Unlocking The Potential Of Red Light Therapy

Ari Whitten, MS

My pleasure. Thanks so much for having me.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yes. Among other things, you were talking about red light before anyone else was and before it was as mainstream as it is now. We are going to dig deep into this conversation. You are the founder of the Energy Blueprint System. It is a comprehensive lifestyle and supplement program. You have helped more than 2 million people and counting experience optimal health, better performance, and more energy. You are also the bestselling author of The Ultimate Guide to Red Light Therapy, which I have right here, which is the most popular book ever written on the subject. You can see mine is well dog-eared, and tagged. You are also the host of the popular The Energy Blueprint podcast. You feature the world’s leading natural health experts and finally, you are the founder of Human Optimize Nation. 

Your latest project is unveiling a new paradigm in health and longevity. Digging right in here, we are at the Silent Killers Summit. We are talking about the root causes of chronic inflammation and disease, and we are talking about solutions. Red light is the topic of today, and it falls into the solution bucket. Start by telling us why people should care about red light and infrared light therapy, what it can do for us, and how that light can impact our health. Help start solving some of those root cause problems for us.

Ari Whitten, MS

Yes, it is an interesting story, this whole area of light and red light. I think for most people who are stumbling across this for the first time, it seems odd to think of light as being related to human health in some profound way; it comes across as almost gimmicky. What are these silly red light devices? How would that influence my health? We are used to thinking of light in a couple of ways. One is in terms of our ability to see when we go into a room and flip on a light switch. So we see that light is the absence of darkness. Light is daytime. Light allows us to see and function and we are used to thinking of light in terms of plants and photosynthesis. Light is bioactive in plants and stimulates these chemical processes of photosynthesis. I guess we all learn about this in grade school and high school biology, and that is how we are taught to think about light. We are not taught about light being bioactive in humans and human cells, but it turns out it is.

If you think about it, we know a couple of layers of this story that people are familiar with, though most people have not thought about it deeply enough to realize how bioactive light is. But we know that we get vitamin D from the sun. Vitamin D is not a vitamin. It is a hormone, and it influences the expression of over 2,000 genes in our body. When we go in the sun, sunlight shines on our body and our skin, leading to an increase in a hormone that influences the expression of over 2,000 genes. It turns out that light is profoundly bioactive in humans, not just plants. There is another layer to this story that many people now are much more familiar with, and they were even five or 10 years ago, which is the circadian biology component of the story, which is, if we look outside, if we see a blue sky, that is blue light, and there is plenty of blue light in the sun, though the sun does not appear blue. But part of that spectrum is blue, light blue, the blue wavelengths of light, and those blue light photons enter our eyeballs and hit receptors in the back of our eyeballs and then get transmitted as electrical signals through nerves into a part of the brain called the Suprachiasmatic nucleus. 

This is where our circadian clock is—a 24-hour biological clock. It turns out that those electrical signals from light entering our eyes influence a whole bunch of hormones. For example, testosterone, cortisol, melatonin, and others, as well as neurotransmitters and a huge sequence of coordinated biochemical calls and cellular and subcellular changes that occur in almost every system of our body, and it controls our sleep and wake cycles. It controls the fact that every night, through no volition of your own, you enter into an entirely different state of consciousness for seven, eight, or nine hours, and then again the next morning, through no volition of your own, you wake up and enter into a new state of consciousness.

All of that is heavily influenced by light. That is that 24-hour clock in your brain coordinating all these physiological responses. And it turns out it is a hugely important part of health. This ultraviolet light that we get from the sun and the blue light we get from the sun turn out to have two different physiological mechanisms that profoundly influence human health, functionality, and quality of life. It turns out light is bioactive in humans, not just plants. Now there is another layer to this story that is important and before I get there, maybe I will mention that there are different components of light. So ultraviolet light, blue light—there are parts of the visible spectrum that are still there. The other colors of the rainbow are when we see a rainbow. That is the light spectrum from the sun being split into different colors and separated so that we can see them as different colors. But all of those colors exist in sunlight. 

Those colors, ROYGBIV, are red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, and violet. Many of those colors are bioactive. So violet is ultraviolet light. The blue influences the circadian rhythm. Some of those other colors are also bioactive, especially the red part of that spectrum. Now, as we get out of that, if you want to do a Google search for the electromagnetic spectrum, there are also parts of the spectrum that the human visual system has not evolved to see. Some of those parts of the spectrum that are bioactive to X-rays, for example, are on that spectrum. Gamma rays. Those are bioactive parts of the electromagnetic spectrum, but not in a good way. They will damage your body and cause DNA damage if you get too many of them. Also, things like radio waves are on that spectrum and are not bioactive. A part of the spectrum is the infrared part of the spectrum, which is invisible to the human eye outside of that visible spectrum and is largely bioactive. We can go into an infrared sauna, which heats us. We go into the sunlight, and those infrared rays get absorbed at the layer of the skin and just below it in water in our cells, which heats those cells that are also bioactive, stimulates sweating, and causes heat responses in our body. There is a whole science to that. 

But in this part of the spectrum called the red and near-infrared part of the spectrum, there is special magic going on—science, I should say—rather than magic. But it seems magical. This part of the spectrum uniquely penetrates our body. If you were a kid and you held up, have you ever played with a flashlight at night and held that flashlight up to your skin? You will notice it up to your fingers or your hands, or especially where your fingernails are. What you will notice is that the light that comes out on the other side is predominantly red. It is not the white or yellow light of the flashlight. It gets shifted to a red color. The reason why is because it is specific. Most of the other parts of the light spectrum get absorbed in the very surface layers of the skin. That red and near-infrared light penetrates deeply into our bodies, up to two or two and a half inches deep into our bodies. This would just be a random fact that exists if that type of light was benign and did not affect human physiology at all. It would just be a random fact that, hey, this spectrum of light penetrates deeply into the human body. It does not seem to do anything. But that is what it does. But it turns out that is not the case. It turns out that this part of the light spectrum that penetrates deeply into the body is also bioactive; much ultraviolet light and much blue light are highly bioactive and influence what your cells are doing and cause chemical reactions inside of your cells that profoundly influence human physiology.

It is not just a trivia ability that this red and you are infrared light for hundreds of thousands of years from the sun has been penetrating deeply into the tissues of the human body. The human body evolved the capacity to utilize those photons of light to serve positive functions—to not just let them pass through but to do something positive with them. The human body is, if nothing else, a highly efficient machine. It does not let energy go and waste it. What those photons do, it turns out, is that they do a few things. One is that they are well; maybe I will keep it broad for now, and then we will delve into the specifics because I have been talking for a while now. 

