Full Transcript Origins of Neural Therapy 0:00 Well, neuro-therapy was started in the 1920s by the Honecky brothers in Germany. 0:05 And out of frustration with an old, they had an open fracture, so there was a scar, dead scar and it was causing problems. 0:12 They kept coming, like, what can you do for any knee? 0:14 What can we do, or my leg, for my ligament? 0:16 And they ended up injecting, just out frustration, took protein, boom, and they shot along and numbed it up for the person. 0:23 It will last for a couple hours. 0:25 Yeah. 0:25 Okay. 0:26 Not that they were mean, but to get them out of the office, that's what happened. 0:29 Oh, funny. 0:30 And then there was no one in the village or whatever that this person was quite deaf and he could hear the clock ticking. 0:36 He said, oh, what happen here? 0:37 Well, you shot that in me. 0:39 What we saw, and so what is going on here? 0:41 What is this? 0:42 Like we're a spider. 0:43 Well, that's what's happening as they started exploring the effects of a scar, as far as pain, As far affecting things distally. 0:51 And so then they start doing the experiments with. 0:53 Procain and other, other areas. 0:55 and then what about doing ganglars? 0:56 what About doing it even intrathecally? 0:58 So they're the ones that developed that. 1:05 Hi, welcome back to the Healthy by Dr. 1:07 Jenn podcast. 1:08 Today we're going to be talking about osteopathy and prolotherapy. 1:13 So if you want to learn more about those or even if don't, you should still stay tuned because you're gonna learn a lot. 1:20 Today we're talking to Dr. 1:22 David Nebelin. 1:23 He is a DO, so another DO on my podcast, which is amazing. 1:28 he's been a practicing osteopathic physician for 39 years. 1:41 has been a medical missionary and has also done research for the CDC. 1:46 He's taught many medical students in his career in the areas of anatomy, laboratory medicine, OMM or osteopathic manipulative medicine. 1:58 He also does ozone therapy and prolotherapy, which we're going to learn a lot about today. 2:04 So right now he's still practicing in Lansing, Michigan, and he is a sought after speaker in regenerative medicine.
Podcast Introduction and Guest Background 2:13 Welcome. 2:14 I'm so excited to have you here. 2:15 Thank you for having me. 2:16 Yes. 2:17 And I just love that you wanted to talk about osteopathy and what it means to be a DO. 2:24 So could you explain to the audience the difference between a traditional allopathic medicine doctor or an MD and a do? 2:33 Sure. 2:34 Yeah. 2:34 So MD medicine is almost more sterile scientifically based, which is a good thing in some ways. 2:40 For osteopathy, it's the American philosophy of medicine. 2:44 And we have a philosophy that guides us in that. 2:46 The first part of the philosophy says that God gave the body the ability to heal itself. 2:51 And the second part says that we're made up a series of systems that are interrelated and interdependent. 2:56 And so at the turn of this last century, you started seeing the word in our literature, holistic medicine. 3:01 So we are the ones that coined holistic medicines because we realized, guess what? 3:04 You're not just a lung. 3:05 Even before we had the full physiologic understanding of how everything went together, we knew that was important. 3:11 And then another part is called structure and function is reciprocal. 3:15 And how I describe that to the public is that, you know, we have God create our hand in a wonderful way, so we've wonderful abilities with it, 3:22 because the way the bones were made and then the ligaments are made to stabilize it and the nervous system and tendons and skin. 3:30 So with that you have the sensitivity to maybe take the eyelash out of your child's eye. 3:35 If you're trained in it you could be a martial arts person and you can break a brick with her. 3:39 If you were to hit your hand with a hatchet, maybe cut that thing, break a bone, now you've changed the structure, you're going to lose some of the function. 3:46 That's what we mean that function affects structure. 3:49 Structure affects function, and that is something that I work with every day. 3:52 Yeah, I love that. 3:53 And A.T. 3:54 Still, Dr. 3:55 A T. 3:55 still, he was an MD, allopathic medicine doctor, this osteopathy, this separate but basically the same profession. 4:07 And I love when you dig in more to him. 4:10 He was a Christian. 4:12 That is why bringing our body back to homeostasis is so important. 4:18 I always think we live in a broken world, so that's why we get disease. 4:23 But our body loves to be in homeostasis and back to normal. 4:27 So how does osteopathic manipulation, manipulative medicine, how is that help the body work better and get the structure back so the function can return? 4:39 Several ways, one is if there is a restriction perhaps in motion or in a joint and there's some pain with that, well that pain will inhibit a muscle,
