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Dr. Terry Wahls is an Institute for Functional Medicine Certified Practitioner and a board-certified internal medicine physician. She also conducts clinical trials testing the efficacy of diet and lifestyle in the setting of multiple sclerosis. In 2018 she was awarded the Institute for Functional Medicine’s Linus Pauling Award for her... Read More
William Pawluk, MD, MSc, author of “Supercharge Your Health with PEMF therapy”, was recently a holistic doctor near Baltimore, MD. Previous academic positions at Johns Hopkins and University of Maryland. Training: acupuncture, homeopathy, hypnosis, energy medicine, nutrition and bodywork. Considered the foremost authority on the practical use of Pulsed Electromagnetic... Read More
- PEMFs, or Pulsed Electromagnetic Fields, are a significant tool in the field of health and wellness, particularly in managing nervous system damage
- Understanding the difference between PEMFs and EMFs is crucial for their effective application
- PEMFs have been shown to be beneficial in managing MS, highlighting their potential in the field of neurology
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Acupuncture, Bodys Response, Cellular Membranes, Charge, Chronic Illness, Communication, Emf Electromagnetic Fields, Environmental Emfs, Faradays Law, Healing, Healing Properties, Health Use, Induction, Inflammation, Ions, Magnetic Field Interaction, Magnetic Field Therapy, Magnets, Mitochondria, Ms Multiple Sclerosis, Multiple Sclerosis, Nervous System Damage, Pain Management, PEMF, Pemf Therapy, Physiology, Radio Ablation, Static Magnets, WoundsTerry Wahls, MD
Welcome, Dr. Pawluk. I am so glad you are here. I’m going to ask you to introduce yourself. Explain why you have become such an expert in post-electromagnetic fields. Bill, take it away.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Thank you very much. Should I call you Terry or Dr. Wahls?
Terry Wahls, MD
Terry is fine.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Thank you, Terry. So my background is in family medicine. So I did family medicine for many years, and I was a medical director for a family medicine group in New Jersey who had 14 family physicians, the biggest family medicine group on the whole East Coast. And so we shared patients a lot. And one over a period of a week or two weeks, we actually had two admissions for GI bleeding. One person almost died of gastric bleeding. The commonality for them was Ibuprofen. And so I kept I said to myself, this is stupid medicine. This is like the definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over and over and over again, not expecting any bad things to happen, never mind good things, but bad things to happen. So anyway, so I said I decided to study acupuncture and find another solution for pain management that was not going to harm people or hurt people. And during my studies with acupuncture that 1990, people did not know what acupuncture was yet in this country.
And so I had to find a different way of doing acupuncture-like treatments without using needles. So then I discovered that in the Orient they were using a lot of magnets on acupuncture points. And so I started using magnets and discovered that the magnets were doing a bunch of other things in addition to acupuncture. They would improve the healing of wounds. They would decrease inflammation in local tissues, which are things that you do not normally see with needles, acupuncture, needles. And the more I worked with magnetics of all kinds back braces, show inserts, magnetic necklaces, bracelets, pads on the body, pads on a bed, etc. The more I discovered that again, magnetic fields did a lot more than just acupuncture. And so essentially I moved away from acupuncture and just looked at magnetic field therapies and began using them more extensively. Eventually, I tried to understand the literature, most of that literature was buried in Eastern Europe, was buried in German, Russian, Ukrainian, Polish, not English, or you had this little abstract snippet, as you have seen, if you go to PubMed, the little snippets. So along the way, I met a doctor, an M.D. from the Czech Republic, Dr. Jarvik, who had translated a lot of that literature on magnetic field therapies, or his Ph.D. in Rehabilitation using PMS for rehab. And he had his manuscript. It was pretty rough.
So he gave me the manuscript and we put it together and basically published a book called Magnetic Therapy in Eastern Europe, our review of 30 years of research. So that book, I do not recommend it for the average person. Clinicians might like it just to see what the history is, but it is really too technical. It is really some are highly summarized a lot of abbreviations so that, so, but that convinced me that this technology had a really sound physiologic basis. It was good clinically, but there was some really good understanding, some of the mechanisms behind PMF. So what they did in the body. So I started working with magnetic systems from Europe, purchased whole-body magnetic systems, used them for quite a while.
