How To Prevent Cancer & Why Seasonal Illness May Help

Jason Prall

Well, I am very excited to bring on our next guest ’cause we’re gonna be talking about all things cancer. Dr. Kevin Conners is the clinic director at Conners Clinic, an alternative cancer treatment center. He graduated with a doctorate from Northwestern Health Sciences University in 1986 and has been studying alternative cancer care for over 23 years. He also holds AMA fellowships and board certifications in anti-aging medicine, regenerative and functional medicine, botanical medicine, and is board certified in integrative cancer therapy. Dr. Conners is also certified in functional neurology and has had over 300 hours of postgraduate study in the autism spectrum disorders and is trained and certified in epigenetic clinical methylation and nutrigenomics. Dr. Conners is a practicing applied kinesiologist with an emphasis on botanical medicine and homeopathy. He has written numerous books including “Stop Fighting Cancer and Start Treating the Cause” and “The 7 Phases of Detoxification”, all of which are a available as a free download at connersclinic.com/books. Dr. Conners, welcome.

Dr. Kevin Conners

Welcome, thank you, thank you. Thanks for having me, Jason, I appreciate it.

Jason Prall

Well, your bio reads as a kind of , let’s just say this, there’s a lotta words in there that, if you’re not familiar with the medical world, you may not understand, but from my perspective, wow. I mean, I’m-

Dr. Kevin Conners

That’s all right. I don’t understand half of them either, so it’s okay.

Jason Prall

Well, I’m truly impressed with your resume of study, not necessarily the degrees and all that. That no longer impresses me, but where people’s interests go and where their natural interests lead them is really a sign that I look for. And you’ve been studying alternative cancer care for over 23 years. You’ve done, you clearly go outta the realm of traditional sciences when it comes to helping your patients, And I’m just curious where that came from, because it’s not a route that most doctors took, let’s say, 23 years ago.

Dr. Kevin Conners

I became a practitioner just because I felt like this was my calling. You know, I felt like I was led to help people. It just, I was drawn to it. So in coming from that perspective, whenever I received a new patient call and somebody coming in as a new patient that had something I didn’t know about, you learn from that. I mean, I always say that I learn more from my patients than anything, and it’s not necessarily what they teach me, but it’s what their body teaches me as I try to figure out what I have to do to get them better. Because if somebody comes in with something, I feel like, okay, well, it’s my job to figure out what’s going on, to figure out the reason they have this and then to figure out how to get them better. Obviously, I’m not successful with every case but I feel like that’s my calling to figure this out. So you gotta constantly be learning. I just feel like in this day and age, we hear a lot about the term critical thinking, to be a critical thinker, but you have to have that inquisitive mind. I think that, that draws you to learn more constantly.

Jason Prall

Yeah, I totally agree. And then especially in your world where you’re dealing with very complex cases, you know, late stage cancers and Lyme and multiple autoimmunities. This is difficult stuff, and I speak from somebody who’s been in that world a little bit, and the answer isn’t always easy. And I, like you, I guess, got really curious about these what we would term alternative therapies. And I think, I mean, 23 years ago, they were certainly alternative and they seem to be coming more around into the mainstream. And I think that’s because the standard of care, the standard model doesn’t seem to be working as often as most people would like, and so we’re reaching out to these, let’s say more untested, from a scientific perspective, modalities, but yet they seem to be working. So talk to me about that. What are you finding when the people that are coming to you? Are they coming to you from a cancer perspective in late stages, or are people starting to come in earlier stages of their cancer diagnosis?

Dr. Kevin Conners

Well, we still get the majority of our people coming in later stages.

Jason Prall

Yeah.

Dr. Kevin Conners

Which makes me sad a little bit, but I think with cancer, in particular, it’s a scary word for people. So when they go in and get a diagnosis of cancer, the fear tends to take over, and they go into sympathetic overdrive. It’s easy for them to be herded down a pathway that they may later regret. And it’s hard for other people, their loved ones, to necessarily jump on board of, let me do some research for you. Because cancer is considered something that is deadly, people don’t wanna take responsibility. They wanna push that responsibility over to a doctor that, now, I don’t have to deal with the consequences if it doesn’t go well, the doctors did everything they could. Versus a condition like, oh, I have hypothyroidism, well, I’m gonna do some research and try to figure this out before I just go on medication or how to deal with this dietarily. With cancer, it tends to be more scary and the responsibility is graver.

Jason Prall

Yeah, it feels more urgent, I think, for a lot of people. It feels like, okay, today I discovered cancer, and oh my God, my time could be running out tomorrow or next week or six months. And that’s often what they’re told, is some amount of time that they have to expect. And so, you know, with that, maybe you can help help us understand the variations in cancer diagnosis. ‘Cause I know some, yes, there’s a little bit more shorter timeline that we can sort of hypothesize and some aren’t so urgent as I think we are led to believe or that that initial fear kind of leads us to believe.

Dr. Kevin Conners

Well, I think we hear from people that contact us all the time that standards of care has pushed them heavily. They use fear as their driving tool. And I think that’s not only unethical, but it’s highly immoral. Nobody knows how much time somebody else left. So even if you’re diagnosed with stage four pancreatic cancer that, statistically, you know, it may be progressing quite rapidly, you don’t know how much time that person has left. We have, personally, in our clinic, stage four pancreatic cancer patients that are still alive five years after diagnosis, that didn’t do any chemo or radiation, because they were critical thinkers at the level of, huh, I don’t know about this, let me just investigate this a little further. And I think that’s what it takes. You always have more time than what your doctor says. It doesn’t mean that you should just go stick your head in the sand and pretend nothing’s going on, this should be a wake up call for you when you get a diagnosis, but you don’t have to make a decision immediately. I can’t tell you how many times we have at patients tell us that, hey, I was in the doctor’s office, I had this lump in my breast, they already had me scheduled for a mammography and ultrasound, and then a biopsy, before I even left the office, or they got the biopsy and it was positive, and they already had me scheduled for chemotherapy before I left the office without even my consent. And I told them I wanted to wait and I got home and I got, in my email box, my list of dates to start chemotherapy. And it’s like, I didn’t even tell ’em I wanted to. So it is pretty high pressure sales.

Jason Prall

Yep. 

Dr. Kevin Conners

And they hide behind the, well, we’re just trying to save person’s life. When I think it would be wiser to, maybe not better for their bottom line, but it’d be wiser to give people information and educate them to make the best decision possible. But of course they won’t sell as much chemotherapy that way. So that’s the culture that we’re living in with oncology.

