Full Transcript Podcast Introduction and Guest Welcome 0:03 Hey everybody, welcome to the Eat Pray Faith podcast with Dr. Tracy. That's me. 0:07 And today I'm more than honored to have on one of my best friends in the whole 0:12 world, my mentor, someone that I just highly respect in 0:16 the industry, Jamie Dorley, who is the owner and CEO of Nutritional Frontiers. 0:21 And I think everybody knows that I used to work there. I still speak for them. 0:25 I'm a brand ambassador by far number one favorite product company in the 0:30 industry. So we are going to have an exceptional conversation on men's health 0:36 hormones and the impact on mental health along with some other things. So Jamie, 0:40 I'm so glad you're here. Dr. Tracy Strop, I'm so excited. I can't believe 0:45 this. Thanks so much for having me on again and uh you know, thanks for those 0:49 very kind and warm words. Uh I still remember uh coming out to your office. 0:54 um like almost 10 years ago and for a half hour meeting and three hours later 1:00 we solved the world's problems and like how do we tell everyone else about this? 1:05 So I'm excited. Thanks for having me on. Trying to figure that out a decade later 1:09 we're like well why can't people get this? I don't know. So I'm excited 1:13 because I know that you're so passionate. I mean you're a man's man. 1:17 You know what I mean? Like out of the bodybuilding industry. So give us a 1:21 little bit of background on you so people get the relevance of why I've 1:23 asked you to come in and talk about men's health. Wow, what a compliment, a 1:26 man's man in this world today. So I really appreciate that. Um, you know, I 1:31 grew up in the 70s, class 86, of course, the favorite class, but my brother's 5 1:35 years older and he was, um, you know, always a guy I looked up to. I chased 1:40 him around as a little kid and uh, you know, he was working out already and 1:44 then pumping iron came out and he let me watch it with them and then next thing 1:48 you know, that was it. We had the weight set in the bedroom. Eventually that 1:52 became the basement. And uh growing up back then as a husky or stocky or chubby 1:57 kid. Um you know I didn't realize how important the diet nutrition was till I 2:02 got in high school and college. But I was always uh working out with my 2:06 brother. I love sports. I loved any kind of games with other kids. And you know 2:11 um going to Slippy Rock out in Western PA. They had a barbell club which uh was 2:16 started by a famous bodybuilder. um Carl list and the camaraderie and the 2:22 excitement and the enthusiasm. Then everyone would go eat together after the 2:27 calf and they actually had a special uh menu for the bodybuilders or 2:31 weightlifterss and you can get your baked potatoes and your chicken breast 2:35 and your fish and your hard-boiled eggs. So I carry all stuff around on campus. 2:39 And um I realized at that time that what you eat determines how you 2:47 look and feel and train and think and sleep. I know it sounds so simple now, 2:52 but when you're growing up, you think people are either in shape or they're 2:55 not because they're eating the same things I'm I'm eating. But as I started 2:59 to eat differently, um and one of my first professors as a freshman was Dr.
Jamie Dorleyu2019s Background in Fitness and Nutrition 3:04 Marcy Leeds. She was a tree hugger. She rode a bike to class and had the apple 3:08 on the desk, but she would um and we had intro to nutrition and uh it was me and 3:14 a lot of f male and female bodybuilders and the I still remember the 3:18 conversations in the class about amino acids and protein and carbs and fats and 3:23 training. And I was just blown away as I changed my diet, did my first uh natural 3:28 bodybuilding competition. Um, some people were shocked, you know, like, 3:32 "Wow, you changed your body like that in like four months." And I was just blown 3:36 away. And one of the coolest things ever was Timmy Duca, we called him a guru in 3:41 college. He wrote my diet up for me as a coach without charging me back then, 3:46 right? And I'd go to his place once a week and he, you know, analyze what I 3:52 was doing. And I think just the excitement of seeing your body change 3:56 like that that changed my whole uh life path. The other thing that happened is I 4:01 got diagnosed with an autoimmune condition right before I started this 4:04 nutritional program psoriasis and found out through a lot of digging and 4:10 research and talking to people that uh could be tied into candida or liver 4:15 congestion. And um that started to go away when my diet changed and uh my skin 4:22 changed, my mood changed, my body changed, my life changed, everything 4:26 changed. And ever since then, I've been hooked, you know, and times I've 4:30 deviated due to stress or living um and wasn't as healthy with times everything 4:36 kind of goes sour. So, you know, my story's been one from uh growing up and 4:41 um really by trial and error and other people helping me. That's why I'm so 4:45 passionate and excited about it because I want to instill that empowerment in 4:49 other people. And over the years, it's changed, you know, growing with the 4:53 faith and growing with mind, body, and spirit. You know, it's become a full 4:57 wellness program, not just the exercise and dieting anymore. And um I tell 5:02 people, I says, "It's not a punishment. You know, we're not health nuts. You 5:07 know, you're a sick nut. We're not health nuts." Like, there's a there's a 5:11 reason for this, right? So, I'm extremely uh passionate about it. I'm at 5:15 the uh World of Wellness Wellness Weekend right now. And you know, I don't 5:19 look at as a job. It's a mission. You know, we talk about our mission is 5:22 really to make the world healthy. So, I worked in sports nutrition in the '9s. 5:27 Uh I went to work um with Metagenics in the early 2000s with Dr. Bland and the 5:32 Khaki family. Another life-changing event. And then uh after they sold the 5:36 first time, we started Nutritional Frontiers in uh 17 years ago. Whoa. 5:41 Yeah. I can't believe it's been 17 years. That's amazing, isn't it? Uh 5:46 yeah. And uh people would say, "Would you do it all over again?" This is not 5:49 if I knew it would be this hard. Right. Right. Maybe maybe some parts of it, not 5:54 the whole thing. Yeah. I was blown away. We'll continue. I don't want to cut off. 5:59 No, I think that the coolest part of the journey is meeting people like you, 6:03 other like-minded people, watching our events go from, you know, seven people 6:07 to 200 people, you know, and really see this movement like of wellness that is, 6:13 you know, when I was in college, wasn't that long ago, they just the WHO, World 6:18 Health Organization, just defined wellness as more than the absence of 6:22 symptoms to optimize. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's pretty amazing. And here we 6:28 are all these years later. So, you know, Jamie, I told you before we got on the 6:31 podcast, this whole month I've been focusing on men's health. And I think if 6:36 we go back to the alipathic system, and I I call it the system. I'm not talking 6:40 about doctors and nurses within the system because there are good ones. 6:43 There are some really terrible ones, but there are good ones. But the system 6:46 itself is not designed to look at the full body. And this whole month we 6:52 dedicated to men because you know they're not tested enough as a 6:58 preventative. They it's a reaction to an issue, right? So a guy has a heart 7:03 attack and then all of a sudden we're talking about lifestyle. So one of the 7:07 big things that I wanted to talk about with you today was a few a few features, 7:12 right? Number one, the value of proper hormones in health. We're going to talk 7:18 about that. but men's mental health as well. And I went through and I looked up 7:23 some statistics and I I just I'm going to read these off because I think 7:26 they're eye opening. So, one in eight men will experience depression. 7:31 Suicide is the seventh leading cause of death for all men and much is connected 7:37 to unadressed mental health with underlying hormone dysfunction. Low 7:42 testosterone affects 40% of men over 45. I think that's amazing. that contributes 7:48 to fatigue, depression, brain fog, and weight gain. Uh, studies show that 7:53 chronic stress disregulates cortisol, which suppresses serotonin, GABA, 7:58 dopamine, leading to anxiety and and burnout. And we know that most of that 8:02 is created in the gut. I think one of the biggest stats was over 500,000 8:07 people commit suicide every year and 80% of them are men. So with those stats we 8:14 can go back to guys don't share their feeling feelings they hold everything 8:18 inside. I believe that. But I also believe that there is a contributing 8:23 factor that builds over time, right? If we talk about gut dispiosis and the 8:28 connection to the brain, if we talk about hormone levels and mood 8:33 regulation, that was a big one that I did on the first podcast in this series 8:37 where I talked about testosterone being one of the main contributing hormones 8:42 that happens mostly during puberty and then throughout life, but it regulates 8:47 mood. So I want to get some information from you today about your expertise in 8:54 this field you know and even talking about strength training and everything 8:58 else and how that impacts mood I mean lifestyle matters absolutely but it's 9:03 not a topic that we talk about enough mental health men hormones definitely 9:08 not we don't test guys hormones I mean testosterone got such a bad rap when you 9:12 talk about pumping iron right everybody attributes testosterone to a horse 9:16 steroid it's natural natural. I actually had a gentleman who told me his doctor 9:21 said that testosterone following through life is natural and that you don't have 9:26 to worry about it if it's low when you're older. He's 55 years old. And I 9:31 said, "Excuse me, you still produce testosterone. It's just that the 9:35 aromatase enzyme then converts it to estrogen, which is not what's supposed 9:40 to happen because of your insulin resistance and your stress. So, you're 9:44 converting it the wrong way. still producing his tea, his free testosterone 9:47 was still the same. So, this is wildly mismanaged. So, first give me your 9:53 thoughts on all of that and then I have some questions I'm going to ask you. Oh, 9:57 all of that. One question, 27 parts, right? Well, it's fascinating because 10:03 you're describing my life, right? Um I feel what happens with with a lot of 10:08 men. You have two types of men, right? The one that plays sports growing up and 10:11 one that doesn't. And I really have a lot of empathy for the one that doesn't 10:16 because they don't have a base, right? And then the athlete may be even worse, 10:21 right? Cuz I played sports growing up. I was in natural bodybuilding. Um and then 10:26 in my 30s, which happens to a lot of men, the 30s is a tough decade. You 10:31 know, you think everything's cool, like you got through the 20s. No, 10:34 everything's just starting because you have a family, you have a career, you're 10:38 trying to figure everything out and juggle everything. And what goes out the
Menu2019s Hormones, Mental Health, and Metabolic Dysfunction 10:41 window? usually the diet, right? The exercise, what goes up, the stress, the 10:47 alcohol, the bad foods, right? And then um men don't know what's going on. Maybe 10:53 sexual function isn't there. Maybe they're not having intimacy. Um I was 10:58 fortunate cuz what happened with me is that I started gaining weight and wasn't 11:03 sure what was going on. And I went to one of my doctors, David Klein in 11:07 Orlando who's an MD, and he says,"I can tell you and I can show you what's 11:12 going on with blood work." He says, "Your thyroid for some reason is shut 11:16 down, probably because of soy." He says, "And I and your blood sugars are bad. I 11:22 can fix it for you, but let me show you on the blood work." Testosterone 168. 11:28 Whoa. Yeah. So for people listening right normal is 200 to around 900 but 11:35 functional for men 600 600 or above right 600. 11:42 Yeah we like 500 or more. Um so 168 he says um do you weep during sad movies? 11:50 He was call me a woman right and he's he's just that kind of guy. He wanted to 11:54 get the reaction. He goes your thyroid shut down. That's why your weight's 11:57 going up. I said, "Doc, I'm not eating anything more than I used to." He says, 12:01 "Well, you're eating like you used to do when you competed. You're not 12:04 competing." He says, "Your testosterone is really low, your blood sugars are 12:08 high, and your thyroid shut down." He said, "Hence the hair loss, hence the 12:14 weight gain, gynecomastia, low testosterone, and depression, right? 12:19 Just being totally vulnerable." I know I know. I go through that one because I 12:24 just want people to understand the term, right? We call We call them moves, 12:28 right? Man. Yeah. Yeah. Mov. Yeah. Moves. Yeah. Yeah. Mine are good, right? 12:34 Yeah. So, what happens is um if you're a a male and you tend to um have the 12:41 propensity to gain a little more weight, like I could always gain weight. I had 12:45 more weight in my legs and butt like a woman, you tend to have higher estrogen 12:50 levels. Okay? And if you have conversion of testosterone to estrogen um with DHT, 12:57 right, the testosterone converts to DHT. And this interesting thing that pushes 13:03 this whole pathway is blood sugar and insulin resistance. Right. Right. So now 13:08 you have a conversion of your testosterone going to estrogen. So woman 13:14 naturally has more body fat. Women naturally have more breast tissue. So if 13:20 you're noticing that a man is starting to build fat around the breast, around 13:24 their nipples and the chest area, in their legs or butt, it's automatic 13:30 estrogen increase, right? So 10, you know, then here comes the term 13:36 gynecomastia. That's why you may see a bodybuilder that's taking too much 13:41 testosterone, the body's converting it to estrogen because it has to process it 13:46 and then, you know, they have those. Um, so I use a formula called estro cleanse 13:52 because it's going to help process my hormones in a natural way so that I 13:57 don't get that. It also helps with abdominal fat. So, this is a very 14:01 complex topic. We're going to simplify it today, but you know, I was showing 14:07 signs of depression. I wouldn't say severe, but definitely mood issues. And 14:11 then the ultimate one that really kicked in that was a killer was the insomnia. 