DO vs MD and Osteopathic Philosophy 4:49 maybe up to 40%. So now you have some weakness and you're not as functional or maybe limit the range of motion. 4:56 The other thing is not just that, it's also affecting blood flow and also lymphatic flow. 5:00 So, lymphatica part of our immune system could cause swelling or even edema. 5:06 Using that you'll see affecting the whole body system. 5:11 Yeah, it's great because a lot of DOs, well, they don't practice OMM as much anymore, but the ones that do, It's such an extra piece of the puzzle. 5:23 So why do some DO's just patients think they're just the same as MDs? 5:28 Because they do not see this anymore. 5:31 They do treat the body holistically. 5:32 What do you think happened with that? 5:35 I think when physicians stop having private practices or many of them sign you up with a corporation or something, you have a practice manager now telling you, 5:44 You have to see this or this will produce so much. 5:46 You're down to five minute consultations, wherever, where what still goes in my office, I'm a solo practitioner, always have been. 5:53 Take time, look at the patient. 5:55 I may say, take off your shoes. 5:56 If I make a joke, if I want to, see your feet, and you don't have good horse, or you You know, even though we're looking at the rest of the body, 6:02 I'm evaluating and you don't have that anymore with people. 6:04 And then laying the hands on the. 6:06 Some places are actually afraid of that or they're intimidated by it or don' have time. 6:10 The last thing I want to do is wait for someone to take their shoes off. 6:13 I am sorry that that mentality. 6:15 So that's what happened. 6:17 That got lost as well as people not feeling they had the little more intensity in the training or the In medical school, 6:25 I had a feeling I don't have time to spend to practice my skills, to develop skills. 6:31 And unfortunately I saw that happen too. 6:32 They almost look at it as a hoop to jump through, or even in residency, oh, we have an extra hour that's supposed to be for osteopathic principles, 6:38 and they either skip it or it's not as priority to them, unfunded for their loss and their patient's loss. 6:45 Yeah, you're right. 6:46 And I would even practice OMT in the emergency room. 6:50 It's so helpful. 6:53 Someone would come up with a headache and I'm like, hey, while I am talking to you, can you lay down? 6:58 I'd get behind the bed and do sublux simple to release on them. 7:01 And then now I keep my skills up with my family. 7:05 So I do OMT a lot on them. 7:07 And maybe someday I'll have another brick and mortar. 7:09 But right now, I need to raise these babies that I have. 7:12 Yeah. 7:18 She was like, hey, I need an adjustment. 7:20 She'll know when she's out of whack and come to me. 7:24 So I really appreciate that. 7:26 And it's definitely really important. 7:29 If any DOs are listening, i would encourage them to go. 7:33 find a DO that you could brush up your skills with or go to a conference and get that back in tune so it can benefit their patient. 7:42 And if they work in a hospital-based system, you can bill for these procedures. 7:49 I mean, it's a procedure code for them. 7:51 So if someone has a DO as their doctor through the insurance model, you can always ask because they can get reimbursed for that time a little bit. 7:59 But yeah, it's tough. 8:01 So what about prolotherapy? 8:03 I bet you most people don't know what that is or haven't heard of that. 8:08 Sure. 8:08 Yeah. 8:08 So proliferative, they were proleo and Latin means to grow, tissue means, to go. 8:13 And so that's why we have used that term. 8:15 Again, it just goes a lot along with the philosophy and what I was so interested in, my love for hands-on manual medicine and realizing that not everything 8:25 can be fixed by. 8:27 by manipulation, some things like stabilizing ligaments have been damaged other than surgery, you need something more. 8:33 And so there's a technique, the most proliferative, we're talking about certain injection solutions, which are all can be very natural, 8:40 hypoallergenic. 8:42 You inject those into the body and the response says, oh my gosh, what has happened there? 8:47 that shouldn't be in David. 8:48 Is that a splinter? 8:49 Is it a germ? 8:50 And so this wonderful immune system God gave us comes in, the white blood cells come in. 8:54 So it's an amazing thing when you study. 8:56 It's all been studied because you want to know how does somebody heal after surgery? 8:59 How does someone?