After about 30 years total of working with magnetic fields now I published two books. One is called Power Tools for Health and Power Tools for Health was again to provide more science for people about the use of magnetic fields. So I discovered over the years of reviewing the literature that there are about 25, 27 different actions of magnetic fields in the body’s physiologic responses of the body to magnetic field stimulation, and they form the basis behind what magnetic field therapy does. We are used to think in terms of a disease or maybe even a symptom and a method, and you have a treatment. Each disease, each symptom has its own specific, unique treatment, which is not true.
Magnetic field therapy has about 27 actions and probably even more, and they are all unique by themselves. So it does not matter what the disease is. All of these actions happen in physiology, whether you are a dog or an elephant, or a human. But also I reviewed about 50 different health conditions and presented the science, the studies that have been done for those different health conditions. And one of those health conditions and in fact, that is in my Power Tools for Health book is MS Multiple Sclerosis. And there are numerous studies with the use of PEMFs with MS
Terry Wahls, MD
Let us define PEMF. Not everyone listening will will know what that is.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
All right, perfect. Thank you. So PEMF stands for pulsed electromagnetic fields, and the elephant in the room is EMFs. So everybody talking about EMF, 5G, microwaves, cell phones, wi fi, all of that, those are categorized as EMFs. I call those environmental of magnetic fields.
Terry Wahls, MD
Yeah, big difference.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
They are Electro Magnetic Fields. But they are environmental.
Terry Wahls, MD
Yes.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
There are two basic kinds of magnetic fields. That was three. One is the static magnets that I started working with and stopped using because they are very limited in what they could do. And then there are the PEMF, which actually were discovered and used way before EMFs became an issue. So the difference is that PEMFs are broadcast into the environment. They have wavelengths, whether it is microwaves, whether it is radio waves, whether it is TV waves, whether it is radar you name it, those that have wavelengths. And so they go on forever. So I call those open loop pulsed electromagnetic fields are created uniquely by current flowing through a wire. And this is what we call the right hand rule. The current is my thumb. The wire is my thumb, and the magnetic field is developed in a current flowing through a wire, perpendicular to the flow of the current. But as the current pulses, you know, like with the power line, currents are like 50, 50 cycles per second or 60 cycles per second and it is pulsing at this rate. So it is going up and out and coming back. It is collapsing on itself. Every time the current flows are pulses, the current, the magnetic field pulses out and comes back down again. So PEMFs are designed for health use.
Terry Wahls, MD
Yes.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
They are not designed for communication.
Terry Wahls, MD
Yes.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
And the risk of EMFs is because they are wavelengths, particularly the bad EMFs if you will. The wavelengths are extremely short and because they are short, they get absorbed by the body. And so that is the purpose of a microwave oven. It is extremely short. Magnetic fields are the magnetic fields of matter, electromagnetic waves. And as a result, they cook. Yes. So that is a very different use of a PEMFs. We use radio ablation to kill nerves and to burn warts and tissues. So you can.
Terry Wahls, MD
Yeah.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
For destructive purposes. But again, they are destructive. They are not healing, they are destructive. Whereas PEMFs are not destructive. They are healing. For that particular purpose.
Terry Wahls, MD
How does the PEMF work then?
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
So once a magnetic field is produced, it basically goes out and it comes back as it goes out my arm. So as it goes out, it was basically into my arm and comes back out again. It moves in and out. Pulses in and out.
Terry Wahls, MD
Okay.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Think of it. A better visual would be the wind.
Terry Wahls, MD
Yes.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
The wind is blowing through the trees and we are the only way we know that we have wind is the leaves are moving.
Terry Wahls, MD
Yes, they are moving.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
So the same thing happens with the magnetic field in the body. It is like the wind. It goes into the body goes completely through and back in again. We are back out again. Took out the back end. And as it is pulsing the it is as if the body was not even there. So the body is basically completely invisible to a magnetic field. So the magnetic field ignores the body. Doesn’t even know it is there.