Jason Prall

Right, yeah. And I really wanna focus our sort of first part of our conversation on the prevention of cancer, because I think that can really apply to everybody, including those with a cancer diagnosis already. But before that, I wanna get to that point of a cancer diagnosis. Maybe for those of us who haven’t been diagnosed with cancer, we haven’t looked into this role, we don’t maybe have somebody close to us that have walked that path. What does that look like? Because I think this is what’s interesting to me, is a lot of what we see in the medical world is we see a black and white type of situation, right? Even something like autism, which I know that you work with as well. There is no such thing as autism as we define it, it’s just a cluster of symptoms that we label as autism spectrum, right? So with cancer, how do we even dive diagnose cancer? Is there this… ‘Cause as far as I’m aware, we all have quote, “cancer cells” or cancer risk cells in our body that are being destroyed, hopefully, by our natural immune system. So how is it actually defined, and is there a point where you don’t have cancer and then all of a sudden you do have cancer?

Dr. Kevin Conners

Good point there. The answer is, to that, is there a point you don’t have cancer and you do have cancer? No, there really isn’t, in my opinion. Because if you understand the definition of cancer, cancer is a cell that’s gone into rapid replication. Every single one of us have multiple cells that are in rapid replication as we speak right now. When that takes place, now, normally a cell will replicate and then the mother cell dies, you can say. So your skin cells replicate about every six to 12 weeks, the mother cell dies through a process called apoptosis, and now you still only have one cell. When a cell, something happens, something gets inside that cell and affects the nucleus, that’s the replication center, and now it’s replicating every, instead of every six to 12 weeks, it’s replicating a couple times a day. That’s a rapid replication. It’s starting to become a cluster of hundreds, thousands of cells. Your immune system should be sparked. Even though these are your own cells, your immune system should be sparked to like, take a look at this. There’s something wrong here. And 99% of the time, your immune system will kill it and destroy it, and you go on living, you never get a diagnosis of cancer. So it is only when your immune system was, either suppressed or the replication was too rapid or there’s lots of reasons why, but if the immune system did not do its job in knocking that cluster down and it continued to grow, now it becomes a larger mass. And by the time you get a biopsy of something, it is millions if not tens of millions of cells large. So that, if the replication phase was only once every three weeks, it’s a very slow growing cancer, maybe it was growing in there 10 to 15 years before it’s 30 million cells large. 

Large enough to be seen on a pet scan would be 3 million cells larger, but you never got a pet scan or a CT scan ’cause you didn’t know you had cancer, and the mass was deep in your liver, you didn’t even know you had a mass. But now maybe you’re having some pain or some dysfunction or you got a scanner or an x-ray for some other reason, and then they see this mass and then they go in and biopsy it, then you’re diagnosed with cancer. So, yes, there’s people walking, every single human probably, walking around today has cancerous cells right now. When you talk about prevention, you really have to talk about stimulating immune response, keeping your immune system healthy, keeping a balance of lowering your stress so that you have a healthy parasympathetic nervous system doing its job, helping with detoxification. We could go into each one of these topics at length, but one is only diagnosed with cancer when they have either a sign, meaning, oh, here’s this lump in my breast, what is this? Or a symptom, oh, I have this pain in my side or my gut, and I go in to get an examination. They do a CT scan, MRI, x-ray, and then they go in and do a biopsy of some mass and it comes back cancer cells, then you have a diagnosis, you, know, that could have been years from when it initially started.

Jason Prall

Yeah, that’s beautiful. I’m so glad you wrap that up. That’s so important to recognize that we’re all in some, I mean, look, we’re all in the process of death, right? Like, we’re all dying, right? And so there’s, I think there’s an interesting aspect here that we need to acknowledge that things are going on even when the medical system isn’t telling us or isn’t aware of it or we’re not aware of it, right? And so… And this is interesting. I wanna take a little diversion here from the conversation, but I wanna tie it in as well. As we got on, you told me that you’re a little under the weather, I noticed you’re a little nasally right now, you’re a little sick, right? And I actually just got sick pretty recently on my travels. I think I had what looked to be COVID. And so I lost my sense of smell and taste, and it was down for about 10 days or so, and had some body aches and a really, really bad sore throat, and, you know, some of these typical flu-like symptoms, cold-like symptoms. And so I’m curious about that, because there’s so here about being sick that I think we’re missing as a general society that we deem it as bad. We don’t wanna get sick. And I think what we mean by sick is we don’t wanna experience these symptoms. And of course that’s logical, but there’s something happens here when we get sick. Our immune system really turns on. And from, you know, one of the perspectives that I love is that it, when that immune system really kicks into gear, it’s actually going around doing some general cleanup. And I’m curious what the relation here is with things like cancer or other things. Is there a positive aspect to quote, unquote, “getting sick”? And I’m curious, as you have gotten sick, what do you do about that?

Dr. Kevin Conners

Oh, well, good. We didn’t even think about talking about this, but this is a topic that we don’t touch on very often that I talk to my patients about. But getting sick, if you have a diagnosis of cancer, we’ve had patients that have a diagnosis of cancer that get a really bad flow and it puts them into remission.

Jason Prall

So, real quick, I wanna interrupt because I love this. ‘Cause I actually noticed after I’ve gotten sick, some of my, let’s just say general, really light symptoms that I might experience if my body is out of balance, outta my whack, my circadian rhythms disrupted, whatever the case, they improve, and I’ve noticed this. Like, one of my symptoms that I deal with on a regular basis from time to time is a little bit of dry skin. And I noticed after I got sick, my skin health was dramatically better.

Dr. Kevin Conners

Yeah. Well, and we could just go to immunology 101 to explain that really.

Jason Prall

I would love that. I think this is really important, especially in light of what’s going on right now in the world.

Dr. Kevin Conners

Right, so everybody is afraid of disease, right? It’s just a completely illogical assertation there, because disease is what builds our immune system, germs are what builds our immune system. If we’re gonna live in a sterile world, we’re gonna have no health to our immune response. So going around spraying this disinfectant spray everywhere and using disinfectant lotion and thinking that if you live in a bubble and wear a mask and you’re gonna be a healthier individual, it’s just, you’re not even understanding basic immunology. So basic immunology tells us that when we’re exposed to pathogens or subclinical biotoxins, let’s say, that you are going to fire an immune response against that. So if I go play in the dirt and I’m exposed to different biotoxins, bacteria or fungus or mold or viruses, and they enter into my system through me breathing them in or whatever, my immune system fires a response to that. Your initial immune response to that has been termed your initial Th1 immune response. You fire macrophages, T cells, to kill that. If it does its job and kills that, then I’ll never know I had a bacteria in my body and I’m just fine. If it’s fairly virulent, so, oh, we don’t wanna be exposed to really, really virulent diseases. Well, that’s still a fallacy. If it’s very virulent or you’re exposed to a high degree of them number wise, then your immune system will fire that Th1 response, tryING to kill them. If within about 24 to 72 hours, it can’t really kill them, then that side of the immune system suppresses and your B cell side is increased. And that B cell side is the one that makes antibodies against that pathogen.

