Unpack Dr. Jess’s famous “Kill, Bind, Sweat” protocol

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Hey everybody. Welcome back to another exciting interview today. We have Dr. Jessica Peatros and she’s known as Dr. Jess, everybody in the world knows who Dr. Jess is. She has an amazing background which she’s gonna dive into in a few minutes and unpack for us, but mostly, you know, I’ve never met anybody that had kind of the same undergraduate background that I did. I had a dual major and she majored in psych bio just like me. And then of course, she went off to do some amazing things in internal medicine. She’s a functional, integrated medical practitioner. And now she’s got an amazing platform and online presence, which she’ll tell us all about a little later on in our interview. 

But what I found really fascinating is just her worldly experience working with infectious disease with the Lyme community in her travels. And she’s really gotten down to understanding the root cause. And I think that that is so important for people to truly understand in order for us, for you to get better from line, but she treats the whole body, which is really amazing to me because I think that you really can’t heal completely unless you manage the emotional side of the trauma that your body has gone through as you’re coming through recovery, coming out the other end of the tunnel. 

So Dr. Jess, aside from, you know, your reputation proceeding you, give us a little backdrop on some of the things that you did, how you got interested in let’s say Lyme infectious disease and dealing with chronic challenges, chronically ill challenges, patients, because that’s not the average doctor. That’s not the path of least resistance you, you actually took on the challenge that most allopathic practitioners, at least out of med school, they kind of look the other way on that stuff. They want to kind of go down the road either by doing clinical stuff, being in the hospital, running that practice, but you took a whole other other road and we’re so interested to find out. So spend a couple of minutes and just give us a little backdrop would.

Jessica Peatross, M.D.

Sure. So thanks for having me first off Robby. I’m really glad to be here. Glad to help everyone understand their bodies better if I can. So my story starts, gosh, I’m gonna date myself. But back in medical school, I graduated medical school in 2006 and residency in 2009 and don’t be fooled, I didn’t always have this perspective. I was a hospitalist for almost seven years, before I really started to be disruptive within that system. Really speak out against the dietary recommendations, the hospital provided the patients, especially really ill patients like cancer patients. 

I really got upset at discharging patients with upwards of 40 and 50 medications, sometimes the patients were eight years old. Like how were they supposed to know what all these different synthetic medications were doing in their body? But I was labeled, you know, a crack in the system, a squeaky wheel, which isn’t good if you’re in a corporate system unfortunately. It may be good in family dynamics or other places, but not in a corporation because you are really a cog in a wheel, right? And so they finally sent me down and they sat and he listened. If you, you know, politely can’t shut your mouth then you can’t work for us anymore, is basically what they said in not so many words. And I really said I quit at that point. I couldn’t, it was, you know, at that point in time, I was training already in Gerson therapy and really they had ripped the blinders off my eyes and I was like, whoa, what’s in our tap water? Whoa, why would the government let Teflon be legal then? I had all these questions that were basically rhetorical that no one could answer for me. 

And I started thinking all about all the different PVC piping and things that are used in hospital systems. And I thought, gosh, you know not all the time is the medication good for you in the short term and good for you in the longterm? And so it was this slow kind of burn for me to finally feel my heart strings tugged enough when I had enough education to start speaking out. And I knew it was only a matter of time that I can work in the hospital system before I would literally implode, I had to find a different route. And so I knew it was going to switch careers because of that once I figured out the truth and that was really painful. Like if I had known what I know now I probably would’ve planed a little bit better because I moved out to California after a really painful divorce or Portland, Oregon, and then California. And you know, my last hospital’s gig was in Portland, Oregon. By the time I moved to California, I was shadowing a natural path two or three days a week, and then driving to Whitaker Wellness and working there where Julian Whitaker, Dr. Julian Whitaker became one of my mentors. 

And so, you know, a lot of the doctors there as well learned a ton during the time and Dr. Clement Lee, the naturopath that I shadowed taught me a lot as well. And so, you know, that was, but I didn’t have any money on me, I didn’t have any money I had to kind of learn. And so it’s been an education for me because I was taught in medical school to not treat the whole body. I had to decide which part of the body I liked the best, because that was gonna be your specialty. That’s really how it feels. And so I chose internal medicine because you can do cardiology, rheumatology or nephrology all of that specialty. 