How OMM Improves Structure and Function 9:00 So this is well studied. 9:01 But eventually the platelets come and they're not just there to stop you from bleeding when your cut your finger. 9:05 There's four alpha granules in there that release growth factors. 9:09 And then this one wonderful cell called the fibroblast that helps make a scar if you cut yourself, but also can help grow bio-identifiable ligament or 9:16 tendon material. 9:16 So you start responding to that. 9:18 And that's, in a nutshell, what, uh, What prolotherapy is. 9:23 Where did it originate from? 9:25 This prolotherapy. 9:27 Right. 9:27 So the idea of trying to help the body grow or heal ourselves, go all the way back to the father, the Father of manipulation, 9:33 The Father Of Medicine, Hippocrates, they find. 9:36 It was done rather crudely then, but if someone had a dislocated shoulder and fairly dislocate it, then you had to tote water, 9:42 carry your own wood. 9:43 What did you do? 9:43 You were just out of luck in life. 9:45 They took a thin, small sword and heat it up and they would go under the armpit with it. 9:50 It was a crude way of burning and staring in. 9:52 So then the shoulder would hold in place. 9:54 And so that, yes, but then you've had possibly having some life, right? 9:58 And, so, that's the beginning. 9:59 Then also people are so close, they're agrarian, Right? 10:02 They are close to their animals. 10:03 They realize that a young horse is going to have to start to plow. 10:06 they could damage their tendons. 10:07 and so they take small, again, needles or a little spike, They heat them up, and then they drive them into the animal. 10:12 I said, boy, what? 10:13 They hope they have a really well-trained horse. 10:16 And that would, so it's a crude way, and it like what physical therapists call dry kneeling now. 10:20 But it was a good way of re-growing, making that, in thesis, that attachment where the tendon goes on the bone, enlarging and striking it. 10:27 So that's been known for centuries as well, with the invention of the hypodermic needle in the 1800s. 10:33 Then they started trying to use solutions. 10:35 The first one was an iodine base for treating the TMJ. 10:38 Don't know what that felt like, what it is like for that person, but we both see people who just- Yeah, who just lost their lives over TMJ. 10:45 So probably out of desperation, they've gone ahead and they had it done and then we've just continued to grow and decide and study it and studied it. 10:52 It's been well studied. 10:53 And again, there's more and more research being done all the time now on this proliferance and how we regrow tissue. 11:00 So could you explain exactly what you are injecting in prolotherapy? 11:04 Sure. 11:04 Well, let's maybe break it down to the categories because there's been a hundred things tried and there are many things and different people have their favorites. 11:12 But the most common one would be a hypertonic solution. 11:15 That means a solution with difference between ocean water and drinking water. 11:18 The ocean waters hyper tonic. 11:20 So people could use a hypertonic salt solution. 11:24 Normal salines are a saline solution that normally would choose would be dextrose or the sugar that we use in the hospital. 11:29 50% dexrose will necrosis and damage the tissue.
Why OMM Skills Get Lost in Practice 11:33 But if you bring it down to low enough, you can actually heal inflamed nerves. 11:37 Or if he a little stronger, You can get a growth effect from us. 11:39 That's very common. 11:40 The other one is calcium gluconate, which then comes in little sterile bottles from the pharmacy and 10% calcium. 11:45 We can, again, dose that to get it to the right percentage. 11:51 So again, where it's down on the body and said, hold it, what's that? 11:54 What's happening? 11:54 That shouldn't be there, you know, and it tricks the buddy into that controlled inflammation and healing response. 11:59 Those would be the more common ones of the hypertonic area. 12:02 Then there are some other ones which are chemotactic. 12:05 that are used until you mix that up and it says, oh, and the body said, Oh, like a magnet, what's happening here? 12:10 And then there's other one called pumice and that's used too. 12:13 It's like, a mechanical, you mixed it. 12:15 And again, so now you do have something like not a sliver, but a little piece of wash volcanic ash, whatever it's in it, 12:21 it is a stimulant to the bodies. 12:23 So those would be the categories of it most commonly we need dextrose or calcium gluconate. 12:28 What about procaine and lidocaine? 12:30 Aren't those popular too? 12:32 Yeah. 12:32 Well, those aren't proliferants, but those are, there's a mixture you have to use. 12:36 So you would use like the calcium gluconate and then you could use 1% or 2%. Procaine, I like to do is preservative free, 12:43 or lidocation. 12:43 I mean, procain is sometimes it's difficult to get for people, well, lidokane in the past few years at times has been difficult. 12:50 Yeah, like five years ago. 12:53 Yeah, that's really tricky. 12:55 But so that would, to mix up the solution normally, there's your dextrose or calcium gluconate there'd be your 1 or 2% lidocaine and then there would be 13:04 normal saline. 