What I will say here to wrap up this first part is that we need to understand that, number one, light is bioactive, and the right way to think about it is not just light. Is this thing? Yes, it is light outside. We can see; we can function in light in the absence of darkness. But the right way to think about it is to think of light in the same way we think of food nutrients: that there are different nutrients of light and that the human body needs a requirement to get adequate amounts of the different light nutrients in the same way that there are essential nutrients with nutrition, that we have to get certain quantities of certain nutrients in the food we eat. The human body also requires certain light nutrients in insufficient quantities and the right nutrients in sufficient quantities. For us to express health, they are a requirement for human health just as much as nutrition. The right nutrition is a requirement for human health.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

You have very clearly explained that the sun and the light that we get from the sun are critical to our health and well-being. It is probably the biggest mistake ever to be inside 24 hours a day and not be exposed to the sun. It is not just a matter of letting light come in your windows and seeing light come through the eyes; it is a matter of the sun being on our skin. I would also venture to say that being drenched in sunscreen from the moment you walk out of your house is probably not a great idea either. We do live in a culture where now we demonize the sun, and we say the sun causes disease, causes aging, causes melanoma, wrinkles, melanoma and wrinkles, and all these things. You and I both know that there is a lot more to the aging of the inside of the body than just wrinkles, melanoma, and all the skin issues. Here we have established the importance of light.

Ari Whitten, MS

There is a lot embedded in those little 30 seconds of what you just said there, too. We could talk just for an hour about the things you said in those 30 seconds alone. 

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yes, go ahead. But talking heads have us believe that the sun is bad. So let us just leave that there and say it is not true. Now that we have established how important this is, could you talk about how it works? What are the mechanisms of action in the body? And then we’ll get into talking about this red light unit that is right behind me here, as you see. We will talk about that. We will show it. We will show how it operates. But first, unpack how this works—what is happening inside the body when I go out in the sun or when I stand in front of this red light?

Ari Whitten, MS

Let me maybe briefly say, based on what you said there, that UV light is the main one that is the most controversial and that UV is ultraviolet light. That is the one that is the most that is controversial territory, the mix of science. I will do this very briefly. There is a mix of science that, if you talk to dermatologists, causes skin aging and skin cancer. You have to avoid ultraviolet light. You have to, as you said, go out slathered in sunscreen at all times. Do not get that sun on your skin because it is going to cause DNA damage and drive all this skin aging and skin cancer. That is the controversial one because it turns out we also need UV light for the synthesis of vitamin D. 

What they would have you believe is that you should avoid the sun and instead that the only benefits of the sun are vitamin D specifically, and that the way to solve this problem is to avoid the sun but take a vitamin D supplement. It turns out this is wrong for several reasons that we, as you said, do not have time to get into. The very brief version of it is that the sun is associated with good health. Studies are looking at all-cause mortality risk of dying from any cause that shows that, and this was particularly research out of Sweden on, I think, close to 40,000 women who were examined over close to three decades, and they showed that sun avoidance was as big of a risk factor for early death as smoking a pack of cigarettes per day? 

Even if it is true that certain and let us be as charitable as possible and Steelman that argument, even if it is true that huge amounts of sun exposure do accelerate skin aging or do increase your odds of specific types of cancer, it is also true they lower your risk of many over a dozen types of other cancer that are more lethal and lower your risk of dozens of other diseases. The main killers that kill us are heart disease, diabetes, obesity, and neurological diseases, so does autoimmune diseases. The right way to look at it is in the context of all-cause mortality. We know that higher amounts of sun exposure are hugely beneficial to health and reduce all-cause mortality or the risk of dying from any cause. 

Let us leave that aside for now and go back to red light and near-infrared light, which are much less controversial than ultraviolet light, and say, How does it work? Well, there are, maybe I will mention first, there are many benefits. There are over 6,000 studies now on the topic of red in your infrared light, showing that it benefits everything from fighting skin aging. It opposes the effects of ultraviolet light on skin aging and increases collagen production, making your skin more useful and speeding up wound healing from all kinds of wounds, whether skin wounds, diabetic ulcers, cuts and scrapes, bone fractures, tendon injuries, or all sorts of injuries. It speeds healing typically on average by about half, or by about double, I should say. It speeds healing by about double. It cuts the healing time by about half. For example, an athlete who sprains an ankle gets back on the field, and half the time. It lowers chronic inflammation. It combats mood disorders like anxiety and depression. It combats neurological diseases. It combats the autoimmune disease like hypothyroidism. It increases fertility, decreases pain, combats arthritis, and combats hair loss. It enhances exercise performance. It speeds up recovery from exercise after exercise. It enhances the adaptations to exercise, whether we are talking about endurance, strength, fat loss, or hormonal metabolic adaptations; it increases energy levels—a whole long list of things. This is not even to go into all the specific medical conditions for which it has been tested; there are dozens, if not hundreds, of studies on minimizing the side effects of chemotherapy drugs in the context of cancer, for example.

Even leaving that aside, even stuff that is relevant to the general population, such as combating hair loss, decreasing skin aging, making your skin more useful, improving your body composition, lowering fat, making you more muscular, enhancing adaptations to exercise, improving energy levels, decreasing pain, improving joint health, improving recovery from exercise, and enhancing sports performance, This list almost sounds silly to most people because you would think, How could one intervention, one thing possibly affect all of these different systems of the body as we are all used to thinking about? I take this drug, and this drug does this one highly targeted thing in this one system of the body. When we start listing off all these different systems of the body in different, seemingly separate types of things, it sounds like snake oil. It sounds like how something could have all of these benefits. This sounds B.S. 

Well, the reason that it does, and this now loops back into your question, which is a mechanism. The only way that something can have so many benefits in so many different systems of the body is if there are some universal mechanisms of benefit across the board in different types of human cells. That is exactly what is going on with red in near-infrared light. It is analogous to saying, Well, how could nutrition possibly reduce your risk of dementia, reduce your risk of heart disease, and improve your sports performance? It combats depression, enhances your recovery from exercise, improves your sleep, and fights inflammation. How could it possibly do all those things? How could meditation possibly have all these benefits at the brain level while reducing your risk of all these different diseases? How could exercise possibly fight all these different diseases in totally different parts of the body? It is the same principle.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

There is no question; nobody argues that. Nobody argues that good nutrition solves all these problems. Nobody argues that exercise solves all these problems. But there is all this—well, this seems fringy and weird. Why would it? Think of it as nutrition.