So I didn’t feel kind of boxed in, but what that taught me in the hospital, and then what I learned in functional training was that the hospitals still separated things into groups of organ systems and specialists that didn’t work together. And it was never the best for the patient. In fact, sometimes it elicit a chart wars among the specialists. And so for me, when I went to shadow a natural path, when I worked at Whitaker Wellness, I saw the whole body was treated and I’ll never forget a patient who had insomnia and palpitations. They kept treating his thyroid and I couldn’t figure out what it was cause it was early on early days and he had Lyme and I thought, oh my gosh, you know, I worked with Dr. Mark Holliday there and he was doing mold and just getting into mold and lyme and water damaged buildings. And I thought, you know, that patient ended up going over to him because he was more the expert then. And I thought, oh my gosh, I need to, even though I’m doing functional medicine, this is a root cause. Like, how do I get to the, how do I get to the root cause? So that all these patients that seem like mystery patients, I can actually help them and change their lives. So that’s my story.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Wow, amazing. So, then, you know, you kind of took a sidestep from the traditional way and you know, like what you described as what a lot of Lyme patients that are listening today, actually kind of really zero in on. because I, for me speaking personally, our daughter that contracted chronic Lyme when she was in her teens, by the time we were two or three years in, she had a team of doctors and none of them talked to one another. Her lead doctor was Dr. Joe Burrascano, he was in New York. Then we had a corresponding doctor down in Florida where we lived, and then she had a neurologist, then she had a pain doctor and none of them were talking to one another, they’re all prescribing meds. And it became kind of a really dangerous road. 

I was acting as her nurse with my background, so that we avoided a little bit of the daycare changing dressing. She had a PICC line, she had all that kind of stuff going on. And, I think that it gets complicated real fast because Lyme is complicated and the body is complicated, but I really love what you said about even your walkthrough, because you got an opportunity to see one side and choose consciously that this, you didn’t want to kind of compartmentalize. You wanted to treat the whole body. And that’s what we are a bunch of different systems that talk to one another. And once you start to break them out, then they’re not talking to one another, you can fix one side, but if the other side isn’t, isn’t responding, then the body truly doesn’t heal what I call a primal healing platform. And I think we’re both on the same page there. So by the way, I did notice when something you wrote about, I was also a student of Gerson, the Gerson theories. And so I didn’t realize that you had actually to the road of getting credentialed, had done all that stuff. And when I picked up his book and I read all of this stuff, I thought, oh my God, this guy has it going on. 

But mostly he got shunned by the medical community because he actually had some, was showing some real results. And there oftentimes the proper methods that are employed aren’t necessarily the most economic ones. And there’s a big economic underpinning behind some of the approaches that the Western approach to medicine has taken. And so you start to wonder about the motives and all that stuff, right? So let’s dive into Lyme a little bit. You mentioned something about a sick building syndrome. And I find that interesting because because most people don’t kind of look at it that way. And, it truly is a syndrome because it does start to pile up real quick. So could you just spend a minute and describe to everybody viewing what, what that means about your definition?

Jessica Peatross, M.D.

Well, first and foremost, I don’t want to scare anyone, with these stats because they are, you know when you first hear them, they are staggering. And you know, it can kind of take you aback a little bit, because I want to say just first and foremost, yes, the stats are staggering, but the people who your body is so intelligent, people who are listening, probably most of you guys, who’ve been diagnosed with Lyme or have trouble with mold or water damaged buildings you can smell it as soon as you walk in there, you can literally, like, I call you guys Canarian coal mines because you warn the rest of the population that doesn’t know what’s still bad for them. And it still is bad for them. They just can’t tell, it’s just buried in their bodies differently. 

So first and foremost, your body’s so intelligent that it’s warning you, it’s a defense mechanism upfront. So please look at that as a positive for you. Secondly, water damaged buildings, there’s a lot of them. So we think current water damaged buildings, 43% of buildings, according to one study, there’s about 87% that had previous water damage. So those are pretty, you know, the staggering stats I was talking about. So it’s really hard to find a water damage term or excuse me, a home isn’t water damaged. And then for people out there, we think about approximately 20 to 25%, have a certain genotype, which makes them more susceptible to things that are produced in water, damaged homes, things like volatile, organic compounds that don’t just come from mold, but can come from the adhesives and different types of toxic building products in new building construction and homes. 

Also, you know, mold isn’t the only thing that goes into water damaged homes. A lot of Dr. Ritchie shoemaker’s work has shown us that, you know, my studies, is another gram-positive bacteria. And actually, are you surprised not gram-negative? So a lot of these produce endotoxins, which make us sick. This is a gram-positive bacteria, which is surprising, and they kind of act in between a fungus and a bacteria can really make people sick as well. And this one has been missed. So this leads me to believe that the, that the way we’re building the homes, the modern construction practices are really responsible for attracting some of these molds that eat at the cellulose in things like drywall or gypsum. And so really it’s our modern building day practices that are getting us in trouble here in my opinion, you know, nature intends for there to be airflow. 

That’s how that keeps mold in, check in nature with these air tight energy efficient homes. What are we doing here, and there was no, stacking it full of these toxic building products. It’s like a toxic hotbox we are in. So we really have to consider, you know, should we build our house exposed to the elements, should that wood be rained on, should we be building our homes in a, in a warehouse somewhere away from these elements with less toxic products and adhesives and paints and carpets, because some people’s bodies are appropriately reacting to these practices, which are not inherent in nature.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

You know, what came to mind was this whole new, you know, sort of building biologists that are called now, right? And they go in and really they were focusing initially was electromagnetic fields and different kinds of energies that also are creating another stressor that affects everybody. I never really considered like just the, how the new homes are being built, but in, if we just look at electromagnetic fields, the two agencies, the government agencies that control the dialogue, what frequencies are able to be used in wireless devices is the FTC, the trade commission and the FCC, the communication commission. 