13:05 And I always prefer preservative free. 13:07 Some doctors don't see the value of that. 13:09 I'm just trying to be as gentle, as natural as possible. 13:12 There are preservatives free chemicals available for us. 13:15 Right. 13:15 Yeah. 13:16 Could you just use lidocaine or procaine by itself? 13:19 Because like that conference I was talking to you about, they said that you could just do that for injecting sclerosis. 13:26 Right. 13:27 So in my toolbox, I have lots of things in toolbox to help people heal or regrow tissue. 13:31 There are the sclosing solutions or the proliferative solutions that we just talked about. 13:36 And then there's also a neuro therapy solution. 13:38 That would be using procane or lidocation in a dilute form and inject. 13:42 a scar. 13:43 And why that? 13:43 Because when you first do your history on a person, they have back pain and they had degenerative death, but maybe they've had a laparotomy. 13:48 They've got a huge stomach sprain. 13:49 I said, that's going to affect my ability to treat the back. 13:52 So just an experiential knowledge. 13:54 You'll, and also that could be a pain generator. 13:57 Definitely having a tooth that was pulled incorrectly, back in that scar can be pain-generator. 14:02 It can pain generators. 14:03 so you go ahead and you clear the body using that neural therapy solution. 14:07 Okay, or they call it neurofascial ingestions. 14:09 You peel that layer away. 14:11 Now, what do we have after we do that? 14:12 And then you can start. 14:13 So there's an artery. 14:14 That's what I teach when I, when teach the beginner's course. 14:18 How do you start? 14:18 I just said, Hey, you know how to do your knee shot? 14:20 Let's jump in, let's do it. 14:20 But stem cells only. 14:22 Well, that's, being done out there. 14:23 And that. 14:25 not the best way of practicing the art of regenerative medicine. 14:28 Absolutely. 14:28 So first, neuro-therapy.
What Prolotherapy Is and How It Works 14:31 If it's necessary, you screen for that. 14:32 Correct, yes. 14:33 Well, and that goes into like the ganglion injections even too, right? 14:38 Correct. 14:39 Yes, yeah. 14:39 Okay. 14:40 Do you do those first sometimes? 14:42 Oh, definitely. 14:44 Definitely. 14:44 We'll get into that in a second then, because I really love the neuro therapy stuff. 14:48 I'm like, this is so cool. 14:50 Prolo therapy, think of that as more joints and maybe more agitating. 14:56 Think of the horse with the splinters. 14:58 So that's agitated to create more healing tissue. 15:03 And when doing that, we're not creating more scar tissue, the body is healing itself and you're just bringing awareness to the spine. 15:11 to bring it up because sometimes that will be said to patients and physical therapy, somebody will tell them, oh, it's going to make the shoulder too tight 15:17 or it is too made. 15:18 What about scar tissue? 15:20 That's been studied. 15:20 It's done. 15:21 MRI, they've looked at it. 15:22 The configuration and alignment of the collagen fibers are laid down by absolutely not the way, for scar tissues, are not done when you add up, 15:30 do prolotherapy to a tendon or a ligament. 15:32 So that was proven over 50 years ago. 15:36 But you still hear people say, that absolutely does not happen. 15:39 So I'm thinking of a specific patient, she's a farmer. 15:42 She's done prolotherapy, but I am wondering if they addressed the neural therapy part before she got Provo because she said the proliferative didn't really 15:52 help her. 15:53 So that's interesting, right? 15:54 I wonder if something, because could that happen? 15:58 Could you, if you don't address, like you said, the laparotomy scar before you treat the back, could Oh yeah, she still could have a pain generator in 16:08 her body. 16:08 And so real, many years ago I had a patient doing her history and I always have, I might have apart and say, to be loved by the doctors. 16:15 They fill out their paper about dental and her story about her tooth. 16:19 She was early twenties or late teens. 16:20 she didn't have lot of money. 16:21 Just had for a hundred bucks pulled her too. 16:23 Okay. 16:24 I said, that sounds suspicious. 16:25 and when did some, it's called muscle testing too and said that sound suspicious too, you need to see it. 16:30 Not a dentist, not a dental surgeon. 16:32 That needs to we looked at, but also she came because she had. 16:35 problems with her knees. 16:36 And she did have a large old osteoarthritic knee. 16:39 Uh, and I sent her there and the doctor said, Oh my gosh, we, she had it done. 16:43 They left part of the broken tooth and it's part, the amalgam was in the bottom of that. 16:46 So it was part a broken up tooth. 16:50 There was an empty socket, which was still a problem for him. 16:53 He cleared it out and everything and he said Dr. 16:56 Nubling, thank you so much. 16:57 You know, I don't have any more knee pain. 16:58 I know. 17:00 No, no, I didn't. 17:02 I'm glad I said that was causing your pain. 17:03 And he said, your knee sounds like Rice Krispies there. 17:07 It needs some proliferative shots as well. 17:08 So it said it can have two things wrong. 17:10 All right, people have a knee replacement. 17:12 They said doctor, my knee hurts. 17:14 Oh no. 17:15 Where they took, they borrowed the tendon to do my tendon repair too. 17:18 When you take a cotton ball and you wipe down the knee to start. 