Full Transcript Introduction and Kyle's Background 0:00 Welcome back to the Bioregulator and Peptides Summit. 0:02 You guys I am here with well a guy who's kind of become a friend 0:07 who's a leading authority in the peptide supplement space. 0:11 Kyal Van Der Leest . 0:12 And before we get rocking and rolling on the episode, 0:15 I want to share with you a little bit about Kyle. 0:18 Kyle story is one of those that starts with personal pain and transforms 0:22 into true purpose level up, which I just found out. 0:26 Shockingly, even though I've interviewed you, what, 4 or 5 times? 0:28 Kyle stands for Van Der Leest Legacy was born 0:32 while Kyle was caring for his mother through a terminal illness. 0:35 That experience led a fire in him to develop supplements with genuine 0:38 compassion and clinical intention behind each and every formula 0:42 he built level up in 2020 at just 27 years old, drawing on his experience 0:46 working across hyperbaric oxygen therapy clinics and one of Australia's 0:50 busiest supplement stores every day, he saw patients taking six, eight, 0:55 ten different products 0:56 just to get the actives they needed, and he knew there was a better way. 0:59 And boy did he ever find it. 1:01 So that led him down the rabbit hole of peptide science. 1:04 And he has never looked back. His formulations. 1:07 Some of our favorites in the space blend cutting edge peptide research 1:11 with advanced nutritional actives and naturopathy herbal extracts. 1:15 This man has very deep, beautiful toolbox, 1:19 each one of them designed to support the body's innate capacity to heal. 1:23 He's also walked the walk personally, having navigated his own battle with mold 1:26 toxicity and its downstream effects, which pushed him even 1:29 deeper into the science of detoxification and brain health. 1:33 Kyle, welcome to the show. 1:35 Welcome back, as always. 1:37 I've been looking forward to this. 1:39 Thanks for having me back. 1:41 And on that. 1:42 And yeah, that was a lovely introduction. 1:44 Took me down memory lane, working at the supplement store and the bot clinic. 1:48 And yeah, it's been a journey over these six years. 1:51 I'm starting to feel like an old tooth in this space 1:54 when there's hundreds of different peptide companies coming up. 1:57 Six years is a pretty big milestone. 1:58 So yeah, it really is. 2:00 And thank you for taking the time. 2:01 I know how busy you are and how crazy the world is. 2:04 Not to mention the fact you getting up at the crack of dawn to do this 2:07 because we're halfway around the world from each other, as usual. 2:12 So, Kyle, today we, you know, there's so many topics 2:15 we could cover because your knowledge base is so deep. 2:18 But what we're going to dig into today is a really hot topic in the peptide space. 2:24 And that is when do you really need to inject 2:27 and when can you get away with an oral version of a peptide. 2:32 And, you know, there's so much controversy 2:36 in this gold rush of peptides that we're in right now. 2:39 We were just talking about that. 2:41 And with a lot of people, I mean, obviously, you know, there's this whole 2:45 there's a whole story or narrative about around do peptides even work? 2:51 Do they even deserve to be on the map for people? 2:55 We can talk about that a little bit, right? 2:57 In the absence of double blind clinical controlled studies and whatnot. 3:02 But what I really want to get into also today is this whole oral 3:06 versus injectable. 3:09 So I'm going to hand over the floor to you. 3:11 I mean, I'll ask a few questions along the way, 3:13 but help us understand how you really came into this. 3:16 Right. Yeah. 3:18 So working at that hog clinic 3:21 opposite the clinic on the other side of the road was a compound in chemist, 3:24 one of the first ones in the, in the world doing injectable and oral peptides.
Oral vs Injectable Peptides Overview 3:29 So that's how I got my introduction to them. 3:31 A lot of the lot of the clients. 3:33 A lot of the patients at the, at the clinic were using them and telling me 3:37 how amazing they were, and being curious minded about all these things. 3:41 I had to look into them and try myself, 3:43 which led me to my introduction to peptides, 3:46 which was oral BPC capsules, which did an amazing job of healing my gut. 3:50 I had some gut issues and some stress issues and my goodness. 3:53 It was amazing for my brain. 3:55 It was amazing for my gut and just the Swiss Army knife of peptides 3:58 that to dismiss the criticism does work orally. 4:03 BPC 100% can work orally, not 100% absorption, but 100% of will work. 4:08 The quick disclaimer behind 4:11 this whole conversation is quite often when I'm at a conference 4:16 or exhibiting a big criticism of peptides is, oh, they don't work orally. 4:21 I think now the conversation about 4:23 do peptides work has been very firmly and very tightly put to bed. 4:27 Thank you to the GLP for opening up that or closing that conversation loop down. 4:32 But when it comes to peptides, to say they don't work orally 4:37 is both true and false at the same time, because peptides are not one thing. 4:41 There's obviously, 4:42 if you're in this space, you know that there's 4:44 hundreds and hundreds of them in your body mates, thousands of different ones. 4:47 There's the catalog of ones that we can use therapeutically and exogenous 4:51 through a capsule or, and injectable is so much smaller 4:54 than the number that our body produces itself. 4:56 So but in this space there's some big ones that will work orally. 5:01 And then there's ones that absolutely, I don't think is possible without, 5:05 you know, doing some, some really weird and all some interesting stuff. 5:09 I don't think they'll work orally. 5:11 The biggest barriers to entry on oral peptides will be the stomach acid 5:16 maturation of the amino acid chain, or breaking down of those amino acids. 5:22 So if you have a thymus in beta for peptide that you take orally, 5:25 that's 43 amino acids long, meaning there's 40 odd 41 to 42 5:31 amino acid links that can be broken by that, by that, 5:35 by the acid or by proteolytic enzymes when you take a bottle. 5:40 So something like that. 5:41 If you want the TB four to have its effects, it's probably 5:46 the it can break down. 5:47 And still this is an exception to it. 5:49 Insulin is probably the best one to start with 5:51 that has two functional groups, one being 30 5:54 and the other one being 21 amino acids long. 5:56 The full insulin peptide is 51 amino acids, and if you break it down, 6:01 pass those two functional groups, it will no longer elicit any benefit. 6:05 So it's not going to work orally. 6:08 That's why diabetics and you know, people who need insulin have to inject it. 6:12 Still to this day, despite advances in oral delivery technologies. 6:16 So where this comes in with peptides, the ones that are too 6:20 big are like Euthymius and Beta four. 6:22 That's 43 amino acids long. That's too large. 6:24 Anything over the 7 to 10 amino acids, I'd really push it 6:29 to say anything bigger than ten would absorb orally. 