Full Transcript Introduction and Counseling Mission 0:01 Welcome to the Wellness [music] on Tap 0:01 Welcome to the Wellness [music] on Tap podcast with your host Dr. Debs 0:04 podcast with your host Dr. Debs 0:04 podcast with your host Dr. Debs Eastwood. 0:06 Eastwood. 0:06 Eastwood. >> So, you've had an interesting 0:09 >> So, you've had an interesting 0:09 >> So, you've had an interesting journey to get to what you're doing now, 0:11 journey to get to what you're doing now, 0:11 journey to get to what you're doing now, haven't you? 0:12 haven't you? 0:12 haven't you? >> Yes. Just a little 0:14 >> Yes. Just a little 0:14 >> Yes. Just a little >> just a little tiny tiny tiny weeny 0:16 >> just a little tiny tiny tiny weeny 0:16 >> just a little tiny tiny tiny weeny little bit. [snorts and clears throat] 0:17 little bit. [snorts and clears throat] 0:17 little bit. [snorts and clears throat] >> And what you're doing now is you and 0:19 >> And what you're doing now is you and 0:19 >> And what you're doing now is you and another lovely lady, Rosanna, are 0:21 another lovely lady, Rosanna, are 0:21 another lovely lady, Rosanna, are offering counseling services. 0:23 offering counseling services. 0:24 offering counseling services. >> Mhm. 0:25 >> Mhm. 0:25 >> Mhm. >> That's where we're going to end up. 0:27 >> That's where we're going to end up. 0:27 >> That's where we're going to end up. >> Okay. Where is the beginning of this 0:29 >> Okay. Where is the beginning of this 0:29 >> Okay. Where is the beginning of this journey for you?
Leaving the Forces and PTSD Diagnosis 0:31 journey for you? 0:31 journey for you? >> Um the journey for myself started after 0:34 >> Um the journey for myself started after 0:34 >> Um the journey for myself started after I'd left the forces. 0:36 I'd left the forces. 0:36 I'd left the forces. Uh I left in 2004. Um and I was trying 0:41 Uh I left in 2004. Um and I was trying 0:41 Uh I left in 2004. Um and I was trying to start my own business at the time, 0:43 to start my own business at the time, 0:43 to start my own business at the time, but that um wasn't coming to fruition. 0:46 but that um wasn't coming to fruition. 0:46 but that um wasn't coming to fruition. Um and I was getting angry all the time 0:50 Um and I was getting angry all the time 0:50 Um and I was getting angry all the time and depressed and I'd started drinking a 0:54 and depressed and I'd started drinking a 0:54 and depressed and I'd started drinking a lot more often. Um, but the an the anger 0:57 lot more often. Um, but the an the anger 0:58 lot more often. Um, but the an the anger was always there and I didn't realize 0:59 was always there and I didn't realize 0:59 was always there and I didn't realize where it was coming from until I had a 1:02 where it was coming from until I had a 1:02 where it was coming from until I had a massive massive breakdown, which 1:05 massive massive breakdown, which 1:05 massive massive breakdown, which unfortunately ended the relationship at 1:06 unfortunately ended the relationship at 1:06 unfortunately ended the relationship at the time. Um, and then about a month or 1:10 the time. Um, and then about a month or 1:10 the time. Um, and then about a month or so after the breakup of the 1:12 so after the breakup of the 1:12 so after the breakup of the relationship, I went to speak to a 1:14 relationship, I went to speak to a 1:14 relationship, I went to speak to a doctor about all the issues that I've 1:16 doctor about all the issues that I've 1:16 doctor about all the issues that I've been having since leaving the forces. 1:18 been having since leaving the forces. 1:18 been having since leaving the forces. Um, and he diagnosed me with 1:19 Um, and he diagnosed me with 1:19 Um, and he diagnosed me with post-traumatic stress disorder. H 1:22 post-traumatic stress disorder. H 1:22 post-traumatic stress disorder. H >> not a huge surprise in hindsight, I'm 1:24 >> not a huge surprise in hindsight, I'm 1:24 >> not a huge surprise in hindsight, I'm sure. 1:25 sure. 1:25 sure. >> No, no. I mean, I'd heard about it, but 1:28 >> No, no. I mean, I'd heard about it, but 1:28 >> No, no. I mean, I'd heard about it, but it was one of those things that it's 1:30 it was one of those things that it's 1:30 it was one of those things that it's like, oh, it's it's a myth. It's not me. 1:32 like, oh, it's it's a myth. It's not me. 1:32 like, oh, it's it's a myth. It's not me. I I don't suffer with things like that. 1:34 I I don't suffer with things like that. 1:34 I I don't suffer with things like that. [snorts] I mean, physically, up until 1:36 [snorts] I mean, physically, up until 1:36 [snorts] I mean, physically, up until recently, I've never been ill. And I had 1:39 recently, I've never been ill. And I had 1:39 recently, I've never been ill. And I had all the childhood diseases, but I never 1:40 all the childhood diseases, but I never 1:40 all the childhood diseases, but I never got ill. And to be told that you've got 1:44 got ill. And to be told that you've got 1:44 got ill. And to be told that you've got a a mental disorder, it was quite 1:47 a a mental disorder, it was quite 1:47 a a mental disorder, it was quite shocking. Um, 1:49 shocking. Um, 1:49 shocking. Um, >> and it was scary to think that 1:52 >> and it was scary to think that 1:52 >> and it was scary to think that everything that was going on was because 1:54 everything that was going on was because 1:54 everything that was going on was because of stuff, the trauma that had happened 1:56 of stuff, the trauma that had happened 1:56 of stuff, the trauma that had happened in the past, obviously. 1:57 in the past, obviously. 1:58 in the past, obviously. >> Yeah. Cuz you've got to be fit and 1:59 >> Yeah. Cuz you've got to be fit and 1:59 >> Yeah. Cuz you've got to be fit and healthy to be in the forces, haven't 2:01 healthy to be in the forces, haven't 2:01 healthy to be in the forces, haven't you? 2:01 you? 2:01 you? >> Yeah. But I mean, the
Military Culture, Trauma, and Support Gaps 2:05 >> Yeah. But I mean, the 2:05 >> Yeah. But I mean, the I think during the time in the forces, 2:08 I think during the time in the forces, 2:08 I think during the time in the forces, you kept that busy that you don't even 2:10 you kept that busy that you don't even 2:10 you kept that busy that you don't even think about it. You don't get time to 2:12 think about it. You don't get time to 2:12 think about it. You don't get time to think about it. you're always on the 2:14 think about it. you're always on the 2:14 think about it. you're always on the move or if you're on leave, you're 2:16 move or if you're on leave, you're 2:16 move or if you're on leave, you're always partying hard. That that was the 2:18 always partying hard. That that was the 2:18 always partying hard. That that was the thing. Work hard, play hard, right? 2:20 thing. Work hard, play hard, right? 2:20 thing. Work hard, play hard, right? >> Um that was the mentality that we had. 2:23 >> Um that was the mentality that we had. 2:23 >> Um that was the mentality that we had. Um and we never discussed things. It was 2:25 Um and we never discussed things. It was 2:25 Um and we never discussed things. It was like feelings and things like that were 2:27 like feelings and things like that were 2:27 like feelings and things like that were never discussed. Um and then after you 2:30 never discussed. Um and then after you 2:30 never discussed. Um and then after you leave, there's no sort of help. 2:35 leave, there's no sort of help. 2:35 leave, there's no sort of help. >> Um not as much as there is now. Um but 2:40 >> Um not as much as there is now. Um but 2:40 >> Um not as much as there is now. Um but there was there was a little bit of help 2:41 there was there was a little bit of help 2:41 there was there was a little bit of help but you had to really look for it. Um 2:44 but you had to really look for it. Um 2:44 but you had to really look for it. Um and having that having those issues and 2:47 and having that having those issues and 2:47 and having that having those issues and not having anyone to talk to it causes 2:50 not having anyone to talk to it causes 2:50 not having anyone to talk to it causes well as I say it caused a massive 2:52 well as I say it caused a massive 2:52 well as I say it caused a massive breakdown. 2:53 breakdown. 2:53 breakdown. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm not surprising you you 2:56 >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm not surprising you you 2:56 >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm not surprising you you you're one of many in that sense, aren't 2:58 you're one of many in that sense, aren't 2:58 you're one of many in that sense, aren't you? Sadly. 2:59 you? Sadly. 2:59 you? Sadly. >> Yeah. I mean the the the numbers are 3:02 >> Yeah. I mean the the the numbers are 3:02 >> Yeah. I mean the the the numbers are increasing all the time. I mean more 3:04 increasing all the time. I mean more 3:04 increasing all the time. I mean more more recent years you've got the Afghan 3:06 more recent years you've got the Afghan 3:06 more recent years you've got the Afghan wars but people seem to get forget the 3:08 wars but people seem to get forget the 3:08 wars but people seem to get forget the guys that were in the fog clans Northern 3:11 guys that were in the fog clans Northern 3:11 guys that were in the fog clans Northern Ireland Bosnia Kosovo the those sort of 3:14 Ireland Bosnia Kosovo the those sort of 3:14 Ireland Bosnia Kosovo the those sort of wars seem to have been put to the side 3:16 wars seem to have been put to the side 3:16 wars seem to have been put to the side um and it's more about the modern day 3:18 um and it's more about the modern day 3:18 um and it's more about the modern day conflicts but it's the older guys that 3:21 conflicts but it's the older guys that 3:21 conflicts but it's the older guys that are now realizing that a lot of their 3:23 are now realizing that a lot of their 3:23 are now realizing that a lot of their issues are due to the fact that it's 3:26 issues are due to the fact that it's 3:26 issues are due to the fact that it's trauma related.
Homelessness, Budgeting, and Recovery 3:28 trauma related. 3:28 trauma related. >> Yeah. I mean, one of those wars in 3:30 >> Yeah. I mean, one of those wars in 3:30 >> Yeah. I mean, one of those wars in particular, this will let you know 3:32 particular, this will let you know 3:32 particular, this will let you know exactly when it was. I was going out to 3:35 exactly when it was. I was going out to 3:35 exactly when it was. I was going out to see my cousin in Sydney and I flew on 3:38 see my cousin in Sydney and I flew on 3:38 see my cousin in Sydney and I flew on Yuguslav Airlines. 3:40 Yuguslav Airlines. 3:40 Yuguslav Airlines. >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] 3:42 >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] 3:42 >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] In 1994. So I and the reason that it 3:46 In 1994. So I and the reason that it 3:46 In 1994. So I and the reason that it really sticks in my head um one amongst 3:51 really sticks in my head um one amongst 3:51 really sticks in my head um one amongst many is that there was a long layover 3:55 many is that there was a long layover 3:56 many is that there was a long layover in Yugoslavia, which is obviously a 3:58 in Yugoslavia, which is obviously a 3:58 in Yugoslavia, which is obviously a relatively short flight from here 3:59 relatively short flight from here 3:59 relatively short flight from here considering what I got left to do. 4:01 considering what I got left to do. 4:01 considering what I got left to do. [snorts] 4:02 [snorts] 4:02 [snorts] And the seating was awful in the 4:05 And the seating was awful in the 4:05 And the seating was awful in the airport. And I found a set of stairs and 4:07 airport. And I found a set of stairs and 4:07 airport. And I found a set of stairs and I wandered down these stairs and there 4:09 I wandered down these stairs and there 4:09 I wandered down these stairs and there was, you know, comfy sofas a little bit 4:11 was, you know, comfy sofas a little bit 4:11 was, you know, comfy sofas a little bit like this. 4:13 like this. 4:13 like this. Oh, brilliant. So, I went and sat on one 4:16 Oh, brilliant. So, I went and sat on one 4:16 Oh, brilliant. So, I went and sat on one of those sofas. 4:18 of those sofas. 4:18 of those sofas. I think I kicked my shoes off and put 4:20 I think I kicked my shoes off and put 4:20 I think I kicked my shoes off and put the feet up on the rrook sack. 4:23 the feet up on the rrook sack. 4:23 the feet up on the rrook sack. Next thing I know, 4:25 Next thing I know, 4:25 Next thing I know, I'm asleep and there's a guy 4:28 I'm asleep and there's a guy 4:28 I'm asleep and there's a guy full bulletproof vest with a big machine 4:31 full bulletproof vest with a big machine 4:31 full bulletproof vest with a big machine gun proddding me with this machine gun 4:34 gun proddding me with this machine gun 4:34 gun proddding me with this machine gun [laughter] to wake me up. I mean, I was 4:36 [laughter] to wake me up. I mean, I was 4:36 [laughter] to wake me up. I mean, I was 25. 4:37 25. 4:37 25. >> Yeah. 4:38 >> Yeah. 4:38 >> Yeah. >> That scared the living [ __ ] out of me. 4:41 >> That scared the living [ __ ] out of me. 4:41 >> That scared the living [ __ ] out of me. Um, you know, and obviously neither of 4:43 Um, you know, and obviously neither of 4:43 Um, you know, and obviously neither of us could speak. 4:44 us could speak. 4:44 us could speak. >> Yeah. [laughter] 4:46 >> Yeah. [laughter] 4:46 >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. I'm going 4:48 >> Yeah. I'm going 4:48 >> Yeah. I'm going >> Yeah. [snorts] 4:49 >> Yeah. [snorts] 4:49 >> Yeah. [snorts] >> But so that was as close as I got. 4:52 >> But so that was as close as I got. 4:52 >> But so that was as close as I got. >> Yeah. 4:53 >> Yeah. 4:53 >> Yeah. >> Um 4:54 >> Um 4:54 >> Um >> I [snorts] mean that must have been 4:55 >> I [snorts] mean that must have been 4:55 >> I [snorts] mean that must have been scary for you in that sense. I mean it 4:58 scary for you in that sense. I mean it 4:58 scary for you in that sense. I mean it was because you know I knew it it hadn't 5:01 was because you know I knew it it hadn't 5:01 was because you know I knew it it hadn't broken out at that point but whilst I 5:04 broken out at that point but whilst I 5:04 broken out at that point but whilst I was there cuz I was there for a couple 5:06 was there cuz I was there for a couple 5:06 was there cuz I was there for a couple of months uh 3 months 5:10 of months uh 3 months 5:10 of months uh 3 months I could hear about it on the news and 5:13 I could hear about it on the news and 5:13 I could hear about it on the news and I'm like oh great so I'm going to fly 5:15 I'm like oh great so I'm going to fly 5:15 I'm like oh great so I'm going to fly back into a country at war. marvelous 5:18 back into a country at war. marvelous 5:18 back into a country at war. marvelous and so I'm glad it didn't happen on the 5:20 and so I'm glad it didn't happen on the 5:20 and so I'm glad it didn't happen on the return journey or something. [laughter] 5:23 return journey or something. [laughter] 5:23 return journey or something. [laughter] >> That would have had a different 5:24 >> That would have had a different 5:24 >> That would have had a different connotation altogether. But you know 5:26 connotation altogether. But you know 5:26 connotation altogether. But you know that is trivia. It's nothing. I'm 5:28 that is trivia. It's nothing. I'm 5:28 that is trivia. It's nothing. I'm laughing about it as to what you know 5:31 laughing about it as to what you know 5:31 laughing about it as to what you know yourself and your colleagues. 5:33 yourself and your colleagues. 