14:16 Oh, right. between the low thyroid, the low testosterone, the insulin 14:21 resistance, the mood issues, and then the sleep. And remember, you build most 14:26 of your hormones between what, like 3 and 6 a.m. roughly. So if you're not 14:31 sleeping, you're not building your growth hormone. You're not building your 14:34 testosterone. You know, you're not managing your cortisol. So all these 14:39 things were happen to me. And then you can lump it into that term metabolic 14:43 syndrome. Syndrome X, right? And that was me. Even though I'd worked in the 14:48 field, um, but I wasn't in the gym anymore. I was traveling in the doctor's 14:53 offices, didn't have access to the same consistency 14:57 um with the workouts and the diet and u too much alcohol, right? You starts out, 15:02 you have a beer or two, then you're going to dinners for work with wine and 15:05 all these things. So, it's a recipe for disaster. And I would say most men that 15:11 have issues in their 40s and 50s, this started probably in their late 20s or 15:16 30s, right? Yeah. So all I mean that's such great information and and really 15:22 relevant to share your experience because it's not something that you guys 15:25 don't sit around you know the fire and talk about your low tea. I mean maybe 15:29 you do. I don't know. I'm not part of those conversations but it's not 15:33 discussed and it's also not recognized. I you're funny that you the doctor said 15:38 you cry at movies. So I had a client come in. He was I mean his his number 15:44 one symptom was he cried at everything and he was like I'm not like this. I 15:48 don't cry like this. He's like I am crying all the time. And so I was like 15:53 well let's work on gut health. And then all of a sudden I was sitting here and 15:56 we were about a month and a half into his protocol. Got a little bit better 15:59 and it just dawned on me and I'm like testosterone. I was like I called his 16:05 wife and I was like we got to test this testosterone. And she was like oh okay. 16:08 So we did and it was around 200 very low you know here was a man that was always 16:13 a man's man athlete like outdoorsy and something happened where his insulin 16:18 resistance went up when we fixed his gut it helped with that when we changed his 16:22 diet it helped with that but he needed a bump right so we started to utilize some 16:27 products to get his testosterone up testo 180 etc etc and we're going to 16:32 talk about those today but I just remember sitting here thinking oh my 16:36 gosh like number one sign was crying. And I I don't think that men realize how 16:42 much testosterone impacts mood. Uh they look when they're aggravated like they 16:48 have too much testosterone. And that's not the case. It's because you have an 16:51 imbalance of serotonin and dopamine and GABA. So, you know, testosterone is 16:57 going to modulate that serotonin receptors in the brain. And testosterone 17:02 also enhances dopamine production. But testosterone metabolizes and modulates 17:08 GABA receptors as well. So that entire pathway of feeling good is heavily 17:14 dependent on testosterone. Now thyroid connected to testosterone, that's a 17:19 great thing you brought up because normally when you're insulin resistant, 17:23 high estrogen, and you have a lot of stress, aka cortisol, your RT3, your 17:28 reverse T3 will be high and your testosterone will be be low. And I 17:33 talked to Dr. Silva about this. He's going to be on the podcast next week, 17:36 but I said, "Do you ever see a pattern of high RT3 and low testosterone?" He's 17:40 like, "Every day, all the time. It's the number one indicator." He said, "And you 17:44 know what? You don't test men's thyroid. Guys don't do it. They don't get it 17:48 tested. Doctors don't do it." And he's like, "And even if they do, nobody tests 17:52 reverse T3." And I was like, "I test it." So, good uh cor um correlation with 17:58 your practitioner actually do that with you. So, let's talk a little bit. Hold 18:02 on. There's even one more step before this, right? Go ahead. Cuz it it's 18:06 everyone focus on the sex hormone. I got chills. Testosterone. And then if 18:10 they're really good, they'll go to thyroid. The missing part is the 18:14 adrenal, right? That's where it all starts. Stress, cortisol, insulin 18:20 resistance. Um, you know, Dr. Edwin Lee, he's a functional endocrinologist out of 18:25 Orlando. He used to speak for us. Great guy. and um he he spoke about the uh the 18:30 balance of the the triacis right it's like a triangle adrenal thyroid sex 18:37 hormone so if someone just goes and gets a shot of testosterone right and they 18:42 haven't addressed the thyroid adrenal they're not getting the full result you 18:47 know so one of the formulas that really helped me was the adrenal and thyroid 18:50 combination the thyroid complete because I used to take something called um 18:56 matrix thyroid which was great until they changed it. Now they I can't even 19:00 get it. So you really got to look at the stress component which leads to the 19:05 insulin resistance, the thyroid health and then you'll get much better results 19:09 if you do the Tesla 180 ver vility peptides or injectable or creams or 19:14 pills. I don't care which they use. I always try and get the best result with 19:18 the least amount possible. But we live in a stressful world and know what 19:22 happened to everyone said, "Ah, you're just getting older." I says, "I'm not 19:26 that old." I know. I I don't know why that term is accepted. And it's part of 19:31 the women and men in hormone health and the alipathic model are abused from the 19:36 get-go, right? But one of the things that I recommend with the guys that are 19:41 doing testosterone injections and they're not getting the results, they're 19:44 not seeing the gains is to either take estro cleanse or DIM or both because 19:50 it's that aromatase enzyme that converts the testosterone that will be directly 19:56 impacted by DIM and or estro cleanse and it can help them modulate and convert 20:02 that testosterone down the right path. So, if you're on an injectable right now 20:07 and you're not getting like if you're on TRT, you're not getting the gains, you 20:10 can go to the show notes. I'll make sure that I put the links to the Estro 20:13 Cleanse and the DIM, just start those. Start those products. Not going to hurt 20:17 you. I promise you, you're probably estrogen dominant. But let's start with 20:21 some products. One last point on that. I'm sorry. Guess where the aromatase 20:25 lives? In the fat cells. So, as you know, we think of fat of metabolic 20:31 inert. No. So if you have higher body fat levels, you already have these 20:36 aromatase enzymes, right, that it convert to testosterone and estrogen. 