Ari Whitten, MS

Exactly. It is exactly right. We are providing essentially nutrients and inputs into the biological system that are necessary for the whole system to function better. Same as nutrition, same as exercise, same as sleep. That is how all of those things work. They increase the functionality and health of basically all the systems of the body, not just one little mechanism in one specific system. How does it do that? For a long time, red in your infrared light. The main theorized mechanism of how it worked was that these photons of light went into the cells, into the mitochondria, and hit a photoreceptor, a receptor for photons of light called cytochrome C oxidase and that this enhanced energy production by the cells. This mechanism does indeed exist; it is well-researched and well-established. This does exist. Many people thought, well, it enhances ATP production and cellular energy production, and that makes the cell work better. Of course, there is an element of truth to that. Cells do their jobs well to the extent that there is enough energy supply for them to do their jobs well.

If there is a deficit in energy supply, those cells—whether they are brain cells, heart cells, muscle cells, thyroid gland cells, or whatever, do not function as well when there is a deficit in energy supply. This red and near-infrared light goes into the mitochondria. What it does is basically that there is a part of the mitochondria that needs oxygen to be bound there for it to facilitate energy production. Sometimes there is another compound called nitric oxide that gets in there and essentially blocks it. It plugs up that area where the oxygen should be bound. When nitric oxide is there, it blocks the flow of energy, or rather near-infrared light essentially, boots out of the nitric oxide and allows oxygen to come back in, which facilitates energy production. Again, just to emphasize, light is bioactive in your cells; photons of light from the sun or red, and your infrared light devices penetrate below your skin, go into your cells, into your mitochondria. Those photons interact with the little microscopic components of your mitochondria to facilitate cellular energy production. Light makes your cells produce more energy. That is a pretty remarkable thing to wrap your head around. 

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Well, yes. Especially since most people here view a lack of energy as a universal complaint. For most people watching health summits or participating in health projects, low energy is one of the many symptoms that brought them here because their energy is not what it was when they were eight years old. Ari, I love the next 5 minutes that we have on this first part of our talk because we are going to break this into two parts. After all, you and I can always go for an hour and a half. We are going to compact all this information into the first hour, and then we are going to keep going. But what I had to do was demonstrate this behind me when we got into the second half of our talk. I also want to help people understand what they should be looking for in a unit because, these days, it has become so mainstream and popular, red light. As you mentioned, elite athletes are using it for recovery.

You turn on any health podcast these days, or you follow any famous backer these days. A red light is being discussed. There are the ins and outs of red-light devices. Some of them are absolute garbage and junk. I say that, I am just going to come out and say it. There is a lot of junk out there, so you are going to help us understand what to look for. But real quick, could you talk about how I am going to jump up and go stand on these red lights and demonstrate them? 

Full disclosure: I should be naked while we are doing this. But I am not, because this is G-rated. We had the most popular summit of all time if I did it right, even if I was not going to do that. But here we go. So you can see now that I moved that I have two lights here. We also talk about why I have two lights. If you could guide me through this, guide our audience through this as if they know nothing about what to do here.

Ari Whitten, MS

Yes. First of all, the main source of red and near-infrared light historically has been, as I said, the sun. Now, one of the issues for modern humans is that we spend well in the sun. If light ends up reducing our efficiency in red and near-infrared light exposure. Modern technology comes to the rescue. We have a solution, which is that thanks to LED technology, we can now put red and near-infrared lights in our homes to help correct this deficiency. It is super easy and painless. You get one or two of the types of devices that Laura has behind her. You flip the switch to turn them on, and you put different parts of your body or your whole body in front of those lights for something. Typically, the session will last between five and 20 minutes.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Wait. I could get all those benefits. Honestly, let us just cut that time in half and say 10 minutes a day. All those symptoms and all those health conditions that you just listed can help me in 10 minutes—that is a lot easier than preparing healthy food and food as medicine. I am telling you; I am not saying stuff.

Ari Whitten, MS

Yes, but let us caution people: this is not a replacement for eating a healthy diet or exercising or something; it is something that synergizes with them and is an additional, important aspect of health. But this is a light story; these are the aspects of different light nutrients. You can think of it as us having. Just is there such a thing as malnutrition, which happens when you do not have adequate doses of the nutrients that you are supposed to get in your diet? We can have mal illumination, which is a deficiency or toxicity of certain light nutrients that were exposed to. We have a massive epidemic of mall illumination in terms of deficiency and red infrared light exposure, and this is a key piece of the story of health, longevity, and disease prevention that has not been incorporated into our modern paradigm. We talk about diet and exercise, sleep, and stress management, but most people are leaving out the light part of the story. It is hugely important. It is just a matter of paradigms that we have not incorporated the story of light and human health into our way of thinking. 

But again, we have it; it is not a deficit of science. There are over 6,000 studies that exist on this topic. We know this is profoundly beneficial for your health, for all these different things that I have mentioned before: combating skin aging, combating hair loss, speeding up healing, combating pain, enhancing sports, performance-enhancing recovery, fat loss, muscle gain, and on and on and on. This list goes on to cover many different conditions that combat chronic inflammation. Maybe I will just briefly mention one other key layer, or maybe two other key layers, of how this works and the universal mechanisms. In the interest of time, I will be very succinct. One of the other key layers is essentially what this does: it modulates gene expression in a way that suppresses chronic inflammation. The expression of genes is related to chronic inflammation, and instead, it upregulates. It increases the expression of genes involved in healing, regeneration, and the growth of those tissues. If you were going to reduce down and this is much more important than the layer of the story of enhancing cellular energy production, what it does is in a prolonged way, not just while you are using the light, but for hours. Even some studies show that days later, it magically relates gene expression in the cells that were exposed to upregulate growth and regeneration factors of those tissues. 

This differs depending on the specific tissue that it is exposed to. But when you expose it to your muscles or bones, for example, it upregulates IGF-1, insulin, growth factor-1, and growth factors in bones. It is upregulated in the brain by NF and NGF nerve growth factors and brain-derived neurotrophic factors in other tissues, such as the thyroid gland. It upregulates the local growth factors in that tissue and regeneration factors in the skin; it increases fibroblast production of collagen. So this is why it has a youthful-promoting effect on your skin. It is a product that is increasing collagen production. Then in wounds, you can see in terms of wound and injury healing. For example, I injured my hamstring a few weeks ago while playing tennis and my Achilles. I have been using that light on those tissues to increase wound healing from those injuries. I use it after exercise to speed my recovery and enhance the regeneration and healing of those tissues that were slightly damaged during exercise.