6:33 Anything smaller than that has the chance and the ability, 6:37 so long as the Dalton size of the peptide, which is just a fancy term of saying 6:41 how big it is in a unit of measurement, anything that's small enough 6:45 in chain length and size has the ability to work orally. 6:49 If you overcome those two barriers to it, getting 6:52 to the side of absorption in the small intestines. 6:55 The first is that acid, right? 6:56 So how do we resist acid? 6:59 You can go about it one way. 7:01 You can try and neutralize stomach acid with alkaline agents like sodium 7:05 bicarbonate, sodium and anything that buffers that acid. 7:09 I wouldn't necessarily recommend that. 7:11 And I'll think that's 100% necessary. 7:14 In a capsule, you can just use an interior coated or a delayed release capsule. 7:18 And essentially that capsule protects the payload inside of it, 7:21 which is peptides or nutraceuticals, whatever you put in it. 7:24 And then that releases 7:26 and breaks down in the small intestine once it's gotten past. 7:29 I have a question. Sure. 7:32 And this is going to be my new strategy with you, because I'm going to need 7:35 to interrupt you. And I don't want to interrupt you. 7:37 So you just said 7 to 10 amino acids. 7:39 But you also mentioned BPC 157. 7:42 Now BPC 157 is 15 amino acids. 7:45 So can we explain to the audience why BPC 157, which you said 7:50 and we I've observed definitely, absolutely will work 7:55 even on musculoskeletal issues taken orally, 7:58 maybe not as well as injectable, but nevertheless it will work to a degree. 8:02 Why does BPC special? 8:04 Because there's always got to be an exception to every rule, doesn't there? 8:08 APC is that exception. 8:10 It is 15 amino acids long, but it is capable 8:13 because of where it's made in the body. 8:14 It's made in the stomach acid explicitly for the purpose in the stomach acid, 8:19 I believe, of healing the and speeding up 8:22 the regeneration of the cells of the stomach and of the GI tract. 8:27 We have a really, really high cellular turnover in our GI tract. 8:30 It's by design, but and it's due to the volatility 8:34 of the digestion 8:35 with stomach acids and enzymes, you need to have fast cellular turnover 8:39 because they are dying or breaking down a lot faster than other cells in the body. 8:43 I believe your body makes this peptide, along with many other gut healing 8:46 peptides, endogenously, to work 8:50 with your body in regenerating these tissues faster. 8:53 So okay, like people who have gut issues I personally believe 8:57 have potentially a BPC deficiency if they have Crohn's or colitis. 9:01 And what might cause that is not a deficiency. 9:05 They might have a to higher of a need for it. 9:07 Essentially, they've got upper GI inflammatory issues where this peptide 9:11 is being utilized and sort of chewed through or used through 9:15 before it has the chance to act distally in the colon or the large bowel. 9:19 So by supplementing exogenous or, you know, through a sub, 9:24 a injectable or a capsule BPC, you can get your body back 9:29 to a homeostatic level of BPC, or even if you've got an issue, 9:32 you can get it way beyond what your body would naturally produce, which is, 9:36 I guess, sort of where the healing magic of BPC comes from. 9:40 If you were to take BPC orally as an acetate form, 9:44 that bond between the peptide and that said, acid 9:47 or the acetate molecule is too weak 9:49 and it will break down and not work anywhere near as well. 9:53 It breaks down in the stomach acid, but you can take a form called BPC rate, 9:58 and that bond between the peptide and the arginine salt is strong enough 10:02 that they've proven even sitting in stomach acid for eight hours in. 10:06 In a study on it, it was called Diageo, the company 10:09 that did all the studies on it that it does survive the stomach acid.
BPC-157, Gut Healing, and Oral Delivery 10:13 Now, they didn't factor in the proteolytic enzymes, 10:16 which is, you know, it's hard to factor in all things in the body. 10:19 But if you can just take the BPC arginine away from food, 10:24 so it's not sitting around in the churn in the chime of your gastric secretions. 10:30 And it stands to reason very, very logically that 10:33 it will bypass the stomach acid. 10:35 And then when that delayed release capsule 10:37 or even independent of that, you just take it as BPC arginine. 10:41 Once it gets to there, then it's capable of acting locally on the gut. 10:45 I believe that's where from a effects perspective, 10:50 you're going to get the most benefit from a BPC orally 10:53 if your intention is to heal the gut, 10:55 because it doesn't necessarily even have to absorb systemically, 10:59 it can bind to the epithelium and elicit all of its healing benefits. 11:03 Its collagen synthesis benefits, its anti-inflammatory effects. 11:07 It can do this locally in the gut. 11:09 And that's that logic in that mentality of do we need it to absorb orally? 11:15 Applies to nutraceuticals like berberine or cumin. 11:19 You don't have to always chase systemic absorption 11:23 if GI tract healing is the goal, right? 11:26 If you do want it to get systemically, then it absolutely as that 11:30 arginine salt can enter the into the systemic circulation. 11:36 One of the ways you can increase this is by having permeation enhancer compounds. 11:41 An example of this that we have used and we're going to continue 11:45 a little bit is one called Selkirk prosaic sodium. 11:48 And okay, another more natural one that people know from the supplement 11:53 industry is called bio perin or black pepper. 11:56 Now we do these two ingredients black peppers combined 12:00 with with curcumin because cumin has poor bioavailability. 12:03 So if you put cumin with black pepper, opens up the junctions in your epithelium 12:08 and allows the cumin to basically leak into circulation, 12:12 this is this same logic is being applied with 12:15 by pharmaceutical companies at the moment with semaglutide. 12:18 Actually they use a heroically, in my opinion, 12:22 detrimentally detrimental to the dose of prosaic sodium. 12:26 We're talking 100 times more than I would comfortably use in our products. 12:31 We use two milligrams of sodium to deliver the BPC 12:35 and these TB four fragments in pharmaceutical. 12:39 They're doing 200mg of sodium and they have to. 12:44 Yeah. 12:44 So this is for the oral. 12:45 So this is for the oral form of semaglutide. Yes. 12:48 So because I was about to ask you like what you were describing was 12:51 and this is where there's a lot of debate and a lot of criticism of supplements 12:57 with black Pepper in them saying that it induces leaky gut, 13:00 which is what we're trying to fix in the first place. 13:03 So help us to, you know, so you're saying at lower dose, 13:07 like two milligrams, it's going to be enough to get what the agents 13:11 you need across the gut, but not so much that it's actually contributing 13:15 to the leaking of the gut. 13:17 So your gut has its permeability as its baseline. 