Terry Wahls, MD
Yeah.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Yeah, already knows it is there. So as the magnetic field pulses into the body, it goes in through the tissues and back out again because nothing in the body stops the magnetic field bone, brain, fat, skin, muscle does not matter. It is completely transparent to the magnetic field. But as it passes in and out, pulsing in and out, what it is doing is it is creating charge, it is creating current, it is creating basically increasing the energy levels in the tissues. So the body reacts to that magnetic field through induction. So there is an induction of a magnetic field by the tissue, by the body itself. The magnetic field does not do the charge. The body does that charge. The magnetic field interacts with ions. I’ll give you an example. Faraday’s law that this is all the principle of Faraday’s law., Michael Faraday, the 1800s discovered that if you take a loop of coil, a copper wire, and you put a light bulb in that circuit, and you close that circuit and that pulse of magnetic field into that circuit, past the copper wire, the light bulb lights up.
That is called induction. And yes, he said that the higher the induction, the higher the magnetic field, the faster it reaches its peak, the more charge gets produced in whatever, including the body. So the magnetic field then is interacting with ionic structures, anything with charge in the body. So every molecule in the body has a charge positive or negative. Essentially the very few that are neutral, but mostly proteins, fats, cell membranes, cells themselves, mitochondrial membranes, etc. all of these are basically charged carriers and as a result the magnetic field is activated. All of this, and that is what ends up producing. There is about 27 different actions in the body.
Terry Wahls, MD
And for everyone listening here, cells, they are very much electrical organs. Most of our cell membranes work in communication depends on that charge. So this is talking to our cell membranes, talking to all of our receptors. And your experience, apparently it is doing helpful things as opposed to harmful things. So how does this PEMF reduce pain and in your experience? What’s a sense for that?
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Sure. Let’s back up a little bit more. Let’s go back to the 27 different actions of magnetic fields. So the question becomes what causes pain? As one of the actions of magnetic fields? So perhaps have two actions relative to magnetic fields. One is it has a natural painkilling effect like Tylenol, anti gnosis, sedative, it is called so natural painkiller effect. The second thing is the cause of the pain. So if all I do is to treat the pain itself, we are not doing a great job with magnetic field therapy. You might as well just give somebody a narcotic. Right. But that is not our goal. Our goal is not to just reduce the pain, because if you all you do is reduce the pain, it comes back if you do not take care of the cause.
Terry Wahls, MD
Now, you are absolutely.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
So the goal then with chemotherapy is to reduce as much as you can the cause behind the pain. And that requires some degree of healing. It may require improving circulation so you can get pain from lack of circulation to tissues. ischemia . You can get pain because of inflammation. Inflammation is caused causes swelling in tissues, which then causes distortions of nerves and causes decreases in the ability of nerves to conduct. Or the nerves become hyper irritated, hyper excitable. It can also cause decreased production of ATP, decreased production and function of mitochondria. So all of these are different components of the actions of an injury to a tissue that then results in pain as one of the byproducts of that path, a logic process or pathophysiologic process. So any sense? That process can cause pain. So then the goal then would be to try to remove that. So one of the key functions of PEMF therapy is to improve circulation. Another key function of PEMF therapy is to decrease edema. Another is to decrease inflammation. And most of the time this is the one that I rely on the most. Yes, ischemia is usually pretty obvious, right? If you put a band around an arm, you are going to cut off the blood supply, you are going to get pain in the heart or whether it is a shoulder or whatever.
The scheme is a major contributor to pain. So that circulation becomes important. But inflammation is the most common cause of chronic pain. And so definitely inflammation. And along the way, if you have a two approved circulation because again, the magnetic field does not decide what the body’s going to do with it, the body decides what it is going to do with it. So you presenting the stimulus, and then the body says, I could use this energy, and what am I going to do with it? Well, I’m going to obviously, I’m going to improve circulation. I’m going to have a painkilling effect. I’m going to reduce inflammation, etc.. So all the different actions of magnetism. What are the key actions of magnetic fields, of course, is acupuncture. And one of the best uses of acupuncture is pain reduction. Why does our acupuncture reduce pain? It is stimulating endorphins and encephalitis. It is increasing serotonin. It is starting to stimulate all kinds of neurotransmitters in the brain, in the body.
Terry Wahls, MD
Yes.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
It reduces cytokines, it reduces mass cell releases and so on. So all of these are secondary actions of acupuncture. So a magnetic field does all that, too.