How many health-minded people actually sit on that committee that actually looks at the ramifications health ramifications. So it mirrors the construction industry. There’s nobody in the construction industry that says what kind of materials to use and how they work in conjunction with overall health, forget like genetic proclivities and you know the epigenetics that play into people’s health these days. Right? So now you bring a live patient into the room and you know, of course, while I’m sure you’ve seen this in clinic, you get a line patient that’s, you know, functioning fine. And then they, somehow, they dive into a mold environment and they go from functioning to non-functioning almost overnight.

Jessica Peatross, M.D.

Like a bomb went off.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Right.

Jessica Peatross, M.D.

Yes.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Yeah, it’s really troublesome. And it’s why I love talking to you on many levels, but you’ve really kind of figured it out how an unwind that, but it starts with today, making people aware of the things to consider. Used to be like, when I was searching for a home don’t buy a home that’s under a high power electric circuit board, you know, like one of those big cables, right? That’s all the, because there were some children that were being born, not so healthy, and they would start trying to tie those fields, the electric fields to that. 

Now we’ve advanced to all these other things, because, you know, we’ve got exploding cell phone, wireless, everything, right? Bluetooth wireless everything, electric cars now, are the next thing. And so these batteries are throwing off lots of fields. And I think what it’s doing is it’s actually kind of turning on, turning off certain people’s switches to their good health switches and turning on some of the genetic recessive proclivities that they may have been holding down that they may never experienced in their life, other than today’s world that we’re living in.

Jessica Peatross, M.D.

Yeah and I have to say even like, you know, this early studies show that the bacteria change their, their growth patterns and how aggressive they are in the Petri dish based on the, on the 2.4 gigahertz, I guess you can see, right. Which is what our our WiFi routers are. And, you know, really mold as well. Some of those studies have shown that it increases growth as well. So really we’re made of bacteria, right? We are but they’re the great decomposers, they’re there to clean up toxins in my opinion. So, what are these frequencies doing really to our bodies? You know, we’re just not cracking the surface of that. And I encourage people out there, if you think you’re sensitive to these, this electrostatic smog that Robby and I are talking about, or, you know, just frequencies in general, there’s a place in West Virginia. And I know this because I’m from West Virginia and it’s called Green Bank, and you can go there. And I think it’s probably a 20, 25 mile radius where it is a radio free zone. 

It is not allowed to have any sort of anything with WiFi there at all. If you have it, the cops will come and tell you to turn it off. They can, they actually have a cops and police station that search for that, because there’s a giant satellite there that communicates with space all the time. It can’t have anything, has to be a radio free zone. So there are a lot of people, I think, upwards of 30, 40 people who had EMFs and the hypersensitivity that moved there and it healed. So let’s just going to try it out because if you have or are having trouble healing and that’s on your radar it may be worth the trip.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Right, and there’s easier ways to, you know, like that’s a big move. And there are a lot of other communities now that are actually talking about building places like that, that it’s just, you know, free it’s their green zones and their sustainable living areas. And so this I believe is going to be more popular coming, moving forward, but you can come down to south Florida. So it’s kind of easy for me to kick my shoes off and ground myself to the earth, or I ride bike that’s my thing. I’ve put on about eight to 10 miles a day. 

So I try to really commune with nature I’m down kind of in the tropics, or just walk on the beach. And you can sense if you are someone who is hypersensitive to electromagnetic fields and or is there not really in touch with nature too much. Just take a walk in the park, kick your shoes off, which may not be that practical, it being winter in the colder parts of the country now, but when, as soon as it goes, you know, the weather comes back. Just try that as an exercise, just to see how your body responds. And generally better, night’s sleep a little more focused, like things that the way we used to be, you know, started coming back. Dr. Klinghardt did a study where he actually did a blood study, and he studied the rural, population of about a hundred people in the rural areas, in a population of a hundred in the, in the urban areas. So the Pacific Northwest and what he was testing for was the level of micro-toxins in the blood of the two different populations. 

So basically the same area, they’re breathing the same air, they’re eating the same food and they’re drinking, basically the same water. So the real significant difference was the concentration of cell towers and the byproducts, the micro-organisms, the micro-toxins, the neuro-toxins were 80 times more intense or more concentrated in the bloods of the people from the urban areas. So right there, you can see that these Zogenix frequencies they actually energize the bugs, the bugs are doing what they normally do. They replicate, they use your body resources and they poop. And so you can measure.

Jessica Peatross, M.D.

Excuse me, I’m sorry. I would even argue that, you know, how do we know it’s just the EMF, it could be the toxic load in the urban areas, adding to it too.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Totally.

Jessica Peatross, M.D.