13:21 These peptides are small enough, and they have that 13:23 via passive diffusion can get to a percentage across. 13:27 The reason you add a permeation enhancer is because the killer Doulton 13:32 size, or the Mino acid chain length, might be prohibitive to it passing 13:36 through it, passing through that parece cellular permeability that you have. 13:41 Naturally. 13:42 A lot of people also have leaky gut as like a baseline. 13:45 So interestingly, I think the leaky your gut is the better peptides 13:48 and work for you orally in formulations like our GI repair one. 13:52 I don't use these permeation enhancers because it doesn't make sense 13:55 when we're using peptides like La Raza, tide, and CBV 13:58 to try and seal that gut and reduce that permeability. 14:02 But for our Wolverine product, which is a combination of BPC 157 14:06 and the two small fragments from TB for they called 14:10 TC, which is a fragment 14:12 17 to 23 from five and beta four, and SDK P, 14:16 that's fragment 1 to 4 from the again from the thymus and beta four molecule. 14:21 We use the cell at sodium in that one because we want those, 14:25 all three of those peptides to get systemic in circulation. 14:29 And gut repair for that product is not necessarily the primary goal of it. 14:33 It is if you've got an injury, a connective tissue, 14:36 or a musculoskeletal injury or tear. 14:40 The combination of the Wolverine stack, it's called the combination of BPC 14:44 and the thymus. 14:45 And beta four works both on connective tissue and musculoskeletal system 14:49 for accelerating the healing processes there. 14:52 So that's why we use the permeation enhancer in that one. 14:55 We there's other ones you can use in the market. 14:58 But essentially it's we do that to create a transient a short term permeability. 15:03 Permeability to the gut okay. 15:05 Which is different from long term permeability. 15:08 But again I wouldn't advise using these permeation enhancers. 15:11 For someone who has diagnosed leaky gut syndrome or hyper permeability, 15:17 I, I in their labs they have elevated zone 15:20 and or cal protected and or they have any sort of history of IBD. 15:23 Probably better if they have a systemic injury to just inject it. 15:26 If they're open to that 1 or 2, just take it without a permeation enhancer. 15:30 So the gut lining is not negatively affected by that. 15:34 Right. 15:34 And then those fragments of TB four that you just mentioned. 15:38 And this is where TB four is very interesting. Right. 15:41 Because as you mentioned it's 43 amino acids. 15:43 But what's since been what's been really worked on by people 15:47 is these shorter chains that are part of that 43 amino acid chain. 15:52 So imagine that the 43 minute chain. 15:55 This is not like a linear molecule. 15:57 This it has like offshoots. Imagine. 16:00 So what you and other peptide manufacturers have 16:03 done is isolated these offshoots and and basically 16:07 are delivering them on their own to get specific healing. 16:10 Do you want to maybe talk? 16:12 This is a bit of a sidebar, but do you want to talk 16:14 about the two fragments you chose for this and why you chose them? 16:18 Yeah, well, those two are the ones that have the best anti-inflammatory 16:22 effects, the anti fibrotic effects, the collagen synthesis effects. 16:26 And then there are other smaller chains, as you mentioned, to their TB four. 16:31 But we kind of throw them out 16:34 so to speak, and don't use them because it's like 16:37 well that's maybe not functional or not necessary for the purpose of that. 16:41 I'm not actually sure 16:42 off the top of my head, what the non those ones, the other chains do, 16:46 they might have some benefit that I might have to look into. 16:50 But yeah you could take the, you could when you take the TB 16:54 four parent molecule with the 43 acids long. 16:56 If you were to take that orally, you're like rolling the dice 17:00 that your body will break it down at those specific points to then release 17:04 those, those fragments, we call them the TB four fragments. 17:09 But by not rolling that dice and not having to take this large 17:13 amino acid, you can just deliver it. 17:14 The exact combination, the exact sequence, these four and seven 17:18 amino acid long fragments, you can deliver them in higher doses 17:23 than you'd get from the parent molecule. 17:25 And this same logic is applied to TB 500 for injectable. 17:28 But you can deliver them in much higher doses 17:30 and get the exact effects that you want from that TB four in a chain, 17:36 like in an amino acid peptide that is small enough in chain length 17:40 and small enough in kill adult in size, that it will be able to absorb orally 17:44 and then go on and elicit whole body effects. 17:47 Yeah, well, the whole TB four peptide really is a thymus peptide. 17:52 So I think what 17:52 some of those other chains are doing is they're affecting immune function as well. 17:56 There's another fragment that's very specific to cardiac 18:00 is associated with cardiac benefits. 18:02 And but there's also a fragment 18:04 that destabilizes mast cells now as part of the bigger molecule. 18:08 For most people that's a benefit for people who have mast cell issues. 18:12 Like for example, me, I found out it can actually cause 18:16 a histamine fairly significant histamine reaction because. 18:19 So by isolating the two fragments that you've isolated, 18:23 there's a really good chance you kind of get away from that 18:25 mast cell problem for those people that would be susceptible to it. 18:28 So so okay, so we've touched on a couple of things here. 18:31 Number one BBC 157 is 18:34 we'll call it gut privileged because it comes from the gut. 18:37 And there's something about there. 18:38 You know that 15 amino acid chain is it gets a bye for for whatever reasons right. 18:45 Whereas your TB four fragments you've now cut them down in such a way. 18:49 And I wonder if it's a little bit like the bio regulators 18:52 where bio regulators are embedded in food, for example. 18:56 And it when I reading the research on the bio regulators 19:01 why you can take them in food and still get some benefit is that, 19:05 you know the body doesn't 19:06 blindly the enzymes of the body don't blindly just chop things up. 19:10 There are specific there are specific markers, if you will, 19:14 within a protein that designate where the cleavage sites are. 19:17 And so in that sense, it's almost like you can imagine that the bio regulator 19:21 peptides that are almost like fragments are preserved in their integrity. 19:26 And so perhaps with these thymus and beta four 19:29 fragments, again you've got a preservation of the like. 19:32 There's endpoints that designate 19:34 that they don't get chopped up into their single amino acids. 19:37 Yeah definitely agree with that statement. 19:39 And to close the loop on those fragments, just so people know, the 17 to 23 19:43 one is the one that has the ability to destabilize mast cells.