5:33 yourself and your colleagues. >> I mean a lot of the time 5:36 >> I mean a lot of the time 5:36 >> I mean a lot of the time >> while when the things have happened we 5:39 >> while when the things have happened we 5:39 >> while when the things have happened we we have that mentality to deal with it. 5:41 we have that mentality to deal with it. 5:41 we have that mentality to deal with it. it it becomes like a a dark humor u 5:45 it it becomes like a a dark humor u 5:46 it it becomes like a a dark humor u while you're in there but it's as I say 5:48 while you're in there but it's as I say 5:48 while you're in there but it's as I say it's once you've lost that brotherhood 5:51 it's once you've lost that brotherhood 5:51 it's once you've lost that brotherhood once you're out and you're left to your 5:52 once you're out and you're left to your 5:52 once you're out and you're left to your own devices and they do leave you to 5:54 own devices and they do leave you to 5:54 own devices and they do leave you to your own devices 5:56 your own devices 5:56 your own devices >> that's when the suffering starts 5:58 >> that's when the suffering starts 5:58 >> that's when the suffering starts >> um I mean some guys do stay in touch uh 6:02 >> um I mean some guys do stay in touch uh 6:02 >> um I mean some guys do stay in touch uh a lot of us do drift apart but then come 6:04 a lot of us do drift apart but then come 6:04 a lot of us do drift apart but then come together for remembrance Sunday 6:07 together for remembrance Sunday 6:07 together for remembrance Sunday >> and even on remembrance Sunday it's like 6:10 >> and even on remembrance Sunday it's like 6:10 >> and even on remembrance Sunday it's like we've never been apart But it's the dark 6:12 we've never been apart But it's the dark 6:12 we've never been apart But it's the dark humor stuff. 6:13 humor stuff. 6:13 humor stuff. >> It's never actually, 6:15 >> It's never actually, 6:15 >> It's never actually, >> we never actually dealt with the issues 6:17 >> we never actually dealt with the issues 6:17 >> we never actually dealt with the issues >> as and when they happened. 6:19 >> as and when they happened. 6:19 >> as and when they happened. >> Um I mean I'm not sure what it was like 6:21 >> Um I mean I'm not sure what it was like 6:22 >> Um I mean I'm not sure what it was like it's like these days, but I can't seem 6:24 it's like these days, but I can't seem 6:24 it's like these days, but I can't seem to see that it's changed that much. 6:26 to see that it's changed that much. 6:26 to see that it's changed that much. >> Yeah. 6:27 >> Yeah. 6:27 >> Yeah. >> Um 6:28 >> Um 6:28 >> Um >> so when was it that you came out? 6:29 >> so when was it that you came out? 6:29 >> so when was it that you came out? >> Uh I left in 2004. 6:31 >> Uh I left in 2004. 6:31 >> Uh I left in 2004. >> 2004. 6:33 >> 2004. 6:33 >> 2004. >> There's potentially plenty of time for 6:35 >> There's potentially plenty of time for 6:35 >> There's potentially plenty of time for it to change, but like you say, that 6:36 it to change, but like you say, that 6:36 it to change, but like you say, that doesn't necessarily mean it has, does 6:38 doesn't necessarily mean it has, does 6:38 doesn't necessarily mean it has, does it? 6:38 it? 6:38 it? >> No. No. I mean the the There was a study 6:41 >> No. No. I mean the the There was a study 6:41 >> No. No. I mean the the There was a study that was done a few years ago um with I 6:44 that was done a few years ago um with I 6:44 that was done a few years ago um with I mean as you know I was homeless on and 6:47 mean as you know I was homeless on and 6:47 mean as you know I was homeless on and off for seven years um there was a study 6:49 off for seven years um there was a study 6:49 off for seven years um there was a study done and it turned out that like 80% of 6:52 done and it turned out that like 80% of 6:52 done and it turned out that like 80% of the homeless living on the streets of 6:53 the homeless living on the streets of 6:54 the homeless living on the streets of London are actually ex forces 6:56 London are actually ex forces 6:56 London are actually ex forces um and it's the we come out we get into 7:01 um and it's the we come out we get into 7:01 um and it's the we come out we get into jobs civies don't understand the sense 7:03 jobs civies don't understand the sense 7:03 jobs civies don't understand the sense of humor complaints get made guys lose 7:05 of humor complaints get made guys lose 7:05 of humor complaints get made guys lose the jobs lose the houses and and it's 7:07 the jobs lose the houses and and it's 7:07 the jobs lose the houses and and it's it's a sad state of affairs I I The 7:10 it's a sad state of affairs I I The 7:10 it's a sad state of affairs I I The veterans do need the support and help. 7:13 veterans do need the support and help. 7:13 veterans do need the support and help. >> Absolutely. 7:14 >> Absolutely. 7:14 >> Absolutely. >> There needs to be 7:17 >> There needs to be 7:17 >> There needs to be debriefing 7:18 debriefing 7:18 debriefing and [snorts] support to rebuild. 7:20 and [snorts] support to rebuild. 7:20 and [snorts] support to rebuild. >> Yeah. Yeah. And so to rehabilitate into 7:23 >> Yeah. Yeah. And so to rehabilitate into 7:23 >> Yeah. Yeah. And so to rehabilitate into normal civilian life. Um, another one of 7:26 normal civilian life. Um, another one of 7:26 normal civilian life. Um, another one of the reasons the veterans seem to suffer 7:29 the reasons the veterans seem to suffer 7:29 the reasons the veterans seem to suffer is while you're in the forces, 7:31 is while you're in the forces, 7:31 is while you're in the forces, everything's paid for. You get your wage 7:33 everything's paid for. You get your wage 7:33 everything's paid for. You get your wage at the end of the month, that's yours. 7:36 at the end of the month, that's yours. 7:36 at the end of the month, that's yours. You're not taught how to budget. Um, so 7:39 You're not taught how to budget. Um, so 7:39 You're not taught how to budget. Um, so you're not taught about your rent, your 7:41 you're not taught about your rent, your 7:41 you're not taught about your rent, your council tax, your work bills, your gas 7:42 council tax, your work bills, your gas 7:42 council tax, your work bills, your gas rays, your electric bills. You're not 7:44 rays, your electric bills. You're not 7:44 rays, your electric bills. You're not taught about your overheads. It I mean, 7:46 taught about your overheads. It I mean, 7:46 taught about your overheads. It I mean, this was when I left. Again, I can't say 7:49 this was when I left. Again, I can't say 7:50 this was when I left. Again, I can't say what it's like today. Um, 7:52 what it's like today. Um, 7:52 what it's like today. Um, [clears throat] 7:53 [clears throat] 7:53 [clears throat] but your resettlement course uh was 7:56 but your resettlement course uh was 7:56 but your resettlement course uh was whatever company at the time was doing a 7:58 whatever company at the time was doing a 7:58 whatever company at the time was doing a lot of recruiting. That's where your 8:00 lot of recruiting. That's where your 8:00 lot of recruiting. That's where your resettlement course usually veered 8:03 resettlement course usually veered 8:03 resettlement course usually veered towards. 8:04 towards. 8:04 towards. >> So, not biased at all then? 8:06 >> So, not biased at all then? 8:06 >> So, not biased at all then? >> No. [laughter] 8:08 >> No. [laughter] 8:08 >> No. [laughter] No. Um I mean when I when I I was due to 8:12 No. Um I mean when I when I I was due to 8:12 No. Um I mean when I when I I was due to come out in 2000 but due to personal 8:14 come out in 2000 but due to personal 8:14 come out in 2000 but due to personal circumstances I ended up staying in and 8:17 circumstances I ended up staying in and 8:17 circumstances I ended up staying in and at the time it was building computers 8:19 at the time it was building computers 8:19 at the time it was building computers and MSTOS programming. So I went and did 8:22 and MSTOS programming. So I went and did 8:22 and MSTOS programming. So I went and did the resettlement course for that. Um 8:26 the resettlement course for that. Um 8:26 the resettlement course for that. Um but a lot of people were getting into it 8:29 but a lot of people were getting into it 8:29 but a lot of people were getting into it at that early stage cuz home PCs were 8:31 at that early stage cuz home PCs were 8:31 at that early stage cuz home PCs were becoming more fashionable. um laptops 8:34 becoming more fashionable. um laptops 8:34 becoming more fashionable. um laptops were still were just coming into 8:36 were still were just coming into 8:36 were still were just coming into fruition for households as well. Um so 8:39 fruition for households as well. Um so 8:39 fruition for households as well. Um so it was a big thing then and as I said 8:42 it was a big thing then and as I said 8:42 it was a big thing then and as I said due to personal circumstances 8:45 due to personal circumstances 8:45 due to personal circumstances um I ended up staying in 8:48 um I ended up staying in 8:48 um I ended up staying in >> uh but over the years it's like the guys 8:51 >> uh but over the years it's like the guys 8:51 >> uh but over the years it's like the guys have been veered off into resettlement 8:54 have been veered off into resettlement 8:54 have been veered off into resettlement and then it's like how to write a CV and 8:56 and then it's like how to write a CV and 8:56 and then it's like how to write a CV and a covering letter. There's none. There's 9:00 a covering letter. There's none. There's 9:00 a covering letter. There's none. There's no They've got the life skills. They 9:01 no They've got the life skills. They 9:01 no They've got the life skills. They know how to look after themselves. They 9:02 know how to look after themselves. They 9:02 know how to look after themselves. They know how to cook, clean, and stuff like 9:04 know how to cook, clean, and stuff like 9:04 know how to cook, clean, and stuff like that, but there's none of the budgeting 9:06 that, but there's none of the budgeting 9:06 that, but there's none of the budgeting skills, the important skills that they 9:08 skills, the important skills that they 9:08 skills, the important skills that they need to live a life. 9:09 need to live a life. 9:09 need to live a life. >> Yeah. Which 9:11 >> Yeah. Which 9:12 >> Yeah. Which bearing in mind what you've just said 9:13 bearing in mind what you've just said 9:13 bearing in mind what you've just said about being intermittently homeless, 9:15 about being intermittently homeless, 9:15 about being intermittently homeless, >> if you've got no concept of how to run a 9:17 >> if you've got no concept of how to run a 9:17 >> if you've got no concept of how to run a household financially, 9:20 household financially, 9:20 household financially, >> that's much more likely to happen, isn't 9:22 >> that's much more likely to happen, isn't 9:22 >> that's much more likely to happen, isn't it? And that's that's one of the main 9:24 it? And that's that's one of the main 9:24 it? And that's that's one of the main reasons I became homeless as well as the 9:27 reasons I became homeless as well as the 9:27 reasons I became homeless as well as the the relationship ended because of my 9:29 the relationship ended because of my 9:29 the relationship ended because of my breakdown. But again, it was because I I 9:32 breakdown. But again, it was because I I 9:32 breakdown. But again, it was because I I couldn't budget and that's why I kept 9:35 couldn't budget and that's why I kept 9:35 couldn't budget and that's why I kept becoming homeless over the years is 9:37 becoming homeless over the years is 9:37 becoming homeless over the years is because I was never taught. 9:38 because I was never taught. 9:38 because I was never taught. >> Um and even 9:42 >> Um and even 9:42 >> Um and even I think seven years before I became sort 9:45 I think seven years before I became sort 9:45 I think seven years before I became sort of stable and even then I struggled with 9:48 of stable and even then I struggled with 9:48 of stable and even then I struggled with it. Um, but from 2013 to now, it's been 9:55 it. Um, but from 2013 to now, it's been 9:55 it. Um, but from 2013 to now, it's been a long hard struggle because it's been a 9:57 a long hard struggle because it's been a 9:57 a long hard struggle because it's been a survival. It's like, right, I've got to 9:58 survival. It's like, right, I've got to 9:58 survival. It's like, right, I've got to pay this, I've got to pay this, I've got 10:00 pay this, I've got to pay this, I've got 10:00 pay this, I've got to pay this, I've got to pay this before I can even think 10:02 to pay this before I can even think 10:02 to pay this before I can even think about anything else. 10:03 about anything else. 10:03 about anything else. >> Yeah. 10:04 >> Yeah. 10:04 >> Yeah. >> Um, and it is it's a sad state of 10:07 >> Um, and it is it's a sad state of 10:07 >> Um, and it is it's a sad state of affairs to be honest. 10:08 affairs to be honest. 10:08 affairs to be honest. >> Yeah. Because what how old were you when 10:11 >> Yeah. Because what how old were you when 10:11 >> Yeah. Because what how old were you when you went in? 10:12 you went in? 10:12 you went in? >> Uh, I was 18 when I joined. So, I was 10:15 >> Uh, I was 18 when I joined. So, I was 10:15 >> Uh, I was 18 when I joined. So, I was going to say most kids are like 17, 18, 10:18 going to say most kids are like 17, 18, 10:18 going to say most kids are like 17, 18, 19, aren't they? 10:19 19, aren't they? 10:19 19, aren't they? >> Yeah. 10:19 >> Yeah. 10:19 >> Yeah. >> And what average kid of that age knows
Counseling Training and Finding the Right Approach 10:23 >> And what average kid of that age knows 10:23 >> And what average kid of that age knows how to budget a household? 10:24 how to budget a household? 10:24 how to budget a household? >> No. 10:25 >> No. 10:25 >> No. >> Cuz it's not taught, is it? 10:26 >> Cuz it's not taught, is it? 10:26 >> Cuz it's not taught, is it? >> No. And and it wasn't it wasn't taught 10:29 >> No. And and it wasn't it wasn't taught 10:29 >> No. And and it wasn't it wasn't taught growing up, it's like, oh, you need to 10:30 growing up, it's like, oh, you need to 10:30 growing up, it's like, oh, you need to save your money. But as a as a teenage 10:33 save your money. But as a as a teenage 10:33 save your money. But as a as a teenage kid, it's like, I want to go out with my 10:35 kid, it's like, I want to go out with my 10:35 kid, it's like, I want to go out with my mates. I want to go to like the cinema. 10:37 mates. I want to go to like the cinema. 10:37 mates. I want to go to like the cinema. I want to go to um oh just before I was 10:40 I want to go to um oh just before I was 10:40 I want to go to um oh just before I was 17 was like I'm going to the pub and 10:43 17 was like I'm going to the pub and 10:43 17 was like I'm going to the pub and having a slightly pine that I can get 10:44 having a slightly pine that I can get 10:44 having a slightly pine that I can get away with and it was that socializing 10:46 away with and it was that socializing 10:46 away with and it was that socializing aspect. 10:47 aspect. 10:47 aspect. >> Um so it's like if you didn't if you ran 10:51 >> Um so it's like if you didn't if you ran 10:51 >> Um so it's like if you didn't if you ran out of your money you'd still have mom 10:52 out of your money you'd still have mom 10:52 out of your money you'd still have mom and dads to go back to. 10:53 and dads to go back to. 10:53 and dads to go back to. >> Absolutely. Yeah. 10:55 >> Absolutely. Yeah. 10:55 >> Absolutely. Yeah. >> Yeah. So perhaps if proper life skills 11:00 >> Yeah. So perhaps if proper life skills 11:00 >> Yeah. So perhaps if proper life skills were taught in school 11:02 were taught in school 11:02 were taught in school >> that could help potentially 11:05 >> that could help potentially 11:05 >> that could help potentially coming out. I I think I mean it's all 11:07 coming out. I I think I mean it's all 11:07 coming out. I I think I mean it's all well and good having maths and English 11:08 well and good having maths and English 11:08 well and good having maths and English because the the the general 11:11 because the the the general 11:11 because the the the general qualifications that anyone needs to get 11:13 qualifications that anyone needs to get 11:13 qualifications that anyone needs to get employment but with the mathematics do 11:15 employment but with the mathematics do 11:16 employment but with the mathematics do the budgeting. 11:17 the budgeting. 