Photodynamic Therapy for Cancer

Introduction to Dr. Feld and His Work 0:00

Our next interview is with someone incredible I've recently learned about earlier this year, who is a leading naturopathic physician in the United States implementing naturopathic oncology through his integrative medicine clinic in Idaho. He's going to share with us a number of incredible integrative therapies for cancer, some that you might have never heard of until now. Up next is Doctor Michael Carl Feld. So Doctor Michael Kornfeld, naturopathic doctor, PhD, runs the Carl Feld Center in Boise, Idaho.

Doctor Feld and his staff pride themselves in being compassionate cancer warriors, focusing on cutting edge integrative cancer therapies, working with international leaders to provide cancer solutions for each person. Doctor Carl Felt was in his 20s when he lost his father to colon cancer, which was a big part of leading him on this path to helping people around the world learn how to prevent and heal from cancer. Currently, he hosts the TV show True Health body, mind, spirit and the radio show Health Made Radio, where he connects with international leaders in the integrative health arena.

Also, be sure not to miss his internationally recognized podcast, Integrative Cancer Solutions with Doctor Carl felt. You can find it on iTunes, Google Play and he features cancer survivors sharing how they beat cancer. Truly inspiring. Show and podcast. Make sure to go listen to that. Doctor Kornfeld, thank you so much for joining us. Well, thank you so much for having me, Nathan. I'm really excited about what we're going to chat about today. So I know you're primarily, focused on naturopathic oncology.

Can you talk a little bit about the differences between naturopathic oncology and conventional oncology? Well, one of the key component is to recognize that a cancer is not an isolated event. It is a it's a whole body experience, meaning that the the cancer, if you just focus on on cancer, you irradiate it, you use chemo, you cut it out, you forget. Then the environment where actually the cancer developed in. So in naturopathic oncology you focus on that environment that that terrain that led up to the development of this cancer and see what it is and what kind of factors that you need to change in order to be able to, to make sure that this, this cancer does not, thrive in that environment.

So I kind of liken it to bomb, you know, if you have a, rat infested area. I mean, yes, you can kill the rats, but if you don't clean up the area, then they're just going to reoccur. It's just going to come back again and again. It's the same thing with cancer. So conventional therapy, even though it can be very powerful

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at times, you know, and you see really kind of immediate results. You see that immediate, you know, reduction as the use of chemo or radiation or you cut it out and you feel like, yeah, we we got it. But since we still have the same terrain, we still have the same environment. And at this at the end of these type of therapies, we are actually than weaker. In fact, our terrain is even worse at that time. So the likelihood of it recurring, which is most common, the scenario, is very, very big. So, the key is to look then, you know, look at the individual nutritionally, you know, look at them spiritually, emotionally.

You want to look at them from all angles and see what is that driving force that caused the cancer. And you address those and make sure that, that they are in a good, balanced state. So we clean out their environment so the rats can come back again. And that's, that's kind of the difference between naturopathic oncology look up on the individual as a whole instead of cancer, just as something that all of a sudden appeared and we're just killing the cancer and not looking upon the individual. Yeah, I love that analogy.

And, you know, looking at, I know you have a quote on your website about what nature naturopathic oncology is and you say, and this is at the Commonwealth Centcom, and you say, you know, you treat the person and the cancer, right. It's not just treating the cancer, but you're looking at as you talk about the terrain and the whole person, but also not just the physical terrain, but the mental, emotional, spiritual, you know, experience of the person as well. So it's a very holistic approach, which I think is critical.

I think it's so important. And it's certainly something that we are missing in our conventional oncology today. Right? Where they just look at cancer as the rat and kill the rat and get it out of there as quick as we can. Who cares what happens to the person who cares what happens to the and not, you know, not intentionally. They don't care. But I'm just saying they don't take that into consideration. All of the causative factors that led to the cancer in the first place. And, you know, I think naturopathic oncology is the way of the future because you not only understand the cancer, what causes cancer, you know, and what you can do about it, but you look at the whole human being and how do you improve your overall health and wellness, happiness, life purpose, you know, well-being and heal at the same time.

That's how I look around. And the key is also to empower the individual. So when a lot of patients go through traditional care, it's kind of like they almost drop off their body and have it worked on and then pick it up after, meaning that they are not empowered in that process. So, studies show that an individual that is engaged and is part of the treatment, which was naturopathic oncology, is really focuses on, their outcome is so much better because we recognize, you know, the immune system place is directly connected with how we feel, how we think.

