Full Transcript 0:00 I actually had a patient come in the other day and he said, I haven't slept in 30 years. 0:04 And I looked at him, and I almost fell over. 0:06 I said you're joking, right? 0:07 He said no, really I have not slept for 30 year. 0:10 If you can get me to sleep, then I will love you forever. 0:14 Week one, he slept straight through the night for three nights. 0:23 Hi, it's Dr. 0:24 Jenn. 0:24 Welcome back to the Healthy by Dr Jenn podcast. 0:27 Today, we're going to be talking to Dr Deb Schreibman. 0:31 She graduated from Life University College of Chiropractic. 0:34 she's a doctor of chiroactic medicine and certified in functional medicine. 0:43 Dr. 0:44 Deb determines the underlying cause of your body's issue and addresses it directly. 0:50 She's an international best-selling author of Your Journey to Wellness, and she's seen regularly on television speaking about health care issues. 0:59 Dr. 0:59 Deb's goals and recommendations are individually and unique to each patient, and she believes in treating the whole person and addressing not only their symptoms, 1:10 but the underlying factors contributing to their health challenges. 1:13 Welcome, Dr Deb, excited to have you. 1:15 Thanks, Doctor Deb. 1:17 It's nice to be here. 1:18 Yes. 1:18 Well, tell me a little bit about your story. 1:21 How did you first get interested into functional medicine? 1:25 So it was an interesting transition for me because as a chiropractor, what happened was I was seeing all kinds of patients that were coming in with pain. 1:34 However, over the years, it wasn't just pain anymore. 1:39 I seeing them come in, with fatigue, sleep issues, weight gain, they just couldn't lose the weight. 1:46 With women coming with hormone imbalances, although they didn't know they were hormone imbalance, but they're getting those hot flashes, 1:54 like a volcano out of the top of your head. 1:56 Plus I was seeing, you know, not just one medication, but five medications, six medications. 2:03 So for me, I thought to myself, gosh, why am I seeing so many people coming in sicker and sickier and not pain? 2:12 And instead of asking, okay, what's going on? 2:15 I'm asking why is this happening to this person? 2:18 Then what can I do to help support them better? 2:20 So that was my transition from chiropractic care to integrating functional medicine in with chriopractic care. 2:27 So I want to replace it, but I wanna be better for my patients. 2:32 Yeah, it's really hard when people come in and they're like, I'm doing everything and like you alluded to on multiple prescriptions, 2:41 which just cause more issues. 2:43 So definitely it's always hard too because they'll get basic lab work. 2:50 How often do we hear that is, but my basic work is normal. 2:54 Then they're like, well, I must need an antidepressant because my labs are fine, right? 2:58 So why do you think labs aren't telling the whole story? 3:01 Well, what you were just saying is actually the key. 3:05 Most people are coming in and they're saying to me, oh, I just had all my labs done. 3:10 And then I ask, well, let me take a peek at them. 3:12 But they are the minimum labs that are being done, so for example, a thyroid panel, right? 3:19 It's TSH with maybe free T4 these days, but we test nine things for them, we're looking at the true function of that thyroid for I see you have a symptom, 3:33 right? 3:33 You've got brain fog, you've fatigue, your hair's falling out, or you're gaining weight, and you don't know why. 3:38 You haven't changed anything in your life. 3:40 And the doctor says, well, everything looks good, OR your TSH is too high or too low. 3:46 So here, take this prescription. 3:48 They're looking at those symptoms instead of the underlying cause, but they can't understand the cause if they're not testing as deeply. 3:56 Sometimes it's not as broad, it just needs to be a deeper test for our patients so that we can figure out what's truly going on with them. 4:03 And so, that I think is one of the big issues that were seeing is that, we're just not getting the right tests done to find out whats really going so then 4:13 we know what we need to do to really help them, to help fix. 4:18 So they feel like they're all soft again because there's nothing worse. 4:22 Yeah, and the thyroid stuff is particularly annoying for me because I had Hashimoto's and it's reversed now and The Lord gave that to me so I could do 4:32 what I do now. 4:35 But it was crazy because I would get gaslit. 