Jason Prall

That’s the memory side.

Dr. Kevin Conners

Yes, so it will actually be making antibodies against whatever pathogen it finds. So if you have some lingering strep in your throat that maybe you’ve had for a couple months that hasn’t really bothered you, but now you’re exposed to this flu, completely different pathogen, that you fire this Th1 response and now this Th2 B cell response, you’re gonna make antibodies to that flu, but you’re also gonna make antibodies to that strep. And now you have circulated antibodies to this particular flu and circulated antibodies to this particular strep, which then takes that pathogen so that now with that B cell Th2 response now suppresses and the Th1 response kicks back in, your T cells, your macrophages, your killer cells, now they are able to see it. So think of antibody as putting like fluorescent tape on a pathogen so that the T cells, macrophages, your natural killer cells can see them more readily, now it will kill them. But these antibodies are circulating now through your bloodstream. So that if you’re exposed three weeks from now to a very similar strep or flu, then it will take that as well so that your Th1 response will now easily kill it, and you never even felt sick. 

So maybe if you go through that Th1, Th2, response, you’ll have a little fever. I didn’t really feel good, I stayed home from work today, I ate some chicken soup, and I feel much better after a few days, now, I’m back to work. That is a good thing. It would’ve been a very bad thing for you to go out, boy, I got my sore throat ’cause my daughter had a sore throat and I don’t wanna get sick so I’m gonna run out and get an antibiotic to kill that strep, which it will most effectively do if it’s a bacterial strep. And now you felt better and you think now, oh, I’m so much healthier. Well, if you did not let your body go through that, Th1, Th2 response, you will not create antibodies, you do not have circulating antibodies against strep, you just killed it with antibiotic, and you actually have a less healthy immune response. So really, the health of one’s immune system should be defined as, how many circulated antibodies to different pathogens do you have? So do you have a lot of different circulated antibodies to different pathogens? Yes. Then you’re gonna be able to effectively go through a sick ward and not get sick because anything that you were exposed to, you have circulated antibodies to similar pathogens that were able to take those things that you were exposed to so you’re just your normal healthy immune response, and your Th1 inside was able to kill it.

Jason Prall

Yeah, that’s beautiful. I love this. And, you know, it reminds me of just this general idea of hormetic stress, right? And this is a little bit different, but it has to do with this idea of adaptation to a stimulus, right? And these stimuli aren’t necessarily helpful like the sun’s rays, right? These UV rays, we know that these are damaging to DNA, but a little bit allows our body to, not only respond, but we’ve learned to adapt and coexist with these, let’s say, toxins, so to speak, if we wanna call them that, or these things that are harmful such that they actually create a massively beneficial response in the body. So I there’s a fundamental distrust in our biology when it comes to the immune system, when it comes to these pathogens and our interaction with this world that is inherently more viral, more material, more fungal than it is human, right? There’s so much more DNA and organisms that are non-human that we are interacting with. And this is a, you know, and even in our body, right? We’re a walking, talking rainforest of organismic material and DNA that are non-human. So, you know, I think it’s a really important aspect of biology that I think we would really benefit to get more familiar with, which is this idea of kind of what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger. 

And there is a limit to this, right? And I think we see this with the current situation in the world. Some of these things can create such a dramatic immune response and that immune response can be, let’s say, deadly. There can be such a strong response by the body trying to clear these things that it can be problematic. And I’m sure you probably see this in the cancer world too but, so, I guess what I’m pointing to is this idea that there’s this balance of trusting biology and allowing to do what it does. Like a fever, for example, my child had a fever of 103, and we’re getting to that borderline area where it’s, okay, we may wanna start taking some intervention if it gets to 104, 105, 106, right? It can be problematic. And yet, that fever, I believe, is such a beneficial thing that I don’t wanna shut it down at first sight. So maybe talk to me about this sort of balance of managing these symptoms so that they don’t get carried away and cause problems in the body, but allowing the biology to do what it needs to do.

Dr. Kevin Conners

Well, and I think the first step to understanding how to manage that balance is to ask specific questions. So let’s use your son’s fever, okay? So, fever of 103, you have to first go, typically, the question that people ask is, what should I take to get my fever down? That’s a wrong question. The first question you should ask is, why does he have this fever? Oh, well he has the fever because I think he has the same flu that I had last week, all right? Okay, so we know it’s a flu, it’s not a deadly situation that we need to maybe go investigate further and get blood draws and do sample of urine and all this kind of stuff to discern what pathogen it is, because we look at the history behind this. So, oh, it’s the same flu I have so it’s not deadly. Well then, now, we have to watch the fever. Then we go, the fever is his immune response. We know he’s firing this very strong Th1 response, that’s what the fever is. So we don’t want it to get to the point where the fever is too high and it could damage brain cells so let’s keep an eye on it. And then if it does get too high, it’s at 105, maybe we do want to do something to calm that fever down. But even prior to that, how can we help his Th1 response to kill this pathogen? That’s when you go to different herbal things or different nutritional things. How could we assist his immune system in killing this pathogen? So that’s when you look at, well, should we use some medicinal mushrooms, should we use some sort of different polysaccharide, should we use some herbal echinacea, should we use some elderberry, should we use Vitamin C or Zinc to help his immune system do its job? Things that are known to be aids to natural killer cells or macrophage activity and such.

Jason Prall

Yeah, can I tell you what we did too? Because I know you’ll appreciate at this, and I’d love for you to talk about this arm of medicine too, which is that, it did get pretty high. And actually, I think it was caused by teething. And we noticed that twice when he was going through a teething episode, he’d get these massive fevers. And the first time he went through it, he was quite young. And he would get these like, massive nervous system twitches, like whole body seizure type things very quickly, right? And so it was a little disconcerting ’cause he was so little and while I wasn’t afraid for him dying or anything like that, he didn’t like it. It was scaring him and all that, so we wanted to shut that down. So we ended up using like a tepid warm washcloth to kind of cool down his body a little bit. And that brought down the fever. And then from, just like you said, we used herbals and we used homeopathy. And so maybe you can talk to me about homeopathy as one of the tools that you like to use and how that is essentially working in the body for chronic issues.