And so if we we, we move in fear or we move in disempowerment, then we are not going to be very successful. But if we shift and become come out of a place of power, you know, which is a whole individual that is, you know, strong strength and, and, and does things with purpose, they are going to have much better outcome. Yeah. So if somebody tuning in right now has cancer, you have a conventional oncologist, you know, and you're asking them questions. You want to understand the causes and other solutions and be more informed.

And they're just kind of, you know, trying to shake you off and tell you that don't worry about it or, you know, it's none of your business or whatever. You might not have the right oncologist. Right? Because if they're not willing to educate themselves and or educate you and bring you along in the process and help you to understand what's really going on, you know, that's, as you said, you see better outcomes when the patient is actually educated and empowered and part of the healing process. So I think that's a that's important takeaway there.

And so I want to ask you, obviously in working with cancer patients for years, you know, you've seen a lot of things and probably some really interesting things. And I've probably seen some incredible case studies. I'd love maybe for you to share in a moment as well. But I want to I'm curious if there's 1 or 2 things that stick out to you that you've discovered about cancer or helping heal from cancer over the years, that you realize now that most people just don't know about, and maybe it could actually help save their lives.

Well, one of the things is to recognize, that it is a very complex disease in itself. And so a lot of patients say they think, well, I'm going to go and just do a vitamin C, IV, you know, when they're think integrative or I'm just going to take, you know, this, this pharmaceutical oil or this herb and, and not recognizing that you, you need to address it from so many different angles at the same time, you know, so that's why it's important to really do a huge inventory as to where am I at spiritually?

Where am I at emotionally? Where am I at nutritionally? You know, am I dealing with infectious agents? I might be dealing with heavy metals. I'm I'm dealing with all these things. So you can't just, thinking that I take this one thing and that's going to fix it all. That's why it's important to work with people that are very educated in this area, so that they can then address all these different factors, you know, looking on us a whole. So I think that is one of the things that, I've learned tremendously in that aspect.

And the other component is the, the issue with,

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stem cells, cancer stem cells, you know, not recognizing their importance and their effect and by using traditional care, like the chemo, radiation, surgery, all of that will activate the activity of the cancer stem cells and to be able to then control their activity utilizing then a lot of these integrative approaches that are really powerful and, and down, down regulating these activities so that they stay dormant while you then go on after the cancer and at the same time as supporting the individuals.

So those are two, I think, really, really important components for individuals to to recognize in addition to that, you know, just because the cancer goes away doesn't mean that you are cancer free. You're actually from. From what I seen with patients is that cancer is a chronic disease, which means that once it's gone, you can't just relax and go back to your normal habits. You know, I had one one patient. Yeah. He was a failed, medical cancer patient. And, you know, I was supposed to die, and, I don't know, 1 or 2 months or so and turn them around.

He's doing great, you know? Fantastic. He. Yeah. He ate well. Yeah. He was, on protocols and, Yeah, five years later, he, you know, obviously he was relaxed and thinking, you know, this is not part of my life anymore. So he had a stressful event. Yeah. He, he needed he was moving, so he didn't sleep well and he didn't eat well. And the cancer returned, and, they took him in for chemo, and then he died the day after. Wow. So it is really important to keep your habits and don't stop them, you know, recognize recognizing you still need to eat well, you still need to meditate.

You still need to exercise and still need to breathe fresh air. You still need to do all these things. Don't stop those habits. Because then you leave yourself vulnerable again, right? That's something I teach in my Becoming Cancer Free masterclass, which is it has to become a lifestyle. We have to live this way. Right. And as you do, that's the nice thing. It's. It's not a chore anymore. If you look at it like it's a chore and a challenge, then it's always going to feel that way. But if you look at it as, you know, this is helping me to be healthier, to live longer, to feel better, to have more energy, to think more clearly, to be there for my grandchildren are great grandchildren to have more meaning and clarity and purpose in life.

But if you look at it like that, then those things, you know, eating healthy, making a, a salad, instead of, cheeseburgers or, you know, having like, a snack, like I used to eat big bowls of cereal at night and they were organic vegan cereal, whatever. But it is processed food, you know, with added sugar. And so instead of that, you know, it's like, oh, you know what? I have something that's better. That makes me feel better, that I know is better for me, which is I have fresh berries and fresh fruit and I'll have some, you know, coconut yogurt, and I'll put some nuts and seeds in there and some chia seeds, and you know, instead of processed sugar, put a little stevia, and some cinnamon, some herbs and like, so it's like an actual living food meal that's giving you living nutrients instead of something dead that came out of the box. Right.