Terry Wahls, MD
The needle that sounds pretty good.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Yeah. You’re getting free acupuncture at the same time you are doing magnetic therapy for other reasons.
Terry Wahls, MD
Is this magnetic therapy a local wand that I’m putting over a part of the body? Or how do we deliver that?
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
All right. So the second book called Supercharge Your Health with PEMF Therapy, I go into different types of devices. So if you got local devices that are you have devices to treat a chest or a belly or you have devices that would treat the whole body. So you have to kind of pick and choose the machine, the equipment you want for that, for your goals.
Terry Wahls, MD
Yes.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
And then you could have very low intensity magnetic field devices and they are available in the market, which I do not advocate. And I’ll tell you why in a second. But you can have variations of intensity going from anywhere from about, half a gauss. So, a gauss is a measure of magnetic field, GAUSS. So the earth’s magnetic field is half a gauss on average.
Terry Wahls, MD
That is okay.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
You can have machines that are lower than the Earth’s magnetic field, but the Earth’s magnetic field is static. So if you pulse on a magnetic field, even though it is lower into the Earth’s magnetic field, they are going to interact and produce a more dynamic response. And then you increase the intensity going upwards as much as an MRI machine. You could have magnetic fields that are 10,000 Gauss one Tesla. So you have a huge range of intensities. And that is important because what we have found out, research has shown that magnetic field therapy, by decreasing inflammation, one of the mechanisms of action to decrease inflammation is to stimulate the adenosine receptor.
The adenosine receptor is very important in inflammation, both acute inflammation and chronic inflammation. The ideal magnetic field is to reduce inflammation turns out to be 15 Gauss. So at the adenosine receptor, which sits on the neutrophil, then the magnetic field stimulates that adenosine receptor optimally needing 15 gauss. So then you have to have a minimum of 15 gauss, but 15 gauss is only going to work superficial like basically in the skin because magnetic fields drop off in intensity very rapidly, just like we have with radiation, ionizing radiation. So magnetic field therapy is a form of radiation, but it is not ionizing. It is not damaging or harmful, but it still has the same principles like sound and light and heat and cold and so on. They drop off very rapidly as you move away from the source. So in other words, you have to deliver 15 gauss at the tissue. That means you have to calculate like we do with ionizing radiation. We have to calculate the dose of the magnetic field that you need at the target.
Terry Wahls, MD
Sure. This makes a lot of sense.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
So for the brain, for example, for MS you want to stimulate across the skull. And again, the skull is transparent too. The magnetic field goes right on through. As a result, if you want to deliver 15 gauss across the whole brain, you are going to need to have about a 4000 Gauss magnetic field.
Terry Wahls, MD
Are there devices like that?
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Absolutely. I work with those every day.
Terry Wahls, MD
Okay. Sign me up.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
When we get to MS this is to the specific topic of MS and magnetic field therapy is amazingly important and helpful in MS because again, if you deliver, he has the right magnetic field intensity, then you can actually heal the lesions, you can heal the plaque.
Terry Wahls, MD
Okay, so have you seen this? Tell us more about some of these cases.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
What you do is, you do MRI’s and so MRI’s show you plaque and MRI’s are variably helpful in distinguishing the full dimensions of the lesion. So this plaque is, in a sense like a volcano. It is called a penumbra. If the center of the volcano where the most damage is. And as you move away from the center, from the top tip of the volcano, as you move farther away, there is less damage as you move away towards the base and farther out into the environment. The same thing with the plaque. You have the center area of the plaque that has the most ischemic actions or the most inflammatory action or the most tissue killing action, apoptotic or necrotic. Yes, right. It can produce necrosis which basically kills the tissue.
So as you move away from it, then you get more functional change as opposed to pathologic change at the highest density of the plaque, you have dead tissue. And one of the caveats about magnetic field therapy is magnetic field therapy does not raise the dead. Yeah, that tissue is dead tissue. You can make it a part of your looking scar, but it is still a scar. But as you move away from the dead tissue, you start to have variations and degrees of pathologic and functional. So as you move farther away, the magnetic fields going to have the most impact on what can be changed.
Terry Wahls, MD
On the standard tissue that is struggling but is still alive.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
And still alive. And if you do the magnetic field therapy, then that tissue has a chance to recover and live out its full life, or at least live out a reasonable amount of time before it gets replaced apoptotic by the way, the brain normally heals and cut out problematic tissue.