17:23 That's not normal. 17:23 Wiping a knee and maybe that's where a trocar went in with the knee. 17:27 It's a little tiny and it feels like a piece of rice under the stem. 17:30 Now that a problem scar. 17:31 The other three scars are not, but that one, that that is a giveaway. 17:34 And then you go and you take a look. 17:35 Somebody you don't even have to muscle. 17:37 You just go. 17:38 That is pathologic nerve ending there. 17:42 Then you're going to take your glycocaine or your procaine. 17:44 Just shoot a bleb right on it. 17:46 And it goes away, right? 17:47 And maybe you need a second one, you never know that, but you shoot that. 17:50 Now, that was part of the pain during that knee. 17:52 Probably the knee replacement was done well, But some of those old scars are causing knee pain. 17:57 And the doctor doesn't know it. 17:59 Yeah, this is just so cool. 18:01 You're like, why isn't this on the news? 18:03 Right? 18:04 So one thing I thought was really cool when I was at that conference for prolotherapy is that they were bringing up medical studies on orthopedic surgeons 18:14 numbing the scar, sorry, numming where they're going to cut before and the post-op like, you know, six weeks out, three months out pain was decreased. 18:24 Now this is interesting because when people are under anesthesia for a knee, for hip, they don't always numb the skin before.
Prolotherapy Solutions and Neurotherapy Basics 18:33 And that was what the study was about. 18:37 When they would, even if they were under general anesthesia, if would numb that skin first, they will have less pain because as we were talking about, 18:47 that scar could be a pain generator still. 18:50 So do you know what study I'm talking Yeah, I wasn't familiar with one of the knee but where they did it with the abdominal I don't know if it was hysterectomy, 18:59 not hysterectomy I think it C-section I know where the time is C section because I normally C sections I was in were really boom boom get them done but 19:06 they've done that they they worked with scars and they sometimes have actually used, done some stem cell type along there and just see how fast it yields, 19:16 but also neural, we call it neural theory, injecting the, either both sides that there's much, there is great benefit to that. 19:23 Yeah. 19:24 That's really cool. 19:24 So yeah, doing the stem cells too, yeah. 19:27 To help the uterine scarring and stuff like that, what do you do if it's like a deeper scar, like the ureters or something like, 19:34 that that is causing pain from a C-section? 19:37 Can you, can you reach that or inject that? 19:39 Or do just do IV, or? 19:42 I don't really get down to the ability to get to that. 19:46 I'm just thinking out loud. 19:48 There are so many women that get C-sections, but if they numb it before, then you could decrease that risk. 19:54 So now let's talk about neural therapy. 19:58 We talked a little bit, what's the definition of that and how can that be used? 20:03 Okay. 20:04 Well, neuro-therapy was started in the 1920s by the Honecky brothers in Germany. 20:10 And out of frustration with an old, they had an open fracture, so there was a scar, a dead scar and it was causing problems. 20:17 They kept coming, like, what can you do for any knee? 20:18 What can I do with my leg? 20:21 And they ended up inject, just out frustration, with the cocaine, boom, and they shot along and numbed it up for the person. 20:28 It will last for a couple hours. 20:30 Okay. 20:31 Not that they were mean, but to get them out of the office. 20:33 But they, that's what happened. 20:34 And then it was known in the village or whatever that this person was, was quite deaf and he could hear the clock ticking and they said, 20:41 Oh, what happen here? 20:43 What we saw, and so what is going on here? 20:46 What is this? 20:46 Like we're a spider. 20:47 Well, that's what's happening as they started exploring the effects of a scar, as far as pain, affecting things distally. 20:55 And so then they starting doing experiments with. 20:58 Procain and other, other areas. 21:00 What about doing ganglars? 21:01 what about even doing it even intrathecally? 21:03 So they're the ones that developed that. 21:05 I don't know, but they. 21:06 So it developed in, World War II happened and also there was less trading of information with Germany, unfortunately. 21:12 So, it was a while before it came here. 21:14 I think Dietrich Klinghart was the German physician that came to the United States in the late seventies. 21:19 He brought that with him and started teaching the neural therapy and developed the Academy, North American Academy of Neural Therapy. 21:25 Yeah. 21:25 And talking about teaching, the muscle testing that he developed. 21:28 You know, I don't know the Hanukkahs were doing that, but Dietrick taught that. 21:33 That's what you witnessed, I think, at the program, you know, of Dr. 21:36 Harris teaching that. 21:37 Yeah. 21:38 So I know. 21:39 I had a tonsillectomy when I was very young. 21:42 And people, for neural therapy, that's like a scar. 21:46 Sometimes that is affecting our nervous system. 21:49 How does injecting, like, a ganglia or like tonsil, how does that help us heal when it comes to the autonomic nervous systems and these scars?