It does this again by altering gene expression in those tissues to increase growth factors and regeneration factors. One thing I will mention is that it is important to understand that this works with your biology, so it does not just do so in an unregulated way. We are just ramps. The more light you get, the more it ramps up. These growth factors in an uncontrolled way. It is working with your biology to allow for the optimal amount of growth and regeneration factors to be expressed to facilitate healing. It is not just injecting steroids or something else that is going to cause all sorts of dysregulation. It works with your biology and the way your genes are designed to express optimally to facilitate optimal expression. And maybe one other layer to the story that I will add—well, I will let you jump in, Laura. I do not want to go on too much with mechanisms.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

We are going to keep going on the mechanism. We will. I want to talk quickly in this first half because we are out of time for this. I just want to talk about this particular unit behind me, which is from Red Therapy Co. You had a hand in developing this when the owner said yes. When the owner of the company decided, he had this personal story of how a red light changed his life, and he decided this is what he was going to do for the rest of his life, as he was going to get these into the hands of everyone he could. He came to you, and he said, Hey, Ari, as the author of the bestselling book of all time on Red Light Therapy, if I were to create a unit that had every specification that you would love to have, that is what this is. You helped create this unit. What I want to share with our audience.

Ari Whitten, MS

I have done, helped create, and been a consultant for the creation of multiple iterations of this device for five years now.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yes. This one behind me is the 840, the Red Rush, and the 840 Pulse. And we are going to get into why pulsing is important. We are going to get into what all of this means. We are going to get into what the difference is between standing from one versus two. If people can only afford one, that is okay too. You get a different thing going on in your body when you are standing in front of two. 

This unit is available for everyone viewing, so if you go to RedTherapy.co/SK2024, SK stands for Silent Killers. Also, there is a clickable link on the page where you are watching this video. If you just go to the RedTherapy Co. link, you can get this. Summit viewers can get between $119 and $414 off the purchase of a device, depending on which model they choose. The discounts will be automatically calculated at checkout. All you need to do is use the code SK2024. That is for Silent Killers 2024, and again, the website is www.RedTherapy.co/SK2024. 

We are going to talk a lot more about this. Ari, I want to thank you so much for joining us today for this talk on Red Light Therapy for our audience. I hope you are finding our conversation insightful and helpful in this next half. We are going to go into the ins and outs of what you are looking for in a device and what you should avoid. We will get deeper into biology as well because, Ari, we can always go deeper. If you are a summit purchaser, stay right here, because we are about to dive even deeper into this discussion. If you are not, click on the button on this page to get access to a continuation of this conversation and many others, and get the tools you need to reclaim your health. If you are watching this continuation of my talk with Ari Whitten on Red Therapy, thank you for being a valuable member of our community. We are going to dove right back in. 

Ari, picking up where we left off, I want to spend time going deeper into why this is important to our physiology and biology. But before that, let us just talk about what makes a unit good versus bad and why this unit behind me is unique. Because you said you have, you have been instrumental in the development of this particular device for the last five years. There are a lot of red-light companies out there. A lot. You can go on Amazon and you can get something rather inexpensive to put on your face for anti-aging, for example. By the way, at the time of filming this, I was about to turn 51 years old, and I used this because I wanted to keep my collagen and I wanted my face and skin to stay youthful. Tell us about the ins and outs of what is good and what is bad when you are buying a unit.

Ari Whitten, MS

I also had to let people know I am about to turn 167 years old, and this is how good it is. No, I am just kidding. That is the power of red light. I wish that would be nice if it were that powerful. 

Little interesting background. As you mentioned at the beginning of this, I was one of the first people to get deep into this topic way before it became popular. My book is a big part of the reason it became popular. I recently reached out to dozens of companies that produce these lights now, to have them submit their lights to a third party, a very good. One of the very few light labs in the world that does third-party testing on the light output of these different devices, and I am going to publish that data soon. But so, I am currently the only person in the world with third-party lab data to know the actual light output of all the different lights from the major manufacturers, and the market has not. It is in my private possession right now, but I will make it public soon. What I was going to say is that I got into this. When I reached out to these companies, probably half of them told me, Ari, Yes, I know you. You are the reason I started this company. Half of the companies in existence that produce these lights have now literally started their own companies because of my book.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Well, if that is not the definition of a ripple effect, I do not know what it is. Here it was, this fringy topic light. What do you mean? Light is a vitamin. What do you mean? Light is a nutrient for your health. You helped this become mainstream. Listen, I just want to acknowledge that for a moment, because your ripple effect and your reach are far away. If you never did another single thing in your life, you have left your legacy—your mark on this planet and our generation of health seekers. So yes, I know you have a lot more cooking to do. You are never going to stop.

Ari Whitten, MS

Totally. I am not the world’s foremost scientific expert on this topic from an academic, clinician, or researcher perspective. Michael Hamblin is a Harvard researcher who has written actual medical textbooks on this subject. I have one right next to me. I could go grab it. Let me grab it real quick. This is the handbook of photomedicine right here. But this is an actual medical textbook. There were people who before me wrote books on this topic, mostly actual research scientists. I just happened to have been on the leading edge of, early on, being aware of the science on this topic and I happened to write the first book—the first good book that was accessible to the general public and wasn’t a textbook only for clinicians and researchers. That is way too dense and way too scientific for the average person. I just synthesized a large body of research, communicated it in simple enough ways for the general public to understand, and said, Here is the benefit. Let us break all this complexity down. Here are the benefits; here is the main mechanism of how it works.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Well, I just pointed out that I do not have that textbook in my office. I have a lot of books, but I have this with all the tabs because I will tell you that even academics and practitioners appreciate information when it is easy to understand. If I do not have to spend hours and hours and hours of my life trying to decipher that textbook, I can get it all in a quick read. I am appreciative of that.

Ari Whitten, MS

Me too. It took me years to synthesize this. The funny story is that I wanted to say that I started doing this before any of these companies existed. The way I had to go about even getting a light for my personal, is pretty funny. I reached out to a marijuana-growing light company that was producing LED lights because nobody was selling LED lights for red light therapy. I reached out to this marijuana grow light company that I found online and said, Hey, can you make me a custom version of the lights you are producing in the same case, same power, same electrical components? Can you just switch the LEDs so that instead of all this, these different colors and UV and blue and green and orange and all this stuff, just make it all this one wavelength of red light at 660 nanometers?

I thought it was a pretty weird request, but he said, Sure. He sent me this light, and then I started sending him other people, people who were in my programs and were coaching clients, and having them order these lights. The guy started getting dozens and dozens of orders for these lights. Eventually, after six months, he sold maybe over a couple hundred thousand dollars of these lights. He was asking, Can I just ask you, why are all these people ordering these weird custom lights for me? I do not even understand why these people are ordering. He did not know anything about why the guy went on to fund one of the major companies that sells these lights.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Out of all these stories you have told me, this is my favorite. I have never heard you want a story like this. I do not think of it.