20:41 It's you're setting yourself up. So I love the fact that using DIM andor estro 20:46 cleanse together. What a great combo. Yeah. And I know there's some in the 20:50 estro cleanse, but sometimes I just like to increase a little bit more. And I 20:54 love how the estro cleanse works. Just for oops and giggles, just go through 20:59 how estro cleanse works like the three thing components of it. Yeah, I love 21:04 Estro Cleanse. It's a formula actually one of our earlier formulas. It was 21:07 created by Dr. Franny Perez. She was the uh first graduating class of Burier 21:12 University. She's also a medical doctor and mastered homeopathy. And she says, 21:18 you know, we got to create, she was calling it more of an antioxidant for 21:22 everyone over 40. And she says I said well let's talk about the the pathways 21:26 you want to look at. So one it's based with curcuin which is a patented 21:31 research trademark curcumin ingredient and we also use the bioparene or 21:36 bioperine which is a black pepper. So really high bioavailable. So why 21:40 curcumin? because it's a anti-inflammatory but it also pushes um 21:45 cytochrome P450 phase one right because why when you think about hormones um if 21:54 you got ovarian breast prostate uh uterine um high risk right or you 22:01 have those cancers already why is that happening because your hormones are 22:04 being pushed too quickly you know think about folks if um you know 100 people 22:09 show up your house at once Um, it'd be nice, but you're not going to be able to 22:13 get them in there very efficiently, right? Or at a church if everyone shows 22:18 up at one time. If the hormones are being pushed and there's too many there, 22:21 they're going to proliferate in the breast, ovaries, those things. That's 22:24 why they'll say, "Oh, you have estrogen dominant breast cancer, right? You've 22:28 heard that before." Well, what's pushing it? Insulin is pushing the hormones. So, 22:33 the first thing we do is we help get those hormones through phase one with 22:37 the kurcumin and the bioperine. We do meta I3C the indo3 carbonol and we use 22:44 dim in there. Half the research shows dim is better half shows indo3 carbonal. 22:50 I don't care which one we use. We have them bulked in there. So we're working 22:54 on processing that. Then you're going to need some really good support for phase 22:59 two which is something called isabi. The same company that makes our um collagen 23:05 the bile cell also makes isabi. to trademark wasabi and it's really cool 23:11 because there's anti-tumor factors by supporting glucaronidation through phase 23:16 two. So we're trying to get the hormones cool down 23:21 get an orderly file right or getting kids out of the school one file and 23:27 process them through not only phase one in the liver but phase two in the liver 23:32 so that the hormones can actually do their job. So this is a complete 23:35 antioxidant. I can't say anti-cancer even though I just did. Um, but all the
Adrenal, Thyroid, and Estrogen Balance 23:41 research shows that these ingredients will shift your risk factors. How does 23:46 it do that? Because there's three main pathways the hormones go down. We want 23:50 to push them down to hydroxyestone pathway, not the four or 16. When 23:56 there's too much there, the hormones split and they're going to go to 24:00 different spots. So this is an old and then we added in some really cool 24:03 ingredients like cal diglucarate has research on anti-cancer uh 24:09 resveratrol same thing green tea great antioxidant uh toot trienol so it's a 24:16 really great antioxidant and hormone processor um through the body for men or 24:22 women. It also works really well on body fat because if your hormones are out of 24:26 balance, you're going to tend to store more body fat. For men, usually in the 24:31 gut and usually leg uh for the woman, legs or butt. So, Astro Cleanse, 24:36 excellent. Um you can use this right on top of your multi. Um Tracy's adding in 24:42 DIM on top of it. I think I'm going to try that myself. 24:46 I just want to get rid of that estrogen that's was dominating my life. So, and 24:52 with men, you know, a lot of times when they get put on TRT, they get put on an 24:56 estrogen block or a medication. I don't love that because it's not it's not 25:02 fixing the root. You know, if it were my protocol, my program, I'd be like 25:07 insulin resistance, estrogen dominance, gut health, low tea, low thyroid, low 25:12 adrenal. Like, that would be like the compilation of the program that I would 25:16 put them on. Like, we're going to take care of your nutrition, hydration, all 25:19 of that stuff, foundations. We're going to get that insulin resistance in check. 25:22 We're going to help with the estrogen dominance. We're going to help with your 25:25 gut health so that your body can produce all the metabolic incretin hormones you 25:30 need. And then we're going to address your thyroid, your low tea, and your 25:34 adrenals. That's the full package. Putting somebody on a medication that's 25:38 going to drive down their estrogen through forced pharma is not the way. It 25:43 doesn't fix the insulin resistance. It doesn't fix why the estrogen dominance 25:47 is happening. It doesn't fix the gut. But the products that we're talking 25:51 about here today will feed the body so it's able to do the right things. And 25:56 that's really what I get to. And when we're talking about how's this all 26:00 relate to men's health, well, mental health, physical health, and spiritual 26:04 health, we started out with that. That we have to look at the trifecta. We 26:09 can't just go to the gym 5 days a week, not sleep, and be depressed. We have to 26:14 look at the big picture of what is the quality. you know, we're not trying to 26:18 just add days to people's lives. We're trying to add quality to their days. 26:23 And, you know, I I just look at this whole industry of men and when I heard 26:27 that stat, I was like, I just I can't believe it. I can't. So, I guess my 26:31 encouraging word for men listening right now is, you know, get the right testing, 26:36 get the right products, get the right person to kind of help direct you 26:40 because Jamie, the whole idea of mental health is has always been neck up. 26:46 There's no talk about nutrition. The brain takes 20% of our nutrition every 26:50 day. Nobody talks about it. They just put them on a pill and they play Russian 26:53 roulette roulette with it. They don't do any testing for the medications they put 26:57 people on for mental health. They're like, "Oh, that doesn't work. Here, try 27:00 this one. Oh, that one's making you feel too tired. Here's another one." I mean, 27:03 it's crazy. And people accept that level of care. If we would do that, we'd be in 27:07 jail. Like, it's nuts. You have to start looking at the whole person. You know, 27:12 what's happening with your hormones? What's happening with your gut health? 27:15 what's happening with your insulin, what's happening with your food, what's 27:18 your lifestyle like? That's how men are going to overcome mental health 27:22 challenges today. So, super important. Yeah. I think we need to eliminate a 27:27 couple of things that's limiting us, right? One is limit the word age, right? 