In my opinion, now I almost think, you know, bacteria being the date great decomposers, mold is where antibiotics come from, like penicillin. And that’s because it stopped bacterial growth in the Petri dish when it was discovered. And so it’s all this grand ecosystem that’s supposed to be in nature, but we messed it up with a toxic load, EMF, all this stuff, right. So if you’re in the heart of it, in suburbia, right in the middle of, or, you know, right in the middle of the inner downtown, you’re exposed to so many things that are unnatural in general.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Right, I know it’s pretty amazing. I’m often hearing in our own clinic and health coaching stuff that we do, like the enemy Lyme is the enemy. The co-infections are the enemy. And the more modern views that I’m sort of getting in. A lot of it’s coming out in the interviews through the summit is talking about the terrain and rebalancing the terrain and that, and the harmony that all these organisms like viruses and so forth that have lived in our bodies for thousands of years, right? So are they really the enemy? And you just kind of said it in a small way, because parasites and a lot of the bacterias are important for us to predigest food, it’s all part of our processes. 

And so, are they really the enemy? It’s interesting topic because I know a lot of Lyme patients are so frustrated and they like to just tag one thing, but even the whole process of recovery is kind of shifting it from being the enemy to understanding that we all live in harmony, both the external environment and the microbiome that’s going on inside of us. So I’m excited to know more as we, as we dive in deeper, anyway.

Jessica Peatross, M.D.

Do you think governments even do that with different populations in different countries, right. They make them the enemy and that we have things like war and terror, other than seeing how we could all live in harmony, which I think is exactly what you’re saying with the micro chasm of the macrocosm.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Right, exactly. So, oftentimes people talk about, I’ll use a term called cytokine. Cytokine storm is usually what people talk about. I find it very appropriate when you’d have that Lyme mold combination because of the activity that’s going on in your brain. But I think that the people tuning in might want to hear your definition on how you describe it. Like as far as what is really going on inside their bodies. Because I think that oftentimes these medical terms are used and referenced, but it’s confusing to Lyme patient that probably is a little impaired anyway, in the way that they’re thinking, just because of being overwhelmed with a symptom of sort. So how do you describe a cytokine storm?

Jessica Peatross, M.D.

Yeah. Cytokine storm is that in all these, this is a phrase that’s become pretty popular in the last couple of years because of the COVID 19 virus as far as . And, you know, that’s very similar to what happens in biotoxin illness, or, you know, the heading of mold Lyme and sick building syndrome in general, really, you guys are the OGs of cytokine storms, unfortunately. So you know what that feels like you just haven’t gotten the popularity that COVID-19 has gotten. And really that means that one side of the immune system is signaling that there’s a problem. And the other side doesn’t see the problem very well. You guys don’t even need to understand the nitty gritty scientific details of it, but cytokines the definition of them, that they are chemical communicators. 

They really are there to say, hey, do you see this problem over here, we’re holding up this sign and we’re signaling to set off the inflammation cascade, which is another signal that there’s a warning going on within the body. And so your body is seeing something as a foreign intruder and setting off that alarm and trying to communicate. The problem is based on your other toxic load, that you might have, your other frenemies and your toxin bucket, what stress or emotional trauma you might be going through at that time, as well as genetic predispositions, that may be harder for you and your body to overcome, because it doesn’t see the problem. It doesn’t see it properly. And when the body doesn’t see something properly, once one system spinning out the other, one’s going, who the heck am I, where the heck am I? Then the body is out of homeostasis or out of balance. 

And it’s, if you can look at nature and see how, when nature is out of balance, it causes problems. It’s spiraling in all other areas. Our body is very similar. If one is overactive and another is underactive that’s when something like auto-immunity is diagnosed. That’s just one example. Cancer is another one on the other side of things. And so that’s an imbalance, it’s almost like a scale. It has to be right here all the time, the body’s really good at that, unless it becomes overwhelmed and that bucket’s overflowing. And then it’s just kind of in a danger mode all the time and that threatened this pushed that flight or fight button is pushed all the time. And so many of you guys may feel like that.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Right? And then that affects another area that people also talk about, which is sort of the mitochondria, how the mitochondria has kind of two functions, but when it’s in the, it’s in the fight mode, in a way when the body is having trouble creating that balance, then a part of the mitochondria that would normally be, or the energy that’s being focused towards normal body function. I mean, now is deployed in trying to get the lymphatic system and your detox pathways and your immune system mostly strong enough so that you can sort of settled that down and get into that balanced state or homeostatic status like you say. 

So, and people, the auto-immune piece is also interesting to me, because as it applies to Lyme, we’ve got this unique multi-layer system, immune system that goes after invaders. Sometimes the invaders like lyme, they cloak, right? So they can’t, they become invisible sometimes like Lyme and the confections. They actually dive deep. It either change into assist state where they’re much more protected from our own immune system beyond to help. But sometimes, and very often they dive into the cell, they dive into the tissue, right? And then now we’ve got our immune system. That’s trying to chase after these guys and they’re inside our cell. So the immune system starts to attack itself in its way to try to go after the invader, which is kind of an interesting concept because many people don’t really understand the interplay in how an auto immune disease or challenge could start to develop and it could be something as simple as that.