Dr. Kevin Conners

So like, you probably used some arnica on his teeth or something like that, right? On his gums. So, absolutely. So you’re using, so you’re, again, discerning what is the cause of this. Is it a flu? Is it a virus? Is it a bacterial infection? Is it teething? So it’s pain, most likely, that’s stimulating this because his skin is being broken open, whereas tooth is coming through the gum. Well, that’s a very thick layer of skin. It can cause irritation, and then your body is reacting in this immune response due to the irritation, and then you use something differently. So you wouldn’t necessarily give him polysaccharides and immune boosters ’cause you’re discerning what the cause of it is. You’re giving him more anti-inflammatories to calm that down. So that’s step number one. And that’s how you would decide, you know, what is the treatment procedure for this person? Because you’re basically coming into a working diagnosis.

Jason Prall

And this is exactly what you do in cancer and Lyme and all the other things you work with too, right? You kinda discerned, what’s going on here and how can I take steps to support the body as well as perhaps managing symptoms, right?

Dr. Kevin Conners

Right, and that’s what’s called differential diagnosis. So you’re coming down to the, okay, it could be this, it could be this, it could be this, it could be this, and we’re trying to discern between those four things and what it is based upon the symptoms, and then, you know, doing some assessment and some objective findings to come up with a conclusion that, some working diagnosis that we’re gonna now use a treatment procedure that’s gonna hopefully help that person. But again, that isn’t to reduce necessarily, to reduce the symptoms. Your symptoms are just a sign of something else. So the symptom is the fever, well, why is the fever there? You have to, you don’t treat the fever, you go back to the reason why and you treat the reason why. And sometimes, the symptoms, as we discussed, aren’t thing that you necessarily want to go away. You want to fix the body so that the symptom then, the body takes care of the symptom itself, you’re not treating the symptom.

Jason Prall

And that’s a big thing, right? Like that’s a really big fundamental shift in belief and ideology when it comes to the medical system.

Dr. Kevin Conners

Yeah, well it’s, we’re trained through the practice of pharmaceuticals and all the advertisements that are on television that you treat the symptoms and-

Jason Prall

And it’s easier too, right? It’s sort of a natural human instinct is to get rid of this thing that doesn’t feel good, that’s uncomfortable, right? So it’s understandable why we would go that route. It’s just a lack of standing of really what’s needed to resolve the case.

Dr. Kevin Conners

And we even deal with that, I have this conversation probably weekly with patients with cancer. So again, the definition of cancer is cells that are going into rapid replication. So let’s say a woman has a tumor in her breast and it’s the size of a walnut, and their first inclination is, I want this to be gone. I just want it to be gone. So then they tend to, you know, go the chemotherapy route or go the surgical route and thinking that once it’s gone, then I’m all better. Well, they’ve opened up a whole another can of worms. Often, if they do surgery or you remove it, that tumor is gone but the circulated tumor cells, by that time, have circulated throughout your whole body, then you’ve reduced your immune response by going through surgery and you’ve stimulated all sorts of growth hormones by going through surgery in order to heal that wound, that you set yourself up for a possible metastasis that maybe is not in your best interest. So not that surgery is always bad or chemotherapy is always bad, but you really need to take a step back from it and go, okay, let’s start thinking. Instead of wanting this gone, we want it to just stop replicating. So I have to have conversations with people in this situation that, are you okay… And you have to get to this point of being okay with having that lump there as long as it’s not growing anymore.

Jason Prall

Right.

Dr. Kevin Conners

Well, that’s a defect and I have to constantly be reminded of it, but maybe that’s a good thing that you’re reminded of it. It’s not always a bad thing.

Jason Prall

Keeping you on track, yeah.

Dr. Kevin Conners

Right, that you’re reminded of this. That I wanna stay, you know, that I am still a whole person today, by having this wound here too, you know. So it’s, that’s not always a bad thing, but we live in this perfectionistic world that’s growing narcissism and thinking that everything’s gotta be perfect. Well, that’s just not always the case. So that’s something that we have to work through with people.

Jason Prall

Yeah, and I wanna ask you, if somebody notices a lump or what have you. I’m curious about this idea of biopsy, because there’s some thoughts out there that, you know, when you take a biopsy of a lump, you could do something like seed the cancer into the body and create a metastasis. I’m curious if that’s, if you noticed that that’s a case, does that exist? And if so, how do people go about handling something like a potential lump and figuring out what to do about it?

Dr. Kevin Conners

Well, that is the case and it is the research proof that that does happen. But-

Jason Prall

So maybe explain that a little bit for people who aren’t familiar with it. What are we talking about here?

Dr. Kevin Conners

So, I mean, if you have a lump, let’s say, a lump in your breast, and let’s say it’s three centimeters deep in the breast, and they’re gonna do a needle biopsy where they’ll sticking the needles through healthy tissue, and then it’s going into the lump and they’re taking a core out of that lump, and then pulling it through the skin again, they’re gonna distribute cells. It’s just by microscopically, but it’s just unavoidable. So the deeper the lump is, the more cells you’re gonna distributed. So if you have a lump very close to the surface, are you gonna be distributing very many cells? No. And just because you’re breaking through a tissue sample and pulling it out and you are distributing cells doesn’t mean that those cells are gonna take off and metastasize. So, there’s no, there is evidence that there is an increase in metastasis post biopsy. There is data out there, there’s research out there. However, even saying that, you have to remember that it doesn’t happen all the time. So I’m not against doing a biopsy, I’m just against thinking that you have to do a biopsy. So I’m not against doing chemotherapy, I’m just against thinking that that’s your only option. It’s just, we have to become critical thinkers and we have to do our own research and decide what’s best for us, because just because your sister Alice did a biopsy and did chemotherapy and died, possibly of the chemotherapy, doesn’t mean that’s gonna happened to you. 

So, just because your friend Sally did really well with chemotherapy, and she’s now quote, unquote, “cancer-free” by the medical professional doesn’t mean that’s gonna happen to you. So everybody has to make that individual decision based upon doing some research and becoming a critical thinker and then… I come from a spiritual standpoint and I believe in God, so you have to talk to him and ask him, what’s right for me? And have that spiritual prayer life so that you could discern what’s right for you because it’s not gonna be right for everybody. And that’s what I have against standards of care, is that you get this rubber stamp procedure based upon what? Who created this procedure? These really wise doctors? Really, the pharmaceutical industry, and that’s who put out the procedure for the use of their drugs and use of their procedures, let’s just be honest, doesn’t mean it’s bad, but you have to discern whether it’s right for you. And that’s all I want my patients, to just start asking better questions and don’t make decisions out of fear, worst thing you could do.

Jason Prall

Yeah, it seems like, just listening to you, and this is kind of what I’ve come to the conclusion of myself is that, if you were to come across a potential cancer diagnosis, the kind of the first thing to do is slow everything down. In other words, don’t take any massive action right away. I mean, I guess potentially, there’s really, really life threatening situations and you may need to act quick, but generally speaking, it’s to kind of slow down, evaluate your options, do a little research, inform yourself and go from there. Would you have any other advice to kind of add to that?

