetic. Some of it is epigenetic. Some of it, and then of course it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. So the idea of space that you and I talked about is about allowing, just like allowing a symptom to manifest and just let go without the need to be stuck to the next symptom. Now we do it with our thoughts. Well, one thought follows another, like the first thing when people start to meditate, they realize oh my God, I have so much restlessness in my head. Yeah, you always did. We are all erotic. We just slowed enough that we can realize this space. So we utilize the breath a lot because the breath is voluntary and you can always recognize this place between the exhalation people can try you exhale. And then at the end before you inhale, there’s this moment with no activity. And this helped us with our mind. And then slowly, it also helps us with our symptom. It’s very interesting, I know for me I used to have terrible sclerosis, which kind of healed, a lot of back pain, a lot of emotional and psychological. I had it since age 13. It healed completely just in my like three or four years ago, it’s insane. But anyway, I would get this back that is contracting and then you can’t move, you know when it clocks. And if I was good enough, you can’t see all my whole body, as it was happening, I would just, instead of the right, we resist and it locks, right. 

You talked about resisting. As it was happening, I would just go with it and move with it and move with it and let go of it and flow with it and flow with it and flow with it and release it and it’ll go away. That’s what you were talking about. So it’s all about this letting go. So physically, we got to dissolve, we got to neutralize galectin-3. There was a reason why I say that PectaSol is the most important supplement. Not because I developed it, people who know me know my philosophy, know my child 20 years ago. I wouldn’t recommend it for everyone 20 years ago, but now it’s fundamental. We got to help us dissolve this survival holding, on a biochemical level. I published two very important papers last year with one of the cohort is considered the number one critical care doctor in the world, John Kelm. And we published on acute kidney injury sepsis, very similar to what happened with COVID and an acute kidney injury because of perfusion injury, don’t blood flowing. What happened after bypass or heart surgery. And we showed, that when we block galectin-3, we reduce the cytokine storm. We cut, we attenuate completely, the interleukin-6 spike, and we reduce acute kidney injury. We reduce deaths from sepsis. In fact, in my last stages now of administrative approval for my second very large grant from the NIH, to continue my research on therapeutic apheresis on this field, on pulling out galectin-3 with the filter, that’s a more active way. The MCP is simpler, but the idea is that we are removing the upstream protein that locks us, and that creates a survival response. And it’s a little bit similar to what you’re talking about. Like you said, for some people you have to use like a nuclear device, because they are so rigid, right?

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Right.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

They’re so rigid. And even for these people, it’s very interesting. Often if we have the block in the middle line, okay which is a classical block, you can knock on this block a million times, nothing is gonna happen. This is not gonna work. Really, what you need to do is go this way. And then it’s really either a space in the middle, every time we move, right, you can see this same thing. If we are hitting a wall, if you are hitting a wall, relax and look for the door. There is always a door. Just like I was talking about the experience of COVID, with, I think I mention you before the interview, that I was just diagnosed with COVID in Israel 45 minutes before starting to teach a retreat for 150 people for the first time after two half years. People were working for two and half years. I was preparing for months. The only thing I could either resist and get upset or and I was sick, just let go. And then everything worked out miraculously because there was a letting go process. So the letting go holds a lot of healing with it. And we, no, and we talked about the biochemistry, the survival drive. We talked about the sympathetic system. We talked about the biochemistry, like blocking galectin-3. And we talked about tuning with the energetic field because energetic field doesn’t stop. Our drama is not very significant, it’s bigger, it can contain us. It just, it invites us to get tuned with it, and then it becomes a great healer. Or we connect with our hearts, the biggest healer, and then everything it’s like ice gets dissolved in the sun. 

So all of these are healing methods of the same, trying to heal the same cause with different tools. And I know for my experience, the more you get tuned with refinement of our existence, the less you have to do. I studied a lot of acupuncture, a lot with different lineages. I studied classical Chinese and used to do very sophisticated acupuncture, to a point where I look at my charts from 25 years ago, I can’t understand them, okay. And now what I do is so simple. I would be scolding myself 25 years from using such simple points, because these are just doors for my ability to a little bit more relaxed and open myself and the people I’m working with. So this is a journey and in this sense, anything that connect us to this energy that are bigger than us is so essential and it’s present of course directly when you have a magnetic field that you just have to get it there you knowing you can escape it for five minutes, for 10 minutes, for 15 minutes. At some point it’s gonna hit you. It’s present in our food, it’s present in supplement, but just give an example today of PectaSol. You have to move the the obscuring factors like pesticides and the metals. You have to clean yourself emotionally and it’s present in our mind. Our mind tends to hold, but our mind has the ability to relax. That’s a part of us.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Well, I mentioned this in previous interviews as well. I saw either an fMRI or SPECT scan of a brain where the people who are doing the research with that fMRI had a subject, had somebody who were they’re monitoring his brain, this person’s brain. And the brain was quiet. And they told him, told this person to lift your arm. He didn’t know they were gonna tell him, it was not program. They just said, okay, now lift your right hand or right arm. The brain is quiet. All of a sudden you see a little light beginning to shine in the brain, little light going on, a pinpoint and then it goes bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. It gets really bright and then he lifts his arm.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Wow.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