11:17 the budgeting. >> Yeah. It could easily be fitted into the 11:18 >> Yeah. It could easily be fitted into the 11:18 >> Yeah. It could easily be fitted into the curriculum, couldn't it? 11:19 curriculum, couldn't it? 11:19 curriculum, couldn't it? >> Yeah. Cuz that's where a lot of people 11:22 >> Yeah. Cuz that's where a lot of people 11:22 >> Yeah. Cuz that's where a lot of people fail in life, 11:24 fail in life, 11:24 fail in life, >> it's like oh I'm in debt or I'll go and 11:26 >> it's like oh I'm in debt or I'll go and 11:26 >> it's like oh I'm in debt or I'll go and get a credit card or I'll go and get a 11:29 get a credit card or I'll go and get a 11:29 get a credit card or I'll go and get a loan not realizing that the APR was on 11:31 loan not realizing that the APR was on 11:31 loan not realizing that the APR was on the loan they're paying back for 30 odd 11:33 the loan they're paying back for 30 odd 11:33 the loan they're paying back for 30 odd years. 11:33 years. 11:33 years. >> Yeah. Um, and it it's that sort of thing 11:37 >> Yeah. Um, and it it's that sort of thing 11:37 >> Yeah. Um, and it it's that sort of thing that needs to be put in place. Um, 11:40 that needs to be put in place. Um, 11:40 that needs to be put in place. Um, >> I [snorts] mean, I think I've mentioned 11:42 >> I [snorts] mean, I think I've mentioned 11:42 >> I [snorts] mean, I think I've mentioned it to you before. It's like everyone's 11:45 it to you before. It's like everyone's 11:45 it to you before. It's like everyone's only two bad choices away from being 11:46 only two bad choices away from being 11:46 only two bad choices away from being homeless. 11:47 homeless. 11:47 homeless. >> Yeah. 11:48 >> Yeah. 11:48 >> Yeah. >> One of them is money. Another one could 11:50 >> One of them is money. Another one could 11:50 >> One of them is money. Another one could be drink or relationships. 11:52 be drink or relationships. 11:52 be drink or relationships. >> Yeah. 11:52 >> Yeah. 11:52 >> Yeah. >> Just two bad choices. 11:54 >> Just two bad choices. 11:54 >> Just two bad choices. >> Yeah. And we all have those in our 11:56 >> Yeah. And we all have those in our 11:56 >> Yeah. And we all have those in our lives. 12:01 >> Makes you stop and think, doesn't it 12:01 >> Makes you stop and think, doesn't it really? 12:02 really? 12:02 really? >> Yeah. Um, I mean, look, looking back, 12:07 >> Yeah. Um, I mean, look, looking back, 12:07 >> Yeah. Um, I mean, look, looking back, if I'd have had the help that I'm 12:10 if I'd have had the help that I'm 12:10 if I'd have had the help that I'm wanting to offer people, 12:12 wanting to offer people, 12:12 wanting to offer people, um, I wouldn't have been in the 12:13 um, I wouldn't have been in the 12:13 um, I wouldn't have been in the situations I was in. 12:16 situations I was in. 12:16 situations I was in. Um, I mean, when I was diagnosed with 12:19 Um, I mean, when I was diagnosed with 12:19 Um, I mean, when I was diagnosed with the PTSD, 12:21 the PTSD, 12:21 the PTSD, now that was 2 years after I'd actually 12:23 now that was 2 years after I'd actually 12:23 now that was 2 years after I'd actually left the forces, 12:24 left the forces, 12:24 left the forces, >> right? 12:25 >> right? 12:25 >> right? um from that diagnosis and then being 12:28 um from that diagnosis and then being 12:28 um from that diagnosis and then being referred to talking therapies and this 12:30 referred to talking therapies and this 12:30 referred to talking therapies and this is 2006 12:33 is 2006 12:33 is 2006 9 weeks he took me to see the first 12:35 9 weeks he took me to see the first 12:35 9 weeks he took me to see the first person the first counselor that I'd been 12:37 person the first counselor that I'd been 12:37 person the first counselor that I'd been signposted to and within that first 12:41 signposted to and within that first 12:41 signposted to and within that first session that counselor tried hypnotizing 12:43 session that counselor tried hypnotizing 12:43 session that counselor tried hypnotizing me [cough] and he was like hang on a 12:45 me [cough] and he was like hang on a 12:45 me [cough] and he was like hang on a minute where where do you think you're 12:47 minute where where do you think you're 12:47 minute where where do you think you're going with this? No, this this isn't 12:49 going with this? No, this this isn't 12:49 going with this? No, this this isn't going to work. Um I then went through 12:52 going to work. Um I then went through 12:52 going to work. Um I then went through several other counselors. Um C there was 12:55 several other counselors. Um C there was 12:55 several other counselors. Um C there was CBT just coming into its fruition uh 12:59 CBT just coming into its fruition uh 12:59 CBT just coming into its fruition uh which is widely used in the NHS now that 13:01 which is widely used in the NHS now that 13:01 which is widely used in the NHS now that they just started it at that point. 13:04 they just started it at that point. 13:04 they just started it at that point. >> Um psycho dynamic which is dealing with 13:06 >> Um psycho dynamic which is dealing with 13:06 >> Um psycho dynamic which is dealing with your childhood traumas and 13:08 your childhood traumas and 13:08 your childhood traumas and >> right 13:09 >> right 13:09 >> right >> um and then it was a person- centered 13:11 >> um and then it was a person- centered 13:12 >> um and then it was a person- centered therapist that I saw. Um, and we we just 13:16 therapist that I saw. Um, and we we just 13:16 therapist that I saw. Um, and we we just sat like you and I are having a chat and 13:18 sat like you and I are having a chat and 13:18 sat like you and I are having a chat and everything. And then it was like the 13:21 everything. And then it was like the 13:21 everything. And then it was like the first hour was done. Went back the next 13:23 first hour was done. Went back the next 13:23 first hour was done. Went back the next week. By by the time week six had come, 13:25 week. By by the time week six had come, 13:25 week. By by the time week six had come, I'd found out what most of my triggers 13:26 I'd found out what most of my triggers 13:26 I'd found out what most of my triggers were as to why I was drinking and 13:28 were as to why I was drinking and 13:28 were as to why I was drinking and everything. And it's like if the others 13:30 everything. And it's like if the others 13:30 everything. And it's like if the others had done that, 13:31 had done that, 13:31 had done that, >> yeah, 13:33 >> yeah, 13:33 >> yeah, >> I might have it might have helped or on 13:35 >> I might have it might have helped or on 13:35 >> I might have it might have helped or on leaving the forces if that was put in 13:37 leaving the forces if that was put in 13:37 leaving the forces if that was put in place. 13:37 place. 13:37 place. >> Yes. 13:38 >> Yes. 13:38 >> Yes. Um, I wouldn't have I wouldn't have then 13:41 Um, I wouldn't have I wouldn't have then 13:41 Um, I wouldn't have I wouldn't have then become homeless to get caught in that 13:43 become homeless to get caught in that 13:44 become homeless to get caught in that cycle. 13:45 cycle. 13:45 cycle. >> Wow. 13:47 >> Wow. 13:47 >> Wow. Because it is, isn't it? It's a it's a 13:48 Because it is, isn't it? It's a it's a 13:48 Because it is, isn't it? It's a it's a psy cyclical cyclical whatever thing 13:51 psy cyclical cyclical whatever thing 13:51 psy cyclical cyclical whatever thing when you're in that sort of 13:53 when you're in that sort of 13:53 when you're in that sort of homelessness. Can't get a job, can't get 13:54 homelessness. Can't get a job, can't get 13:54 homelessness. Can't get a job, can't get a bank account cuz I haven't got an 13:56 a bank account cuz I haven't got an 13:56 a bank account cuz I haven't got an address. And then where do I start? And 13:59 address. And then where do I start? And 13:59 address. And then where do I start? And >> I I mean the other thing that I I did do 14:02 >> I I mean the other thing that I I did do 14:02 >> I I mean the other thing that I I did do and I must apologize to the women that 14:05 and I must apologize to the women that 14:05 and I must apologize to the women that I've hurt over the years. I got into 14:07 I've hurt over the years. I got into 14:08 I've hurt over the years. I got into relationships, but in my mindset at the 14:10 relationships, but in my mindset at the 14:10 relationships, but in my mindset at the time, I wasn't ready for that 14:12 time, I wasn't ready for that 14:12 time, I wasn't ready for that relationship because I was still in the 14:14 relationship because I was still in the 14:14 relationship because I was still in the alcohol addiction and I'd still got 14:16 alcohol addiction and I'd still got 14:16 alcohol addiction and I'd still got [snorts] 14:17 [snorts] 14:17 [snorts] >> even though I was living with them for a 14:19 >> even though I was living with them for a 14:19 >> even though I was living with them for a short period of time, it was always 14:21 short period of time, it was always 14:21 short period of time, it was always their home. It wasn't mine 14:22 their home. It wasn't mine 14:22 their home. It wasn't mine >> with you. 14:23 >> with you. 14:23 >> with you. >> So, I I I was homeless homeless. Um 14:27 >> So, I I I was homeless homeless. Um 14:27 >> So, I I I was homeless homeless. Um >> u people seem to think that when you're 14:29 >> u people seem to think that when you're 14:29 >> u people seem to think that when you're homeless, it's on the street. It's not 14:31 homeless, it's on the street. It's not 14:31 homeless, it's on the street. It's not um it's it's 14:33 um it's it's 14:33 um it's it's >> sofa surfing and 14:34 >> sofa surfing and 14:34 >> sofa surfing and >> Yeah. Yeah. 14:36 >> Yeah. Yeah. 14:36 >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Not having 14:38 >> Yeah. Not having 14:38 >> Yeah. Not having >> not having your own stable home that you 14:40 >> not having your own stable home that you 14:40 >> not having your own stable home that you can call home. 14:41 can call home. 14:41 can call home. >> Yeah. 14:42 >> Yeah. 14:42 >> Yeah. >> Living with a partner isn't it can 14:45 >> Living with a partner isn't it can 14:45 >> Living with a partner isn't it can become a home for c for some people, 14:47 become a home for c for some people, 14:47 become a home for c for some people, >> but for someone that was in my mental 14:49 >> but for someone that was in my mental 14:49 >> but for someone that was in my mental state at the time, it was always their 14:51 state at the time, it was always their 14:51 state at the time, it was always their house. It was always their home. 14:53 house. It was always their home. 14:53 house. It was always their home. >> It was just a place you happened to be 14:54 >> It was just a place you happened to be 14:54 >> It was just a place you happened to be living. 14:55 living. 14:55 living. >> Yeah. [snorts] 14:56 >> Yeah. [snorts] 14:56 >> Yeah. [snorts] >> Yeah. Yeah. 14:59 >> Yeah. Yeah. 14:59 >> Yeah. Yeah. So, you got out of that cycle though. 15:01 So, you got out of that cycle though. 15:01 So, you got out of that cycle though. >> Yes. Yeah. 15:04 >> Yes. Yeah. 15:04 >> Yes. Yeah. and took a long time but eventually 15:06 and took a long time but eventually 15:06 and took a long time but eventually Yeah. 15:07 Yeah. 15:07 Yeah. >> And that was with the help of this 15:08 >> And that was with the help of this 15:08 >> And that was with the help of this talking as well. 15:10 talking as well. 15:10 talking as well. >> Yeah. And the talking therapist helped. 15:12 >> Yeah. And the talking therapist helped. 15:12 >> Yeah. And the talking therapist helped. I mean for the alcohol addiction uh or 15:15 I mean for the alcohol addiction uh or 15:15 I mean for the alcohol addiction uh or what I thought was the alcohol 15:16 what I thought was the alcohol 15:16 what I thought was the alcohol addiction. Um I did start with AA. Um 15:21 addiction. Um I did start with AA. Um 15:21 addiction. Um I did start with AA. Um and it's a very good service. It works 15:23 and it's a very good service. It works 15:23 and it's a very good service. It works for a lot of people. Um it wasn't for me 15:27 for a lot of people. Um it wasn't for me 15:27 for a lot of people. Um it wasn't for me because of the religious side of it, 15:30 because of the religious side of it, 15:30 because of the religious side of it, right? um uh 15:33 right? um uh 15:33 right? um uh it it just became too much. Um and then 15:37 it it just became too much. Um and then 15:37 it it just became too much. Um and then uh you get your sponsor, he was 15:39 uh you get your sponsor, he was 15:39 uh you get your sponsor, he was constantly phoning. Um 15:43 constantly phoning. Um 15:43 constantly phoning. Um and it and it was like he was putting 15:44 and it and it was like he was putting 15:44 and it and it was like he was putting all his issues on me whereas it's like 15:47 all his issues on me whereas it's like 15:47 all his issues on me whereas it's like hang on a minute, it's supposed to be 15:49 hang on a minute, it's supposed to be 15:49 hang on a minute, it's supposed to be the other way around and um some people 15:52 the other way around and um some people 15:52 the other way around and um some people take it to an extreme and I that's what 15:55 take it to an extreme and I that's what 15:55 take it to an extreme and I that's what I didn't gel with with that. And then 15:57 I didn't gel with with that. And then 15:57 I didn't gel with with that. And then when the talking therapy started 16:01 when the talking therapy started 16:01 when the talking therapy started and the and the diagnosis of PTSD came 16:03 and the and the diagnosis of PTSD came 16:03 and the and the diagnosis of PTSD came about, um there was one AA meeting I 16:06 about, um there was one AA meeting I 16:06 about, um there was one AA meeting I went to and there was actually um an ex 16:08 went to and there was actually um an ex 16:08 went to and there was actually um an ex soldier that had done his old 22 years. 16:11 soldier that had done his old 22 years. 16:11 soldier that had done his old 22 years. He'd been out for 10 years, been sober 16:13 He'd been out for 10 years, been sober 16:13 He'd been out for 10 years, been sober for 10 years as well. Um and his story 16:18 for 10 years as well. Um and his story 16:18 for 10 years as well. Um and his story just aligned with mine. the feelings 16:22 just aligned with mine. the feelings 16:22 just aligned with mine. the feelings after leaving the abandonment and 16:25 after leaving the abandonment and 16:25 after leaving the abandonment and everything else. He was he'd been 16:27 everything else. He was he'd been 16:27 everything else. He was he'd been homeless as well. He turned his life 16:29 homeless as well. He turned his life 16:29 homeless as well. He turned his life around through aa um but I couldn't see 16:32 around through aa um but I couldn't see 16:32 around through aa um but I couldn't see that that was my path. Um but when the 16:35 that that was my path. Um but when the 16:35 that that was my path. Um but when the counseling came along and I found that 16:37 counseling came along and I found that 16:38 counseling came along and I found that the the right counselor, I knew that 16:41 the the right counselor, I knew that 16:41 the the right counselor, I knew that eventually that's something I wanted to 16:43 eventually that's something I wanted to 16:43 eventually that's something I wanted to do. 16:44 do. 16:44 do. >> Yeah. So you didn't go straight into 16:46 >> Yeah. So you didn't go straight into 16:46 >> Yeah. So you didn't go straight into doing that for yourself then? 16:48 doing that for yourself then? 16:48 doing that for yourself then? >> No. No. Um I I it was about so I had my 16:54 >> No. No. Um I I it was about so I had my 16:54 >> No. No. Um I I it was about so I had my first person centered in 2007. 16:58 first person centered in 2007. 16:58 first person centered in 2007. I'd seen the other counselors. It was 17:00 I'd seen the other counselors. It was 17:00 I'd seen the other counselors. It was 2007 when I first saw this person 17:02 2007 when I first saw this person 17:02 2007 when I first saw this person centered therapist. Um and then it was 17:05 centered therapist. Um and then it was 17:05 centered therapist. Um and then it was 2017 when I actually started training to 17:08 2017 when I actually started training to 17:08 2017 when I actually started training to become a counselor.
