Facing Your Fears: How To Tackle The Anxiety Of A Terrifying Prognosis

Veronique Desaulniers, D.C.

Thanks, Nathan. Thanks for having me. I’m really excited about this symposium and the message of hope that you’ll share with millions of people around the world. 

Nathan Crane

Yeah, I thank you for all the great work you do and for being here to help inspire people. I’d like to dive right into your own journey. let’s start, if you will, sharing what it was like for you, when you when you first got cancer. What was that experience like hearing those words, hearing that diagnosis what was that like for you?

Veronique Desaulniers, D.C.

Well, like most women, it was pretty shocking. Not anything I expected. I was a wellness warrior. I was in practice for 23 years. And I was in the shower, getting ready for work doing a breast self exam, and then bam, felt that lump that changed the course of my life, personally and professionally. And I had to ask myself the question, how could somebody like me develop breast cancer? I ate organic before organic was in style. I exercise, I was under chiropractic care, I thought I was doing everything right. And yet here I was facing this diagnosis with breast cancer. And it was pretty humbling, pretty shocking. But it definitely brought me to my knees. And I went down that that journey of lots of reflection and prayer and meditation trying to understand. I mean, the big picture, I knew that cancer was just a symptom is not the cause. But I had a difficult time understanding how someone like me could develop breast cancer. 

Nathan Crane

And so you’re sitting in the doctor’s office, and you get your results and they tell you you have cancer. What goes through your mind in that moment? 

Veronique Desaulniers, D.C.

Well, interestingly, it was a friend of mine, who was a medical doctor, and he had the time, looking at 2004 he was working with patients, holistically, integratively before it was much more popular. And I already already had a sense, my gut told me it wasn’t right. And I kind of had a good hunch of what I was dealing with. And when he said those words, it was well, I kind of knew anyway, so like, what do we need to do? What do I need to do? I knew what I needed to do on one level, but it was good that I had kind of an objective person who would able would be able to kind of move some of that maze of information that we all go through that overwhelm and that confusion so that was very helpful at first. 

Nathan Crane

So it sounds like you were pretty empowered right from the beginning. Solution oriented like okay, it’s time to do something. Versus, a lot of people are in the shock phase, which is like, oh my God, why me? What is this? What it’s like, just total shock and fear and anxiety? Did you have any of that fear and anxiety? Or were you just like, boom, straight to solutions? 

Veronique Desaulniers, D.C.

Well, I have to say, I’m sure the first few days, there was a had to let it sink in. And I had seen in my practice, what traditional medicine, conventional medicine did to people versus those who chose evidence based natural medicine. And I had so much confidence in the path that I was going to take, I know the body has an amazing ability to heal, given the right circumstances and things that you do for it. So once I let that settle in, and I said, okay, like you said, bam, what do we need to do? What’s the game plan? 

Nathan Crane

So that’s a huge blessing for you is you have all this experience, this wisdom, this knowledge of natural medicine of the cancer is a symptom of a deeper underlying cause, like you already know all these things, which is a strong foundation for you, right? Some people tuning in, they might be on the same level, but still dealing with some fears, some anxiety, and other people tuning in, they may not know any of that, and are just in total shock and all. What words of advice you have for people who have quite a bit of fear and anxiety still wrapped around their diagnosis, and maybe don’t have that strong foundation like you had? Well, when you when you hear those words, “you have cancer”, the first thing that comes to our mind is what, a balding, sickly person struggling to stay alive. Because that’s what conventional medicine has done to people, right. That’s the image that we think of right away, cancer equals death. 

Veronique Desaulniers, D.C.

Right. And so, my suggestion is to recognize that this is not an emergency situation, it’s not like you’re dying of a heart attack, you have time to really look at your options, get another opinion, do your research, don’t just rely on another person’s opinion about what you need to do. Take responsibility for your health. And cancer, as we mentioned, is a symptom, it’s not the cause. So, your lifestyle, and everything that you’ve done to this point in your life, physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, has led to this turning point in your life. And you have a choice, you can be bitter, you can be better, right? You can be a victim, you can be a victor. So it’s really about taking that responsibility. And the good news is, is that since you had a measure of responsibility in allowing the cancer to grow in the first place, then you have a lot of choices and a lot of things that you can do to reverse that. I mean, that’s the great news. Because once you understand what cancer is, and what cancer is not, then that fear just dissipates and melts away. 