Scars, Pain Generators, and Diagnostic Use 22:00 I wish I had all the information. 22:01 How does it actually work? 22:03 I would love to give a lecture. 22:04 We know it does. 22:06 It does, and one of the ways we think is that it will temporarily shut down all of all fibers. 22:12 That's why you have the anesthetic effect. 22:14 it stops them and then they restart again and they have a normal Firing rate, voltage, shut everything down. 22:21 Now let it restart in a healthy way. 22:23 And sometimes by also injecting an air, you're breaking up any adhesions, which may affect it. 22:29 So that would be, that there may be another help to it, but that's how we think it happens. 22:33 You shut it down and then it restarts. 22:35 Kind of like restarting a computer. 22:37 I know my computer will be acting funny and my husband's like, did you restart it? 22:41 When was the last time you started it. 22:43 And I'm like oh, weeks ago. 22:45 He's need to restart. 22:46 It's that reboot, right? 22:48 Right, that's a good analogy. 22:49 Or the iPhone. 22:50 My phone was acting weird yesterday and I need reboot it so it gives that nervous system kind of a reboot. 22:56 Yeah, I bet you that most of the audience has not even heard of these things. 23:01 You know, and that's what's very frustrating because it's not in the insurance model, you know. 23:09 Last thing, I just want to get your thoughts on stem cells and PRP and all of that because that kind of entered newer, you know, 23:18 cause you've been practicing for 40 years. 23:19 So what do you think about this, the newer therapy? 23:22 Do you thing it has a place? 23:26 So under the AOA, we have our own specialty college, which I'm bordered on, it's called Prolotherapy and Regenerative Medicine. 23:32 I am so glad we put that at the end of our name because all these new things come along. 23:36 What about ozone, prolozone, what about stem cells, PRP? 23:39 I've lived as those have become popular. 23:41 Even what, about shockwave? 23:43 But I mean, 10 years now, there'd be some new thing. 23:45 We thought that helps with generation tissues, so they all have their place. 23:48 The basic prolotherapy though, platelets do come in there and they are involved in it. 23:53 PRP stands for platelet rich plasma. 23:55 So we concentrate the plateless at least four times they would be in the blood and then we place them specifically. 24:01 We're sort of concentrating things. 24:03 And that'd be great for somebody who has a poor immune system or maybe to speed up healing. 24:06 They do have there place, but just think about plateles are involve with the regular one, as well as some stem cells too. 24:11 It's not as big as taking umbilical stem cells or someone's own fat stem cell or even and what stemcells do is they kiss up against your stem-cell and 24:21 their endosomes and they're released they transfer over in their mitochondria and so they become almost like exosome so you can also harvest the exo zones 24:29 from amniotic fluid which is another thing that's done they all have their place they cost a little more money need to prepare from properly the problem 24:36 I have where there's people wanting to come and say I want to learn stem so well they haven't learned the basics yet and If you're going to get stem cells, 24:44 sorry, if you have a chronic infection, like in your mouth or something, you shouldn't be doing, You got to clear off a Chronic infection. 24:50 If your on statin drugs you should not be getting off the statins drugs and then you may have the stem cell. 24:57 Because statin drugs inhibit the growth of tissue and they'll inhibit your repair mechanism.