27:34 It doesn't matter. I'm approaching 57. I'm in better shape now than I was at 27:38 37. It's just the facts. My I'm leaner. Uh 27:42 I'm more focused. Um, I'm more productive. Um, able to maintain my 27:48 moods mostly a lot better. Right? So, if you feel like you're getting angry 27:53 easier or depressed easier, you can't problem solve or everything's, you know, 27:58 overwhelming, you need to work on it, right? And I don't believe in um extreme 28:03 testosterone levels either because when people do that and they go off of it, 28:07 they're really depressed. So eliminate age as a limiting any kind of 28:12 limitations to you and um be open-minded to what the possibilities are. This is a 28:17 movement right now. I just told you about my story. Dana White, the guy from 28:21 the UFC, I don't know if you've seen him lately. He says, "You better get to 28:26 because he was on blood pressure meds, thyroid medications. He was overweight 28:30 and stressed out of his mind." And he said, "Screw it." He finally got in 28:34 touch with a functional medicine doctor and now the guy looks fantastic. his 28:38 weight's down, he's off the medications, and he said he'll never go to a quote 28:42 unquote regular doctor again. You know, there's a movement out there for even um 28:47 business people like myself um that they're saying it's not normal to be 28:52 overweight and drinking and not feeling good just because you're older. You 28:56 know, we want to add like you says, life to the years, right? Um and don't let 29:01 anything limit you. If you're going to someone you're not getting results, go 29:04 to someone else. Call Dr. Tracy. She has a whole network of doctors throughout 29:08 the country and you can work with her directly. So, one is don't limit 29:12 yourself cuz your age and don't just say um it's okay because it's me, right? Um 29:18 you could be the best version of you at any age. It doesn't matter. And now with 29:23 the um amount of research and education out there, it's a choice, right? There's 29:30 no reason why you can't. And um you know I've worked with people. I remember as a 29:34 personal trainer in the '90s a guy came up to me. He looked like Tony Soprano, 29:38 right? And he said he want to compete in bodybuilding. 29:42 I was like, "Uh, are you sure? Have you been to a competition?" And he says, 29:47 "Look, when I make up my mind, I make up my mind." He says, "I don't want to be 29:50 have a heart attack like my friends did." And blah blah blah. Right? So I 29:54 work with the guy and after about three years, his his com body completely 29:58 changed. It was amazing to see this guy. He his whole life changed. He you know 30:04 his career changed because he had in his mind what he wanted. So if you want it, 30:09 you can do it. Just going to take some uh hard work, discipline, and 30:13 consistency. Um however, when you start to feel the results, isn't it cool? Like 30:17 even you, you're in best shape now than when I met you, right? you can be you 30:22 can be in better shape later um if you put the the work in and the opportunity 30:28 is there now um because we know it's not only your food and your exercise but you 30:34 know your mind your hormones there's so many components of it but it's really 30:38 cool when you start to connect these dots it almost becomes easy I hate to 30:42 say easy but achievable realistic you can see changes a lot sooner well 30:47 habitual right I mean we used to go forward with goals like I have a goal of 30:52 losing 10 lbs or a goal of doing this and those are fine. Goals are great but 30:56 habits are better if you can form habits because your goals change. My goals from 31:00 when I was 20 to now are much different but my habits have what have become 31:05 cleaner and you know good health isn't just reserved for the young. In fact, 31:10 you know we're healthier than they are. What the hell? I know Gen X man we were 31:14 like 50 when we were 20 and now we're we're 50 and we're we're we're 20 years 31:19 old again. So, I'm always like, we were always 50, you know, it's just we really 31:24 beat up our bodies back then, but boy are we a testament that the bodies can 31:28 rejuvenate. So, I want to talk a little bit about some products to boost 31:32 testosterone for men and what can do. And then I would like to finish with 31:38 what are some mood enhancing products. I don't think we can get to everything 31:41 like insulin and gut and all that kind of stuff, but just know gentlemen, 31:45 that's important. There's testing for that. But let's talk testosterone first 31:49 and then complimentary mood because kind of focusing on all the uh hormones. 31:55 Yeah. I think sometimes what happens in functional medicine or neutrauticals is 31:58 we we want to go to the holy grail grill right away. Um we have something called 32:03 Frontier Men's Complete, right? This way you're getting all your foundations 32:08 covered. I know it's just a multi quote unquote but it's not. It has all I just 32:13 did a presentation on this about quality of ingredients and ingredient selection. 32:17 So has all your active vitamins. You need those. You need all your tracks 32:23 chilated coalent bonded minerals. So these are the most bioavailable that 32:27 you're going to find on the market. And then what we did is well what does a
Testosterone Support and Verility 32:31 male need um circulation factors right? So we added things in here like arginine 32:38 uh coq10 right for your heart and your muscle and your brain. We also added 32:43 things in here like salt palmetto. So, it's got the foundation nutrients you 32:48 need every day. And then what I like to do is I like to piggy back on top of it. 32:53 What am I going to do for testosterone? So, you had mentioned testo 180. That's 32:58 the original formula. I'll go through that and I I'll give you the new 33:01 improved version. So, testo 180. The goal was well, what increases 33:07 testosterone? Okay. So, things like maca, 33:11 horny goat, right? tribulus um out of Bulgaria. Um those are some of the 33:18 things that we know historically have increased testosterone usually taken by 33:22 themselves. The second thing we want to look at well what increases circulation 33:27 because a lot of problems with ED um is circulation factors right um 33:33 people get poor circulation diabetes hypertension cardiovascular issues. So 33:38 what are some of the things for circulation? Well GKO gins singh 33:42 arginine. So, we got the testosterone covered. We have circulation covered. 33:47 What's the last component? Usually not covered. You mentioned it about 10 33:50 times. Your DUM if you don't use DIM, right? DIM is so important for the TE 33:58 ratio. Sometimes just improving that Tracy will give somebody a benefit. So, 34:03 we're increasing testosterone, we got circulation, we're increasing the TE 34:09 ratio. So, that's a Tesa 180. Now the new and approved version with Dr. Marbel 34:14 Viialis is adding the glandulin. So that's now verility. So if you don't 34:19 mind eating testes every day, that's the testy glandular in here. That's 34:25 verility. And full transparency, I love verility. Eat more testicles. That's 34:31 what we're really talking about today. 