Building RDCS and Expanding Access 17:10 become a counselor. 17:10 become a counselor. >> And it's quite a long course, isn't it? 17:11 >> And it's quite a long course, isn't it? 17:11 >> And it's quite a long course, isn't it? The counselor training. 17:13 The counselor training. 17:13 The counselor training. >> It's uh you have to start at your level 17:16 >> It's uh you have to start at your level 17:16 >> It's uh you have to start at your level two uh which is a year long. Then your 17:18 two uh which is a year long. Then your 17:18 two uh which is a year long. Then your level three another year and then you 17:20 level three another year and then you 17:20 level three another year and then you diploma course level four which is a 17:22 diploma course level four which is a 17:22 diploma course level four which is a two-year course. 17:23 two-year course. 17:23 two-year course. >> Wow. 17:24 >> Wow. 17:24 >> Wow. >> Um within that course you have to do 100 17:26 >> Um within that course you have to do 100 17:26 >> Um within that course you have to do 100 hours volunteering counseling. 17:29 hours volunteering counseling. 17:29 hours volunteering counseling. >> Uh you have to have your own personal 17:31 >> Uh you have to have your own personal 17:31 >> Uh you have to have your own personal therapy as well. So but within the 17:33 therapy as well. So but within the 17:33 therapy as well. So but within the course as well you break into little 17:35 course as well you break into little 17:35 course as well you break into little groups and you have therapy within the 17:38 groups and you have therapy within the 17:38 groups and you have therapy within the within the class time as well. Um, so 17:42 within the class time as well. Um, so 17:42 within the class time as well. Um, so and it's trying to learn the skills and 17:44 and it's trying to learn the skills and 17:44 and it's trying to learn the skills and everything, but there was things that 17:46 everything, but there was things that 17:46 everything, but there was things that came out then that I'd not realized with 17:48 came out then that I'd not realized with 17:48 came out then that I'd not realized with the counseling. 17:50 the counseling. 17:50 the counseling. >> So there was a lot of new stuff had come 17:53 >> So there was a lot of new stuff had come 17:53 >> So there was a lot of new stuff had come to light and it was like, oh well, hang 17:55 to light and it was like, oh well, hang 17:55 to light and it was like, oh well, hang on a minute. Um, where's this where's 17:58 on a minute. Um, where's this where's 17:58 on a minute. Um, where's this where's this thought come from? Why am I feeling 18:00 this thought come from? Why am I feeling 18:00 this thought come from? Why am I feeling this? And 18:01 this? And 18:01 this? And >> yeah. 18:03 >> yeah. 18:03 >> yeah. >> And was it during that process that you 18:04 >> And was it during that process that you 18:04 >> And was it during that process that you met Rosanna? 18:05 met Rosanna? 18:05 met Rosanna? >> It was. Yeah. Um, so, 18:09 >> It was. Yeah. Um, so, 18:09 >> It was. Yeah. Um, so, um, I, as I say, I started, uh, my level 18:12 um, I, as I say, I started, uh, my level 18:12 um, I, as I say, I started, uh, my level two in 2017. That was while I was still 18:15 two in 2017. That was while I was still 18:15 two in 2017. That was while I was still living in the Leicester as Bay Area. Um, 18:19 living in the Leicester as Bay Area. Um, 18:19 living in the Leicester as Bay Area. Um, due to personal circumstances, um, I got 18:21 due to personal circumstances, um, I got 18:21 due to personal circumstances, um, I got my cousin who was autistic. He came to 18:23 my cousin who was autistic. He came to 18:24 my cousin who was autistic. He came to stop with me for a year. Um, he he got 18:27 stop with me for a year. Um, he he got 18:27 stop with me for a year. Um, he he got into some trouble back in Rothram. 18:30 into some trouble back in Rothram. 18:30 into some trouble back in Rothram. Um, and he needed a breakaway. So, he 18:32 Um, and he needed a breakaway. So, he 18:32 Um, and he needed a breakaway. So, he came and stayed with me. A year after 18:34 came and stayed with me. A year after 18:34 came and stayed with me. A year after that um I'd started again but then I got 18:37 that um I'd started again but then I got 18:37 that um I'd started again but then I got custody of my daughter. Um and then in 18:41 custody of my daughter. Um and then in 18:41 custody of my daughter. Um and then in that in that in where I had to stop 18:43 that in that in where I had to stop 18:43 that in that in where I had to stop learning we actually moved from 18:45 learning we actually moved from 18:45 learning we actually moved from Leicester back to Rotherham. Um she'd 18:48 Leicester back to Rotherham. Um she'd 18:48 Leicester back to Rotherham. Um she'd missed a year of her GCES. So the first 18:51 missed a year of her GCES. So the first 18:51 missed a year of her GCES. So the first year of GCSEs due to um she'd been 18:54 year of GCSEs due to um she'd been 18:54 year of GCSEs due to um she'd been living with her auntie who was supposed 18:56 living with her auntie who was supposed 18:56 living with her auntie who was supposed to be homeschooling her and that didn't 18:58 to be homeschooling her and that didn't 18:58 to be homeschooling her and that didn't happen. 18:59 happen. 18:59 happen. >> Right. That's a shame. where we were 19:01 >> Right. That's a shame. where we were 19:01 >> Right. That's a shame. where we were living. I'd tried all the schools to try 19:03 living. I'd tried all the schools to try 19:03 living. I'd tried all the schools to try and get her back put back a year because 19:05 and get her back put back a year because 19:05 and get her back put back a year because her, excuse [clears throat] me, her 19:07 her, excuse [clears throat] me, her 19:07 her, excuse [clears throat] me, her birthday falls at the end of August. 19:09 birthday falls at the end of August. 19:09 birthday falls at the end of August. She's a few days from the the cut off um 19:12 She's a few days from the the cut off um 19:12 She's a few days from the the cut off um for the year. 19:13 for the year. 19:13 for the year. >> Um and I was trying to like get her to 19:17 >> Um and I was trying to like get her to 19:17 >> Um and I was trying to like get her to restart uh year well it was fourth year 19:20 restart uh year well it was fourth year 19:20 restart uh year well it was fourth year comp years 10 11 now. Yeah. 19:24 comp years 10 11 now. Yeah. 19:24 comp years 10 11 now. Yeah. >> Um and none of the schools would take 19:26 >> Um and none of the schools would take 19:26 >> Um and none of the schools would take her on and I thought [sighs] 19:28 her on and I thought [sighs] 19:28 her on and I thought [sighs] what can I do? What can I do? And 19:29 what can I do? What can I do? And 19:29 what can I do? What can I do? And because my family still lived in 19:31 because my family still lived in 19:31 because my family still lived in Rotherham, I thought, well, if I make a 19:34 Rotherham, I thought, well, if I make a 19:34 Rotherham, I thought, well, if I make a move back to Rotherham, I've got ties 19:36 move back to Rotherham, I've got ties 19:36 move back to Rotherham, I've got ties that I could get her into a school. If 19:38 that I could get her into a school. If 19:38 that I could get her into a school. If I'm working, at least she's got her 19:40 I'm working, at least she's got her 19:40 I'm working, at least she's got her aunts and her uncles and a grand grandma 19:42 aunts and her uncles and a grand grandma 19:42 aunts and her uncles and a grand grandma and grandpa available if I'm not at 19:45 and grandpa available if I'm not at 19:46 and grandpa available if I'm not at home. Uh anyway, we made the move to 19:49 home. Uh anyway, we made the move to 19:49 home. Uh anyway, we made the move to Rotheram. Um this was back in 2018. 19:58 Um I then started the level two in 19:58 Um I then started the level two in Barnsley 2019. 20:01 Barnsley 2019. 20:01 Barnsley 2019. Uh due to COVID we ended up having to 20:04 Uh due to COVID we ended up having to 20:04 Uh due to COVID we ended up having to stop learning again. 20:05 stop learning again. 20:05 stop learning again. >> Yes. 20:06 >> Yes. 20:06 >> Yes. >> Um cuz in that interim I'd 20:10 >> Um cuz in that interim I'd 20:10 >> Um cuz in that interim I'd um I'd met someone in the period of 20:11 um I'd met someone in the period of 20:11 um I'd met someone in the period of moving back to Rotherham. We're now 20:13 moving back to Rotherham. We're now 20:13 moving back to Rotherham. We're now husband and wife. 20:14 husband and wife. 20:14 husband and wife. >> Um [snorts] we had a wedding to plan 20:16 >> Um [snorts] we had a wedding to plan 20:16 >> Um [snorts] we had a wedding to plan for. We planning to buy a house together 20:19 for. We planning to buy a house together 20:19 for. We planning to buy a house together at that time as well. And Rebecca my 20:21 at that time as well. And Rebecca my 20:21 at that time as well. And Rebecca my tutor she was just like take a year off. 20:23 tutor she was just like take a year off. 20:23 tutor she was just like take a year off. >> Yeah. [laughter] He's like, I've taken 20:25 >> Yeah. [laughter] He's like, I've taken 20:25 >> Yeah. [laughter] He's like, I've taken years off already because of this, this, 20:27 years off already because of this, this, 20:27 years off already because of this, this, and this. I don't want like just take a 20:28 and this. I don't want like just take a 20:28 and this. I don't want like just take a year off and start again. And then I 20:30 year off and start again. And then I 20:30 year off and start again. And then I started the level three, and that's 20:31 started the level three, and that's 20:31 started the level three, and that's where I met Rosanna. Um, and 20:35 where I met Rosanna. Um, and 20:35 where I met Rosanna. Um, and we've from the level three, we just 20:38 we've from the level three, we just 20:38 we've from the level three, we just gelled. Um, we we're like a brother and 20:43 gelled. Um, we we're like a brother and 20:43 gelled. Um, we we're like a brother and sister. 20:43 sister. 20:43 sister. >> Yeah. 20:44 >> Yeah. 20:44 >> Yeah. >> Um, and we've got a lot of respect for 20:47 >> Um, and we've got a lot of respect for 20:47 >> Um, and we've got a lot of respect for each other. We both we both have had 20:49 each other. We both we both have had 20:49 each other. We both we both have had things happen in our past 20:51 things happen in our past 20:52 things happen in our past >> um and and in the present 20:54 >> um and and in the present 20:54 >> um and and in the present >> um and we're always there for each other 20:56 >> um and we're always there for each other 20:56 >> um and we're always there for each other no matter what. And it's it's a really 20:58 no matter what. And it's it's a really 20:58 no matter what. And it's it's a really good relationship that we've got. 21:00 good relationship that we've got. 21:00 good relationship that we've got. >> That's lovely. 21:02 >> That's lovely. 21:02 >> That's lovely. >> You're both very lovely people. 21:04 >> You're both very lovely people. 21:04 >> You're both very lovely people. >> Thank you. 21:05 >> Thank you. 21:05 >> Thank you. >> Oh, you know, and I can see having seen 21:07 >> Oh, you know, and I can see having seen 21:07 >> Oh, you know, and I can see having seen both of you, you know, together and 21:09 both of you, you know, together and 21:09 both of you, you know, together and separate that that is 21:12 separate that that is 21:12 separate that that is a very supportive relationship and 21:14 a very supportive relationship and 21:14 a very supportive relationship and that's important to have, isn't it? 21:15 that's important to have, isn't it? 21:15 that's important to have, isn't it? >> Yeah. especially in the venture that 21:17 >> Yeah. especially in the venture that 21:17 >> Yeah. especially in the venture that we're trying to do. Um [snorts] during 21:21 we're trying to do. Um [snorts] during 21:21 we're trying to do. Um [snorts] during uh the level three, we were doing some 21:22 uh the level three, we were doing some 21:22 uh the level three, we were doing some investigative work into talking 21:25 investigative work into talking 21:25 investigative work into talking therapies and waiting lists. Um and we 21:29 therapies and waiting lists. Um and we 21:29 therapies and waiting lists. Um and we we've continued the research and last 21:32 we've continued the research and last 21:32 we've continued the research and last year there was 1.7 million waiting over 21:36 year there was 1.7 million waiting over 21:36 year there was 1.7 million waiting over 18 months to be seen. 21:38 18 months to be seen. 21:38 18 months to be seen. >> 18 months 21:39 >> 18 months 21:39 >> 18 months >> 18 months to be seen firsthand. This is 21:43 >> 18 months to be seen firsthand. This is 21:43 >> 18 months to be seen firsthand. This is when they've been referred. 21:46 when they've been referred. 21:46 when they've been referred. um or when they've self-reerred they've 21:48 um or when they've self-reerred they've 21:48 um or when they've self-reerred they've been so 1.7 million within the UK. This 21:51 been so 1.7 million within the UK. This 21:51 been so 1.7 million within the UK. This is the over 18 bracket by the way. Yeah. 21:54 is the over 18 bracket by the way. Yeah. 21:54 is the over 18 bracket by the way. Yeah. >> Um it was 515,000 teenage children. 21:59 >> Um it was 515,000 teenage children. 21:59 >> Um it was 515,000 teenage children. It doesn't doesn't go into the younger 22:02 It doesn't doesn't go into the younger 22:02 It doesn't doesn't go into the younger years support numbers. Um for some 22:06 years support numbers. Um for some 22:06 years support numbers. Um for some reason um all the research we've done, 22:08 reason um all the research we've done, 22:08 reason um all the research we've done, we can't find anything 22:09 we can't find anything 22:09 we can't find anything >> below the age of 12, 22:11 >> below the age of 12, 22:11 >> below the age of 12, >> right? Um but yeah, 515,000 children, 22:15 >> right? Um but yeah, 515,000 children, 22:15 >> right? Um but yeah, 515,000 children, 1.7 million people. And out of that 1.7 22:19 1.7 million people. And out of that 1.7 22:19 1.7 million people. And out of that 1.7 million, half of those people have 22:23 million, half of those people have 22:23 million, half of those people have either not completed the service or 22:26 either not completed the service or 22:26 either not completed the service or haven't been able to start the service 22:28 haven't been able to start the service 22:28 haven't been able to start the service because they got fed up with the waiting 22:29 because they got fed up with the waiting 22:29 because they got fed up with the waiting times. 22:32 times. 22:32 times. >> That's staggering. 22:33 >> That's staggering. 22:33 >> That's staggering. >> It's a staggering amount of number and 22:35 >> It's a staggering amount of number and 22:35 >> It's a staggering amount of number and it's increasing every day. 22:38 it's increasing every day. 22:38 it's increasing every day. >> So that was your niche. That was your 22:40 >> So that was your niche. That was your 22:40 >> So that was your niche. That was your in. 22:41 in. 22:41 in. >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean we we also looked in 22:44 >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean we we also looked in 22:44 >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean we we also looked in because as as I said um part of the 22:46 because as as I said um part of the 22:46 because as as I said um part of the course criteria is you have to have your 22:48 course criteria is you have to have your 22:48 course criteria is you have to have your own private counseling and through 22:51 own private counseling and through 22:51 own private counseling and through student discounts we we got it at a 22:53 student discounts we we got it at a 22:53 student discounts we we got it at a fairly low rate. Um but when we looked 22:57 fairly low rate. Um but when we looked 22:58 fairly low rate. Um but when we looked at the bigger picture uh and it is area 23:01 at the bigger picture uh and it is area 23:01 at the bigger picture uh and it is area focused as well the pricing. 23:03 focused as well the pricing. 23:03 focused as well the pricing. >> Um so for the Barnsley [snorts] 23:06 >> Um so for the Barnsley [snorts] 23:06 >> Um so for the Barnsley [snorts] area you were looking at £45 plus an 23:09 area you were looking at £45 plus an 23:09 area you were looking at £45 plus an hour 23:11 hour 23:11 hour um for private therapy. 23:13 um for private therapy. 