Dr. Kevin Conners

Well, that’s very well put. Just put the breaks on, maybe tell your doctor, thank you so much. Thank you for this information. I gotta take this home and pray about this and decide what I’m gonna do next. Pretty much guarantee of most clinics that you go to, most hospitals you go to, they’re gonna put a lot of pressure on you to make a decision.

Jason Prall

And even family too, right? And even family because everybody wants you to be better.

Dr. Kevin Conners

Right. So, it’s difficult. It’s hard. You’re going against the flow by even saying you wanna think about it. And that speaks really poorly of our medical profession. That you can’t even say, hey, I wanna think about this. And we see this what’s going on today with, you know, what? It’s like you can’t even go, hey, maybe this isn’t a good idea. I wanna think about that. And you’re labeled as some quack lunatic for even wanting to think about what you wanna put in your body? That is just really, that’s sorrowful to me, that where this profession of medicine has come to. We have gone so back into the dark ages and when people are so pressured into doing something that is irreversible to their body. So we’re talking about chemotherapy and we’re talking about radiation and surgery. I mean, these are things that it’s difficult to reverse the effects of them, and that you need to have some time to think about and pray about whether that’s right for you.

Jason Prall

Yeah, I love that. And I wanna switch gears here a little bit and get into sort of the preventative aspect of cancer. And the first, I think it’s important that we discuss a little bit about what cancer is, and I’ll kind of help shortcut this process from my perspective, which is that, you know, we used to think that cancer was this genetic thing, right? That if you have the cancer gene, then you get the cancer diagnosis and you’re kind of screwed so you better take out the whatever. And this has what caused a lot of women to have breast surgery before even getting cancers and that kind of thing. But now we know that it has more to do with mitochondria, the health of the mitochondria. It has to do with the health of cell membranes, right? A lot of this, and a lot of this is aging science as well. You know, the same things that are degrading the intelligence of the cell from an aging perspective are the same things or similar things that have to do with cancer, right? We know that there’s certain modes of cellular death that are required. And this is an interesting sort of spiritual or perhaps even religious concept that death is required for life. I find this really interesting in my, you know, I’m writing a book on longevity and that’s really my area of interest. And I think it’s fascinating to note that we have essentially two forms of invincibility in the body. We have stem cells and we have cancer cells, right? Those are kind of the more invincible aspects of cells. And one deem as good, and one we deem as bad, but ultimately, we need these modes of death, and there’s various modes of cellular death that are required, and there happens to be a balance that is required in order to keep the cell healthy and regenerative, right? So maybe just talk to me about the cellular aspects of cancer and what is required to keep the cells healthy from an energetic perspective.

Dr. Kevin Conners

So we talk about the cause of cancer is something getting inside the cell and affecting the nucleus to go into rapid replication, but there’s another piece to that cause, and that, what you just mentioned, is that, normally, when a cell replicates, the mother cell, let’s call it, goes through a process of cell death called apoptosis. There’s other types of cell death. So if you drink a poison, you’ll go through cell death called cell lysis. That’s actually what happens when you use chemotherapy. It’s a poisoning of a cell. So it’s not a normal… So think of apoptosis, it’s actually a process that takes place. There’s intrinsic apoptotic cycle and an extrinsic, meaning, outside of the cell, that affects the cell membrane and stimulates a certain receptor on the cell membrane that turns on this caspase cycle in the cell that causes the cell to go through these things called blebs, actually causes the cell to misshape and misform and break into pieces, and the cell actually is recycled. So it’s actually a recycling of the cell material, the lysosomes in the cell and other organelle in the cell, really works hard to organize this recycling process. So the cell is still, the particles of the cell are still reused by the body. So, normal cell apoptosis, or what’s called normal programed cell death, is taking place constantly in our body.

Jason Prall

I mean, it’s an intelligent process, right?

Dr. Kevin Conners

It’s a very intelligent process. There’s only a few types of cells that don’t do this, your cardiac cells and your neurons. Don’t go through this. They do when you when they’re cleaved off and not necessary, but normally, a neuro cell will live your whole lifetime. The neurons themselves, not necessarily the glial cells. But that apoptotic process is a beautiful process of cell death that’s reusing that material. Lysis on the other had is a pathological death of the cell that the cell literally explodes, makes a giant mess, causes what are called endotoxins, meaning, toxins from inside the body that now your immune system is trying to fire against, that can create a mess of an immune response that is just pro-inflammatory, not real healthy, and then it can clog up detoxification pathways. So that’s why people can get sick from using chemotherapy. It’s cell lysis of cancer cells. Well, that would be great if it was only cell lysis of cancer cells, but unfortunately, it’s not gonna be just specific to cancer cells, it’s gonna cause cell lysis to healthy cells causing all this mess that, now, you’re liver pathways can be overwhelmed, especially if you have genetic issues with different liver pathways, detox pathways, and it could just make you feel ill and fatigued because you’re basically poisoning yourself. 

So yes, there is a beautiful thing. Life comes through death and there is that right form of cell death that is supposed to take place in a healthy individual. And part of the cancer, helping a person with cancer, the cancer healing process is to help stimulate cell death of the cancer cells. Because… Let’s use estrogen positive breast cancer, as an example. So estrogen positivity of breast cancer doesn’t mean that estrogen has caused the increased replication. So, in truth, estrogen is not, even bad estrogen is not causing the cancer, but bad estrogen, the specific type of estrogen that is estrogen positive cancer can attach to these certain receptors on your cell membrane called adol receptors that are actually apoptotic receptors. So they attach to that receptor, not allowing the cell to go through apoptosis. That’s what makes, that’s what ER positive and PR positive and HER2 positive cancers are, is disruption of that receptor on the cell membrane. And there’s some very specific nutrients that can help dislodge that estrogen from that receptor. From a standard medical procedure, they give aromatase inhibitors and estrogen blockers that just literally shut down a person’s, all their estrogen in their body that has side effects. But there are some natural things that you can do to help dislodge those estrogens.

Jason Prall

What are a couple of those, actually? Just name a few.

Dr. Kevin Conners

Well, for instance, fermented soy. Soy is not necessarily recommended for people with estrogen positive cancer, but a fermented soy acts completely different. That is actually a dislodger of the four hydroxyl from the adol receptors, that could work for that. There’s other things. There’s different lignans and things that can help with that. And then you would also use different products like DIM.

Jason Prall

Diindolylmethane, right?

Dr. Kevin Conners

Yep, can help pull the bad estrogens out of the body as well so.