34:36 So nice thing with the Verility, it's only three cups a day. test the 184. Um, 34:42 however, um, you can do a double dose depending 34:47 on, you know, if you're maybe going away for the weekend or you can have a little 34:50 more sexual activity or intimacy. Um, you can go up to six capsules a day, but 34:56 it it works chronically and it works acutely also. It's been um, one of our 35:00 hottest formulas. I think you know it's interesting if you look back you talked 35:04 about the the medical system you know one of the first reasons doc uh men went 35:09 to doctors is for Viagra actually if you look at the the graph 35:14 it's funny because it's a spike up right it's like when that when that product 35:18 came out yeah Viagra really increased the sales right um but no the men were 35:24 like hey everything else is messed up on me but I'm going to go because of this 35:29 right it's kind of like a woman's hair falls suddenly they got a problem. But 35:33 no, that that really increased men's visits to doctors. Um, and it's actually 35:38 a blessing in disguise because that's a sign of cardiovascular risk factors, 35:43 right? Because you don't have circulation. So, Verility has been 35:47 awesome um because it'll help increase testosterone, circulation, TDE ratio um 35:54 and it works really well if people are, you know, having issues with 35:58 performance. Awesome. Very awesome. All right. The 36:02 other one I love is a new one. I think you've been trying this. You know, go 36:06 back to adrenal, thyroid, and sex hormones. The master hormone for me is 36:11 DHEA. I've been doing this 34 years. In fact, so long. DHEA was a class three 36:18 scheduled steroid until about 1996ish. So, you couldn't buy it over the 36:24 counter. It was only available by prescription. But I feel it's fantastic 36:28 for stress and for um testosterone production, male or female. Have you 36:35 tried it? Yes. So I I had actually sent Jamie a testimony via text message. We 36:40 have a group with all the brand ambassadors, all the practitioners that 36:43 support and you know go out and talk about nutritional frontiers and I just 36:48 wanted to put in there that I personally received the products. uh you came out 36:54 with a few creams, the progesterone which is a 50 mgram and then the DHEA 37:00 cream which is I think 20 per pump, right? So yes, um I was like, well, I 37:06 had my blood done. I knew my testosterone was low for a woman and I 37:12 just struggled with TRT. I struggled with injectables and I was like, you 37:16 know what? I just I don't feel that's what I need to do. Uh I also knew that 37:21 my estrogen was high. So I started taking DIM. That was the first thing 37:24 because my estrogen was high due to conversion, not methylation. So the dim 37:30 worked for me. Um, you know, maybe sorophane works better for people that 37:34 have methylation issues. So I started taking the DIM, got my blood work again. 37:39 My estrogen was better. I mean, substantially better, but my 37:43 testosterone was still low and my reverse T3 was high, of course. So I was 37:49 like, "All right, I'm I'm estrogen. I'm cortisol dominant, my testosterone is 37:53 low, etc. So, I started to take some um calm day, ashwagandha, etc. And I did 37:59 that for a little bit and then you sent me the DHEA cream and the progesterone 38:02 and my progesterone was also low. So, I do it was like here Jesus was like, here 38:07 you go. So, I started to use the progesterone at night before bed and I 38:13 used the DHEA cream only once a I only used one pump once a day and I coupled 38:18 it still with the DIM because, you know, DHA will drive testosterone, but again, 38:22 if I'm high cortisol and all the things, I have the ability to convert that the 38:27 wrong pathway. So, I was like, I'm going to take the DIM when I do this. And 38:32 within a couple of days, I was like, you know what? My joints don't hurt anymore. 38:37 And I didn't they hurt because I was upstairs playing Legos with Luke the one 38:42 night and I went to get up off the floor and like every joint in my body was sore 38:47 and I'm like what? Did you make a noise when you got up? Like I was like oh I 38:51 was like what the heck? I just became 80 years old on this floor. I was sitting 38:55 there for a while. So I started to do all the products and a few days later it 38:59 was probably about four or five days later I was sitting on the floor with 39:01 Luke upstairs playing Legos and I went to get up and I got right up. I walked 39:05 down the steps and I thought, "What did I do different?" Like, "My joints don't 39:09 hurt." I was like, "It has to be that cream." I mean, my percent body fat 39:14 changed a little bit. It was a couple percentages, but I don't always measure 39:17 it. But I, you know, I have one of those uh body fat scales. It actually improved 39:21 like 2%. I got stronger. Uh I I texted my son who's 15. I'm always texted in my 39:28 workouts. I was like, "Hey, I bench press 95 on my own for three reps." you 39:32 know, so not not huge, but I don't have a spotter, so I wasn't going to risk 39:36 going any higher. I was really proud of myself, you know, and I thought, you 39:39 know, like I can see my strength gaining, my sleep is better. I mean, it 39:44 just it was awesome. And I before the podcast, I held these dreams up. I was 39:48 like, I love these so much. I do. I love them. So, I mean, it's not just for men. 39:54 Women can benefit absolutely 100%. I think women in general are low in 39:58 testosterone uh because we are stress balls. But um for guys listening, you 40:04 know, this DHEA cream is easy, high compliancy. I keep it in the bathroom so 40:09 that I don't forget because after I shower in the morning, I put it on at 40:12 night time. When I go wash my face, I put my progesterone on. So keep them 40:16 where you'll do them. Otherwise, you won't do them. You'll forget because 40:19 you're busy. But man, I I can't live without this now. So I'll need a 40:23 lifetime supply of this, please. No problem. Truckload's coming in. Don't 40:27 worry. Hey, question on it because I get this question quite a bit. I when I've 40:31 done hormonal creams, I put them on my forearm, like a really thin area like 40:36 this. Um, where do you apply them? So, I I was I was telling Amber, my assistant, 40:42 the other day, I was like, if anybody would see me apply this cream, I mean, 40:44 it would be hands down a a million viewed video. I start on my forearms and 40:50 I put it together and then I take my forearms and I rub it on my inner thighs 40:53 and then I rub it on my stomach just to make sure I don't get any I don't miss 40:56 any like I want it. That' be a great video to teach people how to take the 41:00 creams. Yeah, I'll rub it anywhere, Jamie. I don't 41:04 care. But I do start on my forearms. And it it has a lovely smell, by the way. I 41:09 have to say this has like a I don't know what it is. Is it mint? It's I can't I 41:14 can't place the smell, but it's it smells good, too. It's like, "Oh, that 41:17 smells great." So, anyway, I love it. I think it is one of your for this year 41:23 probably one of my favorite products you've released so far. Um, yeah, thank 41:27 you. We've gotten so much uh positive feedback. I was surprised. I think just