23:13 um for private therapy. >> Barnes is not an affluent area. 23:15 >> Barnes is not an affluent area. 23:15 >> Barnes is not an affluent area. >> No Sheffield which is seven miles seven 23:19 >> No Sheffield which is seven miles seven 23:19 >> No Sheffield which is seven miles seven eight miles down the road £80 an hour. 23:23 eight miles down the road £80 an hour. 23:23 eight miles down the road £80 an hour. You go further a field to some of the 23:25 You go further a field to some of the 23:25 You go further a field to some of the bigger cities like Leeds or where the 23:27 bigger cities like Leeds or where the 23:27 bigger cities like Leeds or where the big companies are coming in, you're 23:29 big companies are coming in, you're 23:29 big companies are coming in, you're looking at over £150 an hour. 23:32 looking at over £150 an hour. 23:32 looking at over £150 an hour. >> It's a staggering amount. [snorts] And 23:35 >> It's a staggering amount. [snorts] And 23:35 >> It's a staggering amount. [snorts] And Rosanna and I weren't happy with the 23:38 Rosanna and I weren't happy with the 23:38 Rosanna and I weren't happy with the fact that they were charging that much 23:40 fact that they were charging that much 23:40 fact that they were charging that much because it's not affordable. I mean, £45 23:43 because it's not affordable. I mean, £45 23:43 because it's not affordable. I mean, £45 in a working family 23:45 in a working family 23:45 in a working family >> in this day and age is a struggle to 23:47 >> in this day and age is a struggle to 23:47 >> in this day and age is a struggle to find. 23:48 find. 23:48 find. >> Yeah. 23:49 >> Yeah. 23:49 >> Yeah. >> Because I guess you most people like to 23:51 >> Because I guess you most people like to 23:51 >> Because I guess you most people like to come at least once a week. 23:52 come at least once a week. 23:52 come at least once a week. >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's that's the 23:54 >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's that's the 23:54 >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's that's the ideal is once a week. 23:57 ideal is once a week. 23:57 ideal is once a week. >> Um you usually I mean the NHS do it at 24:01 >> Um you usually I mean the NHS do it at 24:01 >> Um you usually I mean the NHS do it at seven six to seven sessions and then 24:02 seven six to seven sessions and then 24:02 seven six to seven sessions and then they're done. That's them done. 24:05 they're done. That's them done. 24:05 they're done. That's them done. >> Um we we seem to think that 24:08 >> Um we we seem to think that 24:08 >> Um we we seem to think that >> seven's too short a number. You you need 24:11 >> seven's too short a number. You you need 24:11 >> seven's too short a number. You you need to have at least 10, maybe 12 just to 24:14 to have at least 10, maybe 12 just to 24:14 to have at least 10, maybe 12 just to get to um the right place that the the 24:18 get to um the right place that the the 24:18 get to um the right place that the the person wants to be. Um but so 10 24:23 person wants to be. Um but so 10 24:23 person wants to be. Um but so 10 sessions at 45 that's 450 quid coming 24:26 sessions at 45 that's 450 quid coming 24:26 sessions at 45 that's 450 quid coming out of someone's budget. 24:29 out of someone's budget. 24:29 out of someone's budget. We don't we didn't like that and we 24:30 We don't we didn't like that and we 24:30 We don't we didn't like that and we didn't like the fact that people are 24:32 didn't like the fact that people are 24:32 didn't like the fact that people are either waiting or dropping out. 24:33 either waiting or dropping out. 24:33 either waiting or dropping out. >> Yeah. 24:34 >> Yeah. 24:34 >> Yeah. >> So we decided that we were going to do 24:35 >> So we decided that we were going to do 24:35 >> So we decided that we were going to do something about it. Um Rosanna initially 24:38 something about it. Um Rosanna initially 24:38 something about it. Um Rosanna initially was like start start a business start a 24:41 was like start start a business start a 24:41 was like start start a business start a business. I was like no we want to 24:43 business. I was like no we want to 24:43 business. I was like no we want to become a charity. 24:45 become a charity. 24:45 become a charity. >> That is that is our goal. We want to 24:47 >> That is that is our goal. We want to 24:47 >> That is that is our goal. We want to become a charity. Um, in the interim we 24:49 become a charity. Um, in the interim we 24:50 become a charity. Um, in the interim we become a community interest company so 24:51 become a community interest company so 24:51 become a community interest company so we can get funding and the funding is to 24:55 we can get funding and the funding is to 24:55 we can get funding and the funding is to basically pay the priv private 24:57 basically pay the priv private 24:57 basically pay the priv private counselors their fees 24:59 counselors their fees 24:59 counselors their fees but to take the we're trying to get 25:01 but to take the we're trying to get 25:01 but to take the we're trying to get partnerships with GP surgeries and 25:03 partnerships with GP surgeries and 25:03 partnerships with GP surgeries and things like that but to take the 25:04 things like that but to take the 25:04 things like that but to take the pressure off the NHS not take away from 25:06 pressure off the NHS not take away from 25:06 pressure off the NHS not take away from the NHS but just to take that pressure 25:09 the NHS but just to take that pressure 25:09 the NHS but just to take that pressure off. 25:09 off. 25:09 off. >> Yeah. Yeah. 25:12 >> Yeah. Yeah. 25:12 >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Amazing. 25:14 >> Amazing. 25:14 >> Amazing. So people are getting it free if they 25:17 So people are getting it free if they 25:17 So people are getting it free if they come in via that route. Then 25:18 come in via that route. Then 25:18 come in via that route. Then >> they will be once once we've got the 25:20 >> they will be once once we've got the 25:20 >> they will be once once we've got the funding and everything in place. Yeah. 25:21 funding and everything in place. Yeah. 25:21 funding and everything in place. Yeah. People will be getting free counseling 25:24 People will be getting free counseling 25:24 People will be getting free counseling in the interim while we're still setting 25:26 in the interim while we're still setting 25:26 in the interim while we're still setting up. Um one of the things that was halfel
Media Attention and Public Awareness 25:31 up. Um one of the things that was halfel 25:31 up. Um one of the things that was halfel for me, but we've sort of extended it so 25:34 for me, but we've sort of extended it so 25:34 for me, but we've sort of extended it so veterans, any veteran or serving member 25:37 veterans, any veteran or serving member 25:37 veterans, any veteran or serving member of the forces gets it for free no matter 25:39 of the forces gets it for free no matter 25:39 of the forces gets it for free no matter what. Um but we've [snorts] now extended 25:42 what. Um but we've [snorts] now extended 25:42 what. Um but we've [snorts] now extended this to the fire service, the police 25:43 this to the fire service, the police 25:44 this to the fire service, the police force and uniform any uniform services. 25:46 force and uniform any uniform services. 25:46 force and uniform any uniform services. So ambulance, paramedics, doctors, 25:48 So ambulance, paramedics, doctors, 25:48 So ambulance, paramedics, doctors, nurses. Um I know the NHS has their own 25:53 nurses. Um I know the NHS has their own 25:53 nurses. Um I know the NHS has their own um well-being. Um but the a lot of the 25:57 um well-being. Um but the a lot of the 25:57 um well-being. Um but the a lot of the NHS staff don't know that they've 25:59 NHS staff don't know that they've 25:59 NHS staff don't know that they've they've got the option to choose. Um, I 26:01 they've got the option to choose. Um, I 26:01 they've got the option to choose. Um, I can't remember the what it's called, but 26:03 can't remember the what it's called, but 26:03 can't remember the what it's called, but if they want to choose private therapy, 26:06 if they want to choose private therapy, 26:06 if they want to choose private therapy, they can take the private therapy and 26:08 they can take the private therapy and 26:08 they can take the private therapy and then claim the money back off the NHS. 26:11 then claim the money back off the NHS. 26:11 then claim the money back off the NHS. >> No, I wouldn't thought that's very well 26:12 >> No, I wouldn't thought that's very well 26:12 >> No, I wouldn't thought that's very well publicized. 26:13 publicized. 26:13 publicized. >> No, no. I 26:14 >> No, no. I 26:14 >> No, no. I >> mean, most well-being departments, I can 26:16 >> mean, most well-being departments, I can 26:16 >> mean, most well-being departments, I can only speak about Barsley Hospital 26:17 only speak about Barsley Hospital 26:17 only speak about Barsley Hospital because that's where I work. Um, 26:21 because that's where I work. Um, 26:21 because that's where I work. Um, they do have a well-being service. 26:23 they do have a well-being service. 26:23 they do have a well-being service. >> Yeah. 26:24 >> Yeah. 26:24 >> Yeah. >> I see things occasionally up on boards 26:26 >> I see things occasionally up on boards 26:26 >> I see things occasionally up on boards or on, you know, hospitalwide emails and 26:28 or on, you know, hospitalwide emails and 26:28 or on, you know, hospitalwide emails and things like that. But if you don't see 26:31 things like that. But if you don't see 26:31 things like that. But if you don't see those, you wouldn't know. 26:33 those, you wouldn't know. 26:33 those, you wouldn't know. >> No, no. I mean, I went and um tried 26:37 >> No, no. I mean, I went and um tried 26:37 >> No, no. I mean, I went and um tried posting some leaflets around areas um 26:41 posting some leaflets around areas um 26:41 posting some leaflets around areas um and it was the new center that's opened 26:42 and it was the new center that's opened 26:42 and it was the new center that's opened in Barnsley, Glass Works. 26:44 in Barnsley, Glass Works. 26:44 in Barnsley, Glass Works. >> Yeah, the glass works center. 26:46 >> Yeah, the glass works center. 26:46 >> Yeah, the glass works center. >> And I think I got the most obnoxious 26:49 >> And I think I got the most obnoxious 26:49 >> And I think I got the most obnoxious receptionist I could ever deal with. Um 26:51 receptionist I could ever deal with. Um 26:52 receptionist I could ever deal with. Um I was trying to explain to her the 26:54 I was trying to explain to her the 26:54 I was trying to explain to her the situation. Um I was like, "Oh, it's open 26:56 situation. Um I was like, "Oh, it's open 26:56 situation. Um I was like, "Oh, it's open to staff members. It's open to the 26:58 to staff members. It's open to the 26:58 to staff members. It's open to the public. um this is what we're trying to 27:00 public. um this is what we're trying to 27:00 public. um this is what we're trying to do and it's like well we've got our own 27:02 do and it's like well we've got our own 27:02 do and it's like well we've got our own we've got our own it's just like okay 27:05 we've got our own it's just like okay 27:05 we've got our own it's just like okay okay 27:06 okay 27:06 okay step away from that um but I thought 27:09 step away from that um but I thought 27:09 step away from that um but I thought rather than going in person from from 27:11 rather than going in person from from 27:11 rather than going in person from from now I am emailing places to try and get 27:13 now I am emailing places to try and get 27:13 now I am emailing places to try and get partnerships with them 27:16 partnerships with them 27:16 partnerships with them >> yeah I'd happily give me some leaflets 27:19 >> yeah I'd happily give me some leaflets 27:19 >> yeah I'd happily give me some leaflets and information and I'll take it 27:21 and information and I'll take it 27:21 and information and I'll take it straight to the well-being lead at 27:22 straight to the well-being lead at 27:22 straight to the well-being lead at Barnesley Hospital and say lighten your 27:24 Barnesley Hospital and say lighten your 27:24 Barnesley Hospital and say lighten your burden do what you can you know to help 27:27 burden do what you can you know to help 27:27 burden do what you can you know to help everybody Yeah, I mean that's the thing. 27:29 everybody Yeah, I mean that's the thing. 27:29 everybody Yeah, I mean that's the thing. People People need to talk. People need 27:34 People People need to talk. People need 27:34 People People need to talk. People need Well, no, not to talk. People need to be 27:36 Well, no, not to talk. People need to be 27:36 Well, no, not to talk. People need to be heard. 27:38 heard. 27:38 heard. >> That's the key, isn't it? 27:39 >> That's the key, isn't it? 27:39 >> That's the key, isn't it? >> People need to be heard and it's not 27:41 >> People need to be heard and it's not 27:42 >> People need to be heard and it's not happening. The N, as I said, the NHS 27:46 happening. The N, as I said, the NHS 27:46 happening. The N, as I said, the NHS um there are areas that that are 27:49 um there are areas that that are 27:49 um there are areas that that are struggling 27:50 struggling 27:50 struggling >> and the mental health side is one of 27:52 >> and the mental health side is one of 27:52 >> and the mental health side is one of them. And I know it's not the staff 27:54 them. And I know it's not the staff 27:54 them. And I know it's not the staff fault. they are on demand, overworked, 27:58 fault. they are on demand, overworked, 27:58 fault. they are on demand, overworked, um, and they just can't keep up with the 28:00 um, and they just can't keep up with the 28:00 um, and they just can't keep up with the numbers that are coming through. 28:02 numbers that are coming through. 28:02 numbers that are coming through. >> Um, and this is why we want to get the 28:03 >> Um, and this is why we want to get the 28:04 >> Um, and this is why we want to get the partnerships in place because everyone 28:06 partnerships in place because everyone 28:06 partnerships in place because everyone does need to be heard 28:07 does need to be heard 28:08 does need to be heard >> at whatever stage they're at. 28:09 >> at whatever stage they're at. 28:09 >> at whatever stage they're at. >> It's no use waiting 18 months 28:12 >> It's no use waiting 18 months 28:12 >> It's no use waiting 18 months for a problem that was back then. I mean 28:16 for a problem that was back then. I mean 28:16 for a problem that was back then. I mean be it bereavement, be it trauma, 28:19 be it bereavement, be it trauma, 28:19 be it bereavement, be it trauma, um 28:21 um 28:22 um cancer, uh which is close to me as you 28:25 cancer, uh which is close to me as you 28:25 cancer, uh which is close to me as you know as well. 28:26 know as well. 28:26 know as well. >> Um 28:27 >> Um 28:27 >> Um >> people need to talk at that moment the 28:31 >> people need to talk at that moment the 28:31 >> people need to talk at that moment the >> within two weeks maximum 28:34 >> within two weeks maximum 28:34 >> within two weeks maximum >> from referral to being seen. 28:36 >> from referral to being seen. 28:36 >> from referral to being seen. >> Yeah. 28:36 >> Yeah. 28:36 >> Yeah. >> 18 months it's either gone one of two 28:39 >> 18 months it's either gone one of two 28:39 >> 18 months it's either gone one of two ways. They've either dealt with it and 28:40 ways. They've either dealt with it and 28:40 ways. They've either dealt with it and moved on or they've unfortunately 28:42 moved on or they've unfortunately 28:42 moved on or they've unfortunately they've gone the other way. 28:44 they've gone the other way. 28:44 they've gone the other way. >> Yes. 28:45 >> Yes. 28:45 >> Yes. Yeah. I was going to say that nothing in 28:47 Yeah. I was going to say that nothing in 28:47 Yeah. I was going to say that nothing in life stays the same. 28:48 life stays the same. 28:48 life stays the same. >> No. 28:49 >> No. 28:49 >> No. >> For 18 weeks, never mind 18 months. 28:51 >> For 18 weeks, never mind 18 months. 28:51 >> For 18 weeks, never mind 18 months. >> No. No. I mean, and whatever trauma they 28:55 >> No. No. I mean, and whatever trauma they 28:55 >> No. No. I mean, and whatever trauma they had at that time, 28:56 had at that time, 28:56 had at that time, >> if they've had more compressed on that, 28:59 >> if they've had more compressed on that, 28:59 >> if they've had more compressed on that, it's it's going to be detrimental to the 29:01 it's it's going to be detrimental to the 29:01 it's it's going to be detrimental to the mental health. 29:02 mental health. 29:02 mental health. >> Of course it does. 29:03 >> Of course it does. 29:03 >> Of course it does. >> And that's why we want to step in and go 29:05 >> And that's why we want to step in and go 29:05 >> And that's why we want to step in and go right 29:06 right 29:06 right >> in the meantime before your NHS therapy 29:08 >> in the meantime before your NHS therapy 29:08 >> in the meantime before your NHS therapy starts, we've got this option. 29:11 starts, we've got this option. 29:11 starts, we've got this option. >> Yeah. Yeah. 29:13 >> Yeah. Yeah. 29:13 >> Yeah. Yeah. And I'm guess some of those people will 29:15 And I'm guess some of those people will 29:15 And I'm guess some of those people will go on to have the NHS therapy and others 29:18 go on to have the NHS therapy and others 29:18 go on to have the NHS therapy and others you'll have dealt with. You'll have 29:20 you'll have dealt with. You'll have 29:20 you'll have dealt with. You'll have fixed them for one for the better. 29:21 fixed them for one for the better. 29:21 fixed them for one for the better. >> Yeah. Cuz I mean there's plenty of 29:23 >> Yeah. Cuz I mean there's plenty of 29:23 >> Yeah. Cuz I mean there's plenty of counselors out there looking for 29:25 counselors out there looking for 29:25 counselors out there looking for clients. Um but the price that they're 29:29 clients. Um but the price that they're 29:29 clients. Um but the price that they're charging as I said in this day and age 29:31 charging as I said in this day and age 29:31 charging as I said in this day and age working families struggle to live. 29:33 working families struggle to live. 29:33 working families struggle to live. >> Yeah. 29:34 >> Yeah. 29:34 >> Yeah. And if a parent or a struggling family 29:40 And if a parent or a struggling family 29:40 And if a parent or a struggling family u financially need need to talk but want 29:43 u financially need need to talk but want 29:43 u financially need need to talk but want want to be heard rather than sit with a 29:46 want to be heard rather than sit with a 29:46 want to be heard rather than sit with a family member and have them go you 29:48 family member and have them go you 29:48 family member and have them go you should do it this way, you should do it 29:50 should do it this way, you should do it 29:50 should do it this way, you should do it that way. 29:51 that way. 29:51 that way. >> It's like they're not wanting the 29:53 >> It's like they're not wanting the 29:53 >> It's like they're not wanting the advice. They're wanting to their 29:54 advice. They're wanting to their 29:54 advice. They're wanting to their feelings to be heard and validated. 