Jason Prall

Beautiful. Yeah, I just love always giving really practical examples of people who are working through that themselves. So let’s get to that. So, for those who, you know, are worried about cancer, perhaps it runs in their family. And actually, give your opinion on this ’cause I do believe there is, let’s say, a genetic component to most diseases. In other words, we do kind of pass down epigenetic responses, I believe, from my experience, which doesn’t mean that they’re permanent and they can’t be changed, but there are things that get past delineations. What’s your thoughts on that?

Dr. Kevin Conners

Well, two different things. There are some specific cancer genes that can be passed on like Lidge syndrome. It’s a specific gene that if you have that gene, the chance of you getting colon cancer is fairly high, but those are pretty rare. It’s less than 5% of the cancers really have a primary genetic component. The secondary genetic component is, let’s say I’m born with a lot of defects on my detoxification pathways. So primary detoxification pathway in my liver is my cytochrome P450, that’s a specific gene that makes specific enzymes that do help pull junk outta my blood to get rid of it. But let’s say I have a whole bunch of defects that I inherited from my mother and father of the cytochrome P450 pathway. I’m gonna be a slower detoxifier. Does that mean I have an increased possibility of cancer? Yeah, kinda. Because, something, again, cancer is something gets inside the cell and affects that cell replication cycle at the nucleus. Well, what is that something? Most of the time, it’s some sort of toxin that has to get rid of through our detoxification pathways. Yeah, if I had all these defects in my cytochrome P450 pathway, but I live in this perfect bubble where I’m not exposed to all sorts of herbicides and pesticides and chemicals and coloring and, yeah, all this crap, if I wasn’t exposed to that, then, no, it would not increase the possibility of my cancer, but we are exposed to that. Even if you’re eating organic and doing everything you possibly can, you’re still exposed to poisons. And knowing, let’s say, if you did a genetic profile and you knew you had detox pathway issues, then you could even make better choices maybe, or you could use some specific nutraceuticals that would help support that knowing that I have those defects. So there’s benefits to doing some investigation when you’re healthy so that you could help yourself remain healthy.

Jason Prall

Beautiful. And I know that, you know, every patient that you work with is an individual, and so you evaluate them as such and give recommendations accordingly. But on the general, on the whole, what are some things that you really like to advise both your patients and those who are looking to change their lifestyle, change their habit and the way that they’re living, so that they can do their best to avoid cancer in the future. And again, I think what I’m asking is, is some of these general things that even your patients that you’re starting to recommend to them, on a lifestyle perspective, of how to improve their situation.

Dr. Kevin Conners

Well, again, probably the biggest cause of cancer is chemicals that we’re exposed to. So if you can limit those, that’s number one. So you cannot eliminate those, let’s just be honest, but you can limit them. I gotta clean up what I gotta use in my house as cleaners, I gotta use different laundry detergent, I gotta start getting rid of chemicals in my house.

Jason Prall

In the food.

Dr. Kevin Conners

Yup, and then your diet. So then I gotta get rid of chemicals in my diet. Well, how are you gonna do that? Well, start eating organic. Start with simple. Start looking at, Google clean 15 dirty dozen, and just start there. Well, I can’t afford to buy organic, just don’t buy anything but organic in the dirty dozen list.

Jason Prall

The worst foods. The dirty dozen are the ones that are just really, really horrific if they’re not organic.

Dr. Kevin Conners

You should never buy anything but organic potatoes. And so it’s just, those are the things that you could just start making those decisions. When you go out to eat, try to make better choices. There’s a lot of information about this out there.

Jason Prall

And real quick, I wanna push back a little bit on this argument that is out there about, I can’t afford to eat organic. And while I understand the sentiment, and there’s a truth to what’s being said there, there’s the other side, which is that, it’s interesting that when we take that position, some of us still, we feel like we can afford the potato chips and the sodas and these basically non-food items, right? So, it’s interesting that if I, I found, for me, personally, as I made that transition, that when I stopped buying a lot of the processed foods, even something like organic apple chips, which come in this little bag and it’s like four bucks or something like that, so much more expensive than on organic apple. So the organic apples, I don’t even know what it is, maybe a buck or 69 cents or whatever it might be, so much cheaper than an bag of organic apple chips. Let alone, even the non-organic ones. So if we eliminate a lot of the processed foods which come with their own issues, nutritionally, and from a cancer perspective, now, all of a sudden, we can afford the organic food if we go back to eating real food.

Dr. Kevin Conners

Yeah, you know, most anybody that’s listed into this has a computer or a cell phone, so you can’t use that excuse at all, right? So it is different lifestyle choices that you make.

Jason Prall

And it’s hard, right? At first it can be hard. So I wanna acknowledge that as well.

Dr. Kevin Conners

Yeah, and we don’t wanna diminish that changing your life is difficult. But if we don’t change our life and we get an outcome that we don’t like, well, we have to take some of that blame and we just have to be okay with that. So, and we’re not here to blame people or to shame anybody. It’s just, we gotta fix what we gotta fix and try to make the decisions that we gotta make. And we try to encourage people to try to live like a 90/10 lifestyle. You’ll do the best you can 90% of the time, and if you just are addicted to a piece of cake and you wanna eat that, well, then that’s all right. Just kind of keep that in your bank account that you could use that.

Jason Prall

Yeah, it’s important to give yourself grace. In fact, one of my patterns that I’ve been working on with my personal growth is not to be so hard on myself, not to be such a big self critic, right? Because that, internally, is damaging as well. If we’re too hard on ourselves, if we’re going through these emotional turmoils trying to make these changes, that can also have an effect, right?

Dr. Kevin Conners

Oh, huge effect. That’s what we could get into talking about. Your sympathetic and parasympathetic tone and what that does. Because it’s really your health or your immune system that’s gonna help ward a lot of this stuff off.

Jason Prall

Yeah, so talk to me about that. Why is it such an important aspect that we understand sympathetic, parasympathetic and how does that affect immune system and cancer?