Ari Whitten, MS

This was the first red light device on the market—these custom ones that I was ordering from a red light company. Well, the first LED ones. Previously, there were laser devices on the market that had been used for two decades by clinicians, physical therapists, and chiropractors. They are often called cold lasers. This was the same principle as red in near-infrared light. The problem was that these devices were ten, 20, or $40,000. They were inaccessible for home use. They were only being used in a clinical setting. The game changer was when LED technology came into existence and you could have LED panels like the ones that are behind you. Now, with the same technology, near-infrared light has become accessible to the average person for 500 to 1000 bucks instead of 10,000, 20,000, or 40,000 bucks. That was a game.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Even so, even the first iteration of red lights that were available for home use was crazy expensive. I can remember looking at panels going. I do not have $3,000 to spend on a light that is only four feet tall.

Ari Whitten, MS

Totally. Now, having said that, since the beginning of people starting to make these devices, the market has been flooded with all kinds of cheap devices. Lots of people and companies from China are trying to cash in on this trend by selling these super cheap devices all over Amazon. Just simple LED panels, face masks, and every other gimmicky thing you can imagine, which also gives the whole space a bad name and makes it look silly and pseudoscientific. But the thing that is important to understand is that with something like vitamin C or vitamin E or any other essential nutrient, it has to be in the right dosage. You cannot just be. Yes, vitamin C is important. Therefore, take this vitamin C pill that I am selling with one milligram of vitamin C per pill. There is a big difference between that one milligram of vitamin C and 250 milligrams. One is going to do nothing for you. One is going to do something for you. The same is true with exercise. Exercise is important. Now go do one rep of body weight squats or go do a 45-minute proper workout.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

My favorite is to just go walk for 20 minutes a day. That is not right. 

Ari Whitten, MS

The dose and intensity matter hugely. The same is true with light, and what this means is that all these cheap devices, many of them with tiny amounts of wattage and tiny amounts of overall light output, do not do anything. Just because they emit some visible light does not mean they are doing anything. You have to ensure that it is of sufficient intensity and dose to acquire those benefits. That dose has been quantified so we know the dosage range. It is measured in something called joules, or the intensity of the light output. Irradiance is measured in something called milliwatts per square centimeter. All of that science is well-defined. We know the light has to have a sufficient intensity of milliwatts per square centimeter to have benefits, and the total time combined with that intensity of light, combined with the total amount of light output from that device, determines the dose. That dose has to be in a proper range to get these bioactive effects, the same as any light nutrient, the same as exercise, the same as anything else. If you say, Hey, meditate for 3 seconds, you are probably not going to get any benefit from meditation. But if you say meditate for 10 to 20 minutes now, we are in the dosage range where you are going to get some benefits.

The same is true of light, and that is the problem with a lot of these cheap devices on the market. They just are not going to get you to the proper dosage range. They do not have the proper light intensity output to have these bioactive effects and benefits on the systems of your body. It is very important to get a device from a highly reputable manufacturer. Me, being a consultant for the company Red Therapy Co, which is the company of the lights that you have, behind you. I have had a hand in designing those lights according to my specifications. I think that they are the best on the market. That is what I would encourage people to do. There are a handful of other companies that also make high-quality lights as well. The quality of the overall market has increased a lot. But those lights would be my go-to lights. The one behind you and they are highly cost-effective. They happen to be one of the cheaper ones on the market as well, relative to the size and light output of the devices. The way this breaks down very simply is that once you get a quality light and you are not dealing with a junky, cheap light, you have one of these quality lights from a manufacturer. 

What you do is two things. You get the biggest one you can afford, ideally full-body panels so you cover the majority of your body at the same time, and you get that. That is going to be the most time-efficient. You are going to get the most out of your body in the shortest time possible. If you use two lights at the same time, you can do the front and back of your body at the same time. Instead of doing 10 minutes on the front and then having to turn around and do 10 minutes on the back, you do both of them simultaneously, and you do the whole full body in 10 minutes as opposed to 20 minutes.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

This is important. This is all about efficiency with two panels, so you do not have to have two panels. It is just going to take you longer to treat the whole body. In my life, it is all about efficiency, and it is all about what I can have in stock as well. When I am in front of my lights, I am probably doing three other things at the same time. I am no joke, and that is a talk for another day. But for me, it is about speed because I am so busy.

Ari Whitten, MS

It is a great point. You can sit or stand between your lights. You could sit and meditate while you are doing your light exposure, which is something I often do. You could do breathing routines. You could read a book if you want to. That is a great time to read. You could listen to a podcast. You can use that time productively. You could be on a business call. There are lots of things you can do during that time. You do not have to have your full attention on the red light therapy. You just plop yourself in front of it. That is all this is. You get a quality device, the biggest one you can afford to treat as much of your body at a given time, and you plop yourself in front of it or the specific part of your body you are trying to treat. You are going to be there for somewhere between 5 and 20 minutes, depending on exactly what your treatment goal is.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yes.

Ari Whitten, MS

It is that easy. That is it.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Simple. I have to say that we have a lot of devices in my house that do a lot of different things. This is the most popular for my family. My daughter is an athlete. She does competitive cheer, and my husband is a landscape contractor, and he does hard physical manual labor. Still to this day, he gets in there with his crew, and nobody works harder and faster than he does. Both of them, in 10 minutes, are there at the end of the day, when they are complaining about how they feel. I ask, did you go sit in front of the red light for 10 minutes today? Did you go? No. Okay, could you please go do that? Then, and then, you can stop complaining. The way that I handle this, by the way, I have found a cool hack for this. These are a little bit taller, so they stand off the ground by two feet. I put a big, giant balance ball—one of those yoga balls. I will stand full body and then, partway through it, oftentimes I will just sit on the balance ball, and that is comfortable. It is comfortable. The other thing I want to say is that you mentioned that you can read. You can get the light to go right into my eyes. I do not want to cover my eyes. They come with little goggles. But it is not dangerous for a red light to go into your eyes. I want my eyes to be bathed in red light, so I will sit and read while I am in front of this.