DHEA Cream, Progesterone, and Personal Results 41:31 a lot of people with DHEA, progesterone, they're not able to get them like they 41:36 used to. They're inconsistent. They don't have a pump on them or, you know, 41:40 so we've been excited about it. No, it's great. And they're a nice size, too. you 41:44 know, because some of them that you get, they're tiny for the money that you pay 41:48 and a lot of product. We always give a good value. The other thing that DHEA is 41:54 really good for, I mentioned stress, it really balances cortisol levels. So, if 41:59 people are waking up periodically at night, they're having a lot of cravings 42:02 during the day. Um, chances are that cortisol is um rhythms aren't right. you 42:08 know that they should have the higher cortisol earlier in the day and they're 42:12 getting these spikes in the afternoon or evening. They're getting a lot of 42:15 cravings and they wake up at night and they go, I don't know why I wake up four 42:18 or five times a night. They're probably cortisol spikes. What's your thoughts on 42:22 that? Oh, absolutely. Yeah, cortisol rising should come up to wake you up and 42:27 come down through the night. If you're waking up all night long, that's 42:29 definitely an adrenal issue. Goes back to our adrenals. We should talk about 42:33 some adrenal support, too. and you know just having that imbalance when you dump 42:38 cortisol all the time. You know whether you're sleeping or sitting at your desk 42:42 and you're stinking thinking your body thinks you're in fight or flight. So 42:45 it's going to push glucose to the bloodstream so that you have some energy 42:48 to run. Although you're not running, you're sleeping. So what do you do with 42:51 that? You always say the body's solution to pollution is dilution. So, your 42:56 body's going to increase water in the middle of the night and it's going to 42:59 wake you up and you're going to feel like you have to go to the bathroom 43:02 because your body's diluting out all that glucose in the blood and over time 43:07 you get insulin resistance. So, we're right back to the beginning right here. 43:11 We are at insulin resistance, hormone imbalance. I mean, it all sleep. Yeah. 43:16 Yeah. So, let's get into So, we talked about Testo 180, we've talked about 43:21 Verility, the DHEA cream. Fabulous. Um, Estro Cleanse. Let's get into a little 43:28 bit of a few of your favorite mood regulators and then maybe do adrenals 43:34 first and then get into mood. We have about 12 minutes. I know you have a hard 43:38 stuff. I could talk to you all day, but go ahead, Lisa. This is part one of a 43:41 10- part series. 27 questions. You only answered three. 43:47 Yeah, I think goes again back to let's think about how the brain works, right? 43:51 We got neurotransmitters. Um, and what are the building block of 43:56 neurotransmitters, right? If we're going to build a house, we need bricks or, you 44:01 know, wood. If we're going to build the brain, we need omega-3s and we need B 44:06 vitamins for the neurotransmitters. So, you go to a doctor. Oh, you have a 44:10 chemical imbalance. Oh, you're damn right. that are living 2025 in this 44:14 crazy world and I'm depleting any B vitamins I have and then what am I going 44:19 to go to when I'm stressed? Sugar, caffeine, nicotine, and alcohol. How 44:25 much B vitamins do they contain? 0.0. And they further deplete my B vitamins. 44:32 So now my neurotransmitters have no pool to draw from. So I love Super B 44:39 Complete. I use it just about every day. Um I feel it's you can it's one you can 44:45 really feel the difference if you take it versus you don't. And it's going to 44:50 give your your your body a pool of B vitamins that are active B vitamins. 44:55 They're methylated B vitamins. And we actually include vitamin B15 pangamic 45:00 acid DMG in there. The only one I've seen that actually has it in. So, as a 45:04 base, I like to make sure the essential fats either through your diet 45:09 supplements or both. Avocados, olive oil on everything, right? Um, olives, 45:15 natural nut butters, peanut butters, nuts, seeds, whatever you like. But make 45:20 sure your essential fatty acids are really high. I think one of the worst 45:23 things we ever did in our country was a fat-ree diet, right? Um, not only 45:28 weight, metabolic, diabetes, but also mood and brain health. So, get your 45:33 essential fats in and get a good B vitamin, at least a Frontier Men's 45:38 Complete or a Super B Complete as a foundation. It's only two caps per day. 45:43 It's less than a buck a day retail. So, I I love the B vitamins. Now, if you're 45:48 suffering from some type of, you know, depression, right, and you you feel like 45:53 you need some extra help, I like to go into mood boost because mood boost is an 45:58 interesting formula. We haven't promoted enough. Um, but we're really trying to 46:02 do is get that serotonin um, leveled out, you know. So, when you take things 46:08 um, that's in here like the 5HTP, that will have an impact on it. However, 46:13 it goes down quick serotonin. However, we found with some research is that when 46:19 you add GKO to it, it preserves that serotonin longer. Uh in fact we had a 46:26 doctor um won't say his name but his son was suffering from depression and the 46:31 mood boost is the only thing that helped him. So it's got a combination of some B 46:36 vitamins B5 and B6 or B3 five and six always we think of as adrenal and stress 46:42 you know then we added in go to preserve the http and then magnesium to naturally 46:49 calm people down. So, uh, mood boost really an unsung hero. People that are 46:53 depressed, um, dramatic changes in it. It doesn't take six or nine months. You 46:59 should feel a difference the first month. Wow. That's awesome. Now, if 47:03 you're more anxious and stressed out and can't relax and can't focus and can't 47:09 sleep, um, Mother's Little Helper Natural Xanax, otherwise known as Calm 47:14 Day. I I know you're using quite a few of those, especially when we share the 47:18 same office together. Right. Well, I keep I keep a travel size in my car. I'm 47:23 just going to be honest. Is that the 120 count? 47:28 I actually dropped my car off at the dealer this morning because I have to 47:31 have it like fixed for something. And my little travel size calm day was in there 47:34 and I kept looking. I was like, should I take it? Should I bring it with me? 47:37 Should I leave it here? So, I took it with me. I was like, I might need you. 47:40 You come with me. Hey, I was true story. I was in an office this week with 47:43 Harriet. It was a new customer in um Largo, Florida. And there was two
Mood, Stress, and Sleep Support 47:49 professionals in there, a nurse and a chairo, both functional medicine. And 47:53 the nurse says, you know, I want to thank you for the calm day. I because 47:57 they're brand new. They just getting rolling. I said, oh, what'd you use it 48:01 for? She says, I hate flying. I had to fly to Buffalo, New York from Florida. I 48:06 said, "Oh god." And uh she goes, "I took one calm day and it's the first time I 48:11 flew without being super anxious." So that gives me chills, right? cuz you 48:16 know it's great to have a job and work in the field but when you hear the 48:19 impact on one cap of calm day right she did a little travel size 8 count so if 48:26 you're listening this and you want some uh free travel sizes contact Tracy 48:30 contact nutritional frontiers we're more than happy to help you guys out but Calm 48:35 day is a lifecher for a lot of people it's got a unique combination of B5 and 48:39 B6 for the adrenals uh l glycine and torine to really balance out the 48:45 neurotransmitters. Um, then you have sun theenine in it, which is a trademarked 48:49 theenanine just by itself. People love