29:56 feelings to be heard and validated. 29:56 feelings to be heard and validated. >> Yes. 29:57 >> Yes. 29:57 >> Yes. >> And that's what the service is about. 30:01 >> And that's what the service is about. 30:01 >> And that's what the service is about. >> I mean I think it's brilliant. It just 30:04 >> I mean I think it's brilliant. It just 30:04 >> I mean I think it's brilliant. It just fills a desperate need 30:08 fills a desperate need 30:08 fills a desperate need >> that the NHS has got at the moment. I 30:10 >> that the NHS has got at the moment. I 30:10 >> that the NHS has got at the moment. I mean, I'm obviously in the acute 30:11 mean, I'm obviously in the acute 30:11 mean, I'm obviously in the acute medicine side of things and we're 30:14 medicine side of things and we're 30:14 medicine side of things and we're understaffed and underfunded, but I am 30:17 understaffed and underfunded, but I am 30:17 understaffed and underfunded, but I am aware I mean, one of my best friends is 30:19 aware I mean, one of my best friends is 30:19 aware I mean, one of my best friends is a psychiatrist. She works in CAMS so 30:21 a psychiatrist. She works in CAMS so 30:21 a psychiatrist. She works in CAMS so with one of the, you know, the 30:22 with one of the, you know, the 30:22 with one of the, you know, the children's 30:24 children's 30:24 children's >> uh and adolescence mental health 30:25 >> uh and adolescence mental health 30:25 >> uh and adolescence mental health services. And 30:28 services. And 30:28 services. And so I know even without her I know that 30:32 so I know even without her I know that 30:32 so I know even without her I know that mental health issues are escalating in 30:35 mental health issues are escalating in 30:36 mental health issues are escalating in the community and the hospitals for 30:39 the community and the hospitals for 30:39 the community and the hospitals for whatever reason just can't match demand. 30:42 whatever reason just can't match demand. 30:42 whatever reason just can't match demand. >> No, 30:43 >> No, 30:43 >> No, >> they couldn't match it years ago. 30:45 >> they couldn't match it years ago. 30:45 >> they couldn't match it years ago. >> No, [laughter] 30:47 >> No, [laughter] 30:47 >> No, [laughter] I mean I mean back in 2006 I thought 8 30:51 I mean I mean back in 2006 I thought 8 30:51 I mean I mean back in 2006 I thought 8 to 10 weeks was far too long to be 30:54 to 10 weeks was far too long to be 30:54 to 10 weeks was far too long to be waiting. Um, especially when I had the 30:57 waiting. Um, especially when I had the 30:57 waiting. Um, especially when I had the addiction issues with alcohol on top. 31:00 addiction issues with alcohol on top. 31:00 addiction issues with alcohol on top. Um, but it's like 18 months. 31:04 Um, but it's like 18 months. 31:04 Um, but it's like 18 months. No, no. People could take a serious 31:08 No, no. People could take a serious 31:08 No, no. People could take a serious serious slide down, but then no one's 31:11 serious slide down, but then no one's 31:11 serious slide down, but then no one's held accountable for it. It's like, oh, 31:13 held accountable for it. It's like, oh, 31:13 held accountable for it. It's like, oh, it's it's what it is. It's the system 31:15 it's it's what it is. It's the system 31:15 it's it's what it is. It's the system that's failing. It's no it's the people 31:17 that's failing. It's no it's the people 31:17 that's failing. It's no it's the people running the system 31:19 running the system 31:19 running the system where it's failing. 31:21 where it's failing. 31:21 where it's failing. >> Yeah. And that does need to change. 31:24 >> Yeah. And that does need to change. 31:24 >> Yeah. And that does need to change. >> [snorts] 31:24 >> [snorts] 31:24 >> [snorts] >> Maybe Sage will change it. You 31:26 >> Maybe Sage will change it. You 31:26 >> Maybe Sage will change it. You [laughter] never know. 31:29 [laughter] never know. 31:29 [laughter] never know. >> Might take a bit of time. 31:30 >> Might take a bit of time. 31:30 >> Might take a bit of time. >> Yeah. [laughter] 31:31 >> Yeah. [laughter] 31:32 >> Yeah. [laughter] >> But all good things do. 31:33 >> But all good things do. 31:33 >> But all good things do. >> Yeah. 31:34 >> Yeah. 31:34 >> Yeah. >> I mean, I'm I'm under no impression that 31:37 >> I mean, I'm I'm under no impression that 31:37 >> I mean, I'm I'm under no impression that this is going to be a quick fix 31:38 this is going to be a quick fix 31:38 this is going to be a quick fix solution, but my my plan for our DCS um 31:43 solution, but my my plan for our DCS um 31:43 solution, but my my plan for our DCS um with Rosanna [clears throat] is to be 31:46 with Rosanna [clears throat] is to be 31:46 with Rosanna [clears throat] is to be similar to a hospital, have a an 31:48 similar to a hospital, have a an 31:48 similar to a hospital, have a an all-in-one mental health clinic. 31:51 all-in-one mental health clinic. 31:51 all-in-one mental health clinic. >> Mhm. uh where people can come in uh for 31:55 >> Mhm. uh where people can come in uh for 31:55 >> Mhm. uh where people can come in uh for different modalities of counseling uh 31:57 different modalities of counseling uh 31:57 different modalities of counseling uh whatever their preference is 31:59 whatever their preference is 31:59 whatever their preference is hypnotherapy EMDR therapy um there's al 32:04 hypnotherapy EMDR therapy um there's al 32:04 hypnotherapy EMDR therapy um there's al we've also looked at like raiki massage 32:06 we've also looked at like raiki massage 32:06 we've also looked at like raiki massage and things like that so a complete 32:09 and things like that so a complete 32:09 and things like that so a complete mental health well-being center 32:11 mental health well-being center 32:11 mental health well-being center >> yeah that sounds lovely and very needed 32:15 >> yeah that sounds lovely and very needed 32:15 >> yeah that sounds lovely and very needed >> because 32:17 >> because 32:17 >> because I don't know of anything out there 32:18 I don't know of anything out there 32:18 I don't know of anything out there that's outside of the NHS s that's 32:22 that's outside of the NHS s that's 32:22 that's outside of the NHS s that's purely mental health focused. 32:24 purely mental health focused. 32:24 purely mental health focused. >> No, I mean the counselors try and do a 32:27 >> No, I mean the counselors try and do a 32:28 >> No, I mean the counselors try and do a good job but as I said the the costing 32:31 good job but as I said the the costing 32:31 good job but as I said the the costing it's it's just too much for people. 32:33 it's it's just too much for people. 32:33 it's it's just too much for people. >> Yeah. And I like the idea of introducing 32:36 >> Yeah. And I like the idea of introducing 32:36 >> Yeah. And I like the idea of introducing the different modalities cuz as you said 32:38 the different modalities cuz as you said 32:38 the different modalities cuz as you said the first person you spoke to was trying 32:40 the first person you spoke to was trying 32:40 the first person you spoke to was trying to do hypnotherapy with the best 32:42 to do hypnotherapy with the best 32:42 to do hypnotherapy with the best intentions. I don't doubt 32:44 intentions. I don't doubt 32:44 intentions. I don't doubt >> but that wasn't floating your boat at 32:47 >> but that wasn't floating your boat at 32:47 >> but that wasn't floating your boat at that time. 32:47 that time. 32:47 that time. >> No. No. And there will be other people 32:50 >> No. No. And there will be other people 32:50 >> No. No. And there will be other people that hypnotherapy will be exactly what 32:52 that hypnotherapy will be exactly what 32:52 that hypnotherapy will be exactly what they need. 32:53 they need. 32:53 they need. >> Yeah. 32:54 >> Yeah. 32:54 >> Yeah. >> Or maybe the raiki or I don't know 32:57 >> Or maybe the raiki or I don't know 32:57 >> Or maybe the raiki or I don't know whatever it might be. 32:58 whatever it might be. 32:58 whatever it might be. >> Whatever they need for their mental 33:00 >> Whatever they need for their mental 33:00 >> Whatever they need for their mental health wellbeing, that's what we want to 33:01 health wellbeing, that's what we want to 33:01 health wellbeing, that's what we want to try and provide. And and as I said, I'm 33:05 try and provide. And and as I said, I'm 33:05 try and provide. And and as I said, I'm I'm not dafted enough to know it's going 33:07 I'm not dafted enough to know it's going 33:07 I'm not dafted enough to know it's going to be done in a year. It 33:09 to be done in a year. It 33:09 to be done in a year. It >> you're looking at 5 to 10 years. 33:11 >> you're looking at 5 to 10 years. 33:11 >> you're looking at 5 to 10 years. >> But in the interim, if we can take the 33:12 >> But in the interim, if we can take the 33:12 >> But in the interim, if we can take the pressure off the NHS, then it's a 33:14 pressure off the NHS, then it's a 33:14 pressure off the NHS, then it's a blessing in disguise. 33:15 blessing in disguise. 33:15 blessing in disguise. >> Yeah. 33:16 >> Yeah. 33:16 >> Yeah. um on one of the presentations we do for 33:19 um on one of the presentations we do for 33:19 um on one of the presentations we do for the college cuz we're looking at giving 33:21 the college cuz we're looking at giving 33:21 the college cuz we're looking at giving college college students placements. Um 33:25 college college students placements. Um 33:25 college college students placements. Um so a class roughly about 35 students 33:28 so a class roughly about 35 students 33:28 so a class roughly about 35 students they've got to do 100 hours that's 3,500 33:31 they've got to do 100 hours that's 3,500 33:31 they've got to do 100 hours that's 3,500 hours at [clears throat] 33:33 hours at [clears throat] 33:33 hours at [clears throat] 10 10 sessions per person averaging 33:36 10 10 sessions per person averaging 33:36 10 10 sessions per person averaging that's 350 people that could be seen. 33:40 that's 350 people that could be seen. 33:40 that's 350 people that could be seen. >> That's a lot, isn't it? That's going to 33:41 >> That's a lot, isn't it? That's going to 33:42 >> That's a lot, isn't it? That's going to help. 33:42 help. 33:42 help. >> Yeah. And so you're trailblazing a new 33:46 >> Yeah. And so you're trailblazing a new 33:46 >> Yeah. And so you're trailblazing a new model, really, aren't you? 33:47 model, really, aren't you? 33:47 model, really, aren't you? >> We're trying to 33:48 >> We're trying to 33:48 >> We're trying to >> No, you are. You are. [laughter] You 33:50 >> No, you are. You are. [laughter] You 33:50 >> No, you are. You are. [laughter] You guys are. Take it. 33:52 guys are. Take it. 33:52 guys are. Take it. >> Yeah, you're trailblazing a new model 33:54 >> Yeah, you're trailblazing a new model 33:54 >> Yeah, you're trailblazing a new model that hopefully 33:56 that hopefully 33:56 that hopefully >> will be copied. 33:58 >> will be copied. 33:58 >> will be copied. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, we're looking for 34:02 >> Yeah. Well, I mean, we're looking for 34:02 >> Yeah. Well, I mean, we're looking for trustees and people to come on board 34:03 trustees and people to come on board 34:03 trustees and people to come on board with us because we're not naive naive um 34:08 with us because we're not naive naive um 34:08 with us because we're not naive naive um to say that we know it all. We don't. 34:10 to say that we know it all. We don't. 34:10 to say that we know it all. We don't. It's brand new to us, especially 34:12 It's brand new to us, especially 34:12 It's brand new to us, especially starting a business, let alone becoming 34:15 starting a business, let alone becoming 34:15 starting a business, let alone becoming a charity in the future. It's new to us. 34:17 a charity in the future. It's new to us. 34:17 a charity in the future. It's new to us. We need the experience of people that 34:20 We need the experience of people that 34:20 We need the experience of people that have done the charity work, trustees. Um 34:24 have done the charity work, trustees. Um 34:24 have done the charity work, trustees. Um we're we're we've organized a meeting 34:27 we're we're we've organized a meeting 34:27 we're we're we've organized a meeting next Tuesday for any potential trustees 34:30 next Tuesday for any potential trustees 34:30 next Tuesday for any potential trustees um to come in. uh because we we're new 34:34 um to come in. uh because we we're new 34:34 um to come in. uh because we we're new to it and everybody's experience into it 34:36 to it and everybody's experience into it 34:36 to it and everybody's experience into it will give a different point of view 34:38 will give a different point of view 34:38 will give a different point of view >> and it will be used within our DCS. 34:42 >> and it will be used within our DCS. 34:42 >> and it will be used within our DCS. >> What does RDCS stand for? 34:44 >> What does RDCS stand for? 34:44 >> What does RDCS stand for? >> It's reflective development counseling 34:46 >> It's reflective development counseling 34:46 >> It's reflective development counseling space. 34:47 space. 34:47 space. >> Lovely. I like that. 34:48 >> Lovely. I like that. 34:48 >> Lovely. I like that. >> Yeah, it is a play on Rosanna's and my 34:51 >> Yeah, it is a play on Rosanna's and my 34:51 >> Yeah, it is a play on Rosanna's and my initials. 34:51 initials. 34:51 initials. >> I that was why I thought I know it 34:53 >> I that was why I thought I know it 34:53 >> I that was why I thought I know it doesn't mean that but it is your 34:55 doesn't mean that but it is your 34:55 doesn't mean that but it is your initials, isn't it? 34:56 initials, isn't it? 34:56 initials, isn't it? >> Yeah. So, Rosanna Doug and Chris 34:57 >> Yeah. So, Rosanna Doug and Chris 34:57 >> Yeah. So, Rosanna Doug and Chris Sanders. Yeah. Yeah, 34:59 Sanders. Yeah. Yeah, 34:59 Sanders. Yeah. Yeah, >> I I just because as I said, we like 35:02 >> I I just because as I said, we like 35:02 >> I I just because as I said, we like brother and sister. It was just what 35:04 brother and sister. It was just what 35:04 brother and sister. It was just what what can I come up with for for it? Um, 35:09 what can I come up with for for it? Um, 35:09 what can I come up with for for it? Um, and that I think that was about the 35:11 and that I think that was about the 35:11 and that I think that was about the fourth one 35:12 fourth one 35:12 fourth one >> and I'd taken a few ideas to like, oh, I 35:14 >> and I'd taken a few ideas to like, oh, I 35:14 >> and I'd taken a few ideas to like, oh, I like that one. So, and that's what we've 35:17 like that one. So, and that's what we've 35:17 like that one. So, and that's what we've gone with. 35:17 gone with. 35:17 gone with. >> Yeah. Well, there's a few people that 35:20 >> Yeah. Well, there's a few people that 35:20 >> Yeah. Well, there's a few people that have immediately sprung to mind 35:23 have immediately sprung to mind 35:23 have immediately sprung to mind >> that I'm going to put you in touch with 35:24 >> that I'm going to put you in touch with 35:24 >> that I'm going to put you in touch with that can hopefully help. 35:26 that can hopefully help. 35:26 that can hopefully help. that any help would be truly 35:28 that any help would be truly 35:28 that any help would be truly appreciated. 35:29 appreciated. 35:29 appreciated. >> People that 35:31 >> People that 35:31 >> People that um a couple who I absolutely adore and 35:34 um a couple who I absolutely adore and 35:34 um a couple who I absolutely adore and respect 35:35 respect 35:35 respect um run a retreat center that initially 35:39 um run a retreat center that initially 35:39 um run a retreat center that initially was just for veterans because the 35:42 was just for veterans because the 35:42 was just for veterans because the husband in the equation was a veteran 35:44 husband in the equation was a veteran 35:44 husband in the equation was a veteran himself. Um using various different 35:46 himself. Um using various different 35:46 himself. Um using various different modalities for PTSD 35:49 modalities for PTSD 35:49 modalities for PTSD >> um with great successes. I've been to 35:51 >> um with great successes. I've been to 35:51 >> um with great successes. I've been to some of their charity event meals and 35:53 some of their charity event meals and 35:53 some of their charity event meals and things like that to help them. um and 35:56 things like that to help them. um and 35:56 things like that to help them. um and somebody else who has a very unique 36:01 somebody else who has a very unique 36:01 somebody else who has a very unique methodology that is getting really well 36:04 methodology that is getting really well 36:04 methodology that is getting really well established now. It's getting the cred 36:06 established now. It's getting the cred 36:06 established now. It's getting the cred it should have and would fit very well. 36:08 it should have and would fit very well. 36:08 it should have and would fit very well. >> All right. 36:09 >> All right. 