Jessica Peatross, M.D.

We actually think it is pleomorphism that Lyme shows that you’re talking about working from different shapes. We actually think a lot of different bacteria may be able to do that. They’re really smart they’re as old as we are. Like, they’re not bad at their jobs you guys, come on. They’re really good at their jobs at hiding, innovating, and maybe they’re there for toxin cleanup, right? Maybe we have some sort of toxin in us, that’s calling them in and attracting them. So how do we detox our body enough to where our body can say, oh yeah, I can turn that part of myself back on and work properly and fix this a little bit more ’cause it was stuck.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Yeah. Well, often times I kind of think like maybe we like our GPS, our guidance system got turned off and it, you know, if you’re, if you’re a weekend warrior workout advocate, you hear the term muscle memory. The body and the cells have that same memory in it. And unfortunately I think when we develop chronic challenges, some of those memories are kind of those switches, those light switches are turned off temporarily, while it’s busy trying to take care of what it considers the emergency at that moment. So what I think is really interesting is because you can turn those switches back on is kinda not as easily, but there’s a process. 

And that’s where I want to kind of talk about something that you’ve coined called Kill Bind Sweat, which I absolutely love because it, in those three words, it says it all. So first off, how’d you come up with it? And secondly, please tell everybody what it is because it’s such an important area for Lyme patients, really everybody in today’s world to be cognizant of the environment and how it affects us and also what we can do about it, and it doesn’t have to cost a ton of money. These are things that you can actually do every day to shift with the foods that you eat and different kinds of lifestyle choices that we, that we make. So what is Killed Bind Sweat?

Jessica Peatross, M.D.

So it sounds like I’m sort of an SCNM talker from that name. It sounds, it’s very catchy and sexy sounding I know. But it sort of caught on a line by accident. I just hashtaged that on my stories and people really loved it because you said it, you know, everyone can do it. It’s pretty practical. People can understand it with a name like that once you tell them what it’s about. And it’s really available to everyone and I think that’s why it caught on and sort of went viral on its own, without much help was for those reasons. And so what is it? Kill Bind Sweat is, kill means really you want to take some sort of herbal antimicrobial like obviously you’re on the side of holistic thing of holistic things. 

So that’s my choice. You know, take a binder, hopefully 20, 30 minutes afterwards, I have off cause, my favorite binders, but I look for something that crosses out of the gut and will work systemically in the fat and things like that, where a lot of toxins hide and then climb in the sauna. If you don’t have a sauna, maybe start saving for one, I make that a priority for a holiday or a birthday, but you can also do it in a hot Epsom salt bath. You can even deep drink ginger tea before the sauna or before the bath to really get yourself sweating because there’s so many people that tell me they have problems sweating, or they don’t like to sweat. And although it may seem super, super glamorous to just listen. It’s really important that you sweat when appropriate, because sweating isn’t just to cool you off. 

It actually releases toxins from the body too. It helps turn on and recharge our mitochondria, which we talked a little bit about how it’s important for the immune system that your mitochondria work and for your energy, for your mitochondria to work. So there’s so many benefits from the sauna, just another chance for misfolded proteins to unfold and refold properly, which code for proper genes. And so this is, there’s so many benefits from Sauna and what I’ve noticed for people who have trouble sweating or turning on their mitochondria is that binders are sort of like this secret message to your body, “that, hey, we’re doing the damn thing, we’re getting in the sauna and we’re gonna sweat.” And what we do naturally is pull things out and mock them up with, with a binder. And so the binder is actually removing toxins more readily from the body so the body kind of wakes up quicker and says, “Hey, we’re detoxing, okay, I understand.” So over time, people who are difficult sweaters will be able to sweat more easily with this Kill Bind Sweat formula. And oftentimes with people that are really sensitive Robby, I will leave out the Kill part of it and just start them on a Bind Sweat to sort of get their terrain more acclimated before we throw in something that’s gonna be sort of like a, maybe like an antibiotic naturally for them. So we want to be careful.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

You know, I’ve found, and this is just from our flow. That for some reason, women always articulate that they have challenges sweating more than guys. Maybe it’s a manly thing, cause we’re out there hunting and whatever we’re doing, you know? And so sweating just a part of our, you know, like our normal deal. But the number one reason that we discovered that people have trouble sweating is because they’re not properly hydrated. And then when I bring that up, they say, well, but I drink so much water Robby I could be a fish. And I think that the water that people are drinking now isn’t structured, it isn’t properly balanced. There aren’t the right electrolytes. There aren’t the right different minerals that we need. It’s not how nature intended water to be. Coming in a plastic bottle, that’s been sitting on a shelf for nine months getting all those PCVs and yeah.