TB4 Fragments and Targeted Healing 19:47 So anyone with MCA's or a mold mold recovery or what's called 19:52 mold illness, avoid that one. 19:54 But the 1 to 4 is the anti fibrotic anti-inflammatory 19:58 immune no regulatory one. 20:00 That is the SDK. 20:02 The reason I still like the 17 to 23 20:06 fragment of it is it's really good for the wound repair. 20:09 So interesting. 20:11 Yeah the musculoskeletal repair the connective tissue repair that one. 20:15 That's 17 to 2031 despite the fact that it destabilizes mast 20:18 cells, is the hero is the hero fragment within TB four for that. 20:22 And the other one is more for cardio protection and anti-inflammatory anti 20:26 fibrotic okay. That's really interesting. 20:29 Prevent scarring to 20:30 that's like a well I would imagine that Marcel destabilization in in 20:34 in appropriate amount is part of the healing process 100%. 20:38 Yeah. 20:39 Yeah. 20:40 That's being released for a reason right. 20:42 It's only in chronic conditions usually environmental or, 20:46 you know, stress that it then being released for too long becomes a problem. 20:49 But yeah, another actually really interesting one. 20:53 Sorry to go off on a tangent. No it's okay. 20:55 Mine is alpha msh. 20:56 That's another one that has all these little fragments that come off of it. 21:00 So alpha msh is made in our brain melanocytes stimulating hormone. 21:04 And we can isolate small fragments of that, one of them being CFPB 21:09 a tri peptide that has profound anti-inflammatory benefits 21:14 as well as neuro inflammatory reduction effects. 21:18 The reason I got introduced and really loved 21:22 this peptide is I had mold illness. 21:25 I lived in model for years, and when you're in mold, 21:27 alpha msh is one of the main things that goes down and is one of the main reasons 21:32 you go down fast and have a lot of systemic negatives to it. 21:36 So by supplementing with CFPB, you're taking the anti-inflammatory, 21:41 neuro neuro anti-inflammatory 21:43 fragment of alpha MSH and just supplementing a really high dose of it. 21:47 So for me it was really important for a helping 21:50 with my mast cells and my mold illness, but also helping my brain recover. 21:53 And then in the gut to CFPB has been studied for IBD 21:56 as a really potent anti-inflammatory. 21:58 And NF what is it the kappa beta inhibitor or. 22:02 Yeah activator. Yeah. Inhibitor that's the right way. 22:05 Another fragment of that alpha MSH that's used in the peptide or IU 22:09 space is 141 completely, completely 22:14 different effects to CFPB, but it's still a fragment of the alpha MSH. 22:18 And people who've been living in mold and have low alpha MSH 22:22 tend to find that they have a terrible libido and sex drive. 22:25 And again, because I believe it's because the 141 in your brain 22:30 that's naturally produced is being diminished because of the mold. 22:33 So yeah, really beneficial for libido 22:36 and sexual drive is 141 22:39 usually administered in a nasal spray so it gets straight to your brain. 22:43 CFPB can be delivered in a capsule. 22:45 It can be delivered in a nasal spray or injectable. 22:47 And yeah, those are two more fragments of peptides. 22:51 And I'm sure if we looked at all these peptides, we'd 22:54 find little fragments of them. 22:55 I've been trying to find them for the growth hormone secreted dogs. 22:59 But from my research there's not too many that could work orally. 23:04 What is it called again? 23:06 Tessa. 23:06 Maryland's a really good one I love, but it's 43 amino acids long, 23:10 and I don't believe there's any fragment of that one that can deliver the effects. 23:14 I think it needs to be that full, that full chain. 23:16 Well, it itself is a fragment, right? 23:19 It's a fragment of growth hormone. 23:21 But we were talking about off camera is one that can be used orally. 23:26 And compounding pharmacies have been making it orally for a while now. 23:30 Right. Yeah. Yeah. I was actually unaware. 23:33 I just assumed all the growth hormone secreted Gog ones or the groups were 23:38 too large until I looked into that one before I had chat and like, interesting. 23:41 I'm surprised I haven't actually made that as a product yet. 23:44 But anyway, coming soon. Maybe. 23:46 Who knows. 23:47 The regulatory space in peptides is getting too hard. 23:49 I'm not sure, but we'll 23:52 going back to other ways that you can make peptides work. 23:55 And this is something we've been doing is like liposomes. 24:01 Whatever you do, sucker zooms or cyclotrons or all these other things 24:05 and essentially what you 24:06 what you might be seeing in the space now is liposomal peptides. 24:10 We've been doing that for four years. 24:12 We started by doing it with neuropeptides like deixa 24:16 like PPP021I think it was called. 24:20 Yeah. 24:22 And Clank you can do it with sorry. 24:25 We did it with Cmax as well. 24:27 And the reason we do 24:28 these, these neuropeptides orally are small enough so they, they, 24:32 they tick the killer and the amino acid rule. 24:35 But they're so fragile that there's a huge amount 24:39 of loss to enzymatic and stomach acid degradation. 24:43 So the way with level up that I've made these products 24:46 work is by, where appropriate, liposomal them. 24:50 So these those TB four fragments I the product I have has them 24:54 liposomal G.H. 24:56 is another one that it's three amino acids long. 24:59 And if any of those amino acids break or get degraded 25:01 then it no longer has any function. 25:03 So we do that one as a liposome. 25:05 And these neuropeptides the director, the p21 and the Cmax, 25:09 we liposome them as well by using a liposome 25:13 like a lot of liposomal products claim enhanced absorption, 25:16 which is true because you are, you know, utilizing that fat absorption 25:20 and the that fat absorption mechanisms to get them in. 25:23 And if you hold them in your mouth as a percentage of that, 25:26 that can absorb via that before it even needs to hit the GI tract. 25:31 However, the primary reason why I use the liposomes is not necessarily 25:34 to utilize the enhanced absorption through the liposomes is to protect them. 25:38 If you can get them the peptides, pass the stomach acid, pass the enzymes 25:43 and then dispersing in the small intestine, then that's