36:09 >> All right. >> Into your model of a multimodal 36:12 >> Into your model of a multimodal 36:12 >> Into your model of a multimodal mental health treatment center if you 36:15 mental health treatment center if you 36:15 mental health treatment center if you like. 36:15 like. 36:15 like. >> Okay. 36:16 >> Okay. 36:16 >> Okay. >> Yeah. I mean is it solution focused is 36:19 >> Yeah. I mean is it solution focused is 36:19 >> Yeah. I mean is it solution focused is another one that's uh recently come 36:21 another one that's uh recently come 36:21 another one that's uh recently come forward. It started in America a couple 36:23 forward. It started in America a couple 36:23 forward. It started in America a couple of years ago I think. Um that's another 36:25 of years ago I think. Um that's another 36:26 of years ago I think. Um that's another one we want to look into. Um as well 36:29 one we want to look into. Um as well 36:29 one we want to look into. Um as well [snorts] similar to CBT in some aspects 36:31 [snorts] similar to CBT in some aspects 36:31 [snorts] similar to CBT in some aspects but um 36:33 but um 36:33 but um >> yeah we 36:35 >> yeah we 36:35 >> yeah we we all want to become anyone that comes 36:37 we all want to become anyone that comes 36:37 we all want to become anyone that comes to our DCS we'd like them to be trained 36:39 to our DCS we'd like them to be trained 36:39 to our DCS we'd like them to be trained integratively. 36:40 integratively. 36:40 integratively. >> Yeah. 36:41 >> Yeah. 36:41 >> Yeah. >> So they're not just using one modality 36:44 >> So they're not just using one modality 36:44 >> So they're not just using one modality because um well I can't remember the 36:47 because um well I can't remember the 36:47 because um well I can't remember the phrase Rosanna used uh one size doesn't 36:49 phrase Rosanna used uh one size doesn't 36:49 phrase Rosanna used uh one size doesn't fit all. 36:50 fit all. 36:50 fit all. >> Absolutely. Uh I think that that was the 36:52 >> Absolutely. Uh I think that that was the 36:52 >> Absolutely. Uh I think that that was the saying she used and as we know from my 36:55 saying she used and as we know from my 36:55 saying she used and as we know from my experience I went to several and they 36:58 experience I went to several and they 36:58 experience I went to several and they were all different modalities and it was 37:01 were all different modalities and it was 37:01 were all different modalities and it was the person centered that worked for me. 37:03 the person centered that worked for me. 37:03 the person centered that worked for me. >> Yeah. And I completely agree and I'm so 37:06 >> Yeah. And I completely agree and I'm so 37:06 >> Yeah. And I completely agree and I'm so pleased now that your life in terms of 37:09 pleased now that your life in terms of 37:10 pleased now that your life in terms of the stability 37:11 the stability 37:11 the stability >> that you've got generally speaking is so 37:15 >> that you've got generally speaking is so 37:15 >> that you've got generally speaking is so so much better. You're in a much better 37:16 so much better. You're in a much better 37:16 so much better. You're in a much better place. 37:17 place. 37:17 place. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean that even though I've 37:19 >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean that even though I've 37:20 >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean that even though I've had setbacks throughout the years, the 37:22 had setbacks throughout the years, the 37:22 had setbacks throughout the years, the most recent one being the prostate 37:23 most recent one being the prostate 37:23 most recent one being the prostate cancer 37:25 cancer 37:25 cancer um and the recent diagnosis that it's 37:28 um and the recent diagnosis that it's 37:28 um and the recent diagnosis that it's come back not well the prostate's been 37:31 come back not well the prostate's been 37:31 come back not well the prostate's been removed but the cancer has come back. Um 37:34 removed but the cancer has come back. Um 37:34 removed but the cancer has come back. Um it's still it's not stopping me. I'm 37:37 it's still it's not stopping me. I'm 37:37 it's still it's not stopping me. I'm still driven to complete this. It my 37:40 still driven to complete this. It my 37:40 still driven to complete this. It my kids are my legacy but this is something 37:43 kids are my legacy but this is something 37:44 kids are my legacy but this is something for everyone at the end of the day. um 37:46 for everyone at the end of the day. um 37:46 for everyone at the end of the day. um and it can be taken on by anyone 37:50 and it can be taken on by anyone 37:50 and it can be taken on by anyone >> many years down the line, fingers 37:51 >> many years down the line, fingers 37:51 >> many years down the line, fingers crossed that IP pass um is still going 37:54 crossed that IP pass um is still going 37:54 crossed that IP pass um is still going to be there and is still going to be 37:56 to be there and is still going to be 37:56 to be there and is still going to be running. 37:57 running. 37:57 running. >> Yeah, absolutely. And I mean the fact 37:59 >> Yeah, absolutely. And I mean the fact 37:59 >> Yeah, absolutely. And I mean the fact you're already going into the colleges 38:01 you're already going into the colleges 38:01 you're already going into the colleges >> Yeah. 38:02 >> Yeah. 38:02 >> Yeah. >> and getting them involved and making 38:05 >> and getting them involved and making 38:05 >> and getting them involved and making them aware of what you're doing. I'm 38:06 them aware of what you're doing. I'm 38:06 them aware of what you're doing. I'm sure as people graduate from the 38:08 sure as people graduate from the 38:08 sure as people graduate from the counseling course, they're going to want 38:10 counseling course, they're going to want 38:10 counseling course, they're going to want to come to you. 38:11 to come to you. 38:11 to come to you. >> Yeah. I mean we are getting a lot of 38:13 >> Yeah. I mean we are getting a lot of 38:13 >> Yeah. I mean we are getting a lot of interest from students uh wanting 38:15 interest from students uh wanting 38:15 interest from students uh wanting placements with us. Um we've had a few 38:18 placements with us. Um we've had a few 38:18 placements with us. Um we've had a few of the students that have volunteered 38:20 of the students that have volunteered 38:20 of the students that have volunteered trustees roles. One student who's in the 38:23 trustees roles. One student who's in the 38:23 trustees roles. One student who's in the final year um she I think she worked for 38:26 final year um she I think she worked for 38:26 final year um she I think she worked for Halifax or someone like that but 38:29 Halifax or someone like that but 38:29 Halifax or someone like that but business um the business side of it. 38:33 business um the business side of it. 38:33 business um the business side of it. She's uh agreed to become our business 38:35 She's uh agreed to become our business 38:35 She's uh agreed to become our business manager. 38:36 manager. 38:36 manager. >> Wonderful. 38:37 >> Wonderful. 38:37 >> Wonderful. >> Yeah. So I I I can then get on with the 38:42 >> Yeah. So I I I can then get on with the 38:42 >> Yeah. So I I I can then get on with the bigger plans. There'll be someone there 38:44 bigger plans. There'll be someone there 38:44 bigger plans. There'll be someone there to run the office. Rosanna and I will 38:46 to run the office. Rosanna and I will 38:46 to run the office. Rosanna and I will still be there to make the decisions. 38:48 still be there to make the decisions. 38:48 still be there to make the decisions. Rosanna wants to concentrate on the 38:50 Rosanna wants to concentrate on the 38:50 Rosanna wants to concentrate on the counseling side more. And we both 38:52 counseling side more. And we both 38:52 counseling side more. And we both eventually want to come because we both 38:54 eventually want to come because we both 38:54 eventually want to come because we both have full-time jobs at the moment as 38:56 have full-time jobs at the moment as 38:56 have full-time jobs at the moment as well as trying to do this. We want to 38:58 well as trying to do this. We want to 38:58 well as trying to do this. We want to step away from them. So our full 39:00 step away from them. So our full 39:00 step away from them. So our full attention is on this. 39:02 attention is on this. 39:02 attention is on this. >> Yeah. 39:03 >> Yeah. 39:03 >> Yeah. >> And so you should. And so how are you 39:05 >> And so you should. And so how are you 39:05 >> And so you should. And so how are you getting your message out there? Who are 39:07 getting your message out there? Who are 39:07 getting your message out there? Who are you talking to? [laughter] 39:09 you talking to? [laughter] 39:09 you talking to? [laughter] >> Um, so 39:12 >> Um, so 39:12 >> Um, so last year uh uh before I graduated, I 39:15 last year uh uh before I graduated, I 39:15 last year uh uh before I graduated, I was put forward for an award ceremony 39:17 was put forward for an award ceremony 39:17 was put forward for an award ceremony within the college. 39:19 within the college. 39:19 within the college. >> Congratulations. 39:20 >> Congratulations. 39:20 >> Congratulations. >> Thank you. Um and I didn't know my story 39:23 >> Thank you. Um and I didn't know my story 39:23 >> Thank you. Um and I didn't know my story had been put forward. my tutor Rebecca 39:25 had been put forward. my tutor Rebecca 39:25 had been put forward. my tutor Rebecca to pull my story forward. And it was 39:27 to pull my story forward. And it was 39:27 to pull my story forward. And it was about um things that had happened prior 39:30 about um things that had happened prior 39:30 about um things that had happened prior to me joining the army, things that had 39:32 to me joining the army, things that had 39:32 to me joining the army, things that had happened while I was in the forces and 39:34 happened while I was in the forces and 39:34 happened while I was in the forces and then the homelessness and the addiction 39:36 then the homelessness and the addiction 39:36 then the homelessness and the addiction afterwards and then building my life 39:37 afterwards and then building my life 39:37 afterwards and then building my life back up. Um so I was put forward for the 39:41 back up. Um so I was put forward for the 39:41 back up. Um so I was put forward for the overcoming adversity award um which I um 39:46 overcoming adversity award um which I um 39:46 overcoming adversity award um which I um successfully won. 39:47 successfully won. 39:47 successfully won. >> Um and then there a lot of other awards 39:50 >> Um and then there a lot of other awards 39:50 >> Um and then there a lot of other awards throughout the night as well. Uh I think 39:52 throughout the night as well. Uh I think 39:52 throughout the night as well. Uh I think there was about 14 or 15 in total. Um 39:56 there was about 14 or 15 in total. Um 39:56 there was about 14 or 15 in total. Um and then the principal and a group of 39:58 and then the principal and a group of 39:58 and then the principal and a group of people get to choose who gets to win the 40:00 people get to choose who gets to win the 40:00 people get to choose who gets to win the principal award. And lo and behold, it 40:03 principal award. And lo and behold, it 40:03 principal award. And lo and behold, it was me. It was funny. I wasn't expecting 40:06 was me. It was funny. I wasn't expecting 40:06 was me. It was funny. I wasn't expecting it. I was sat on the table with um a guy 40:09 it. I was sat on the table with um a guy 40:09 it. I was sat on the table with um a guy called Jason and a lady called I think 40:12 called Jason and a lady called I think 40:12 called Jason and a lady called I think her name was Alyssa uh from Next. They 40:15 her name was Alyssa uh from Next. They 40:15 her name was Alyssa uh from Next. They sponsored the prize money for the 40:17 sponsored the prize money for the 40:17 sponsored the prize money for the Overcoming Adversity Award. And I've 40:19 Overcoming Adversity Award. And I've 40:19 Overcoming Adversity Award. And I've done some work with Jason um after uh 40:23 done some work with Jason um after uh 40:23 done some work with Jason um after uh for my other job in the lighthouse. 40:25 for my other job in the lighthouse. 40:25 for my other job in the lighthouse. >> Right. 40:25 >> Right. 40:25 >> Right. >> Um uh so there was those two Rebecca my 40:28 >> Um uh so there was those two Rebecca my 40:28 >> Um uh so there was those two Rebecca my tutor my wife my son who was visiting 40:31 tutor my wife my son who was visiting 40:31 tutor my wife my son who was visiting from Navy come up for the award ceremony 40:34 from Navy come up for the award ceremony 40:34 from Navy come up for the award ceremony and my stepdaughters and I'm talking 40:36 and my stepdaughters and I'm talking 40:36 and my stepdaughters and I'm talking away to my son and my wife and my tutor 40:39 away to my son and my wife and my tutor 40:39 away to my son and my wife and my tutor both spun the head round once cuz it was 40:42 both spun the head round once cuz it was 40:42 both spun the head round once cuz it was it was the leadup to the principal 40:44 it was the leadup to the principal 40:44 it was the leadup to the principal award. It's like it's talking about you 40:46 award. It's like it's talking about you 40:46 award. It's like it's talking about you like no it's not. don't be dafted. And I 40:49 like no it's not. don't be dafted. And I 40:49 like no it's not. don't be dafted. And I carried on talking to my son and my son 40:51 carried on talking to my son and my son 40:51 carried on talking to my son and my son would look at me and went, "Dad, he's 40:53 would look at me and went, "Dad, he's 40:53 would look at me and went, "Dad, he's talking about you." [laughter] 40:55 talking about you." [laughter] 40:55 talking about you." [laughter] It's like, "Nah, don't be silly. It's 40:57 It's like, "Nah, don't be silly. It's 40:57 It's like, "Nah, don't be silly. It's not me." And then my name came up and 40:59 not me." And then my name came up and 40:59 not me." And then my name came up and spotlight came on. He's like, "What?" 41:01 spotlight came on. He's like, "What?" 41:01 spotlight came on. He's like, "What?" [laughter] 41:02 [laughter] 41:02 [laughter] >> And I'd won the principal award. But 41:04 >> And I'd won the principal award. But 41:04 >> And I'd won the principal award. But then from that, um, a gentleman called 41:06 then from that, um, a gentleman called 41:06 then from that, um, a gentleman called Luke Watson from the Barnes Media team, 41:09 Luke Watson from the Barnes Media team, 41:09 Luke Watson from the Barnes Media team, he'd been in touch with a guy from, um, 41:12 he'd been in touch with a guy from, um, 41:12 he'd been in touch with a guy from, um, BBC Radio Sheffield who also does 41:14 BBC Radio Sheffield who also does 41:14 BBC Radio Sheffield who also does stories for Look North. Um, and they 41:18 stories for Look North. Um, and they 41:18 stories for Look North. Um, and they they said, "Oh, we think your story and 41:21 they said, "Oh, we think your story and 41:21 they said, "Oh, we think your story and your background and what you're doing is 41:23 your background and what you're doing is 41:23 your background and what you're doing is such an achievement and it's a feelood 41:27 such an achievement and it's a feelood 41:27 such an achievement and it's a feelood story and we'd like to get it out 41:29 story and we'd like to get it out 41:29 story and we'd like to get it out there." Um, 41:30 there." Um, 41:30 there." Um, >> so we we ended up doing some 41:32 >> so we we ended up doing some 41:32 >> so we we ended up doing some pre-recorded stuff for Look North. Um, 41:36 pre-recorded stuff for Look North. Um, 41:36 pre-recorded stuff for Look North. Um, and then on Blue Monday this year, um, I 41:40 and then on Blue Monday this year, um, I 41:40 and then on Blue Monday this year, um, I was asked to go to BBC Radio Sheffield 41:42 was asked to go to BBC Radio Sheffield 41:42 was asked to go to BBC Radio Sheffield and do a radio show again. I got there. 41:45 and do a radio show again. I got there. 41:45 and do a radio show again. I got there. I thought, "Oh, it's pre-recording. Get 41:47 I thought, "Oh, it's pre-recording. Get 41:47 I thought, "Oh, it's pre-recording. Get there for 5 to 7 in the morning." Um, 41:49 there for 5 to 7 in the morning." Um, 41:49 there for 5 to 7 in the morning." Um, it's like, "Do you need a drink?" "No, 41:51 it's like, "Do you need a drink?" "No, 41:51 it's like, "Do you need a drink?" "No, I'm fine. Can I go to the toilet before 41:52 I'm fine. Can I go to the toilet before 41:52 I'm fine. Can I go to the toilet before I go, please?" "Yeah, yeah, that's 41:53 I go, please?" "Yeah, yeah, that's 41:53 I go, please?" "Yeah, yeah, that's fine." "Yeah, you'll have you've got a 41:55 fine." "Yeah, you'll have you've got a 41:56 fine." "Yeah, you'll have you've got a couple of minutes. You're going live in 41:57 couple of minutes. You're going live in 41:57 couple of minutes. You're going live in like 5 minutes." Like, what? [laughter] 42:00 like 5 minutes." Like, what? [laughter] 42:00 like 5 minutes." Like, what? [laughter] What do you mean I'm going live? I 42:01 What do you mean I'm going live? I 42:02 What do you mean I'm going live? I thought it'd be pre-recorded. No, you're 42:03 thought it'd be pre-recorded. No, you're 42:03 thought it'd be pre-recorded. No, you're live this morning. 42:05 live this morning. 42:05 live this morning. Um, so there was that. And as I left 42:08 Um, so there was that. And as I left 42:08 Um, so there was that. And as I left that interview, 42:10 that interview, 42:10 that interview, um I got a phone call from the TV studio 42:13 um I got a phone call from the TV studio 42:13 um I got a phone call from the TV studio in Leeds inviting me up for accounts 42:15 in Leeds inviting me up for accounts 42:15 in Leeds inviting me up for accounts chat. 42:16 chat. 42:16 chat. >> Um I was like, "Okay, I'll go for that." 42:18 >> Um I was like, "Okay, I'll go for that." 42:18 >> Um I was like, "Okay, I'll go for that." And then um as I was leaving, I was 42:21 And then um as I was leaving, I was 42:21 And then um as I was leaving, I was getting pings on my phone. It's like, 42:22 getting pings on my phone. It's like, 42:22 getting pings on my phone. It's like, "Just seen you on Look north, mate. Just 42:24 "Just seen you on Look north, mate. Just 42:24 "Just seen you on Look north, mate. Just seen you on Look north, mate. Well done. 42:25 seen you on Look north, mate. Well done. 42:26 seen you on Look north, mate. Well done. Well done. Didn't realize you gone 42:27 Well done. Didn't realize you gone 42:27 Well done. Didn't realize you gone through all that stuff." And it's like, 42:28 through all that stuff." And it's like, 42:28 through all that stuff." And it's like, "What do you mean? I'm going up there