Nathan Crane

I love that you brought up the fact that, it’s not cancer that makes people sickly and lose their hair. And this is something that I constantly, am sharing and teaching with others because like you said, we have this mainstream narrative that’s been ingrained into our psyche, into our subconscious, that cancer is associated with sickness and death and losing our hair and weakness and throwing up and vomiting. And actually, cancer rarely ever causes any of those things or those symptoms for people, right? Unless you’re in a a late stage cancer that has spread throughout has metastasized throughout your lymphatic system, which are your body and in your digestive system, or whatever it might be, you might be having some chronic symptoms that are worse than others, but majority of people have very little symptoms from cancer, right? It’s the conventional treatment, the chemotherapy, the radiation, and distinguishing that I think helps us a lot to go, okay, this methodology if people choose it fine. But this is what’s gonna lead to all of those symptoms, all those things we’ve associated with cancer, it’s not cancer causing that. That’s our conventional medical treatment. 

Veronique Desaulniers, D.C.

Correct. 

Nathan Crane

And I don’t wanna deter anyone from from doing that. If you choose that, that’s fine. That’s up to you. But what we wanna do through the symposium, through this interview and through the other interviews, I highly encourage you to go and listen to is to give you a wealth of knowledge, understanding and practical tools to enhance your immune system to support your body’s natural healing to help you whether you choose conventional treatment or not. So even if you do choose to conventional treatment, but you’re taking care of your body in the process, you’ll be much more likely to heal long term than not taking care of your body not taking care of your nutrition, your diet, your mind, your spirituality, all the things that you already mentioned. Which leads me to kind of the next, I think, a natural question, which is, okay, so you had your diagnosis, you already had a strong foundation and you got grounded, you said, okay, it’s time to start focusing on solutions. What were those next steps that you took for yourself? 

Veronique Desaulniers, D.C.

Well, I had to look at what were the pieces of the puzzle that I was missing. And there were moments where I was kind of jumping all over the map and doing a little bit of this, a little bit of that. But then I just kind of had a light bulb moment and I said, there’s got to be a system, a simple method that I can say, okay, I’ve tackled this, I’ve tackled that. And I looked at all the different aspects that are involved in a healing journey and that’s when I created the 70 central system. So it’s a step by step guide that if you follow, you never have to fear cancer or any dis ease again. Do you want me to run through them? Or you want me to talk about them? 

Nathan Crane

Yeah, I’d love for you to run through them and as well as, did you come up with these immediately? Did you develop them over time as you’re going through your journey? What did that kind of development process look like?

Veronique Desaulniers, D.C.

Yeah, I mean, I remember the day where I was sitting in my office, and I just started writing, just started journaling. And I realized all the different pieces that needed to come together for somebody to heal and that that was gonna be in my plan of action. At the time I had no idea it was going to end up being a registered system that, thousands of women around the world would be using. So it was it was just a download, I think it just came to me pretty pretty quickly. 

Nathan Crane

Beautiful, yeah so if you’d love to go through them briefly. 

Veronique Desaulniers, D.C.

Okay, yeah, just real briefly. So essential number one is let food be your medicine. And I’m sure your audience is very much aware of food and how it affects our health. There’s no cookie cutter diet, there is no one size fits all. It’s not just about being vegan or vegetarian and juicing. It’s not just about being keto and paleo there’s there’s balance in between and it all depends on your genes and your weaknesses, your digestive system. So you have to find what works best for you test and assess, right? Secondly, is reduce your toxic exposure. And essential number two. We live in a toxic world, we can’t live in a bubble, but there’s so many things that we can do to neutralize some of those toxins that were exposed to. So look at what’s in your home, look at what you’re putting on your skin. 

Look at your EMF exposure, that’s very, very key. And regularly detox. We have to detox every single day. No matter how clean we try to live, there’s always some sort of toxic exposure. So coffee enemas, saunas, sweating, all those things that we can do to detox. And number three is to balance your energy. Now we’re 1 billionth physical matter the rest is all energy. So how do we balance that? Chiropractic care, acupuncture, making sure you’re getting restorative sleep. Exercise, moving your body, balancing your hormones now that’s key, especially for women and men. Your hormones are not causing cancer. It’s the chemical estrogens and the xenoestrogens that you’re exposed to in the environment and your body’s ability to detox. So don’t fear your hormones, you need them to heal. It’s very, very important. 

Nathan Crane

I want to mention there, especially for women tuning in. I’m doing an interview with Dr. Michelle Sands, all about hormones, so make sure to listen to that. I mean, you have a lot of good work on that as well. And I suggest people read your book, Dr. V, because you talk a lot about how to balance hormones, you coach people through that you have online programs. And for those tuning into the symposium, make sure to go listen to Dr. Michelle Sands interview as well because we’re gonna dive deep into how to do that. 

Veronique Desaulniers, D.C.

Very important, so important. Number four is healing the emotional wounds and part of our discussion is about that, right? Facing your fears. But really, looking at your childhood events, your teenage events, your adult events, taking the time to nurture your soul to forgive yourself, forgive others. Looking at various techniques that can help to release and retrain your brain so that you’re not stuck in those, reactive ways of thinking and being. So really, really important and that I think, if I were to redo it, I would put the emotional wounds as number one. Because I think that, our mind as we know, affects so many aspects. 