Alpha-MSH Fragments, Mold, and Neuroinflammation 25:47 honestly the best chance that you have of getting them to work systemically. 25:50 So the light room is a fatty acid envelope in which inside of the envelope 25:56 is the peptide. So how do you do that? 25:59 How do you do that? 26:00 It's a complicated process involving is it really. 26:03 Yeah. 26:03 Yeah I mean our manufacturer, it takes them about seven weeks to do it. 26:06 And then we take it the extra step of freeze drying them to, 26:09 which is just like, all right, you've done this really hard thing. 26:11 And now remove the moisture content and make sure they don't break, 26:15 which is pretty hard to. And you have to. 26:18 Yeah. It's it's complicated. 26:20 A lot of people think at home that they can use 26:22 like a denture cleaner or something like that. 26:24 And not true. 26:26 You can't do that. It's so much harder than that. 26:29 Well, there is that narrative, right? 26:31 Again, like, I mean, people talk about this, 26:32 they're like, well, why would I pay for these liposomes? 26:34 All we have to do is, I guess, put it in I 26:38 these devices that they claim are going to magically envelop the peptide 26:44 or the amino acid chain in a fat envelope, 26:48 and it just seems a little oversimplified to me. 26:50 Yeah, it's very much oversimplified. 26:52 I mean, it's a nice idea 26:54 that you could do it yourself, but it's a lot more complicated than that. 26:57 And I honestly think if you did pull it off, it's a case of, well, 27:03 how long is that? 27:03 Like, how long is that liposome going to be stable for? 27:06 And this is a big, I guess, industry gripe and nuance that I have 27:10 is people claim, be it peptides bear creatine, be it, 27:15 cumin to have liposomes of a certain size. 27:18 And it's a whole thing. I don't want to go down. 27:21 And we just focus on the fact that you can utilize liposome. 27:25 You could also utilize sucrose, you could utilize 27:29 cyclo Dexter and envelope it as well. 27:32 And these are all just protective mechanisms to get the peptide through. 27:35 But if you didn't have any of that, honestly the the delayed release 27:38 capsule is an amazing thing. 27:40 Or the interior coated capsule is just like the best thing. 27:44 And of all of the things we deploy and level up, we've got a delayed release 27:48 capsule with sodium bicarbonate to sort of neutralize any acid that might 27:52 actually hit the peptide and cause it not to work. 27:56 And then we also can use liposomes to like the late release capsules, doing the 28:02 doing the lion's share of the protection of the peptide. 28:05 Right. 28:05 And that's just getting it past the stomach into the small intestine. 28:09 Exactly right. 28:10 Once in the small intestine, it's not like there's no protein degrading enzymes. 28:13 So obviously that's 28:14 where a cell process sodium or a relic acid or something like that. 28:18 Even MCTs, if you took MCTs with your peptides, 28:22 they're negative to taking MCTs is they do create permeability in the gut. 28:27 So there's like a big counter-argument against taking them 28:30 because of the permeation, the permeability increase you get from it. 28:33 But you can kind of utilize 28:35 that with your peptides to to get some benefits there. 28:38 Right. And you don't have to take much. Right? No. 28:42 It's it's so is it a little bit like taking your fat 28:45 soluble vitamins with a bit of fat just to help with absorption? 28:48 Does it kind of tap into that same school of thought? 28:52 Probably. I'm not. 28:53 I can't say that that's true, but it probably makes sense. 28:56 I just know that it was a doctor. 28:59 Stephen Gundry on a podcast was saying how much he dislikes MCTs because they are 29:04 one of the things that basically shuttle through LPs into circulation. 29:08 LPs in lipopolysaccharide, hugely anti hugely inflammatory. 29:13 They actually inject it to in studies on where they're 29:17 looking at inflammation to induce inflammation. 29:21 LPs is a whole thing. 29:22 We could go down in the peptide route but I'll leave that for another one. 29:25 I think the 29:26 I think the whole LPs and contaminated peptide thing is pretty overstated. 29:31 It's not impossible. 29:32 It's not something that isn't there. 29:34 I think it's just a little bit of a fear mongering thing from people. 29:38 I've definitely been guilty of that. 29:41 But of saying why you don't want LPs, and that's 100% true. 29:45 But when you're taking a peptide orally, you don't 29:47 necessarily need to worry about that because your stomach acid clears it up 29:51 and it's going into your it's going into your gut 29:54 lumen rather than direct into a, into a vein or an artery also 29:58 or a your circulation that way hopefully not an artery. 30:02 No, no. Stay away from arteries. 30:03 But I think that but but the LP, I think the LPs conversation which I don't want 30:08 to spend too long on it, but still it's an important thing to touch on. 30:11 It has to do with the quality of our starting materials, right? 30:15 Or it has to do with the processing of the peptides. 30:17 Are they process properly? 30:19 Are they wash properly, 30:20 or are they cleared of toxins from the processing of them, 30:24 of the from the synthesis synthesizing of them to make sure? 30:28 Are they is it being done properly to protect people from the end result? 30:32 And I think that in the injectable world where people are unsure 30:37 where things are being sourced, 30:38 where they're being synthesized, 30:39 where they're being synthesized, and how they're being treated, 30:43 it's a very valid concern in the oral supplement. 30:46 I've heard a lot less chatter about this, and my gut is because 30:50 you have a lot more control over your entire production chain 30:54 than many of the people who are, you know, just caught up in the gold 30:58 rush grabbing $5 things and selling them for 150. 31:02 Yeah, well, the whole testing process for medals, for microbes, contaminants, 31:07 all that stuff is a very expensive process that I, from a business perspective, 31:11 wish I didn't have to do. 31:12 But you do have to do it, otherwise you don't know what you're giving people. 31:16 But in the same way that if you were to eat mercury 31:20 from big fish versus inject something full of mercury, 31:23 your body only absorbs like 0.01% of the mercury that you eat.