4:37 I remember as a medical student, I went in there to the endocrinologist's office with papers on T3 therapy. 4:44 And I was like, can I try this? 4:46 Like, feeling like depression. 4:52 I've never felt that before. 4:53 Cognitively, I was not good. 4:55 So they did let me have some teeth. 4:58 Or I felt like a drug seeker. 5:00 Well, but you know, it was crazy. 5:02 You're bringing up a really good point. 5:03 And you have to advocate for your health more and more today, because for whatever reason, insurance companies, the doctors can't, 5:13 whatever it is, these tests aren't being done or things aren''t being and so when you go in and go, oh wait, you know what, 5:20 I just saw that you could do a nerve block for this or I saw there's a medication that's more natural than this other medication, 5:30 can I try it? 5:32 Instead of our doctor saying, hey, Let's try this other medication and let's see if we can give you some better support. 5:39 Or, hey, you've got some brain fog, maybe you have that MTHFR mutation. 5:44 Maybe we need to see your body is methylated. 5:47 We need see that your gut isn't working right and doing what we needed to be doing, but they can't or they don't. 5:53 Yeah, it's a whole mess, the insurance model. 5:56 And I really tell people, insurance, what you get with your insurance is sick care. 6:02 You can get some preventative tests. 6:04 If something, if we're concerned, we can some coverage on procedures or ultrasounds. 6:10 Sometimes I prescribe medication, but the thing is they have to understand that you are just paying for emergency, crisis, 6:20 just like car insurance. 6:21 You know, you don't get to get your car washed with your Car Insurance or Detail. 6:26 You get the pay extra. 6:27 So I think that that is, I always like to discuss like, hey, You just got to put money aside for your health and dig deeper. 6:35 Because what's more important than your Health, right? 6:37 You can't take your money with you, so you might as well use it. 6:41 Somebody said to me once, and I've always brought this with me, They said, you know, if your house is on fire, they're going to put out the fire. 6:53 Hopefully everybody's okay. 6:55 The next day you're not going call the Fire Department to come and get your House fixed. 7:00 You're gonna call The Insurance Company and then they are going bring in people to inspectors and see what they have to fix. 7:07 So you can't just use one model, right? 7:11 And I think that's where we get stuck. 7:13 It's all just insurance, insurance insurance. 7:16 And you have you to invest in your own health, because if you're not investing in health who knows what happens. 7:23 What has been the biggest challenge to get people, to not feel overwhelmed when you tell them that there's probably a root cause you need to discover? 7:32 Well, there's a couple of really big challenges. 7:34 I think money is one of them, like we were talking about, because people don't think to put money away. 7:41 We think emergency fund for our house, if something happens, emergency funds for the car, for kids, all that stuff, but we forget that we need emergency 7:51 funding for health. 7:52 That's been a big one. 7:55 Understanding that there is a root cause, people in our sick care system are looking at what doctors are saying to them, 8:05 right? 8:05 Oh, well, you have diabetes. 8:07 I hate saying that. 8:09 You know what? 8:10 You have a symptom and it's high blood sugar or you high cholesterol or high pressure. 8:17 These are symptoms and your body is giving you information that something is going on. 8:23 Now we need to take that information, test deeper, figure out what it is that's going and then we can fix it. 8:29 But if we don't have all of the information How are we going to fix it? 8:33 Yeah. 8:33 And it's crazy. 8:34 It's almost like medical hexing, right? 8:36 Like when they're like, well, you have diabetes or you're this, and then it gets imprinted, in their mind, their identity. 8:43 Then Satan, the enemy, he'll feed in on on that, right? 8:48 And then that will, your choices will be, well, I'm already a diabetic. 8:51 I might as well just eat that donut. 8:53 Like it's really hard. 8:55 And I've had to tell patients like, you are not this diagnosis, like rebuke that in Jesus' name. 9:00 So, and I don't like I went to medical school. 