And now I look forward to those snacks instead of the the addiction I had to cereal years ago. So it becomes a lifestyle, right? It becomes a way of life. And it has to be that way, especially if you want to prevent recurrence. As you said, I've talked to many people who had the exact same story. You know, they reverse cancer using a holistic approach. Five, six years later, it came back with a vengeance because they kind of, to be honest, got a little lazy or just thought, well, now it's gone. I can, you know, I can cheat a little more often.

I eat more potato chips, I can I don't have to work out as much. I don't have cancer anymore. Right. Like those things. Slowly, those bad habits slowly start to creep in and well, guess what? They've cancer accrues back in as well. And what I see if you look upon cancer as it's actually it's most many of my patients feel that it's the best gift that they've ever had. Because it put them at a place where it's a do and die situation, meaning that I have to look at my garbage, so to say, emotional, spiritual, physical, whatever that may be.

I have to pass, look at it and change it. And all of a sudden, and like you're saying, with food, yeah, I have to evaluate how I'm eating and then take the step to eat appropriately, you know, eat good living food and then also emotionally, you know, live a, you know, good relationships, get rid of toxic ones and, really and create a life that where you actually living instead of existing. And once you are doing that and when you're putting that in place, you know, with cancer, you have to do that quickly.

And when you come out of that and look upon that, as you know, this was the best thing that could ever happen to me. And I see that again and again and patients now, and then maintaining those habits and patterns and, you know, seeing that as a beautiful thing as it is. Yeah. You know, it's I've heard that, from so many patients over the years as well. And I've also heard from many, you know, in the beginning for them to say, I could never see this as a blessing, right? They haven't gotten to that mindset shift yet.

And to others who say this is great, things that happen to me, it's because they changed their mind around it. They said, what is this here to teach me? How can this helped me become better? You know what is this for? Not why are you doing this to me? But how can this help me? And that shift alone is, I think, one of the most responsible things that I've seen, in the contribution towards people's mindset of saying, this is a gift, this is a gift because it's helped me learn more about my health, because it's helped me love more fully, because it's helped me not care about what other people think, because it's helped

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me, you know, get closer to my kids or my family, or to heal broken relationships. Right. And so people can can start to shift their mindset around that challenge. How is this challenging thing here to serve me, to help me grow, to become better? You start asking that question instead of, you know, for me, why are you doing this to me? Then everything starts to change, right? And, and, and and then you do become a person like you've had many patients. And like many people I've talked to said, it's the greatest thing that ever happened to me.

And they're so thankful for it. You know, ten years, 15 years later. Right. But I know it's really hard for people to see at first. That's why that shift in the mindset in the question alone is so important. Yeah. The the attitude of gratitude is, is is huge. And the, the impact that has on your well-being is tremendous. So, so being in that space and being grateful for, the gifts that, you know, seemingly horrible disease, I mean, it's a horrible disease, you know, because people die from it, but, it brings a gift if you look at it in the right way.

And, yeah, I couldn't agree more. So let's start. You mentioned cancer stem cells. Can you talk a little bit about cancer stem cells so people understand, you know, as we know the science supports this, that chemotherapy doesn't kill the cancer stem cells. And so why is that important for people to realize, you know, maybe talk a little bit about the difference between cancer stem cells or what we might call mother cells versus daughter cells and each of their role in, metastasis and that sort of thing.

Can you talk a little bit about that? And I think it'll really help people. Yes. And the people really don't die from the original tumor. Yeah. That that is really never the issue. You know, it is it is always the cancer stem cells or the seeding and other locations, that is, and that's putting people in a place where they might die from the cancer, even though the majority of people, they don't really die from cancer, they actually die more from the treatment, you know, as they're dealing with the cancer.

So the the key is then again, not to become so tumor focused, you know, having everything going after just the tumor. In fact, what, some studies show that if you remove the original tumor, the daughter cancer, you know, cells or the daughter location that may not be visible on the scan actually becomes, becomes very active, you know, and they it's like they kind of separate them themselves from a coordinated communication that was taking place between the, the mother tumor sort of say, versus the the daughter tumors.

And so if you remove the mother, then all of a sudden you have then all these different, areas that are then acting on their own and you can't really do as much of a coordinated attack, on the cancer. So, in regards to the stem cells, then it it is really important that you work, utilizing things that calm down inflammation. You you calm down, you bring antioxidant support, and these are the things that that reduces the activity of the cancer stem cells so that when you undergo maybe harsh treatments, you know, you are not activating them, because at that time, again, you're going to be less, less able to defend yourself because your immune system will be down, you know, from chemo or radiation or, or surgery, like surgery suppresses immune system by like 40%.