Delivery Methods: Liposomes, Capsules, and Enhancers 31:28 And the same thing would apply to LPs. 31:30 I don't know the exact number for lipopolysaccharide specifically, 31:34 but your body, your body, 31:36 not your body, your gut bacteria, if you have dysbiosis, will be making LPs. 31:40 Which is why gut health is really important 31:42 for your overall overall reduction of inflammation in the body. 31:46 But taking all LPs is probably something we do 31:50 way more than you'd think by food and cheeses or food 31:54 that's just been hanging around in the fridge too long, 31:55 so it's not like it's a catastrophic, hospital inducing event. 32:00 If you'd eat that, you might just feel a little sick. 32:02 If there's if you were to eat a piece of meat, that's like a day 32:05 passed its best before date and you still it's a little off. 32:08 You're going to get 32:09 exponentially more LPs into your body than you would from an oral peptide. 32:14 But if you were to inject one with LPs, 100% of that gets through. 32:17 So that's not a good thing. 32:19 That's very important. 32:20 And then the metals piece to like there are potentially 32:22 metal contaminants in these ones if they're not processed properly too, 32:26 which again injecting metals, 100% of them end up in circulation. 32:29 And then they can go on to cause 32:31 all manner of mitochondrial dysfunction issues and encephalopathy. 32:36 Yeah. Forgotten word 32:38 or whatever. 32:39 Wherever the heck the 32:40 the metal embeds itself in the body, it's not going to be good. 32:44 Right? Okay. 32:45 So let's let's give people 32:46 I mean these episodes are going to be a little shorter, but let's give people 32:49 some helpful information about use case scenarios for something 32:54 like because you have a few different formulas, you've got your BPC with PE, 32:59 which has one use case, you've got BPC and the and the TB for fragment. 33:04 So important for everybody to remember this. 33:07 These are the fragments of TB for that have been isolated and shown 33:10 to be most beneficial for musculoskeletal skeletal healing. 33:14 And then we've got the hero formula, which you know 33:18 I think it's it's a formula that has been now copied by so many people 33:22 trying to do what you do, but you really came to market very strong 33:27 with this a few years ago and have changed so many people's outcomes. 33:30 And this is one where you've you've stacked the BPC 33:34 with the CFPB with the tide. 33:36 Then you added the GHQ. 33:38 Plus you're adding, you know, all these 33:41 other nutraceuticals to support gut feeling. 33:45 So let's go through each one of those formulas and just talk 33:48 a little bit about why you did what you did, who might get benefit from them. 33:53 And then the last one I think I'd really like to touch on 33:56 is the GHQ copper, because that's the other. 33:59 That's another peptide that's seen a lot of research, 34:02 most of it animal, granted, but it shows so much promise. 34:06 And actually we can touch on this too. 34:08 I saw a post on social media about GCHQ copper 34:12 and somebody in the comments saying, yeah, you know, it impacts over 4000 genes. 34:17 How do we know it's not going to cause cancer? 34:19 And I'm like, well, that's because the people that that showed that 34:23 it impacts the genes was a university. 34:25 And they actually showed that there's a little word in there 34:28 that it beneficially flipped genes on and off 34:32 to a more youthful setting, which is wildly interesting. 34:36 So let's start from the top. 34:37 Let's start with a shorter one first and then move down BPC and PE. 34:42 Let's talk about that very briefly and just help people to understand 34:46 what is the use case for a combination like this. 34:49 Yeah. 34:50 So we've got two iterations of BPC, 34:54 BBC regenerate and BPC double strength in that formula. 34:57 I combine it with P, and this is basically for people who just want 35:00 to try a BPC by itself, get all the effects from that. 35:03 It's kind of the Swiss Army knife, as I said earlier, of peptides, the 35:09 the diversity of mechanisms that it works upon 35:12 and the tissues in the body that it works upon are just so wide 35:16 and and it's so beneficial that I had to have it as a standalone. 35:20 It was the first product we had for people who've had an injury. 35:24 I don't combine it with snack in that formula 35:27 just so I don't create permeation issues, because a lot of people 35:30 take it for gut issues, and it's like a good entry point for 35:34 if you want to try a gut healing peptide, that is almost certainly 35:38 going to give you some benefit. 35:39 Maybe the benefit might be off stream. 35:42 You might have a niggling joint issue that resolves when you took it 35:45 for gut health, or your brain might start to function better. 35:48 You might have deeper sleep, for example. 35:50 That's why we have the BPC without the snack, 35:52 because we want to give you the full range of benefits from that one. 35:56 Then the second product I made after that one was it was like 36:00 I was just threw everything in it and they just went crazy. 36:05 I made that product specifically for a house made of mine 36:08 who had Crohn's disease, and that was a combination of every 36:11 one of the peptides that would work orally, that had studies to show 36:14 that they had effects for IBD and gut issues. 36:19 And that combination started out just being BPC and KBB. 36:23 And then I combined it with nutraceuticals like zinc, quercetin 36:26 and tributaries. 36:27 That one has sold so many bottles, and I'm so grateful to it 36:31 for being our hero product and help so many people with their gut issues. 36:35 But essentially La Raza Tide in that one is a zonal and antagonist. 36:39 While BPC works on the collagen networks, CBV as an anti-inflammatory. 36:44 And now recently, in the last sort of two years, we also added 36:48 GHQ copper because of its ability to, as you said, modulate so many genes. 36:53 One of the things that it helps doing, it helps do, is induces your body's 36:59 natural production of stem cells by that gene transcription and regulation. 37:03 So you got stem cells in your gut. 37:05 They're obviously a very good target for healing. 37:08 The gut would be to trigger 37:09 intestinal stem cell production, which is why we added that one to it. 37:12 And the other reason is we have a really good dose of zinc in that formula. 37:16 And the copper part of the GHQ balances are pretty nicely. 37:19 So people don't end up with mineral imbalances with their zinc 37:23 to copper ratios. 37:24 So that was gripper and then GHQ. 37:27 We also have as the liposomal so we can get it in circulation. 37:32 And it can be like an anti-aging a skin beneficial product. 37:36 It's the beauty peptide that's in skincare because it's small enough 37:39 to pass through the both the GI tract without the need for liposomes 37:44 if it was to survive, 37:45 but with the liposomes just ensures it does so you can get in. 37:49 Which I think we started. 37:51 I looked at studies on GHQ, and if you were to take GHQ 37:54 without a without a delayed release capsule, without any acidity 37:58 buffers and without a liposome, only about 10% of what you take absorbs. 38:03 So it's not zero, but it's certainly not ideal. 38:07 So by adding these layers of protection to GHQ and liposome, it 38:12 we speculatively think you're probably going to get about 50 to 60% of it absorb. 38:16 And then because we know you're losing 40%, 38:19 we just upped the dose about double what you'd what you'd want. 38:22 So if by the end of it you end up getting 50%, then 38:25 you actually do have the therapeutic dose that we're after. 38:28 So that's how we dose these things. 38:30 We look at how much is lost. 38:31 The same thing applies for the TB four as well. 38:33 And then we just double the dose or quadruple the dose if only 25% absorbs. 38:38 Just. 38:38 So we are delivering a therapeutic amount. 38:42 Next one to talk about is the CFPB. 38:44 I think I already touched on that pretty well, but that is a standalone one, 38:49 as is the liposomal AC fragment. 38:52 Just so you can get all the benefits of these. 38:54 Take take the AC fragments with the BPC and Wolverine. 38:58 Or you can just try it. 38:59 If you were to want to try every single oral peptide product, Wolverine 39:03 and GI repair have all of them basically. 39:06 And then if you wanted oral neuropeptides, 39:10 neuro regenerate is our brain formula, which has Cmax doesn't have ceiling, 39:15 it just has Cmax p21 and dehesa which is just like amazing modulated 39:21 not modulated Miracle-Gro inducing BT and F affecting neuropeptides.