Neural Therapy History and Mechanism 25:03 So they're throwing their money away. 25:05 Well, people come to me and I've had a nice look and said, some of the basic things haven't been done. 25:09 We've got to do one, two, and three first and some they don't like that. 25:12 I said well, you can go somewhere else with 5,000 bucks. 25:15 They'd be glad to because they are afraid you'll go to somewhere A lot of doctors put a shot into the knee and that's so often, 25:23 and it's really sad if people come to you and say, your pain wasn't, that blessed your knee, you grew some cartilage, it was going to be good, 25:29 but your pains right here, its outside the need and they need a sclerosing solution to it. 25:34 So I see that, again, I teach this, been doing it a long time. 25:38 I've seen lots of doctor's or little clinics, quick, let's get a retired doctor and have him do knee shots for us. 25:43 Make a million bucks. 25:44 And unfortunately, thats not good regenerative medicine. 25:47 What you asked, the stem cell PRP, those are wonderful tools they have. 25:50 Thank goodness we have them. 25:51 Yes. 25:52 Why would the tooth infection, can you go through why that would make it so the STEM cells wouldn't work well? 25:58 Sure. 25:58 Okay. 25:59 Just one thing is, so a root canal or I think there's always an infection below it or infected tooth, whatever, that's an osteomyelitis. 26:08 He was a doctor, we know that. 26:09 Oh my gosh, if someone had an open fracture, We immediately could cut it open. 26:12 We remove it, cure it out of the bone, IV antibiotics. 26:15 Cause you know, that'll shorten their life or that could kill them. 26:18 And we knew of chronic mouth infection, greater risk of heart attack and stroke than being obese. 26:24 So, but it's robbing of all your antioxidants as well as it is a signal. 26:28 So I've had it happen. 26:29 One of my office people, I shot her knee with exosomes and she said, Dr. 26:33 Melvin, you know, she hadn't complained about her. 26:35 She always had plantar fasciitis. 26:36 I said my plant of fascia is gone now too. 26:39 Well, the stem cells did go to the knee, where do they need to repair? 26:42 And they went down to her heel. 26:45 And so imagine you put them down here, they're going to go and try to help out here as well in your mouth. 26:50 So that's the problem. 26:52 But also it's a big negative and it is a block for healing. 26:56 You had great neuro-therapy, if they didn't address your mouse there too, it either is not going hold you, you're not gonna get the effect and the doctor
Stem Cells, PRP, and Regenerative Medicine 27:03 will be frustrated if he's new and growing in his skills. 27:06 He did the right things, he missed something. 27:09 And that could be the why. 27:10 And I think that tooth needs to be cold or who knows, I'm not sure what it needs. 27:14 Or maybe do a neuro therapy around it and then go, oh my gosh, everything's better. 27:17 That shows you got a bad tooth. 27:18 You've got to go to an oral surgeon now. 27:20 So that's another way of using neuro-therapy diagnostically, at least in the mouth. 27:25 Yeah. 27:25 Well, thank you so much for sharing your wisdom. 27:28 Like we're so grateful to have you. 27:30 I am going to do lightning round with you, a few just fun questions. 27:34 Okay. 27:34 What is your favorite biohack or health strategy that actually works? 27:39 Well, I guess the spinopalatine ganglion shot. 27:42 Okay. 27:43 And boom, it affects so many different organs. 27:45 It's a great thing to have done. 27:48 I probably need to come to Michigan and have you do that on me. 27:50 If you could eliminate one toxin from the world today, what would it be? 27:54 I think it would still be mercury if we can clean, get mercury out of our system.
Lightning Round and Closing Information 28:00 A lot of people have said that, yeah. 28:02 Then what is one word you would like to leave with the audience this week? 28:06 I guess hope. 28:08 There is hope, hope for healing. 28:09 I love that. 28:11 And where can everyone find you at? 28:13 You still practice and you're a wealth of knowledge. 28:15 So how can listeners out there find it? 28:18 Yes. 28:19 I'm located in Lansing, Michigan. 28:21 My clinic is called Advanced Osteopathic Health and it's 3918 West St. 28:27 Joseph Highway in lansing Michigan and our contact number would be area code 517-323-1833 and I am open Monday through Friday. 28:37 Great. 28:38 Thank you so much. 28:39 I appreciate it.
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