Jessica Peatross, M.D.

infertility water. That’s what I call it, if you want people to stop drinking, it just be like, oh, you’re drinking infertility water. They will stop really fast. But I joke, I joke, but it’s very serious. I’m not kidding that stuff in the , it will absolutely mess up your hormones. Sorry.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

No, no, no. It’s good to know. Even tap water, municipal waters have fluorides in it, which mess up, you know like and chlorine. And now they’re just, they’re finding that there’s trace amounts of pharmaceutical in our water systems. And so you kind of can’t trust any of that. You have to kind of take it upon yourself. These are the primal things, and so in getting them, getting people ready or primed for sweating, hydration is kind of a key when in part of what we do with our sauna protocol is to just have people drink 10 ounces of water before, no matter how much water they’re drinking and hopefully it’s filtered and structured and all that stuff, but it does help promote the sweating. 

And then after your sauna session, we also ask for another eight to 10 ounces of water. And that’s mostly to lower the toxic burden because if in an infrared sauna setting, we’re really stirring up and mobilizing your toxins. The more easily available ones are the ones in your fat. And they come out, you know, but then the ones that are deeper, like the heavy metals or the bio-films, those small silt I call it. And that’s where the binder comes in. So you mentioned binder and I don’t want to get like in the gutter on this topic, but you know, with, with the title, but people out there don’t know what binder are, it’s amazing to me that they don’t even kind of get the, like the, whatever the top headlines. So what’s a binder, like give me examples, give me some examples of binders.

Jessica Peatross, M.D.

It’s a great question, you know, when you use it with Kill Buying Sweat, it sounds like it means something else. But here a binder, you guys is a toxin binder and they can perform, they all have different efficiencies or how well they work. They kind of are specialists in binding different things, depending on what you’re going with. The ones you guys will have been like, oh yeah, I used that when I was like hung over or something’s probably activated charcoal everyone’s heard of that one. That one stays mainly in the gut. It doesn’t go other places so that one I use only if that’s the only thing I can get. 

My favorite ones that everyone may have heard of too is are bentonite and zeolite like clays. These are great, you just have to be careful of the source because they do come from the soil. So they pick up things that the soil can have in it as well, which can be good or bad. I really like bioactive carbon binders as well. These use not only long and short chain carbons, but they’re usually balanced with something like full vicar, humic acid, which work is a mild binder. And they also help to turn on specific anti-cancer, anti-tumor detox pathways within our genes. And so that helps the body acclimate and return to homeostasis and fight better on its own, which I always prefer rather than forcing things. And so you guys can look up, there’s now information available about which toxin binders are the best at finding what things. And it’s really useful, especially if you know what you’re dealing with chronically.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

So we’ll just start somewhere and I’m your patient now. And I’m kind of symptomatic, but I’m functioning. So would you start me a combination of, let’s say a carbon and a zeolite, or just start with, let’s say the big sponge, which would be the clay, or the charcoal to start with, and then sort of ease me into taking the binders that go after metals and chemicals and so forth.

Jessica Peatross, M.D.

Yeah, for sure there’s different phases to how that works. And if a person comes in and is pretty overwritten with a toxin burden they’re, I can tell their drainage or detox pathways are pretty stagnant or shut down. I am careful giving someone even a binder, even just something basic out the gate, because I really want to optimize their terrain first, which means if their bodily functions are all shut down. I really, you know, if you can’t sweat, I probably shouldn’t be giving you a binder right off the bat. If you can’t poop, guys big red flag, like binders can sometimes bind people up more and bulk up stools solidify stools more, which is great if you’ve list , but not so much, if you can’t get stools out already. So that will make you not want to be friends with me and we won’t talk anymore. So I have to make sure your terrain is optimized with things like that. 

You know, that you can like think properly, you can keep a schedule properly, your energies okay. Your bowel movement, your liver functions, okay. And I have specific questions and ways I screen these things. You know, but really once the person is a little functioning that way on their drainage pathways, then also in usually something I usually will go something with fulvic and humic and maybe a zeolite as well. Because the zeolites, if you’ll look at the charts, they have a wide range of being able to bind a number of different things. And so I prefer something like that. It’s to start people out with something that does get out of the gut and each person’s different. Each person has things you have to watch out for too. So I go by individually with you as well.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

The individual, how original, you know, I want to kind of flip it a little bit because this always irks me from my side. Or maybe even you can appreciate this from your experience, but a lot of Lyme literate doctors, I don’t know if it’s necessarily an ego thing. And I’m glad that people are listening closely to this because often times they just set, you have Lyme disease, you got diagnosed and they just set you onto a protocol and they don’t consider that if they’re effective in the protocol, it’s going to create another toxic event. And if you’re already coming in and you’re expressing through the way you’re symptomatic how you are symptomatic that some of those detox pathways are kind of shut down. Just like you just said, if you’re not peeing, you’re not pooping. If you’re not moving around so your lymphatic system isn’t moving then and now we’re doing a line protocol to go after potentially a root cause. It’s not going to make you feel any better.