Every single thought we think affects our ourselves in a positive or negative way. So that’s really key. And that’s a difficult one, because people have a hard time. It’s not tangible. It’s not like taking pills or doing something physical, right? It’s about pulling away and really giving yourself the time to heal internally. And number five is embracing biological dentistry. And we know that our teeth are live organisms that are connected to all our organs through the acupuncture meridian system. So if you have a root canal, or an amalgam filling, those things are toxic, and they’re releasing toxins in your body, and it’s affecting the energy flow on those meridians to the breast tissue. So very, very key to work with a biological dentist. 

Nathan Crane

I saw, I wanna mention there real quick, I saw a study that was done a number of years ago. And I’m trying to remember the exact percentage, but it was something like they identified women who had root canals on the same side as breast cancer. And it was almost like, almost close to 100%. If I can remember correctly, that the root canal that they had was on the pretty much like the same tooth on the same side as they had breast cancer. And there’s some really interesting evidence, starting to emerge that when they remove those root canals, breast cancer can actually go away, as well as chronic back pain and other chronic diseases associated with it. So it’s really fascinating. I saw a documentary a while back called Root Cause. Netflix took it off because I think too many dentists were complaining is what I read anyway, but I saw it on Gaia, Root Cause Gaia TV, which is a great documentary, which goes into more depth on that subject. 

Veronique Desaulniers, D.C.

Yeah, they interviewed a lot of doctors from all over the world. And unanimously, they agreed with the root canal amalgam issue on those meridians. Alright, so where are we? At number six is to heal your body with therapeutic plants and herbs. And this is often the number one question that we get. What can I take so I can kill this cancer and boost my immune system? And again, there’s no cookie cutter formula, it all depends on the type of cancer, all of those things. And we do recommend specific kinds of testing to be able to determine which supplements are going to work best for you. So whether you do Bioenergetic testing, or the RGCC Greece Test, to see exactly which supplements are gonna target the cancer and boost your immune system. But some simple key things is your vitamin D level. 

That alone can reduce your risk of recurrence and developing breast cancer in the first place by 83%. So make sure your vitamin D levels are optimal. And make sure you have plenty of iodine, trace minerals, magnesium, zinc, selenium, all key components of the immune system. And there’s all kinds of formulas and you can read the book, go to my website, and there’s all kinds of information you can get there about that. And then lastly is essential number seven, and that’s adopting very early detection and testing. And using tests outside of traditional medicine. You’re not gonna learn much about your body by doing regular, traditional testing. So you have to think outside the box. 

So making sure you’re checking your inflammatory markers every quarter especially if you’re on an active healing journey. Using the RGCC test, there’s another test called, The Cancer Profile that measures the hormones that cancer cells give off so you can see if there’s some activity going on there. Using Thermography. I’m not gonna tell you not to have a mammogram but we know that the pink movement has really created a frenzy about making sure you get your mammogram every year, but there’s still 364 days of the year where your breast tissue can change so be very vigilant, use another screening method, back it up with ultrasound, even if you use thermography, back it up with ultrasound as well. And it’s key for women to learn how to do a proper breast self exam. And this is where, My Breast Friend comes in. So this is a silicone breast model that was created by the Mamacare foundation. And this was the model that was used to train thousands of doctors and nurses around the globe for over 30 years. 

Now, they asked me to take this to the general market, so women would have access to this model. Obviously, I made it look a little bit prettier than theirs is ugly beige. But anyway, you can see that it’s got lumps in it. So it teaches you what to feel for, how to feel and where to feel. So it comes with a video, an instructional video, booklet and all that but take responsibility, because you have access to touching your tissue every day, every week, every month if you want to. And your doctor or the machine that used to screen is only once a year. So be very vigilant and noticing any changes that are going on. 

Nathan Crane

So I have a question about, you obviously had a lot of experience in research and knowledge, that led you to coming up with these seven essentials. The cancer diagnosis, I think was was probably just the catalyst you needed to compile this information not only for yourself, but to help others. And we’re doing some talks on that throughout the symposium, which is how to turn your cancer diagnosis into a life of meaning and purpose. And I certainly commend you for listening to that inner guidance that led you to becoming somebody who really helps other women through this terrifying journey. And at the same time, I’m curious, did you immediately start implementing all seven of these things from the beginning? Or did you accumulate them in your own protocol over time? 

Veronique Desaulniers, D.C.

Well, a lot of these things I’ve already done. So the dental aspect, I had to had my amalgams removed in 1990, early 1990. So, there was just some things that I was already applying and doing. But I think the process of putting it all together in one system just made it, just clarified things for me. And as I started sharing this with my patients, it just seemed to click for so many of them. It was it was simple because they could connect all the dots and see all the things that they had to work on. It wasn’t just nutrition, it wasn’t just detox, but it was the whole thing put together in one package. 