Terry Wahls, MD
So how sessions would one need to recover the marginal tissue?
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
This is something that you and I say all the time as clinicians. When am I going to get better?
Terry Wahls, MD
Yeah, people hear I hear that all the time.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
All the time. So what’s the answer?
Terry Wahls, MD
Well, terms it depends on depends on many things.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Many factors. And the same thing happens with chemotherapy. So the more damage the tissue is. And we know that brain cells do not heal well. It takes a lot of work for a brain cell to recover to its full optimal functioning. And even if it is not 100% normal, it can still function for quite a while. And so if you can improve the function, so PEMF therapy basically works on three sort of phases if you will, like with pain killing the natural nociceptive effect. So you can improve physiologic changes very quickly by improving circulation, by decreasing swelling, by changing, by increasing neurotransmitter production, by increasing the ability of the cells to talk to each other. All that happens very rapidly. So that is the physiologic phase. Basically what the magnetic fields are doing. The second phase is to improve function. So the more physiologic improvement you get, then you begin to see improvements in function and that could take a longer time function depends not only on improving physiology, the function also depends on healing, recovering the tissue. And so what happens then is that the healing component of this is the most important and in a therapy has actually been found to increase the growth or development of neural stem cells.
Terry Wahls, MD
That is huge. Everyone, stem cells.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Neural stem cells, you get a 400% increase in neural stem cells at about 150 growth factors that go with those stem cells.
Terry Wahls, MD
Those key.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
You have the capacity then to heal the brain. So you have the capacity to heal the damage to the extent that it can be healed.
Terry Wahls, MD
So do these kind of devices exists or is this only a research.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
To use it? I use it all the time.
Terry Wahls, MD
Tell us more.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
When you deal with MS, what are the problems of the MS? So we talk about MRI and plaque. You can do MRI as we do a functional MRI, as you would expect scanning. And so we do different functional tests of the brain. So the MRI that a classic MRI does not tell you function, it gives you some sense of the amount of damage and how much possible residual benefit you are going to get. And we see this with stroke all the time. You see this with TBI. So magnetic field therapy, by doing all these things, you can improve spasticity, you can improve fatigue, you can improve walking motor function, you can improve pain, you improve circulation, you can improve cognitive function, you can improve speech function, and you can again improve brain functions, ability to communicate.
Terry Wahls, MD
Correct.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
I’ve seen all these things with magnetic field therapy.
Terry Wahls, MD
So are these big devices that I would come into your office?
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
So I tried to doze my phone, but a message came through without a call.
Terry Wahls, MD
Okay.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
So there are degrees. There are, there are some, some devices that are about the size of cell phone.
Terry Wahls, MD
Well, okay.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
There are some devices that are and it depends on the control unit. So control unit can be small. And what you are doing again with the magnetic fields, you are passing the current from the control unit, you are passing down a wire into a coil. Yes. Can be a size of a quarter. Or they can be the size of a whole body.
Terry Wahls, MD
Yeah.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
You can get systems that will give you that range of choices. In the same system you can have local treatment for like an elbow, a shoulder or back of the neck. I use a PEMF device every night for sleep at three hertz at Delta frequency. I use it all night long in my pillow to help me with sleep and it is small, it is portable battery operated like a small cigaret box. And the coil itself is about that big.
Terry Wahls, MD
Yeah.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
It is small, but it is about two inches to three inches. So you can go from that all the way up to devices that are like TMS.
Terry Wahls, MD
And explain TMS for people who may not know.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
TMS stands for transcranial magnetic stimulation, which means the magnetic fields going through the brain across the skull into the brain.
Terry Wahls, MD
Yeah.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
The TMS machines have a whole system that is like this. They are big. And you put them on the brain for treating depression. That is what they are approved for by the FDA treatment resistant depression. But there is a lot more application than the FDA indication.