His mind told his brain, so people make that distinction, his mind told his brain, lift your arm.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Completely, yeah, it’s amazing.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

So that’s how we can be, right

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Yeah, totally. Yeah, so it’s great. I think that, yeah, we really, I’m glad that both of us were able to kind of dive in and cover all of this. It was a great interview, yeah, really.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Now, one of the other points I wanted to make that you were relating to, is the problem of letting go. People basically own their stuff. And there’s more fear of being different than where you are right now.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Right, of course.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Than what you are, so you could be very, very ill, but feeling something different is more worrisome and more scary, shifting is more scary than holding on.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Yeah, because this is part of being able to be with the unknowns. And if you are on the edge, if you are really flowing with energy, like, I mean, a surfer is a good example. You know that I surfed very little. If you are at the edge, you never know what’s gonna happen, but then you are really alive. If everything is known to us we’re not alive anymore, because everything is predicted already. So being alive, yeah, it’s part of being alive, definitely, definitely.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Tai chi something like that as well, what you were describing with your scoliosis, right? So than hitting the arm coming down, right is you shift it slightly, it’s very little energy to shift it

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Completely, completely, totally.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Well, this is a fantastic. So is there anything else you would like to say?

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

No, this is great. I mean, I just, I recommend people to really, to take a look at “The Survival Paradox” because I introduce, and I hear it from doctors who really, and from patients, but it really will change the way you think about your health and then, so it’s really about giving tools and almost an introduction to a different way of relating to your health. And then it is dozens and dozens of pages of protocol at the end, how you make it practical. So, it took me a long time to really write it.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

And I have to say your book is exceptionally pleasant. Exceptionally easy to read, very relaxing, just like our discussion today. You feel relaxed even reading it. So I really say I highly recommend.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

And I really have to credit a lot of it to my daughter Lee Eliaz who is an ordained Buddhist minister and a meditation master. And she is a great editor. So she really, she really approbated it and part of the relaxation is her energy.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

We’re too technical, we’re scientific, we have to express that.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Yeah.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Also say one thing, let’s spell galectin, that G-A-L-E-C-T-I-N, galectin.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Yeah, G-A-L-E-C-T-I-N 3, yes, galectin-3 and the blocker is PectaSol.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

So PectaSol is spelled P-E-C-T-A-S-O-L.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Yes, PectaSol modified pectin It’s-

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

PectaSol comes from pectin.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Exactly.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Right, and so is a solution or, right. So pectaSol is modified pectin, right?

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Exactly, it is special molecular weight that gets absorbed into the bloodstream and then can actually block galectin-3 without the benefit. And there is a chapter about body in my book ’cause it’s a very interesting story how I got introduced to it when I was a teenager. And then it’s really interesting in Israel and then somehow I remembered it, that my neighbor was a very famous citrus scientist. And Israel used to be very famous in its citrus fruits. And Ruth Coin and Leo Coin were PhDs in organic chemistry. And I was 12 years old, we took a walk to the house and she turned out of the blue and told me Isaac, one day they will find a treatment for cancer from the citrus fruit. 24 years later in 1995, the first paper got published by Abraham Risher which I collaborate with now. I called her up, I told the Ruth, I don’t expect you to remember, but I remember what you told me. Don’t ask me how I was 12 years old. And then she put me together with pectin scientist and then this journey started focused initially on cancer, but then all this other indication that all my observation, again, not being locked, I started to see how people’s memories are getting better, blood pressure, joint pain. And I realized the effect on inflammation on heavy metals. So I made all of these discoveries over the years and now it’s much bigger than me. Now there are big universities studying this. There’s a paper coming out every week or two from some kind of a big university or medical center, which of course makes me very happy because it’s really, I know I’m contributing to people’s health and life. And it’s a gift that you can’t ask for bigger gifts in making an impact in helping other people it’s.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

And a lot of people at the same time. Now we have a surprise for you.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Yeah.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

I’ve never done this before. Dr. Eliaz decided he wants to do two visits with us.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Yes.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

So we’re going to, we are not gonna tell you when, but we’re going to have another visit schedule. We’re gonna have another discussion. And this way you open this discussion is fantastic ’cause that really opens the door to the next level.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Right, and next time I wanna go more into the detoxification. How do you prepare your tissue for change? And for example, with PEMF that electromagnetic field, how can you make ourselves more receptive to it, make it more effective and have it stay with us. So this can be a great topic to

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

This is the teaser.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

next time

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Thank you so much Willy, take care, bye.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

much we’ll talk to you very soon Hopefully we’ll talk to everybody else very soon as well.

Isaac Eliaz, M.D., MS, LAc

Thank you.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Thank you Dr. Eliaz, thank you.