9:04 We are trained for a test and pharmaceutical did have their hand in there. 9:09 If anyone wants to go down a rabbit hole to the Rockefellers. 9:11 going down that rabbit hole would be here all day. 9:13 Well, yeah, but like, it's, you know, like diagnosed. 9:17 So let me ask you this. 9:19 Don't you think it is crazy how now we just have all these random names for just a cluster of symptoms like POTS? 9:26 Like, and like you don't have Pots, You have symptoms of something that is causing, this postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome. 9:36 I mean, in the chiropractic world, It's fibromyalgia. 9:39 Yes, but they own this. 9:41 It's their identity. 9:42 Yes. 9:42 And that goes back to even anyone listening out there. 9:47 If you've been given fibromyalgia or something, POTS, because they wear it as a badge of honor, it was really sad. 9:55 This nurse that I worked with her all through my residency, she was diagnosed with Pots post the jab. 10:05 And yeah, because she was forced to get it, and she trying to help, but it wasn't soon enough. 10:10 And she didn't end well. 10:13 This is the problem. 10:15 We're not doing due diligence, not talking about these hard things and saying, look, you can do stuff. 10:21 But it does take a little work. 10:23 So what is most challenging thing? 10:26 Is it diet, would you say, to just get people to change? 10:30 Or just relaxation? 10:32 I think it's a combination, moms, right? 10:36 We put ourselves last. 10:38 It's our kids, it our spouses, It our jobs, because so many families have to have two parents working hard. 10:47 Nowadays, a lot of women are working and men are losing their jobs. 10:52 And so I that's really big issue. 10:55 Gosh, I don't know. 10:58 Yeah. 10:58 No, I'd agree with that. 10:59 I've been making this habit subconsciously.I keep telling women to cut their shifts down at work. 11:06 Or I'm like, how can you do it? 11:07 Because they're juggling it all. 11:09 They're Juggling the schedule, which is like its own job, right? 11:13 If they have multiple kids and stuff. 11:15 So yeah, I really see a lot of adrenal problems that are hand-in-hand with thyroid. 11:21 Every single day. 11:24 I actually had a patient come in the other day and he said, I haven't slept in 30 years. 11:28 And I looked at him, and I almost fell over. 11:31 You're joking, right? 11:31 He said no, really I have not slept for 30 year. 11:34 If you can get me to sleep, then I will love you forever. 11:39 This is what he wants. 11:40 He wants to sleep. 11:41 I know he needs other things. 11:43 Yes. 11:43 You know, it's adrenals and I can call it whatever, but he WANTS to SLEEP. 11:47 So that's the first thing I worked on with him. 11:49 And week one, he slept straight through the night for three nights. 11:53 Wow. 11:54 That's amazing. 11:55 Like he was just like up and down at night all night? 11:58 All night long. 11:58 Four times, five times. 11:59 Six times sometimes. 12:00 Sometimes he would get up, and not even get back into bed because he'd get so frustrated because it wasn't sleeping at all. 12:05 Well, that is torture. 12:06 It's literally torture not to or not get sleep. 12:10 So what did you do? 12:10 What was? 12:12 I worked on adrenal function with him. 12:14 I talked about sleep hygiene and what's the temperature in your room? 12:17 And what are you doing an hour before you go to sleep? 12:20 How much are eating? 12:21 Are you eating right before bed? 12:23 If you don't have a blood sugar issue, then you really don�t need the protein. 12:26 Give yourself a few hours. 12:29 Don't drink so much right after bedtime. 12:31 Take your vitamins a little bit earlier if you have to. 12:34 And he slept. 12:37 Does he love you forever then? 12:38 Yes. 12:39 He was in tears. 12:40 A man in my office. 12:41 I probably see 80% women, 20% men, some kids. 12:43 But just that, he made me cry. 12:52 Well, it's beautiful when it actually works and they take that advice and put it into habits. 13:00 It's all about habits, what you do day in and day out. 13:03 So what about the perimenopausal women? 13:05 How do you feel they're being misled nowadays? 13:10 I feel like perimenopausal women, menoposal woman, they have all of these symptoms and then they are just told you have to live with it. 13:19 This is your new health, this is the new you. 13:22 And I'm like, when they told me that, my OB-GYN, who I loved dearly, I was like wait a minute. 