Ari Whitten, MS

Yes, I am among the almost innumerable different benefits of this. It has also been used for eye conditions. There was a study that just came out, maybe about a year ago, that showed that it combats age-related macular degeneration. Many studies in the context of treating myopia show it is beneficial for people and kids who have myopia, or nearsightedness, which is quickly becoming an epidemic due to all of the screen use. Kids are growing up on screens and not spending time outdoors, so it affects the physical length of the eye from front to back and how fast it is growing, which influences vision at different distances and is causing an epidemic of myopia. Turns out, red light also combats that, which is beneficial for vision and for normal eye growth and eye development in kids as well.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Can you talk? I am so glad we unpacked this because people are afraid. They think they need to cover their eyes. But can you talk a little bit about the pulsing so this particular unit pulses, and there is a scientific importance to pulsing?

Ari Whitten, MS

Yes. One of the things that I recommended Eric, the owner of red light therapy at Red Therapy Co, do a couple of years ago was to be the first light device on the market that incorporated a pulsing feature into it, which he has done in those lights behind you do that. The reason why is that in the literature, this is termed pulsed wave versus continuous. This wave of light is emitted in waves, and the continuous wave is a steady stream of light. Pulsed is flickering on and off. It turns out that there is a sizable body of literature that now exists that has shown that pulsed wave light. When it flickers on and off, it is more effective than a continuous wave. It is not known exactly why this is. I always think from an evolutionary perspective. I always think of walking through a forest and getting light on your body through the trees of the forest in a way where you are getting light, not getting light, not getting light. It is flickering back and forth. I do not know if I am right to think that way, but that is what makes sense to me. That is the only explanation I can think of of a natural reason why it would be the case that pulsed is superior. But we do know it is superior. 

In terms of cellular physiology, there is an element where maybe I will explain this way first dose matters and if you overdo the dose, as with anything, you start to cancel out the benefits and neutralize the effect. You get low doses or moderate doses. You get what is called biostimulation; you stimulate beneficial effects. When you overdo the dose massively, you get what is called bioinhibition. You inhibit those same things that were stimulated at lower doses. Think of it in terms of exercise: if you were to massively overdo exercise because you are not getting benefits from that exercise anymore, you are just creating harm. The same is true with red in your infrared light exposure; although it is much safer than exercise, you are much less likely to cause harm compared to overdoing exercise. But it is still possible if you were to overdo it. You get this bioinhibition. I think if you massively flood the system with just too much, it creates maybe even more inhibition and the pulsed feature creates more stimulation.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

I have a question. I notice myself when I get in front of my red lights or when I get between them and imagine I am naked. I am sitting there on my ball and I am reading whatever I am reading, and I am doing all my habits at once, my good habits at once. I find myself wanting to go ten more minutes, ten more minutes, ten more minutes, because I feel so good when I am in it. I do not know how to explain it, but it is a feeling of peace. It is a feeling of joy. It is your body. Once you get into it, you crave it. I sit here and I look at my time. I am. Shoot, I got to be accountable. I got to go get an interview or a meeting or whatever. How long can I stretch this? How much more time can I squeeze out of this? I do not want to leave once I start. How much is too much with this particular type of unit?

Ari Whitten, MS

Yes, it is a great question. I once had a conversation with this guy, Michael Hamlin, at Harvard Research. He is the most prolific researcher in the field. He’s done over 1400 studies. Maybe that is outdated by now. So that was a few years ago. Maybe it is 2000 now. Who knows? But I talked to him about this exact issue and was interested. I was surprised by his response because he almost brushed off the concern of overdoing it. I was surprised at his lack of caution around overdoing it. He was, yes, basically, it was a response. It was, and it is pretty hard to overdo it. You can have a very safe range, and you can do a lot while still creating benefits before you get into the range of creating harm. I do not know if he would still say that, because that was a few years ago. 

I tend to be more cautious in my assessment, and there is a reason why, which is that he has a researcher in clinical research, and I have dealt with many coaching clients who are using this, many of whom have, in some cases, severe chronic fatigue or other chronic, complex illnesses.

I have seen cases where people are extremely sensitive to light wear, and it is typically people with severe chronic illnesses who are the same people who are extremely intolerant to exercise, who could do 3 minutes of exercise and be wiped out for three days. That demographic of people tends to also be relatively intolerant to light exposure, and they absolutely can overdo it. In those cases, they can be very fatigued. What happens is that you get severe fatigue from it. 

With healthy people or otherwise healthy people, it tends to be very hard to overdo it. Still, I am sure it is possible. As with anything, you can overdo water, you can overdo food, you can overdo sleep, and you can overdo lying in bed. Studies are showing that with bed rest lying in a bed if you have seven days off it, you can get noticeable reductions in bone density and loss of muscle. Everything can be overdone. No question applies here, too. It has a very large safe range, especially for relatively healthy people. If you are severely or chronically ill, what I would recommend is starting with 30 seconds to a minute and then slowly building up from there to make sure that you do not overdo it. If you are severely or chronically ill and you start with, Okay, I am going to do a 20-minute session, it might cause severe fatigue for two days, but if you start with a minute and you build up from there, you will be fine. You are also giving your body time to make adaptations to get to your microdosing.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Microdosing. I can handle this for an hour. I have been known to keep hitting the reset button for an hour straight, and I am deep in a novel, and I am feeling good. It is warm, and I love it. I am holding off a little. I have a busy day ahead of me, and if I can avoid that for another few minutes, I will get addicted to it, which is what I am trying to say. Could you?

Ari Whitten, MS

I would say that you are probably overdoing it, and you are not noticing any negative effects. It is not, and that just goes to show how safe this is. Yes, but I would say that it is likely that you would get a better effect by backing down to closer to half an hour.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yes, that is usually all I have time for. There are occasions when I go an hour; it happens because we overindulge all the time. There is sometimes a time when I eat too much cake.

Ari Whitten, MS

There you go.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Could you talk about the word I am looking for so people can use it for different health goals? There are almost no treatment protocols. That is what I am trying to say. Can you talk about protocols? You just talked about a protocol if you have severe chronic fatigue syndrome. Your protocol is too micro-dosa, and you should build yourself up. What is the protocol if you can handle 10 minutes and, you are working on a heavy metal detox, or you are working on a parasite cleanse, or you are working towards or using it as an athlete to recover, or you are not an athlete? You are 65 years old and you are working out, and you are feeling the normal pain after you work out. What is a protocol that people should use?

Ari Whitten, MS

Yes. First of all, I would say, What is your goal? Why are you using this to treat an injury? I have a few specific devices that I use for specific reasons. This is a little mouthpiece that emits red light. This is a small little laser unit that I use on very small areas where I get an injury. This is a hair loss laser cap that I use on my head. Those are very specific things. The majority of what I do is the full body panel that is behind you. The truth is that it can be used for basically all of these specific purposes. These are more niche devices. Maybe it is hard to use that panel inside the mouth, but these are very specific purposes. 