So, you know, during the time of surgery, you have to boost your immune system. Yeah. I by IVC and you know, other as supplemental, diet, you know, you got to do that during that time. So that becomes a key is to control that while you undergo then these other if you choose to do traditional care, you know, it's it's important to combine then these therapies with it so that the stem cells don't, just run rampant and start to activate, you know, growth in other areas. And yes, you get rid of the breast tumor, but all of a sudden it's in your brain, it's in your bones, in your lungs, it's in your liver.

Yeah. And, you know, I have plenty of those patients coming, you know, where exactly that had happened? Yeah. It's a it's a very sad situation when you think, oh, we got rid of the we got rid of the cancer. It's gone. And then one year, two years, three years. They say, oh my God, it's metastasized to the bones, the lymph nodes. And stage four, you know, you got three months left to live like. It's a very challenging and scary thing for somebody to hear right when they had so much hope and thought it was gone, but didn't realize and their oncologist didn't realize that, you know, the the cancer stem cells themselves.

I mean, you know, what are they do, right? They are self renewing. Right? And they actually drive the tumor initiation and the progression and they, are responsible for so many different aspects of the cancer proliferation and that treatment alone, just because you take out a tumor, you radiate, you use chemotherapy. It's not getting rid of the stem cells. And in all actuality, I would say it's pissing them off. Right. They're like, okay, now, now we're going all in, right? Because you didn't, as you opened up with so eloquently, didn't address the terrain in the body that was causing the cancer in the first place.

And so now you just pissed off these cancer stem cells, and they're going to just do everything they can to proliferate quickly. And that's often how it metastasizes exponentially, right? Yeah. And and like I was saying, when you then get rid of the kind of the hub, you disrupt your ability to address all these different, you know, tumors, you know, the network of tumors, you know, so you can't kind of attack them in that way. And they all become kind of isolate on their own. And each one functions differently.

And each one has different drivers and different, you know. So that's why it is so important if you can address it and support the body and kind of clean up the body prior to any surgery, you know, to minimize that, from taking place, you're you're in a much better spot. And, you know, cancer I look upon that as, as kind of like a wound that never heals. Meaning that it is a it's something that the body is activating the immune system to try to kind of repair that area, so to say, you know, which means that these cancer stem cells, they're always active because they're always trying to replicate, always trying to grow and build, repair and support that tissue.

And so if you then, assault it, then the cancer's like you're saying you're pissing off the cancer stem cells. They're going to work harder and trying to heal that tissue, so to say. So they're going to become more active and do more damage. Overall. So can you share some of your you said, you know, some things that to really calm down the, the activation of the cancer stem cells, anti-inflammatories, antioxidants, these kinds of things. Can you share some of your top solutions, that you use maybe at your center, what you recommend for people

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that they can do to help kind of slow down that, you know, pissing off the cancer stem cells to help. Yeah. You know, reduce the spread. I mean, we we do a lot of I.V. therapies that are at our center, you know, things like curcumin, you know, vitamin C also, therapies, do also intravenous laser therapy, you know, full body laser therapy. So all these different things are fantastic. And calming down the the activity of the stem cells. But things like, you know, you can do oral cooking, and you just want to make sure that you have a good quality, because frequently, and, and yes, it's great to throw in a little black pepper, but there, there other ways, you know, they're even better type, curcumin out there.

So you got curcumin. You got possible. Yeah. You have things like quercetin. Obviously green tea, have a rosemary extract. Frank. You know, you know, frankincense. That as possible. Yeah. And you sandalwood is another, you know, fantastic essential oil. If you want to do that, you know that that fights cancer and also calms down that inflammatory response. So those are a really good tools to use, orally along with, one of my favorite, supplements also called poly MVA, you know, which is as fantastic also in reducing that inflammation and then healing that, the mitochondrial activity, you know, to make sure that the, the cells are as healthy as possible so that they don't have, they're not one over, so to say, but by the signaling of the cancer stem cells.

Got it. So what are some, or some other integrative solutions that you offer your center that you think are leading edge or revolutionary? If you had to pick one that maybe most people don't even know they could have access to? Well, I mean, a fantastic therapy that I, I've used for, you know, with tremendous success and I've, I've seen some incredible, you know, where the tumor disappears and the brain and lungs and liver and, you know, prostate, you know, that, that has gone outside the prostate and kind of wrapping around the colon, you know, and it's, it's called photodynamic therapy.