Dr. Kevin Conners

Well, we can talk about the chemistry of cancer, that’s what we’re talking about. Diet and staying away from chemicals and stuff like that, but we have to talk about the neurology of it too. So the neurology of how our body deals with this stuff is, you have what’s called an autonomic nervous system to think automatic. So you don’t have to think about your heart beating, you don’t have to think about your liver livering, you don’t even have to know you have a liver for it to be working. So these are autonomic things, things that are going on behind the scenes. Well, the autonomic nervous system is separated into two pieces, your sympathetic and your parasympathetic. So your sympathetic is your fight or flight or freeze type, that’s what that system does. It’s to deal with crises. So polar bear jumps down in front of you, you’re gonna have a very distinct set of physiological responses. Your eyes are gonna dilate, your bronchial tubes are gonna dilate in order for you to get a lot of oxygen into your lungs very quickly, your heartbeat is gonna raise, your blood pressure is gonna go up, your blood vessels are gonna constrict, you’re gonna shunt blood to the extremities so you can run as fast as you can away from that polar bear, to get away from that crisis. But other things are gonna completely shut down. Your parasympathetic system is gonna shut down. Your parasympathetic is responsible for your entire immune response. If a polar bear is chasing you, you don’t need to deal with the virus right now. Your parasympathetic controls your sexual response. You don’t need to think about procreation if a polar bear is chasing you. Your parasympathetic controls all your detoxification pathways. You don’t need to think about getting rid of mercury. You’re gonna get eaten by a bear. So if we stay, if we get stuck in a sympathetic overdrive, call it stress. So we don’t have polar bear chasing us in this country. We have tax deadlines.

Jason Prall

We got the news. We got social media.

Dr. Kevin Conners

That’s right. And this has been a huge detriment of cell phones. Is that you have contact with the news and events constantly. And we are actually getting a dopamine response. I mean, we’re gonna say, so I gotta check my email. Did somebody email me today? Or how many likes did I have on my post? And we get these dopamine responses. These are sympathetic toll responses. Our sympathetic nervous system is extremely imbalanced and our parasympathetic is shut down and we wonder why we can’t effectively create a B cell response to make antibodies against the virus that we shouldn’t be even be thinking about or why we can’t fight off cancer? Because we’re stuck in this sympathetic tone and if… The neurology of detoxification is you have to have a parasympathetic balance. You have to be in a greater state of parasympathetic over sympathetic in order to really detoxify.

Jason Prall

I wanna add something to that cell phone comment, because what I’ve noticed is, and I actually got rid of most of my social media off my phone. It’s not a big part of my life anymore, which I’m very grateful for. I feel so much better because of that. But even just these little dings and these little notifications that we get, like the little badges or whatever that might show up in your phone of, how many emails you come through, or you get a text, or, you know, I have WhatsApp, we have all this communication going on, on our phones, even in this interview, I had to shut down like three or four different things, because it’s gonna go bing and boom, and every time that those things… And people can do this experiment with themselves. If you just sit there and you kind of meditate, or you just relax and you just breathe, and then you hear these dings and bings, it actually snaps you into a different state immediately. And so this is a chronic form of, we might say low level stimulus from a sympathetic perspective, but if this low level sympathetic drive is going on all the time, and then occasionally we get popped up into a stressful email or a financial situation that’s a little disconcerting or what have you, or we get a news, you know, or media hit that’s… We’re constantly being bombarded with this sympathetic pulse that is just never ending.

Dr. Kevin Conners

Yeah, it’s very unhealthy. It is really unhealthy. And, you know, I challenge people to just, okay, take your phone, turn it off and live without it for a couple days. See what that does to you. You will probably, you’ll notice that you’re addicted to this dopamine.

Jason Prall

Yeah, you might even have a stressful response to shutting it off at first.

Dr. Kevin Conners

Yes, you’ll have a stressful response to shutting it off and then you will be like anxious. I gotta see who who’s responding or who’s trying to get a hold of me or who’s this, and it’s like, gosh, what I was growing up, we had a telephone that you didn’t even have call waiting on.

Jason Prall

Isn’t it almost hard to remember those times? Because I was like kind of that last generation before cell phones really took over, and I almost do forget what it was like to not have something demanding of my time and attention constantly.

Dr. Kevin Conners

We just don’t even remember the piece that was there.

Jason Prall

Yeah, yeah So real quickly, because, and we’re gonna wrap up a little bit here and I just… Just name a few other things that you like to recommend for, do a meditation perhaps, breathwork. What are some things that, and of course, it’s not for everybody. If you can just list as many things that you like to give to people who are trying to avoid cancer or perhaps if they have cancer, what they can do to improve their situation?

Dr. Kevin Conners

Well, if you’re trying to avoid cancer, you’re looking at the chemistry, you’re looking at diet and things like that. There’s a lot of information out there about that. Maybe less information about looking at the neurology, try to stimulate. That’s why we recommend highly using coffee enemas for our cancer patients, because coffee enemas stimulate your parasympathetics. So there are numerous different little seemingly silly exercises that a person could do to stimulate your parasympathetics. I have a blog post of that to how to stimulate your parasympathetics and calm your sympathetic. So there’s some different things that a person can do, on a daily basis, that would help that procedure. The biggest, largest things are like trying to get rid of stress in your life, trying to reduce over stresses that you can easily recognize if you’re in an abusive situation, you’re constantly stuck in a sympathetic response, which is very unhealthy. That’s why people that have abusive relationships with their spouse or their job or their boss or something, tend to have much higher rate of cancers. So getting rid of those. Obviously, people can recognize a lot of that in their life, but it’s the other little things, If they wanna check out that blog post, it could be little teeny things that they can do that could be helpful with that. 

And then, as a Christian, I’d recommend people just have that quiet time with God so that they can listen and they can hear what God is trying to speak to them and tell them, because I believe that we serve sovereign God and even cancer is within his realm, it was no surprise to him. So you have to go, okay, what do I have to learn from this instead of cursing it saying, what a blessing this could be in my life? How can this be a blessing in my life? You started off the conversation that we wanna label things as good or bad. To me, I think that comes from the garden of Eden when people, when he was given the choice to eat this apple, and you will be able to discern good from evil, it is that we are able, we label things as good and evil now, instead of seeing everything as good in life, even disease, even a cancer, even a fatal cancer, that I can’t do anything about, that I may die from, it’s still good. And that it’s that, we probably lost half the audience right now, but it’s still good in that there could be a blessing that comes out of this and I can be a blessing to others because of this. And if we can see our life that way, even things that we wanna label as bad, we could find much joy where other people don’t.

Jason Prall

Yeah, that’s beautiful. And I think, you know, you don’t have to be over the religious but there’s not really much of a downside to opening up a dialogue with the divine, right? I mean, it’s free medicine.

Dr. Kevin Conners

That’s right.

Jason Prall

And look, if you don’t believe, worst case, nothing happens, right? You don’t lose anything. So I love that advice, and I think, in my experience, I wasn’t raised religious. I wasn’t raised in that path and yet that’s something that I find is invaluable in my path and in health, and it really does a lot to the emotional aspect to the mental aspect and to the spiritual quality of life, is just to trust in the divine. And so before we wrap up, I wanna last, I wanna just cover a few things for those that maybe have a recent diagnosis, or they’re trying to help somebody else with a diagnosis. What are some of these quote, unquote, “alternative therapies” that you like to look to? And I know we could go on for hours about how these things work and what they do and the benefits, but just give a list of some things that you like to use in variety of cases just to bring a greater awareness of what’s out there and the tools that are available to people that may have a diagnosis.