Jessica Peatross, M.D.

You’re not gonna talk to me anymore, you’re not gonna talk to me anymore.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Yeah. We want to be, we want to be friendly, right?

Jessica Peatross, M.D.

It’s just the right way to do things sometimes.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Sure. So what we are talking about now is that the order that you do things in and possibly the way that you dose, what you do as you go along your journey can make all the difference between you having an okay result, having a horrible result or having like a really knock the leather off the ball, kind of result.

Jessica Peatross, M.D.

You know, each person is so different, they’re all gonna have you to go. You know, you have to be really diligent and trust that they’re not living in a damaged home that they don’t have a constant exposure while you’re treating them all the time, right? You have to make sure you check for trauma that needs to be worked on. You have to make sure they don’t have root canals or breast implants. Those are the big reasons. Or they’re always stuck in fight or flight because of their, their thinking or their lifestyle choices every day. Because you ultimately can’t go say nine to five with them or live with them to see. So you really have to be kind of like Sherlock Holmes to see because these roadblocks exist in each person and they’re all different.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

And you in your own practice, the way you set up now, people can get to you virtually, I want to talk in a few minutes about your platform because it’s incredible. But just that, like we think about the up these days. It’s wonderful because you can touch so many people all over the world right? But in the same sense, they’re not right in front of you. So you don’t have the same. You’ve had to create a series of questions and ways to find the same information out that you would as if someone was standing right in front of you and that’s art form just in itself. So my hat is off to you in creating this kind of a way that almost anybody from any place can get ahold of you. And let’s talk about that. What is your platform? Talk about that for a minute and how you got to that.

Jessica Peatross, M.D.

Sure, so, you know, way back, it feels like a lifetime ago, I was seeing patients one-on-one through a clinic in San Diego and I just felt like, you know, this patient population has, it feels like to them, there are so many things wrong and they don’t know if they’re ever going to heal that a lot of them have medical PTSD. And it’s really heartbreaking. And it’s really emotionally taxing too, because really I’ve cried with 40% of my patients, maybe. So I had to figure out a way to broadcast my message and you know, really put the pillars and the foundation down that I tell every single person, because I believe it’s not that difficult to understand your own body. 

We’ve just really been misguided and misinformed. It’s really not difficult to be your own best healer, and advisor, and doctor, but you, you can’t do it if you’re misinformed. And so you have to have someone sort of be a guide to help you out. But once you get that perspective, once you get that down and understand what the warning signs in your body don’t mean, anything’s broken, it means your body’s like, Hey, pay attention over here. If you don’t listen, it’ll get louder. So if there’s that perspective, rather than a fear-based perspective, people can learn and they can learn how to heal. And that was my whole goal in creating WellnessPlus, and I still wanted people to be able to reach me if they had a hangup or roadblock or really frustrated because that happens a lot. And I can’t standardize and put a protocol to everything because everyone’s so different. So how do I still help people right? Well, WellnessPlus is a website app it’s app.dr.jessmd.com. And we try to make it super affordable for everyone. And we’re still talking about ways to do that as well. 

We’re always brainstorming about how to make it better, but we want to make it the holistic version of WebMD. So we have professionally filmed courses. I do my monthly webinars. I answer questions on a community forum like a Facebook forum. I have two other doctors helping me on there. We do recalls quickly that you guys write in and ask us the reason chronic preventable diseases exist and how to help them holistically. So it’s a plethora of information. And really I did this to try and teach people the perspective and my mindset and how I’ve helped to reverse chronic preventable disease and things like Lyme disease, sick building syndrome for people with these methods and these protocols that they are intelligent enough to learn it and understand.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Well, besides creating the platform and sort of easy access. First off, I’ve been following you for ages. And I learn so much just from the questions that the community is asking and the way you’re answering that makes me feel more at ease, that’s the first part. Secondly, like you’ve created again, another platform where anybody can come from anywhere at any time zone and lock in, and you’ve made a lot of information very available. It’s not like you have to hunt for it. And, you’ve also made it pretty affordable. So I think all that really makes it creates a really great environment, particularly today’s world. And then I love the way you talk about like the inner doctor inside of you, like be your own best doctor. 

Really what you’re looking for me to do is team up with you. Like, you’re the practitioner you’re going to give me kind of the tools, but I’m going to do the heavy lifting really my body is and what we’ve seen, and I’m sure you could probably agree if you give your body the deficiencies that maybe, you know, your imbalance of Lyme or the co-infections might have caused inside the body has an innate ability to bounce back and to heal. And so I think that’s the greatest joy about being a health provider is the smile that you get on the, on the patient and the family unit that’s supporting that patient because it’s not, it’s not a single journey, right? It’s, everybody’s in it. And when you can team, when your patient can team up with you to take care of their take responsibility, really for their health challenge, it makes all the difference in the world in the result I find. So, I mean, I think that that’s original, amazing and terrific. 