And, what that is, is utilizing a full desensitize or, and you can use actually things like curcumin intravenously, that is a photosensitive or but then you there are some stronger ones that we use. One is called ikeji or in the Sinai in green, which or methylene blue, you know, so these are really powerful photos. Sensitize or hypo parecen, which is Saint John's wort. So you introduce that intravenously or you can eat it all intravenously is just has a better distribution. And, because of the, how the, the cancer, how that work with that kind of unorganized, blood supply.

They say in order for the cancer to be able to survive and grow, it is developed, this kind of disorganized, you know, blood vessel supply that's very leaky and very, you know, very, very disorganized. So, with that, then these photosensitive sores tend to accumulate in these, the cancer and the cancer cells much more than normal tissue. And so you have then the photo sensitized in the the tumor cell and then you utilize an intravenous laser or external laser light that matches the photosensitive.

And that actually creates a reactive oxygen species within the cancer cell to kill it off. And, and as you then kill these cancer cells, you have then these debris that, that are then kind of circulating in the, in the bloodstream and the immune system are then checking out this debris, are then presenting it to, to the immune system to develop, different, you know, antibodies and different, you know, t cells in order to be able to specifically then go after that tumor. So, it's a really targeted, and, and.

Yeah, it's not a lot of people that do that are in the United States. And, it's a cutting edge, technology that I'm really excited to be offering to my patients. Yeah, it sounds really fascinating. And so if you were to kind of, give an example of, you know, if someone wanted to come in and use that therapy, what would that look like? So it's it's it's an interesting. Yes. Light solution. So you're actually, sending light intravenously direct to the cancer cells. Is that how it works? Yeah. So you have I mean, we're talking about cancer stem cells, and obviously they're they're circulating in the bloodstream.

Yeah. So, in order to be able to control and minimize any kind of metastasis and you want to go after them in that fashion. So we would then introduce a, a full desensitizing agent. And most commonly it's a, it's not a nice form of ICG.

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And the nano nice just means that, you know, very tiny particles so that I can easily accumulate them in the, the cancer cells. And so we would do that. And sometimes we also then utilize, things like stem cells or we do a, micro filtered type of PRP, where we use, PRP solution, that we use the sonic device to kind of break them apart and then micro filter them so they almost look like exosomes. And these become like carrier. So if you really want to kind of saturate the tumor with these photosensitive or combining them with stem cells or, you know, these, exosome like vesicles, it will really drive, you know, that, and that full desensitize there into the tumor because stem cells and, the, exosome like vesicles are really drawn towards inflammation.

And a cancer is a very inflammatory event. I mean, that's that's how it thrives by, you know, producing as chemicals, mess, you know, cytokines that really triggers inflammation, the area that it's in and it's a little microenvironment. So we we would do that and then we follow that with other IVs, you know, like, you know, curcumin, vitamin C, poly MVA, DCA, and then also then intravenous, you know, laser therapy where you actually it's an optic cable that you insert intravenously and treat the blood as it's passing by.

And then also we can then, do it externally. So you have it then, you know, right over the tumor site. And the key with that also is that a tumor is a very it's a very hypoxic area. Yeah. It does not have a lot of oxygen within the tumor itself. And in order to be able to create oxidation or create these reactive oxygen species, you need an oxygen within that tumor. So then we combine it with like hyperbaric oxygen therapy, you know, which can then increase oxygen, you know, oxygen content and tissue by like 20 times.

So that way will have even more effect now when we then, go after them with the, either interstitial, you know, external or intravenous laser. Yeah. That's incredible. So photodynamic therapy, I think it's definitely interesting and leading edge. And I think people should look more into it, as a consideration as part of your healing protocol. So for, in your center, what kind of if you, if you can share, if you don't mind sharing some interesting case studies where people came in, with some advanced cancers and they went through, you know, your naturopathic oncology, integrative treatment solutions, and then, you know, their cancer went away.

Do you have some interesting case studies you can share? Yeah, yeah. Like we had a, a young woman, she was treated with traditional care with, with chemo, surgery, radiation to deal with breast cancer. And, and she was one of those that then all of a sudden it showed up and, and the brain showed up and the liver showed up in the lungs and the bones. And, so we did we have AA2 week intensive protocol. We we ran her through that with the photodynamic therapy. And we we followed up and there's, you know, there's nothing left in the brain.