13:30 I don't think so. 13:31 I'm not going to feel like this all the time. 13:35 Covers on, covers off, all night long. 13:38 My husband's fanning me in the restaurant with a menu. 13:42 And I thought, I can't live like that. 13:44 There is no way. 13:46 That's when I kind of started to dive more deeply into bioidentical hormone replacement therapy, what else can we do, supplements, 13:54 nutraceuticals, those kinds of things. 13:57 So women are being told, you just have to live with this. 14:00 And you know, in fact, men, andropause, they're being taught the same thing. 14:04 You just kind of have live this stuff. 14:06 I know they are now. 14:06 It's like they don't want anyone to actually like Be healthy and be optimal, yeah. 14:11 Oh, they don't make money when people are healthy. 14:14 Yeah. 14:15 Well, in the perimenopause, what they're always given is a progestin, so a synthetic pro testosterone, which actually does the opposite of pro-gesterone. 14:24 It squeezes the blood vessels, the vasoconstricted set of vasodilates, just bad stuff. 14:30 And then they are given an antidepressant. 14:33 I mean, how many times have you seen that? 14:36 And the women that come to me, they're like, I just don't accept this. 14:40 I know this isn't right. 14:41 They know intuitively. 14:42 Like, no. 14:43 Yeah. 14:44 But the problem is half of them feel it. 14:47 You know, you've lived in your body your whole life. 14:50 So when something is not right, so when you go to the doctor and they say, No, everything looks good. 14:57 Your labs are normal. 14:59 I know, I've lived in my body, something isn't right. 15:03 And same thing with hormone imbalance, you know? 15:06 So you don't just have to take it, but you do have dig. 15:10 So I see that all the time. 15:12 Antidepressants, hormones, and then you ask them, well, what kind of hormones and did they do labs first? 15:18 I have had so many patients come in with pellets and I say, okay. 15:25 Uh-huh. 15:27 Let me see your labs before your pellets. 15:29 And what are your pallets? 15:30 I don't know what they are. 15:31 Can I see you labs? 15:32 Well, they didn't do labs. 15:34 What happened? 15:34 And I just told them what I felt like and they just did this and now they're getting the scar tissue and all kinds of stuff and if they don t feel good still. 15:42 So they re on their pellet. 15:44 They still don' tfeel good. 15:45 Their still not sleeping. 15:46 The still have brain fog. 15:47 There still gaining weight. 15:49 and their stuck with it because now their there. 15:51 Pellets are a red flag. 15:53 Yeah. 15:54 I mean, I recommend that people just don't get hormones at med spas because what's happening, so I used to have, when I had a brick and mortar in Ohio, 16:03 we had an aesthetic branch, a natural aesthetics with like micro needling and I wear frownies, it was like all more natural stuff, 16:11 lasers, and the GLP ones, the hormones, they come in there and they're like, here, this is how you add a revenue stream to your practice. 16:21 And they take a weekend course, which is not enough, and show you how to inject pellets. 16:28 But the problem is these meds are really good at advertising. 16:32 This is what they do. 16:34 So they get you to pain points. 16:37 And then, this is really what the do, they put women on really high dose testosterone. 16:43 For the first few months they feel amazing when they have that because it's It's going to give them a little boost, but then they crash and burn. 16:50 But they've already told a bunch of their friends. 16:52 So it's this horrible cycle, I feel like. 16:56 I've had to bite my tongue to just not be disrespectful because I don't want to talk bad about people. 17:08 not good hormone regimens like oral estrogens and stuff. 17:11 I'm sure you've seen it all too. 17:13 It's scary. 17:14 Oh, I've see it. 17:15 And then they love you when you help them straighten it out. 17:20 Now, as a chiropractor, i can't put them on medications and I can take them off medications because it's out of my scope of practice. 17:28 So I have to tell them, look, this is the information that I know. 17:31 You have go talk to your doctor about it and really advocate for your health or you have to go to a doctor like you that can really walk through that, 17:40 that's gonna believe in what you believe. 