Product Use Cases and Cycling Guidance 39:26 Beautiful. 39:26 So for the so for the neuropathy how often do you think people should use it. 39:30 Like is this like should you do you need to take it all. 39:33 And I want to talk about this for all of these, right? 39:35 I think that a big question that people have was, well, 39:39 how long should I use this for? 39:40 Should I can I take it all the time or should I use it some of the time? 39:44 I know what my standard answer is, but what's your answer? 39:48 And the neuropeptides, one that people might be tempted 39:51 to say, oh, I must take this always. 39:54 Yeah, definitely cycle them. 39:55 It's my always my advice to it. 39:57 And I would love as a business owner to say be on them all the time. 40:00 365 days of the week. 40:02 But as a reality and as someone who wants people 40:04 to get all the benefits and to do no harm, cycle them either 40:07 a five day on, two day off if you continuing sort of month on month, 40:12 or for every two weeks, two weeks on maybe like four days off sort of thing, 40:17 or like group is one that's got a lot of intricacy. 40:21 So when people ask, how long should I take this? 40:24 It's like, how long is a piece of string? 40:25 How bad is your gut dysbiosis or your gut, your leaky gut or your information? 40:30 So the longest 40:31 I would say someone could take that one with our break would be three months. 40:34 And then you'd want to definitely take 3 to 4 weeks off after that three months. 40:38 And just assess how you feel with the neuro regenerate that one induces 40:43 BDNF like exponentially more than lion's mane. 40:46 And I've forgotten the exact tagline for dissected 40:49 something like a miracle growth, miracle, miracle growth for the brain. 40:54 Yeah, there's some some tagline like it's a thousand times 40:57 more beneficial than endogenous BDNF 41:00 for inducing its release, or I've forgotten what it is. 41:05 I'm butchering it now. 41:05 But anyway, these ones when you induce BDNF, it's a very energetically expensive 41:11 thing for your body to utilize BDNF and to start neurogenesis 41:15 and synaptic genesis and even myelination as well. 41:18 It can induce all of these processes for the brain. 41:21 So giving it a break. 41:23 It's like working out seven days of the week is probably 41:25 not as beneficial as doing it for or five times. 41:27 And just I would always say treat the peptides like a workout for your body 41:31 because they are triggering all these signaling cascades. 41:34 They're binding to receptor sites that go on and elicit benefits way longer 41:39 than the peptide itself is able to stay intact in the body. 41:43 Anytime you're making you're using a peptide to drive a mechanism or a pathway 41:48 that comes at a cellular, energetic and resource expense that I don't think 41:53 is great to do every single day, twice a day without a break. 41:58 It's the same. 41:59 The same thing can be applied beyond just peptides. 42:02 Is everything in moderation, everything in the right dose, 42:05 and everything has an inverse U-shaped curve for the right dose. 42:09 So peptides as far as dosing and overdosing 42:13 have this very nice luxury of they have a very large therapeutic window. 42:18 Meaning if you were to take 100 times more BPC than your body needs, 42:22 you've just really wasted it. 42:24 Not you're not going to hurt yourself too much or at all. 42:27 Ld50 and all the toxicity studies on the naturally occurring peptides 42:32 not talking about the pharmaceutical modified ones, they've really struggled 42:36 to find any toxicities or any Ld50, 42:40 even on BBC and GHQ. 42:43 And that's because the liver doesn't process them. 42:46 They just are broken down in circulation. Most of them. 42:48 There's probably exceptions to that. 42:50 But BPC 42:50 for example, if that's in circulation just going to be broken down by hydrolase 42:54 enzymes, it's not going to burden the liver. 42:56 It's not going to cross reactive medications. 42:58 And and then once it's broken down there just free amino acids that just go. 43:02 Go on get utilized in, you know, as the same as an essential 43:06 amino acid, basically just a very expensive starting point. 43:09 So that's yeah, that's the end of that loop I guess. 43:13 Yeah. 43:13 Well, I mean, I think what I want to add, and especially with, well, 43:17 with any of these Lasso GHQ copper is a tough one because it, 43:23 you know, 43:23 the story around that one 43:24 is that our levels are much higher endogenously when we're young. 43:28 They go down as we age and so we don't repair as efficiently. 43:32 So, you know, the jury's still out on that one. 43:34 I'm still a big fan of, you know, 2 or 3 months, take a month off, come back again. 43:40 There are people who disagree with me and want to take it all the time. 43:43 That's fine. 43:43 You're going to want to get your copper 43:45 levels checked, as you mentioned earlier, and balance them out with some zinc. 43:48 But with the BP, like with the gut formula, you shouldn't need it 43:52 in perpetuity. 43:54 If you're also doing all the other work to heal your gut. 43:57 Like these are very powerful formulas, 44:00 but they're they're going to they're there to do the heavy lifting for you. 44:05 But at the same time, if you're not correcting the diet, 44:08 if you're not correcting the reason for the leaky gut in the first place, 44:11 you're just bailing out a leaky boat, right? 44:13 And with the musculoskeletal ones, if you're not addressing the biomechanics 44:17 and doing the rehab and doing all the things to 44:20 to address the reason for the musculoskeletal dysfunction 44:23 in the first place, again, you're kind of chasing your tail on that one. 44:27 The good news is 44:28 the peptides will help you to feel a lot better, 44:30 but they can't finish the job if you don't do your part. 44:33 Yeah, injury recovery peptides are a clear cut, obvious one. 44:37 If you've injured yourself walking or doing a sport, then take them. 44:41 Please accelerate that healing process. 44:42 But if you continue to do the thing that continues to injure you, 44:46 then the peptide isn't going to mitigate that lifestyle choice. 44:50 And unfortunately, with gut health, it's not as clear cut as I walk up the stairs 44:55 and then my knee or I jump, I do box jumps and then I end up with knee pain. 44:59 It's I ate this food. 45:01 I don't know which food 45:02 it was or I'm in this environment with this low level of mold. 45:05 I don't know which room it is, that sort of thing that is injuries 45:09 to the body that they need to stop for this issue to resolve entirely, 45:15 and throwing peptides at a problem whilst the trigger or the root 45:19 cause reason for the problem still exists, you're not going to be making inroads, 45:25 or you're just going to be throwing out at throwing the product or the peptide, or 45:30 the nutraceutical or whatever it is at it in perpetuity as a life jacket thing. 45:34 And I've been there living in mold GR repair, 45:37 I had unlimited amounts of it for healing my gut, 45:40 but the mold and the mycotoxin levels that I had was so high 45:44 that it was just stopping me from drowning slower. 45:48 Essentially, it was a it was a boy. 45:49 It was a life jacket that was helping me. 45:52 Definitely it was working, but it had its work cut out for it. 45:55 And the same thing applies to these peptides. 45:57 You really shouldn't need to be on anything long term 46:00 if you're doing all the foundational stuff. 46:02 But and the GOP one discussions are perfect. 46:05 One right? 46:06 Don't be on a GLP one for the rest of your life. 46:08 That's silly, but if you're highly overweight and obese and you need to lose, 46:11 you know, 30 to 50 pounds, 46:14 and please use them short term and then develop the lifestyle 46:17 and the diet and the, you know, fitness mindset to not ever need it again 46:21 after you've short putted and sped up that process. 46:25 Wolverine that that stuck again. 46:27 Like do the rehab, do the recovery and figure out why 46:30 you got the injury in the first place. 46:32 Maybe you've got too many seed oil in your diet, or you're not 46:35 having enough collagen rich meats, or you're not taking collagen or something 46:39 that led to weakness in the ligaments, in the tendons of your body. 46:44 And then, you know, once you're healing, 46:46 of course, use the peptide, but try not to put yourself in position. 46:49 Where you need 46:50 these tools all the time is the, you know, the short of this big waffled 46:54 response for sure and correct the movement imbalances as well. 46:58 Okay, last question before we go. 47:00 And this is a big one. 47:02 One of the big criticisms or fears around BPC 157 is its ability 47:07 to drive angiogenesis, which is one of the reasons why 47:12 it seems to help with tendon and ligament healing, which are tissues 47:17 in the connective tissues in the body 47:18 that are notoriously low in blood flow, which makes it harder to heal them. 47:23 And I'm not saying that oral VPCs necessarily going to fix your torn 47:27 Achilles, but the angiogenesis question keeps coming up over and over again. 47:31 What do you say to that? 47:34 I say it's not been proven. 47:36 It's a mechanistic speculation, as is mTOR. 47:40 You know, taking leucine or Hemby or something like that is, you know, 47:44 you can make the exact same argument around it driving cancer growth.