Yeah. Her lungs were clear. It was a little bit left in the liver, but it was stable. You know, it didn't change in any way. And, you know, bones were clear. So it was, I mean, she was a single mother. So obviously she wanted to adjunct children. She wanted to be there for her kids. She she wanted to. Not just. Yeah, she. I mean, that was that was the thing. I mean, just to get to be there with her kids, and now she can, you know which. Which is incredible. Yeah. That's beautiful. And how much, is education a part of your, treatment process in terms of.

Obviously, people can come for two weeks and go through all the incredible integrative treatments, but then how much is is education on lifestyle and prevention of recurrence and, you know, diet and all these things, lifestyle behaviors to prevent the recurrence. How much do you or do you share that with your patients? Well, that I mean, that is the biggest component. You can't because if you continue with the same pattern that created the, that created the disease, then it's going to reoccur. So education becomes a huge, tool.

And that's why I do things like, you know, the podcast that I'm doing, the radio show that I'm doing, in addition to when, when patients come in, we we don't only do those type of therapies, you know, we go through their diet and listen and put them on a, a diet to support them, the body's ability so that the immune system is as strong as possible. And we get rid of foods that function as cancer drivers, you know. So you you need to recognize that food is actually medicine. Everything that we put, you know, past our lips is going to either support our health or detract from our health.

And so that becomes a tremendous, aspect. In addition to working on that, the emotional component. So we use that, technique at our center called AP on their plates, like in our biology, which,

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pinpoints traumas or belief systems that can then be tied to the cancer, and then address that using, things like laser sweeps, eye movement colors, that are then, these, these, you know, these traumas are sort of coated with or filed with, in order to be able for the body to recognize them and then be able to dress it, fully. And then also we work on and spiritually, you know, we we have, you know, people coming in and helping an individual and helping, you know, family of the individual to, you know, what they need to do spiritually in order to be able to be at a good place and, and utilizing, you know, their belief, you know, whether they're if they're Christians and, you know, utilizing that belief in order to really, you know, support healing that way.

So it it becomes a, a whole body component. We use something else called laser energetic Detox, where we use the frequency, of the, the cancer along with other agents and, and just allow that to kind of piggyback on a light beam and then, educate using that laser sweep to help the educate and the body in regards to, what the cancer is, you know, so that you, you know, you initiate that awareness that the cancer exists so it becomes a whole body event where the whole body whole being is working on correcting that versus that.

It's just an isolated little kind of, prison yard, you know, where where you just cannot have, take in the bad stuff and you just can. I showed them an area on the rest of the bodies. Just forgotten about it. We want the whole body to be engaged and and recognize the innate healing power of the body to be able to correct all that. So, yeah, it's a it's a full, you know, working from all different angles in order to be able to address, you know, this, and this event that we call cancer. That's great.

You know, I just want to say I'm really grateful that, that we met recently and, I'm really grateful for your support and contribution, to the summit. And, you know, I just want to commend you for the incredible work that you do in saving people's lives and really approaching cancer and health and healing from such a, comprehensive, integrative and naturopathic approach. I really think what you're doing is cutting edge medicine. And I think, you know, modern medicine is, is, should be and hopefully will be following your lead.

And so, I just want to say thank you. And, I appreciate everything you do to, to really support people dealing with cancer. So thank you. Well, thank you so much. It's truly my honor. And thank you for everything that you're doing, you know, to bring this kind of information out to the public because that, you know, information is power. If you don't have, if you don't have information, you don't have a choice, and then you're just stuck doing what people tell you to do. But information gives people power.

So thank you. Absolutely. And and if people want to contact you or your team and find out more about your center maybe coming and visiting, what is it? What is the best place for them to do that? Well, I mean, our website is the Carl Phelps center.com. And you have a tremendous amount of information there. All our, my old radio shows, you know, which I, where I interview leading experts, you know, not only in cancer. I mean, that's one of my love is to support people dealing with cancer, but in other areas as well, you know, so that becomes a very educational, tool to, to listen to those different, podcast and radio shows.

Just give us a call. You know, we're at, you know, we're here in Idaho and, you know, find our phone number on, on the website and we'd be we'd be really happy to help, each one that needs help because this is, something that I know can be done if you do it appropriately. Fantastic. Well, thank you again. And thank you all for tuning in to the conquering Cancer Summit. I wish you all ultimate health and happiness. And, we'll talk to you soon. Take care.