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

But you can almost sit there. You could sit there like this.

Ari Whitten, MS

You can. You can open your mouth and because it penetrates deeply, you do get some effect from that light hitting your gums through your cheeks as well. In almost all the possible ways that you can use it, you can use that full-body panel. That is why the single best device to get is the full-body LED panel. Now, are you using it for skin anti-aging, for treating surface stuff, or for treating wounds on the surface of your skin, for example? Or are you using it to treat deep tissue stuff—tendons, muscles, inner organs, stuff, more thyroid stuff, or brain stuff? That is the hardest to deliver light to because you have a skull bone that you have to get through to deliver light directly into the brain. 

For all of those deeper tissues, two things are important. One, maybe a few things. One is near-infrared light, which is 800 to 900 nanometers better than red light, which is 6 to 700 nanometers. Now, the light devices you have behind you have both red and near-infrared built into them. They have both wavelengths. Near-infrared penetrates more deeply into the human body. It is invisible to the human visual system. You would need night-vision goggles to see it. It would blind you if you put night vision goggles on to see it and looked at one of those lights with just the near-infrared on, so it would be invisible to your visual system without the goggles. But you put the night vision goggles on, and it would blind you.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

I just want to point out that with this particular unit, you can set it to only do infrared and you can just right the red. It is cool. You do not wonder if you are doing something because you cannot see it, but yes, look at it for just that.

Ari Whitten, MS

That is exactly right. That is why I point out that you cannot see the human eye. It is not part of the visible spectrum. As I mentioned earlier, there are parts of the electromagnetic spectrum that we have not evolved to see. We cannot see X-rays, gamma-rays, or far infrared. We can feel the heat. There are parts of the ultraviolet light spectrum we cannot see either. We cannot see radio waves. There are lots of parts of the spectrum we cannot see. Near-infrared goes from red, and that is the end of the part of the visible spectrum that gets into the near-infrared. We cannot see that, but they essentially do the same thing. 

Near-infrared penetrates more deeply into the body, so for deeper tissues, it is more useful for treating deeper tissue stuff that is more internal to the body. You want to use the light closer to your body and for a longer duration because you want to deliver more overall photons to those deeper tissues to account for the fact that a lot of the photons get absorbed in the more surface tissues. You want it to be close to you, and you want to deliver. You want a longer period to deliver more light photons to those deeper tissues for superficial stuff, for skin anti-aging; you want a shorter duration of use; and you want the light to be a bit further away from you so that it is hitting those surface tissues and not penetrating so deeply.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

What is so fascinating because a lot of the contraptions you can get on Amazon are a face mask that fits a millimeter or rat directly on your face. What I just heard you say is a little bit further back, which is quite beneficial.

Ari Whitten, MS

In it, there are powerful light LED panels like the one you have there. Yes. That is going to be better. You can use facial devices closer to you, but they have to have much, much lower power for you to do that. This is a way that the device that you have behind you is the multi-tool. It is the Swiss Army knife of red light devices—because it can be used essentially for everything. There are targeted devices you can get, like the ones I just showed you. Here is a mouth device; here is a hair loss device; here is a brain device. There is a company named Vielight that makes brain-specific devices. There are many other examples of those specific devices. But the light panel you have behind you is the best purchase for almost everybody because it is the kind that can be used for almost every one of the benefits of this type of technology.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

I have another question about the dose, then, as I think about this. Does dose matter, or, should I say, too much time in front of the light? So much dose, I guess. Does this matter for infrared and red, or is it one or the other? Are they the same in terms of whether you can overdo it?

Ari Whitten, MS

They are essentially the same. You do not need to think about that. It has not been tested to determine if it is easier to overdo this or that. If near-infrared penetrates more deeply. That is going to influence that depending on where in the body you are measuring it deeper or surface. But for the most part, you do not need to think about that. What I would think about is that if you are trying to do skin anti-aging, you want to think about shorter durations of time, 5 to 10 minutes, maybe 15 minutes. It depends on how far away you are from the light because the light intensity drops off the further you move away from it. What we want to think about is five to 10 minutes from about 12 to 24 inches away from the light for skin anti-aging. For treating deeper tissues, and trying to get more light into the deeper tissues. You want to be closer to it. You could potentially be right up against it or six inches away and delivering light for a longer period, maybe 10 to 20 minutes. If you have an injury or something, or you are trying to treat one of my favorite uses, the main thing that I use it for is general skin anti-aging. That is why I look so good at age 167.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

We know that you are 15 or 20 years younger than me. So there.

Ari Whitten, MS

The main thing I use it for is after exercise because it enhances not only recovery but also adaptations to exercise. I will mention a couple of specific studies. Well, I will mention one specific study where they looked at body mass. They looked at fat mass, they looked at skeletal muscle, and they looked at insulin levels and a measure of insulin resistance. They compared the group that did an exercise protocol to another group that did the same exercise protocol with the addition of red light therapy after the exercise. What they found is that in terms of losing body fat and in terms of improvements in insulin sensitivity and reductions of insulin levels, it essentially doubled, almost doubled the benefits from exercise. It synergizes with exercise in an amazing way, where all the normal benefits of exercise get amplified much more than they would be if you just did the exercise alone. That is true of not only helps you recover faster, but it helps enhances endurance adaptations, it helps enhance strength adaptations, it helps amplify fat loss benefits, it helps amplify muscle gain benefits and it amplifies the hormone effect. As an example, the exercise-only group reduced their insulin levels by 19%, which is a marker of improving insulin sensitivity reductions. Blood sugar. The group with the red light therapy was reduced by 38%. 

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Double. 

Ari Whitten, MS

Reductions in insulin and insulin resistance by 22% in the exercise-only group versus 40% in the group that added red light therapy in terms of fat loss, 6% loss of fat in the exercise-only group, and 11% almost double in the group that added red light therapy. Personally, where I love it the most is just after workouts. It helps me recover, gets my energy back much more quickly, and amplifies all the adaptations to exercise.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

I would call you an extreme athlete, Ari. I know you push your body to the limits. I have a personal story with this, with working out. I had already been sold on the benefits of red light, reading your book after having so many interviews over the years with you, knowing that it was such an incredible tool for healing and for helping people get through the protocols that we do to help detoxify the body and clear the body of infections. But then I had a very personal experience with a red light that I was not expecting. What happened was that I had hired a physical trainer to take me through a more intense workout routine than I had ever done before. I can remember coming home one day after that workout, and I was in so much pain the next day because it is always the next day that when I went to sit down on the toilet, it was one of those moments where you take your hand and you put it on the toilet seat to ease yourself down carefully because everything is screaming at you. 