Dr. Kevin Conners

Well, I’m very keen of the Rife machine, Royal Rife’s technology, that’s just… That’s how I started down this cancer journey myself and we’ve just seen a lot of miracles with it. So Rife is frequency-based medicine using light frequency. So I personally wouldn’t try to treat cancer without using a Rife.

Jason Prall

And do you use this for Lyme and other things too like autism?

Dr. Kevin Conners

Yup.

Jason Prall

Is it helpful in that?

Dr. Kevin Conners

It really works on yours cells. So anything that is a living organism. So any sort of biotoxin. It can really help kill viruses and bacteria and cancer cells, that’s really what it shines for. So let’s say, if my main issue is a mercury toxicity, well then Rife is probably the best tool. But if it’s a biotoxin of any kind or your old cells, the Rife is really a great modality to use.

Jason Prall

I got turned on to frequency use through Dr. Hulda Clark’s work. She wrote some great books back in the day. Very similar to Royal Rife and some of those early pioneers in that frequency work. And I just find it so fascinating, and there seems to be, up until, well, there seemed to be a big gap in the research and the acceptance of that idea, and I thank God it’s coming back, but there seemed to be a lot of positive effects that were noted in the science back in decades ago.

Dr. Kevin Conners

Well, you can’t argue with it from quantum physics perspective, we’re all just frequencies. Vibrated and , just energy vibrated in a frequency. So to poo-poo that is to poo-poo…

Jason Prall

Do not take it seriously, yeah.

Dr. Kevin Conners

It’s just, are you kidding? I have had people say, oh, I don’t believe in frequencies. It’s like, okay, how did you just get that call on your cell phone?

Jason Prall

Right, you see the light over there?

Dr. Kevin Conners

So it’s silly, but, yeah, but there’s no money in it so you’re not gonna get the pharmaceutical company be able to brand anything and patent anything.

Jason Prall

Right, so what are some other things that you like to use? And I love that, that you use Rife machines.

Dr. Kevin Conners

Well, definitely there’s a whole array of different nutraceuticals. It’s no secret. If you look at our website, that my favorite are probably the polysaccharides that are in mushrooms and aloe, that can be so beneficial and stimulating in immune response because they’re immune modulators. So if you need an immune response to kill something, they build up that whole natural killer cell, T cell, macrophage, response to kill bacteria or cancer.

Jason Prall

And I’ve had tremendous success with things like turkey tail, maitake, reishi, what are some other ones that you like? These cordyceps is another one that I love.

Dr. Kevin Conners

Yeah, those are the biggies right there. Chaga also, and a combination, I like combo products because there’s different, so polysaccharides are long chain saccharides and a certain bond that’s makes it different than a carbohydrate polysaccharide. And there are different lakes, and different mushrooms have different polysaccharides with different lakes in them that affect your immune cells in different ways. So there’s a benefit to a combination of how we work as we test people on what they have to be on, because like in my book “Stop Fighting Cancer”, I list probably a hundred different, very valid, very known, nutraceutical cancer killers that have a lot of testimonials on, but how do I know what’s right for me?

Jason Prall

Yeah, I’m curious if you used agarikon. I know that’s a really big one for like longevity research and…

Dr. Kevin Conners

Yep, yep. That’s another good one too. So I have a new book coming out on mushrooms. This is short booklet to give people a lot of research articles. And it’s like, you hear people like, there’s no research on mushrooms, and I started writing this book it’s like, oh, my word, it’s like, which articles am I gonna use in my citations? Because there are so much research showing all the different medicinal mushrooms have immune benefits against cancer.

Jason Prall

I love that you wrote a book on that because it’s one of those topics that, when I started looking into it, I actually almost got scared. Because it’s like, oh my God. Like, I believed in mushrooms, and now that I’m researching it I’m like, there’s more research than I know to do with, and then the benefits are endless. It’s almost like, I give up, I give up, I believe ’em all, you know. And it’s something that I hear from like Paul Stamets and some of those other people that are in the mushroom world. And it’s like, these benefits are just unbelievable. I mean, the more I look into it, the more in love with these mushrooms I fall.

Dr. Kevin Conners

Yeah, they’re my favorite.

Jason Prall

Yeah. 

Dr. Kevin Conners

But there’s a lot of other things out there, and it would be hard to name all of them, but definitely, things that are gonna be immune stimulators, to get your immune woke up against this cancer that’s growing inside you. Because again, that is really the reason why it has taken hold, is there was an immune suppression at some point in time, and we need to get it to your immune system to look at this cancer again as a bad guy so that it could kill it.

Jason Prall

Do you ever use something like hyperbaric oxygen therapy? Is that something that you found successful?

Dr. Kevin Conners

We do, we have hyperbaric in our clinic. There’s negatives to it because all the research on hyperbaric, most of it is good with cancer-

Jason Prall

You kind of pulse with it, right? Like, that’s one of the best ways.

Dr. Kevin Conners

Yeah, but you have to do it daily though, to begin with. So that’s the only difficult thing, is people getting to a center to do it. And you are in it an hour, so there’s just that time constraints with hyperbaric oxygen. Now, if everybody could just buy a hyperbaric oxygen tank for their home, that would be best, but they’re a little bit cost prohibitive. And they tend to be better with the brain cancers.

Jason Prall

Right, okay.

Dr. Kevin Conners

So we do recommend it for brain cancer with a lot of people. There’s other things like IV therapies and things that are beneficial too, but we, again, we test a person to see what’s gonna be best for them so they’re not wasting time or energy or money or overwhelming their detox pathways, taking too many things. We really believe that less is more when it comes to nutritional therapies for cancer patients.

Jason Prall

Right, and I don’t wanna oversimplify what you guys do, because I know it’s a really, really specific practice that you get into, but just generally speaking, it sounds like improving the detox pathways, really targeting the immune system for more balanced and effective response, and then the neurology of it, which is to enhance the parasympathetic side, those seems to be kind of the three main legs. Within them, there’s a lot of different therapies and a lot of approaches, but am I missing something in that?

Dr. Kevin Conners

No, that would be good. That’d be a good summary of that. That’s important for everybody even if you don’t have cancer. You need to be working on these things.

Jason Prall

Beautiful. Well, Dr. Conners, you’re a wealth of information. I love that you keep writing books and keep summarizing your knowledge for us and keep educating. So thank you so much for what you do and thanks for showing up today and dropping all this on us.

Dr. Kevin Conners

Absolutely. Thank you, Jason, for having me. I appreciate it.