Future Plans and Closing Remarks 42:30 "What do you mean? I'm going up there 42:30 "What do you mean? I'm going up there this afternoon." But they've done the 42:31 this afternoon." But they've done the 42:31 this afternoon." But they've done the snippets throughout the day as well as 42:34 snippets throughout the day as well as 42:34 snippets throughout the day as well as the couch chat. Um, and then since that 42:37 the couch chat. Um, and then since that 42:38 the couch chat. Um, and then since that I was on um the Late Show on radio the 42:42 I was on um the Late Show on radio the 42:42 I was on um the Late Show on radio the the other evening. Um, and I've also 42:45 the other evening. Um, and I've also 42:45 the other evening. Um, and I've also been on the greatest hits as well. So, 42:49 been on the greatest hits as well. So, 42:49 been on the greatest hits as well. So, uh, and it's 42:50 uh, and it's 42:50 uh, and it's >> absolute star then. 42:51 >> absolute star then. 42:52 >> absolute star then. >> Yeah. But I mean it it was a shocker for 42:54 >> Yeah. But I mean it it was a shocker for 42:54 >> Yeah. But I mean it it was a shocker for me to be honest because it's my it's my 42:56 me to be honest because it's my it's my 42:56 me to be honest because it's my it's my story. I I don't think anything of it. 42:59 story. I I don't think anything of it. 42:59 story. I I don't think anything of it. Um it's just a series of events I've 43:02 Um it's just a series of events I've 43:02 Um it's just a series of events I've gone through in my life and it's like um 43:06 gone through in my life and it's like um 43:06 gone through in my life and it's like um and I think the reality hit when the 43:09 and I think the reality hit when the 43:09 and I think the reality hit when the Lady Show got in touch and it's like wow 43:12 Lady Show got in touch and it's like wow 43:12 Lady Show got in touch and it's like wow I didn't realize my story was that 43:14 I didn't realize my story was that 43:14 I didn't realize my story was that powerful for people that things can be 43:16 powerful for people that things can be 43:16 powerful for people that things can be overcome. You can change your life 43:18 overcome. You can change your life 43:18 overcome. You can change your life around. Um and I never thought it as an 43:21 around. Um and I never thought it as an 43:21 around. Um and I never thought it as an inspiration for people either. It to me 43:24 inspiration for people either. It to me 43:24 inspiration for people either. It to me it was just it's my life. 43:26 it was just it's my life. 43:26 it was just it's my life. >> Yeah. [laughter] 43:27 >> Yeah. [laughter] 43:27 >> Yeah. [laughter] And that's probably why they want to 43:28 And that's probably why they want to 43:28 And that's probably why they want to talk to you because not only have you 43:30 talk to you because not only have you 43:30 talk to you because not only have you overcome all these this repeated [ __ ] 43:34 overcome all these this repeated [ __ ] 43:34 overcome all these this repeated [ __ ] that's been thrown at you in different 43:35 that's been thrown at you in different 43:35 that's been thrown at you in different formats is that you're so humble about 43:37 formats is that you're so humble about 43:37 formats is that you're so humble about it. 43:43 >> I don't I don't know where that comes 43:43 >> I don't I don't know where that comes from to be honest. As I say it to me 43:46 from to be honest. As I say it to me 43:46 from to be honest. As I say it to me it's just my life. Um regardless of what 43:49 it's just my life. Um regardless of what 43:49 it's just my life. Um regardless of what happens or what has happened 43:53 happens or what has happened 43:53 happens or what has happened >> it it's made me the person I am today. 43:55 >> it it's made me the person I am today. 43:55 >> it it's made me the person I am today. Yeah. 43:55 Yeah. 43:55 Yeah. >> Um, and I wouldn't be doing RDCS without 43:57 >> Um, and I wouldn't be doing RDCS without 43:57 >> Um, and I wouldn't be doing RDCS without it. Um, 44:01 it. Um, 44:01 it. Um, as as hard as some people might think it 44:04 as as hard as some people might think it 44:04 as as hard as some people might think it is, uh, I think after my story went out 44:07 is, uh, I think after my story went out 44:07 is, uh, I think after my story went out on the BBC website as well, um, I'd got 44:10 on the BBC website as well, um, I'd got 44:10 on the BBC website as well, um, I'd got an auntie that I'd not spoke to in many 44:14 an auntie that I'd not spoke to in many 44:14 an auntie that I'd not spoke to in many years. She got in contact with me 44:16 years. She got in contact with me 44:16 years. She got in contact with me saying, "I didn't realize you'd gone 44:17 saying, "I didn't realize you'd gone 44:17 saying, "I didn't realize you'd gone through all this. Why didn't you come 44:18 through all this. Why didn't you come 44:18 through all this. Why didn't you come and talk to us?" And it's like, "Well, 44:21 and talk to us?" And it's like, "Well, 44:21 and talk to us?" And it's like, "Well, I was going through it. There's nothing 44:22 I was going through it. There's nothing 44:22 I was going through it. There's nothing you could have said or done that was 44:24 you could have said or done that was 44:24 you could have said or done that was that was going to change it. 44:26 that was going to change it. 44:26 that was going to change it. >> Um 44:28 >> Um 44:28 >> Um >> but it doesn't define me anymore. 44:30 >> but it doesn't define me anymore. 44:30 >> but it doesn't define me anymore. >> No, 44:30 >> No, 44:30 >> No, >> I don't dwell on it anymore. 44:33 >> I don't dwell on it anymore. 44:33 >> I don't dwell on it anymore. >> Um I know what the plans are for the 44:35 >> Um I know what the plans are for the 44:35 >> Um I know what the plans are for the future 44:36 future 44:36 future and I know what I've got to do today to 44:38 and I know what I've got to do today to 44:38 and I know what I've got to do today to get there. Um there's a phrase I use 44:40 get there. Um there's a phrase I use 44:40 get there. Um there's a phrase I use quite often. Um and it helps a lot of my 44:43 quite often. Um and it helps a lot of my 44:43 quite often. Um and it helps a lot of my clients as well and a lot of the guys 44:46 clients as well and a lot of the guys 44:46 clients as well and a lot of the guys that I support at Lighthouse Homes. 44:49 that I support at Lighthouse Homes. 44:49 that I support at Lighthouse Homes. It doesn't matter how long the journey 44:51 It doesn't matter how long the journey 44:51 It doesn't matter how long the journey is. It doesn't matter the size of the 44:53 is. It doesn't matter the size of the 44:53 is. It doesn't matter the size of the step you take as long as you're taking 44:55 step you take as long as you're taking 44:55 step you take as long as you're taking it in the right direction. 44:58 it in the right direction. 44:58 it in the right direction. >> Yeah. 44:59 >> Yeah. 44:59 >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, the guys that I support um 45:02 >> Yeah. I mean, the guys that I support um 45:02 >> Yeah. I mean, the guys that I support um in the lighthouse are homeless. Um they 45:06 in the lighthouse are homeless. Um they 45:06 in the lighthouse are homeless. Um they do have addiction issues or they're 45:08 do have addiction issues or they're 45:08 do have addiction issues or they're recovering from addiction. Um, and when 45:12 recovering from addiction. Um, and when 45:12 recovering from addiction. Um, and when I've said they come in and they see me, 45:15 I've said they come in and they see me, 45:15 I've said they come in and they see me, but when they've heard my testimony, 45:16 but when they've heard my testimony, 45:16 but when they've heard my testimony, it's like, man, I didn't realize you'd 45:18 it's like, man, I didn't realize you'd 45:18 it's like, man, I didn't realize you'd gone through all that. It's like, well, 45:20 gone through all that. It's like, well, 45:20 gone through all that. It's like, well, is 45:20 is 45:20 is >> they're going to listen to you more, 45:21 >> they're going to listen to you more, 45:21 >> they're going to listen to you more, aren't they? Surely. 45:23 aren't they? Surely. 45:23 aren't they? Surely. >> Yeah, they do. And some of them have 45:25 >> Yeah, they do. And some of them have 45:25 >> Yeah, they do. And some of them have really taken it on board. Um, a lot of 45:27 really taken it on board. Um, a lot of 45:27 really taken it on board. Um, a lot of the guys that I've supported personally, 45:30 the guys that I've supported personally, 45:30 the guys that I've supported personally, um, have gone on to do college courses, 45:33 um, have gone on to do college courses, 45:33 um, have gone on to do college courses, retraining themselves to do things that 45:35 retraining themselves to do things that 45:36 retraining themselves to do things that they enjoy, that they want to do. Um, 45:38 they enjoy, that they want to do. Um, 45:38 they enjoy, that they want to do. Um, which is which is brilliant to see. 45:41 which is which is brilliant to see. 45:41 which is which is brilliant to see. >> Yeah, 45:42 >> Yeah, 45:42 >> Yeah, >> that is such a positive step out of any 45:45 >> that is such a positive step out of any 45:45 >> that is such a positive step out of any negative mindset, whether that be 45:47 negative mindset, whether that be 45:47 negative mindset, whether that be addiction or anything else, isn't it? If 45:49 addiction or anything else, isn't it? If 45:49 addiction or anything else, isn't it? If you can 45:50 you can 45:50 you can >> find something 45:52 >> find something 45:52 >> find something >> that you want to do and your support to 45:54 >> that you want to do and your support to 45:54 >> that you want to do and your support to get going in that until you're 45:55 get going in that until you're 45:55 get going in that until you're established. 45:58 established. 45:58 established. >> Oh, what a heartwarming wonderful story. 46:03 >> Oh, what a heartwarming wonderful story. 46:03 >> Oh, what a heartwarming wonderful story. >> Is life. [laughter] 46:06 >> Is life. [laughter] 46:06 >> Is life. [laughter] Oh my goodness. 46:08 Oh my goodness. 46:08 Oh my goodness. Yeah. Yeah. But not everybody 46:12 Yeah. Yeah. But not everybody 46:12 Yeah. Yeah. But not everybody has as many significant events in it 46:16 has as many significant events in it 46:16 has as many significant events in it >> as you've had. 46:19 >> as you've had. 46:19 >> as you've had. I think from a young age um 46:24 I think from a young age um 46:24 I think from a young age um I was always determined to do better 46:27 I was always determined to do better 46:27 I was always determined to do better and or I was always did I think my I had 46:31 and or I was always did I think my I had 46:31 and or I was always did I think my I had a supervision um at the lighthouse with 46:35 a supervision um at the lighthouse with 46:35 a supervision um at the lighthouse with my boss and she said do you know what 46:36 my boss and she said do you know what 46:36 my boss and she said do you know what one of you one of your qualities it's 46:38 one of you one of your qualities it's 46:38 one of you one of your qualities it's annoying but not in a bad way is you 46:41 annoying but not in a bad way is you 46:41 annoying but not in a bad way is you always want to be the best at something 46:44 always want to be the best at something 46:44 always want to be the best at something >> and it and it's and it's that drive it's 46:48 >> and it and it's and it's that drive it's 46:48 >> and it and it's and it's that drive it's that drive there There is always 46:49 that drive there There is always 46:49 that drive there There is always something better and you don't have to 46:51 something better and you don't have to 46:51 something better and you don't have to go miles to find it because it's up here 46:54 go miles to find it because it's up here 46:54 go miles to find it because it's up here in your head. 46:55 in your head. 46:55 in your head. >> Yeah. 46:55 >> Yeah. 46:55 >> Yeah. >> The better place is up here. If you can 46:57 >> The better place is up here. If you can 46:57 >> The better place is up here. If you can get in yourself into a better mindset, 47:00 get in yourself into a better mindset, 47:00 get in yourself into a better mindset, everything else will fall into a place 47:01 everything else will fall into a place 47:01 everything else will fall into a place eventually. 47:03 eventually. 47:03 eventually. >> So, how can people reach out and help 47:05 >> So, how can people reach out and help 47:05 >> So, how can people reach out and help RDCS and your mission and Rosanna's 47:08 RDCS and your mission and Rosanna's 47:08 RDCS and your mission and Rosanna's mission? 47:08 mission? 47:08 mission? >> I mean, we we have a website. Um uh it's 47:12 >> I mean, we we have a website. Um uh it's 47:12 >> I mean, we we have a website. Um uh it's rdcs theapy.org.uk. 47:19 um they can email us. Um there there is 47:19 um they can email us. Um there there is a WhatsApp number on the website as 47:21 a WhatsApp number on the website as 47:22 a WhatsApp number on the website as well. We do have a Facebook page. Um and 47:26 well. We do have a Facebook page. Um and 47:26 well. We do have a Facebook page. Um and if if they're wanting to become part of 47:29 if if they're wanting to become part of 47:29 if if they're wanting to become part of the 47:30 the 47:30 the trustees that we want to get up and 47:32 trustees that we want to get up and 47:32 trustees that we want to get up and running, uh they can email us at 47:35 running, uh they can email us at 47:35 running, uh they can email us at info@rdcsapy.org.uk 47:38 info@rdcsapy.org.uk 47:38 info@rdcsapy.org.uk UK and as I said any help, any advice, 47:42 UK and as I said any help, any advice, 47:42 UK and as I said any help, any advice, we will take it on board and we will 47:44 we will take it on board and we will 47:44 we will take it on board and we will bring it to fruition. 47:45 bring it to fruition. 47:45 bring it to fruition. >> Wonderful. What does it take a lot to be 47:47 >> Wonderful. What does it take a lot to be 47:47 >> Wonderful. What does it take a lot to be a trustee? 47:48 a trustee? 47:48 a trustee? >> Um, no. No. The commitments uh a meeting 47:51 >> Um, no. No. The commitments uh a meeting 47:51 >> Um, no. No. The commitments uh a meeting once a month uh and an annual general 47:54 once a month uh and an annual general 47:54 once a month uh and an annual general meeting once a year and there's tea and 47:56 meeting once a year and there's tea and 47:56 meeting once a year and there's tea and coffee thrown in with biscuits. 48:00 coffee thrown in with biscuits. 48:00 coffee thrown in with biscuits. >> Yeah. 48:01 >> Yeah. 48:01 >> Yeah. >> Sounds like a fair exchange to me. 48:03 >> Sounds like a fair exchange to me. 48:03 >> Sounds like a fair exchange to me. >> Yeah. Um, and as I said, any help we can 48:06 >> Yeah. Um, and as I said, any help we can 48:06 >> Yeah. Um, and as I said, any help we can get is really, really appreciated. 48:10 get is really, really appreciated. 48:10 get is really, really appreciated. >> Well, I can just feel this going from 48:14 >> Well, I can just feel this going from 48:14 >> Well, I can just feel this going from strength to strength. You know, your 48:16 strength to strength. You know, your 48:16 strength to strength. You know, your determination, the things you've 48:17 determination, the things you've 48:17 determination, the things you've overcome, your foresight, 48:21 overcome, your foresight, 48:21 overcome, your foresight, >> your relationship, brother and 48:23 >> your relationship, brother and 48:23 >> your relationship, brother and sisterhood with Rosanna, so there you're 48:25 sisterhood with Rosanna, so there you're 48:25 sisterhood with Rosanna, so there you're not on your own. You're driving forwards 48:27 not on your own. You're driving forwards 48:27 not on your own. You're driving forwards together. 48:28 together. 48:28 together. >> Yeah. 48:28 >> Yeah. 48:28 >> Yeah. >> They're all just such positive things, 48:30 >> They're all just such positive things, 48:30 >> They're all just such positive things, aren't they? and 48:32 aren't they? and 48:32 aren't they? and >> you know what you're doing absolutely 48:34 >> you know what you're doing absolutely 48:34 >> you know what you're doing absolutely deserves to be out there and supported. 48:36 deserves to be out there and supported. 48:36 deserves to be out there and supported. >> Thank you. 48:37 >> Thank you. 48:37 >> Thank you. >> I wish you all the very best. 48:38 >> I wish you all the very best. 48:38 >> I wish you all the very best. >> Thank you. 48:39 >> Thank you. 48:39 >> Thank you. >> And thank you for coming today.
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