Terry Wahls, MD
Yeah, absolutely.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
And what they do with TMS for depression is that they are powerful enough to stimulate or generate current in the brain. So they put the coils over the motor cortex, over the part of the brain that controls muscle movement, and they increase the intensity of the magnetic field in that spot until they get a hand movement. It is basically like a like a twitch. So that is called the motor threshold. And then they will take that threshold and that would put the applicator on the front of the head and they’ll go up to 120%, about 20% more than the motor threshold to stimulate charge production in the brain. TMS was developed originally to replace ECT electroconvulsive therapy.
Terry Wahls, MD
Yeah. Yeah.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Safer. You do not need anesthesia and it has a lot of the same benefits. It may not be quite as powerful, as ECT, but then it is not as barbaric either.
Terry Wahls, MD
Yeah, right.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
What you are doing then is you are stimulating the brain with this magnetic field and now you can find you can treat Parkinson’s, you can treat MS, you can treat ALS, you can treat brain injuries. But you did published a review paper in the Journal of Science and Medicine on the use of TMS, but not that kind of TMS but with other magnetic field therapy devices for TBI, for brain injuries. There is a substantial literature showing a tremendous benefit of magnetic field therapy for brain injuries. So we are doing it for brain injury. What’s it doing for other problems like TMS, like Parkinson’s?
Terry Wahls, MD
Sure, absolutely. So are you using these small portable devices then for MS?
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Okay. Let’s talk about what I would do for MS
Terry Wahls, MD
Yeah.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Part of the problem is what is your MS? What are you experiencing with your MS? If you have somebody who’s in a wheelchair already and is incontinent physically or with bladder incontinence, well, then you got to add a more severe level of damage right with their MS But if you have somebody who just got some plaque and maybe had some optic neuritis, you do not need something quite as big or a strong. So you can use that small little device to help, to help with sleep. But it is not strong enough because. 200 Gauss.
Terry Wahls, MD
Sure. Okay.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Gauss will deliver to 15 Gauss only in about half an inch.
Terry Wahls, MD
So it is not going to be right for you.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
But for inflammation management, it is not going to be ideal. So most of the time I want to be using devices that are more powerful. So you need to have a machine that is going to have probably a minimum of 4000 Gauss to be able to treat transcranial. And that is the goal you have to treat transcranial.
Terry Wahls, MD
Yeah.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
And you got your MRI’s and you know where the lesions are in terms of symptoms where some of the problems are as well. But MRI is going to guide you where you or your lesions are, whether you have it in the neck or you have it at the thoracic spine, most of them are going to be in the brain or in the neck, cervical spine, rarely you do not see very often thoracic spine. But they do happen too.
Terry Wahls, MD
Yeah, absolutely.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
What you can use for treating the brain. You can use for treating the spine. And if you get the right magnetic system, you can actually run two channels at a time where you could treat both simultaneously.
Terry Wahls, MD
Wow.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
And then that decreases treatment time and those devices that are likeyou have two applicators that are running at the same time, at the same level of intensity. I would get the best results the fast. So in other words, the total treatment time that is needed for that would be a lot less.
Terry Wahls, MD
So are these commercially available in the United States?
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
So in both of my books, Power Tools for Health and Supercharge Your Health, and on my website, drpawluk.com, DRPAWLUK dot com, I have a product comparison guide where all the different devices that I’ve worked with and I recommend and use. Yes. And then there is a store. So people go to the product comparison guide on the store on the website or in the books. Again, their charts of the different machines.
Terry Wahls, MD
Wow, this is excellent. And then so if someone got a device do they have to work with their a trained physician to set these protocols up?.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
What do you think?
Terry Wahls, MD
Well, I’m thinking that people can probably set up the devices with a little bit of help.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
But the, that is what I do. That is what drpawluk.com does. Yeah. The biggest problem for most people as they end up buying machines or equipment based on some salesperson selling them something. And the salesperson does not even know what they got. The salespeople do not even know the intensity of their machines. And I mentioned that you need a minimum of 15 gauss.
Terry Wahls, MD
Yeah.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
And if you could treat transcranial, you need a minimum of $4,000. So you need to get the right piece of equipment. And then if you do that, then supercharge your health has protocols, has general recommendations for how you use the magnetic fields as some supplement recommendations. Anybody who works with drpawluk.com, we provide free consultations.
Terry Wahls, MD
Okay.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
We will tell you what device will be best for you. We will tell you how to use it. And then we provide you with ongoing support for you to be able to get the most value out of your equipment.