And besides being a pioneer in so many ways, you’ve figured out just another way to stay ahead of the curve. And I think that that’s really wonderful. People need to know and get more of you. And you’ve created that platform that people can do that, you know, and I think that’s fantastic. So, okay, we’re coming to a close ’cause I know how busy you are. So, I’m your Lyme patient. And I need to know what I can do tomorrow to feel better. Sometimes it’s psychological. I think earlier you touched on a point with my daughter at one point, I think we counted she had seen more than 25 practitioners and towards the, towards the end, I couldn’t hardly even get her to see another practitioner. I had to actually almost have a debate with her, you know, to like say, okay, I just found this original thinker and he’s over here, let’s go and check them out. So I know that that kind of merry-go-round, or that rollercoaster that people are on and it’s not, it’s not easy. 

Physically she almost was a zero sum game after close to 15 years of challenge, psychologically, emotionally, every time she would have kind of a relapse, she would make a new low. So the emotional piece is so important to everybody, you know, not just people that have health challenges, but even for people that are healthy, they, they need to have that emotional piece always in check. So what’s a good tip or two, that you might want to recommend to somebody listening that they could do as early as tomorrow that might make a, a shift or a difference in their lives.

Jessica Peatross, M.D.

You know, sometimes especially people that live in a city, especially if you’re in a city, you know, most of these people, by the time they come to me, their diet is like on point. It’s not their diet, that’s the problem, right? It’s other things it’s they have this medical PTSD, these practitioners have gas lit them so much, they’re never gonna heal. Isn’t it weird you guys that you come in with positive antibodies to so many other things and viruses and you have deadly diseases, they’re going to kill you. But if you have antibodies with lyme, you’re crazy, they’ll kick you out of their office. So just know that the system is very sick. It’s really not you and that your mindset can be great. You just sometimes have to get out of the city, go on a walk. 

Some of my best prescriptions for people have not been medications or herbs, but actually going, you know, on a hiking trip, if they are able or camping trip, right. If it’s not too cold where they are just getting out in nature, lets you reflect on how many things in this matrix society we’ve built that aren’t very important and we make them important. And you realize how many people are stuck within that mindset of that system and are just playing roles in that system. And you know, you have been victimized, but you are not a victim and you can totally pull yourself out of that. 

And this is just a journey that perhaps you’re going through, some of my sickest people ended up being the best healers. They have to go through it first, because once you heal no one can tell you better because you’ve been through it on your own. So that’s really what I want to give people a message here about, a message of empowerment is that there’s a purpose to everything. And you have no idea how you can optimize and revolutionize this. So keep a positive mindset, get out in nature and you know, nature, recharges mitochondria, and ultimately Lyme disease is a problem with mitochondria in my opinion.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Okay. So I tap into nature. I get myself grounded. There’s a, Lyme publisher that actually sold his home and just bought an RV and decided to just travel with his young family around the country. He had Lyme and he talks about Lyme and mold that combination so what, as soon as he hit the road, many of his symptoms started to go away and he found himself his body re-acclimating and his inner chemistry his microbiome started to match the, outside environment. And all of a sudden some of his symptoms started to go away little by little by little. And he, I think he hit the road for like about a year. And then he realized that his environment was sick, that he was in, but it gave him perspective. And that’s really what you’re saying now. You know that first off you can, you can heal. And also that sometimes you have to kind of step out of your normal routine and just sort of get grounded and just do maybe what your grandparents did, you know, simple things, live your life a little bit more simply. And then things come back into balance. 

So, you know, it just come to mind about fasting. I’m not sure why that popped in, but I get these downloads. And so fasting is kind of like a hard reset. You just you’ve been used to eating whatever your diets were. And then all of a sudden you just decide not to eat for a day or two. And it gives your body a chance to sort of relax your organs a chance they don’t have to kind of be so busy digesting and doing what they normally do. And then all of a sudden your hormone balances start to come back into place and, and a lot of other things. And so I love what you’re suggesting. Thank you so much for spending time with us today.

Jessica Peatross, M.D.

fasting on a camping trip you guys, thank you for that .

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Okay well.

Jessica Peatross, M.D.

There you go, we’ll send you on a fasting camping trip to help you my Lyme patient.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Well, you know what, it’s simple and not that expensive and you know, next we’re just searching for that, you know, the way to kind of catch back maybe part of what we used to be before, as we redefine the new you and we’re living in that world and we need pioneers and thought leaders like yourself to help us find our way back. So Dr. Jess as usual, you hit another home run. Thank you for your time today. Thank you for being part of the Lyme, “Healing from Lyme Summit” and certainly for your contribution to the community, to people that follow you and big fan. Dr. Jess, thank you so much for joining us.

Jessica Peatross, M.D.

Thank you so much for having me Robby.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Hey everybody, it’s Robby Besner thanks so much for joining us today. Please share this content with anyone that you think might benefit from it. And we’re looking forward to having you with us tomorrow for another great interview.