Nathan Crane

So did you use any conventional medicine at all an integrative approach or do you stay all natural? 

Veronique Desaulniers, D.C.

Yeah, no conventional medicine at all. No chemo, no radiation, no surgery. Obviously I used blood work and I did a lot of IVs and integrative things like that but nothing conventional. 

Nathan Crane

And how long did it take before you had a cancer free? 

Veronique Desaulniers, D.C.

So 2004 through 2006 was my first healing journey. Then, big surprise, I was five years into coaching women who had breast cancer, I was known as the breast cancer conqueror. So this was nine years after, my first healing journey. And, again, I knew, I wasn’t feeling well, I was overworked. I was taking on all this energy of women with breast cancer, I wasn’t sleeping well, I was stressed. And I just created the perfect storm for cancer to show up again. And that was tough. That was, I think, harder than the first one because of who I was, and in the public space. And obviously, I didn’t say anything to anybody except my close friends and immediate family. So for three years, I diligently worked and applied and I realized that there were more emotional things that I had to work on. And I think my biggest takeaway from that healing journey was self care. And learning to say no and setting boundaries and I don’t have to live with my nose to the grindstone. I can be calm, I don’t have to be stressed. I made myself a promise when I feel myself

getting stressed, I pull away, shut off the computer, take some time for myself. And that was really, my biggest takeaway is to learning to take care of myself. 

Nathan Crane

And then that cancer went away? 

Veronique Desaulniers, D.C.

Oh, yeah 2018 yes. So 2018 so yeah. 

Nathan Crane

And that was? So three years. Okay, so the first was a couple of years, and then nine years later, second diagnosis took a little bit longer, but you’re probably wiser and healthier and happier than you were after the first one, yeah? 

Veronique Desaulniers, D.C.

Absolutely, absolutely. I say that, happier and healthier than I’ve ever been. It was a long journey, a long process. But I rearranged my life, I stopped doing personal coaching one on one, I trained other coaches, I just set more boundaries for myself and I just shifted everything from a work perspective. Worked a lot less than what I was doing. And just found joy. I mean, I love this saying from this book, Getting Well Again, I forget his name, he was an oncologist, radiologists back in the 80s, way ahead of his time. And he said, he found that cancer patients needed to do more things that brought them joy and less things that brought them pain. And that was really key. 

And recognizing that cancer is a message of love. And when you’re in it, it doesn’t feel like that way sometimes but if you keep asking yourself, what is the gift? What am I learning here? What is this tumor? What is this lump telling me? What can I learn from this? How can I grow? Then those are the answers that will come to you. And it’s it’s transformational. Because it’s not just getting rid of the lump or the bump, right? It’s about transforming your whole life physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, so that that old life that you had before is gone. You have evolved into a happier and healthier person. 

Nathan Crane

Yeah, I think that’s, the biggest takeaway here for anyone with a cancer diagnosis. Or if you’re dealing with fear or anxiety around this is there is hope. That’s one of the first things you said, you also said, don’t rush into anything you have time. It’s taking years for this cancer to form in your body so you have some time to consult, talk with people like Dr. V. Consult with other integrative oncologist, do your research, read some books, watch some documentaries, take your time tuning in and deciding what’s the best path for you. Certainly, I love your seven essentials approach because it makes it easy, practical. I don’t know, easy, obviously, any life changing things aren’t always easy, but let’s say simple and practical and seven steps, we can all do seven steps, right? And stack them on top of each other. And I love that you said cancer is, repeat it again, cancer is love. 

Veronique Desaulniers, D.C.

Well, it’s a message of love. 

Nathan Crane

A message of love. Yes, I love that. Which is, I mean, I’m taking that as what you just said a moment ago, which is, self care. We all need more self care. We all can use more self care, and we all can use and be more loving and compassionate to ourselves. So thank you for that. And thank you for the great work you do. You’re such an inspiration and I hope everyone tuning in they just got a ton of value from this. I’m sure they did. So, yeah, thank you. I really appreciate it Dr. V. 

Veronique Desaulniers, D.C. 

Thanks, Nathan. Thanks for sharing my message of hope. 

Nathan Crane

Absolutely, and thank you all for tuning in here to the Global Cancer Symposium. Make sure to share this with anyone who needs this life changing information and make sure to go to breastcancerconquer.com. Learn more about Dr. V coaching programs or books or online courses and her testing. Also, you can visit healthandhealingclub.com to learn more about the global membership dedicated to helping you get and stay healthy. Again, I’m Nathan Crane I wish you all ultimate health and happiness. Take care.