Terry Wahls, MD
Sounds quite remarkable. Now, Bill, in addition to MS, because some of these are for people with neuroimmune conditions, Imagine if people with Sjogren, with RA, and with behcet, neurosarcoidosis So a wide variety of autoimmune diseases that attack, they are either the peripheral nerves or their cranial nerves or their brain. What do you think? Would those people be helped as well?
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
All of them.
Terry Wahls, MD
All of them.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Because what’s the common factor? The inflammation.
Terry Wahls, MD
And then the diabetic neuropathy.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Piece of cake.
Terry Wahls, MD
Okay.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
So but diabetic neuropathy is better actually than idiopathic neuropathy where you do not know it. Well, the reason is that you do not know what the cause is. So if you do not have cause, then it is harder to see the symptoms. So a diabetic neuropathy, one of the most important things that PEMFS have to do for that is they provide circulation to those nerves.
Terry Wahls, MD
Yeah, absolutely.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
So diabetic neuropathy response really well? I have a picture of a relative actually who had Charcot foot from diabetic neuropathy. He was a type two diabetic, had it for a very long time. Poor control. He started developing a Charcot foot, which means the bones are basically crumbling because the bones do not have adequate vascular supply due to the tiny little blood vessels that feed the bone. So as far as bones started sort of falling apart, he was under standardized standard wound care for about two years. The ROP was not getting better. The wound was bad, oozing from the foot, the bottom of the foot, his same podiatry scene, all kinds of wound care people. We got him on a portable battery operated magnetic system. Within one month, his foot went from this to this.
Terry Wahls, MD
Now, here is another problem that I see people struggle with small a chronic idiopathic demyelinating CIDP. Chronic idiopathic demyelinating polyneuropathy. Have you had any of those folks?
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
We’ve had a few of those. I did consultations on a few do not have a huge series and they do better to the challenge that we have with nerves. Again, nerves do not heal well.
Terry Wahls, MD
Yes.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
They take a long time to heal and people have to have the patience to continue their magnetic field therapy, to let the nerves heal. But you can improve circulation, you can reduce pain to improve sleep. So a lot of functional improvements you can get with these individuals and do not directly cause the nerve to be normal tomorrow.
Terry Wahls, MD
Correct. If a nerve is regrowing from the brain all the way down to the toe, I believe I was recall something like seven years to make that path. I presume that this would facilitate a little faster recovery time. Would that be correct?
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Yes, because one of the things that the magnetic fields do is they increase PDNF.
Terry Wahls, MD
Yes.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
And other nerve nerve growth factors so that you are and studies have been done in rats where they did sciatic nerve to cut through transfected sciatic nerves and that did magnetic stimulation and it followed those nerves with after with magnetic stimulation and found that they started getting sprouted.
Terry Wahls, MD
Okay, excellent.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
We know we can recover. The problem is getting them to reconnect properly.
Terry Wahls, MD
And does this have any assistance there?
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Well, it takes too long. So the problem is that a lot of this research, the animals do not live long enough and the research does not go on long enough. So what happens is that you often see people with numbness and if you are numb at the nerves, almost the nerves are basically dead or pretty well dead. Paresthesia is they start having numbness and tingling. They started going from numbness to tingling. That is a good sign.
That is a very it is a good sign. So that means those nerves are recovering. So there is a chance then over a period of months, typically months to even a couple of years with the regeneration processes of the nerves that you can get some reasonable recovery of the nerves 100%. Well, I tell people I’m an M.D., not a GOD, to give me everything you want.
Terry Wahls, MD
Yeah.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
A good relationship with God.
Terry Wahls, MD
Yeah. It is absolutely helpful. Well, this has been really very informative. I appreciate your taking the time to chat with this us again, how people get to your website.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
And so it is drpawluk.com, DRPAWLUK.com
Terry Wahls, MD
Okay. And everyone listens, Dr. Pawluk. is going to have a gift for you for sure, and download that you’ll get some great info. And Bill, thank you so much. I’ve used PEMF for many years and yes, that certainly has been a very helpful tool. Now much love to you and your family and I look forward to seeing you, hopefully at a another a forum conference.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
I wish you very great success with your summit.
Terry Wahls, MD
Thanks, Bill.
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