theanine, you know, then we add in 48:54 things like GABA. So, it's a more comprehensive formula. That's what we're 48:57 known for. Um, and some people use it just when they need it, like if they're 49:01 going to travel. Um, maybe they have to do a presentation cuz it'll mellow you 49:06 out without making you tired. Um, you know, you got relatives coming to town 49:11 that you don't want to be around, so you may want to take two, but works really 49:15 well. Yeah. And some mood boost. No, but I think Calm Day is probably the one 49:21 formula that you can feel. You know, it's like all these other ones like 49:24 supplements, they build over time and it helps you. And I mean, there's a lot of 49:27 you feel right away too within a couple days, but Calm Day, you'll feel it 49:32 within 20 minutes in a great way. Maybe it's because my cortisol is like, 49:37 "Thank you so much." You know, I'm like, "Well, this this is the product, as you 49:42 know, is sleep time. So, it has everything calm day has in it. Plus, it 49:47 has HCP and melatonin." Um, I shared earlier. I'm not exaggerating. Um, I had 49:54 insomnia for about 10 years. You know, even my kids said, "My dad doesn't 49:58 sleep. He just lays down, closes his eyes for a little bit, and wakes up. 50:01 He's in the recliner or in the couch. But yeah, I just I'd be on the road. I 50:06 mean, it was really severe. If you ever suffered from that, I wouldn't wish that 50:09 on my worst enemy. You know, you toss and turn. It's like a fish all night. 50:14 And you you never get comfortable. Your mind's racing. I mean, severe insomnia 50:19 where it'd be 3:00 4:00 a.m. And I've taken every supplement. I've taken the 50:24 Nyquil. I've taken, you know, Advil. Everything you can find in the store I 50:30 would take and it still wouldn't help. Occasionally I just be knocked out. But 50:34 then when we brought out the sleep time and I I combined that with the adrenax. 50:38 You said adrenal. Um I started sleeping again. Yeah. I remember we had a trade 50:44 show. I met Joe for breakfast. Um and I remember he uh I came down to meet 50:52 him in the morning. I said, "Joe, did you go to sleep last night?" He's like, 50:55 "Yes." I go, "Do you sleep all night?" He said, 'Yeah, why? What's going on? I 51:00 says,"I don't sleep." I I couldn't imagine ever sleeping again. And you 51:05 know, when you're in such a bad spot, sometimes you you need hope, right? So, 51:10 my hope was Joe just saying, "Yeah, you can fix this, right?" Um, so if you're 51:14 in a bad spot with depression or anxiety or sleep or whatever it is, don't ever 51:19 throw the towel in. There's always an opportunity. you know, as they say, you 51:23 know, um if God created it, God can fix it. So, if you're not sleeping, I know 51:28 it's tough. Dreamax and sleep time and give it some time to work, but you'll 51:34 notice a change um usually sometimes within the first week. Yeah, it's 51:39 they're powerful formulas. So, awesome stuff. I know that we have to wrap it 51:44 up. Is there any final words you want to leave our audience with? Well, I just 51:49 want to say thank you to Dr. Tracy, if you're listening to this, um, reach out 51:53 to to Tracy. She's got a a whole team around her. She's working with all of 51:58 our brand ambassadors. Um, I don't care if anyone knows it. You are my favorite 52:03 speaker. So, I I always announce that cigaretting of everyone like, you know, 52:09 I say, they go, "What do you have a favorite kid?" I go, "Actually, I do." 52:12 Yeah. You want to know her name? Yeah. Sorry, Zach. 52:16 So, no. Reach out to Dr. Tracy. her heart is in the right spot. Um there's 52:21 very few people like her in the country. And then um you know be open-minded and 52:26 to what's possible, right? So if you're not at your best right now, um doesn't 52:31 mean you can't be. You just have to be open-minded to it. And uh when people 52:35 tell me that they've tried everything, no, they haven't. They haven't tried 52:40 your program or my program. So um be open-minded to what's possible. And uh 52:45 when in doubt, reach on your faith, right? Because you know I think a lot of 52:49 people right now have that hole inside right and they try and fill it with 52:54 could be supplements it could be testosterone it could be alcohol could 52:57 be food could be Facebook it could be anything um but if you if that hole is 53:03 in you um there's only one way to fill it and Tracy helped me a lot with my 53:07 faith and I'm forever grateful for her for that and uh all the support she gave 53:12 me when you know maybe I was down in a hole. So, if you're down in a hole and 53:16 Tracy reaches down, let her help you come out because she's not going to 53:20 reach down the second time because you may pull her in, right? So, um there is 53:25 a fleet of people out there like Dr. Tracy on her team that are here to help 53:29 you. I get really emotional about it cuz you know um it is our career, but we 53:34 take a lot of pride and passion in this. And um if you need anything, you can
Final Takeaways and Closing Encouragement 53:38 always reach out to me at nutritionalffrontiers.com. 53:41 We are here to help you um become the best version of you. And you know this 53:46 mission, it is a mission to make the world healthy. And we'll do it one 53:49 person at a time. I've from the time I've met Tracy, she's done nothing but 53:53 improve her health. Um and she's had a great impact on me and the company and 53:58 my family and the team. So um you're in the right hands, folks. You're listening 54:02 to a great uh platform for education. I just want to say thank you from the 54:06 bottom of my heart. Well, thank you, man. You're better than a business card. 54:10 But you know, I love you. You know, you're my favorite person, my favorite 54:13 brand, a favorite favorite. I don't care who knows it. So, I just want to leave a 54:17 message for the men listening because Jamie is such a great resource, one of 54:21 the best formulators in the industry. His products work. I'm telling you, they 54:26 work and they work quickly and they work long term. It's not just something that 54:30 the programs are not a pill for an ill. They are a program for a lifetime. So, 54:36 uh, I'll put all the links of the products we talked about in the show 54:39 notes. Uh, if you want those free calm day, we'll reach out to Jamie, make sure 54:43 that everybody gets it. But at the end of the day, guys, your hormones matter. 54:47 Your mental health matters. They're not separate. They're deeply connected. And 54:50 for too long, men, you've been taught to be tough, push it out through fatigue, 54:56 stress, brain fog, whatever that is. But the good news is we now have incredible 55:01 tools, um, targeted supplements, things that you can do to address the root 55:05 cause. So, if you're ready to dig deeper, reach out. Reach out to a 55:09 trusted practitioner, reach out to us, and let's take the first steps together. 55:13 So, God bless you. If you find that this has helped you or you want to share it 55:17 with somebody else, please share this podcast. Make sure you subscribe and go 55:21 like us on all the social media channels. Thanks, Jamie. God bless. 55:26 Thank you. [Music]
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