17:43 But you're being an advocate in calling out red flags. 17:48 So that what I teach my health coaches. 17:50 I'm like, here are red flag, I give them examples. 17:54 This is a red fly, you can't take them off of it, but just alert them. 17:59 Like the house is on fire, something's wrong. 18:03 Right, and so once they're alerted, Most of them are like, okay, wait a minute, yeah, that sounds right. 18:10 So I'm gonna look into it, they learn about it. 18:12 They go on chat or whatever they do these days. 18:16 But then they go and advocate for themselves and they have a voice. 18:21 And I think that is so important for men and women, but women especially, right? 18:27 They need to have voice, And I think that's what we all are working towards is giving women and men a voice. 18:36 Absolutely. 18:37 Now fibromyalgia, what have you found most commonly? 18:40 What are a few root causes you have found for that if anyone out there is struggling? 18:44 A lot of times it's their gut. 18:48 Leaky gut, SIBO, small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, sleep habits, lack of movement, they're not moving, their sedentary all day, 19:00 then they are driving their kids to all their different practices. 19:04 The quality of the foods that they're eating, they don't know about glyphosates and the plastics and pesticides and herbicides and insecticides, 19:13 and fungicides, the stuff, you know, because they hide the names now, right? 19:19 So instead of calling it sugar, They call it something else. 19:22 And so you think, oh, there's no sugar in there. 19:24 Lots of greenwashing on labels. 19:26 Yes. 19:26 Sometimes I'm even like, I get so excited. 19:28 I pick it up and I think this looks good. 19:30 Then I flip it over. 19:31 That sucks. 19:33 I know, my patients do that all the time. 19:35 They bring me things, they text me pictures. 19:38 What do you think about this thing? 19:39 And I look at it, oh my gosh. 19:42 It's mostly good, except hello, there's sucralose in there. 19:46 That is Splenda. 19:47 Yes, all those drinks. 19:48 I hate that, yes. 19:49 I know. 19:50 And they don't know, so I work really hard to educate. 19:53 Yeah. 19:54 There's hope for everyone out there that has fatigue that doesn't... 19:59 Like you were saying, we know our body. 20:01 If something feels off, get to the root cause. 20:04 Yes. 20:04 So I want to ask you two rapid fire questions as we wrap up. 20:07 Go. 20:08 Okay. 20:08 if you can eliminate one toxin tomorrow, what would it be? 20:13 Oh, gosh. 20:14 Probably, do you mean from the world? 20:17 Anything, yeah. 20:18 Plastics. 20:19 Oh. 20:19 All plastics. 20:19 Glyphosates and plastics? 20:21 Yeah. 20:22 Well, I like, no one's ever said plastics, because that would really just... 20:27 Yep. 20:28 That would be crazy. 20:29 It's building up in our brains now. 20:30 No Ziploc storage bags. 20:33 They actually have compostable ones now, you can get them on Amazon. 20:36 Nice. 20:37 Yeah, all right. 20:37 I'll check that out. 20:38 Next one, what is your favorite personal biohack that you do? 20:42 I don't know, I do so many. 20:45 I try to make sure I get enough sleep. 20:48 Yes. 20:48 Yeah. 20:49 And I go to sleep at the same time every night, wake up no matter what day of the week it is, keep my room at 66, which my husband loves, 20:56 by the way, and eat as healthy as I can. 20:59 The other thing is I give myself grace. 21:03 Because I can't be perfect, nobody's perfect. 21:05 So you know if I'm good 80% of the time then the other 20% percent of time my body can handle it. 21:12 I think grace is a big one. 21:14 It's good, it's all about balance. 21:16 Dr. 21:17 Dub, thank you so much for your time today. 21:19 How can everyone find you and work with you? 21:22 And you're in Atlanta, so we're kind of close. 21:26 Yes, please tell everyone. 21:28 I own Lake Point Wellness Center and it's point with an E because everybody gets it wrong and that's in Kennesaw, Georgia, 21:35 which is just a little north of Atlanta. 21:37 Our phone number is 770-974-5215. 21:38 If you want to email me directly, my email is drdebb at feelbetterhere.com. 21:51 That's so sweet of you. 21:52 I hope people email you, that's very kind of. 21:54 Thank you so much.
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