BPC Safety, Angiogenesis, and Closing Remarks 47:49 And to that, I would say if I had cancer that was utilizing and you could prove by 47:54 like a genetic testing on your cancer that it was utilizing angiogenesis 47:59 and most cancers do, I wouldn't be taking it, 48:02 nor would I be taking high dose because. 48:05 So it's not causative. 48:07 It's not going to create cancer in the body. 48:10 It doesn't push biological mechanisms beyond a set point. 48:14 It's not like taking exogenous testosterone. 48:17 It is upstream 48:18 of the downstream benefits, and it's just simply not going to be used. 48:23 It's going to be wasted in your body if you take too much of it. 48:25 And your body has modulatory mechanisms for these things like angiogenesis, 48:31 and it's not going to drive exorbitant amounts of angiogenic growth. 48:35 And it does trigger in injuries, VEGF and all these beneficial things. 48:40 And it's even like that histamine one that we're talking about with TV4. 48:43 Triggering those things in the short term is highly beneficial 48:47 for recovery and for, you know, getting getting back from injury. 48:51 But long term, 48:53 one of the reasons we recommend cycling it, frankly, is to mitigate 48:57 that potential concern, although I don't see it as a risk 49:00 and even to flip it as well, I'd imagine just mechanistically, 49:04 if you're looking at all of the ways that BPC can help prevent 49:09 cancer in its reduction of inflammation, which in my opinion, inflammation 49:14 supersedes angiogenesis 49:15 as a driver and a contributor to cancer progression or growth. 49:18 So by taking that ceiling, the gut reducing LPs and then just helping 49:23 reduce inflammation, I would I would not speculate. 49:26 I'll definitively say it's going to do more for prevention 49:29 than it would for causation of cancer. 49:32 Yeah. 49:33 And we're not saying you should use BPC to prevent cancer, just to be clear. 49:37 And also just I just want to highlight what what Kyle 49:41 said, which is if you have active cancer, this is not the time. 49:44 There's other things you can use, not even from the peptide. 49:47 I mean, there are peptides in the peptide world. 49:49 That's a separate discussion. 49:50 But these are not compounds you want to be using while you're dealing. 49:54 You've got bigger fish to fry. Let's just put it that way 49:58 okay Kyle, it's near and dear to my heart. 50:00 If you have cancer, I'm not talking about it. 50:01 I'll just drop some names PNC 27, thymus and Alpha one. 50:05 I look at those two as your starting points for peptides for the BBC. 50:09 Yeah. 50:09 And find yourself a practitioner who knows about these things 50:11 that can integrate, who can integrate them into your program. 50:15 All right, Kyle, I think we're going to close it off here 50:18 because you and I are notorious for going really long time. 50:21 But thank you for those breakdowns. 50:23 I think that was really helpful. 50:24 Can you please tell people where they can find you and get their hands on these? 50:28 Great. 50:29 And I also want to say, folks, it's level up. 50:31 Health is not just about the peptides. 50:33 There are other incredible formulas that Kyle has put together 50:37 for almost any number of things. 50:39 Personally, I live on. 50:40 As matter of fact, I think I have my own formula of Knox 50:44 file, which is on the shelf at level of health. 50:46 So lots of other things there. 50:48 But on the peptide side, I think we covered the big hitters here. 50:50 So thank you so much and let people know. 50:53 Please let people know where they can find you and find these products. 50:58 Yeah. 50:59 Well social media is a trickier one. 51:00 So just go straight to the website level. 51:02 Uphold com level without the ease lvl up health. 51:08 And we have level up labs as well. 51:09 But level up is the primary place. 51:12 Jump on the email list. 51:13 That's where we basically share all of our stuff. 51:15 Now considering that's not censored unlike everywhere else on social media. 51:20 Yeah. Tricky times. 51:21 Unfortunately, in the peptide space, 51:23 there's a lot of pushback from Big Pharma and the powers that be at peptides 51:27 at the moment. 51:27 So pretty tricky to find good 51:29 reliable information about peptides on social media now. 51:32 And it seems the ones who put out the worst content are 51:35 the ones not getting banned. Just saying. 51:37 Yeah, it's a little off, I know, and I believe there's 51:41 you have a code for this summit. 51:42 I think it's doctor talks. Right. 51:44 Doctor talks would be the code for the summit miners. 51:49 Yeah. Doctor talks okay. 51:51 Thank you so much Kyle. 51:52 This is amazing as always. 51:53 And folks definitely sign up for that newsletter 51:56 because that's where you're going 51:57 to get all the knowledge dropped into your inbox on a regular basis. 52:01 Thanks, Kyle. Thanks. Thanks, everyone.
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