At that moment, I went. I have a good tool to help me with this. I went, and I stood between my red lights. That day was a ten-minute day, and I am not joking. My pain went down to what I would call 75%. I was stunned. Because I have never, since I had been recommending red light, I had never had a personal experience that profound with pain because I do not normally have pain in my body. I could not believe how that changed everything for me. Now, after I work out, I just come home and I make sure I eat my protein because that is important after that big workout, and I make sure I stand in front of those or between those red lights for at least 10 minutes because I can always give myself 10 minutes.

Ari Whitten, MS

Totally. Yes. I have split-tested this; it is hard to split tests precisely as a single individual. It is easier if you are doing a scientific experiment. You have two groups of people. But I have done this on several occasions where I have done a similar workout routine and assessed how sore I am the next day when I do not do the light. How did I feel the next day when I did the light right after the workout? I would say it cut the level of soreness by about half, if not more, and it enhanced the recovery. I want to talk more about mechanisms, but I know we probably have two to wrap up. So let me.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Give me the last moments that we have this time. What are the things that you want our viewers and listeners to hear that we have not covered so far? Give us your pearls and take 5 minutes.

Ari Whitten, MS

Yes. I am just going to reiterate stuff I have said before. Understand that this means eating a good diet and eating the right nutrients in the right doses. It is the same with light. We need the right light nutrients in the right doses for our physiology to work properly. This is a requirement. This is not some bonus-gimmicky thing that works in random, weird ways. Human beings have required, evolved, and require certain nutrients in our diet for our physiology not to function in some extraordinary way but just to function normally, to not be dysfunctional. This is what we are doing with light. Also, it is the same thing. We have evolved to require certain light nutrients—ultraviolet light to get that vitamin D; we get other stuff from ultraviolet light and blue light in the right dosage and timing for our circadian system to function properly; and the right amount of red and near-infrared light into the tissues of our body, on our skin, penetrating through our skin, into our cells, and into our mitochondria, where it is allowing for optimal and normal gene expression, healing, and function of those cells. Understand that this is, again, not just some gimmicky pseudoscience, weird thing. We are providing a type of light that is essential for your physiology to function properly. 

There are over 6,000 studies that have shown the benefits of this in all kinds of contexts. There is no questioning the science of whether this works. It seems weird; it seems gimmicky. It works. There is a huge body of scientific evidence to show it works, and it works for all kinds of different things that almost everybody can benefit from. Are you interested in having more youthful-looking skin, having anti-aging effects on your skin, and stimulating collagen production in your skin to stay younger? Looking longer, are you interested in enhancing recovery, whether it is from injuries or exercise routines? Are you interested in recovering faster and better and getting back to full function faster? 

Are you interested in sleeping better? That is another thing we have not talked about, but there is a whole bunch of research showing that it helps you sleep better. Do you have physical pain problems, joint pain, musculoskeletal pain, fibromyalgia, etc.? It helps combat those things. It helps improve joint health. It helps improve the musculoskeletal system. Are you interested in improving your hormonal health? Are you interested in reducing chronic inflammation, combating oxidative stress, combating autoimmune issues and immune dysregulation, and helping support optimal inflammatory and immune responses? It does that powerfully. 

Are you interested in stimulating your mitochondria? To be healthier so you can have more energy. Does that mean you are interested in combating hair loss? Are you interested, like me, in recovering faster from exercise and amplifying all the benefits of exercise—fat loss, muscle gain, endurance, strength, etc.? 

Almost whatever issue you have going on. There is probably evidence showing that red and near-infrared light therapy can be beneficial in that context. This is a general. You can think of it this way: if this were a supplement if there were a pharmaceutical drug that was capable of doing everything that red and near-infrared light can do for you, if it is something that can fight skin aging, help you lose fat, increase your muscle mass, your strength, and your endurance, lower chronic inflammation, improve your mitochondrial health, fight hair loss, speed up wound healing and injury healing, combat autoimmune issues, combat chronic inflammation, and improve joint health. If it could do all of these things and this were a pharmaceutical, this would be a pill. Your doctor would say that everybody’s got to be on this pill. This is the most amazing drug ever. 

Well, the drug exists. It is just in the form of an LED panel instead of a pharmaceutical. We just need to wrap our heads around the idea that something can be profoundly beneficial for our health, even if it is not a drug from a pharmaceutical company. That is exactly what this is. This is a profoundly beneficial general anti-aging tonic that helps support the optimal functioning of numerous, many different bodily systems. If you want at least one of those that I just mentioned, this is something you should go get yourself one or two of these LED panels and start using them daily or at least three or four times a week. You will notice the benefits as well.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

There is your mic drop right there. I love it when Ari goes on a rant about how important something is. This has been wonderful, as always. Thank you so much. You dropped so much wisdom on our viewers, on our audience summit viewers. You can get the same light that you see behind me. You can click the link on this page that says Red Therapy Co. You can also go to redtherapy.co/SK2024, and you can get these panels. The company is generously giving a discount to viewers of this summit. You can get anywhere from $119 to $414 off the purchase of a device, depending on which model you choose. The discounts will be automatically calculated at checkout, and all you need to do is use the code SK2024. 

Ari, thank you again. As always, I am excited about what you have coming out in the future. You are tireless at researching and figuring out ways to optimize human health. You do have a new project that you are working on. It is going to be a book. It is going to be a program. Human Optimization, where can our audience get a hold of you if they want to receive emails from you, if they want to know what you have coming down the pipeline, or if they want to get a copy of this book, which I know you have been saying you are going to put out in a new volume? This was 2018 when this came out, and you keep saying, I got to do the second volume, but.

Ari Whitten, MS

I am on the verge. I have the third-party data. As I show you. I need to do it very soon. In the next few months. But the books you can get on Amazon’s websites are theenergyblueprint.com and HumanOptimization.com, so you can sign up there for the newsletter and get my latest product and program offerings.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Exciting. Everyone should get on Ari’s e-mail list; at least go and get there and find out what he has coming up. Ari, thank you so much. You are so generous with your time and your love for humanity. This is what this is all about. I already said you have left for the hugest ripple effect already. You do not stop. You are tireless. I thank you for always coming and supporting our project and our audience. It is always a pleasure to interview you. It is truly an honor to know you and just be a witness to what you are doing.

Ari Whitten, MS

Thank you so much, my friend. It is an absolute pleasure. I always enjoy our conversations. You are a great interviewer.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Thank you so much. Until next time. Take good care, everyone. Bye now.