Full Transcript Podcast Introduction and Mission 0:00 If you have a condition, it can give you hope that, well, if I lower my body burden, the condition might get better or resolved itself. 0:08 All chronic conditions have one component of it that is causal through the environment. 0:13 That's not even a radical thing to say. 0:16 At least, you know, If have lead exposure, It can impact your pancreas, blood sugar, Alzheimer's. 0:24 Welcome to the Deeper Healing Podcast. 0:27 I'm your host, Danielle Howley. 0:29 This is for everyone who's been dismissed, misdiagnosed or told to just live with it and refuse to accept that answer. 0:35 You're gonna hear amazing patient recovery stories, raw and real in their own words. 0:41 People who found answers after everything had failed them. 0:44 you're going to hear from medical experts we trust that are pioneering new approaches to healing the body because we deeply know we're designed to heal. 0:52 Let's dig in. 0:59 Welcome, everybody. 1:00 I am super excited to have Nick Pinault here today, coming in from Canada. 1:05 If you're not familiar with him, he is an amazing investigative journalist. 1:10 And before that, He was an EMF expert. 1:13 He has spent a long time in his career really educating families about the effects of the EMS. 1:20 I'll let you speak to how you're broadening your scope, but he is the producer of the movie Body Burden, The Toxins We Carry. 1:29 I just want to say out loud, you are creating a mission, an actual mission for people to understand what the heck is going on in the world.
Nick's Background and Early Health Research 1:41 What I love about the movie so much is it takes a regular person, and when I say regular, I mean those people that are just spending good money on toxic 1:50 junk every day. 1:51 I see them every at the food store. 1:53 And you literally take them on a journey that lets them go, oh, wait a minute. 1:57 Wait a minute. 1:58 And it's an amazing awakening. 2:00 That is an, it an Amazing Awakening. 2:02 Everybody should see this film. 2:04 So it is available. 2:05 It's available for free. 2:07 You can see it anytime. 2:08 If you sign up, you get it, and you can stream it and watch it. 2:12 Okay, so that just kind of lays the land for anyone who doesn't know about it We'll put all the links in the notes here. 2:19 Nick, tell me, give me a little bit of how you got here Well, you know, I started 16 years ago writing about health. 2:27 At the beginning, it was really just an interest because I wanted to do bodybuilding. 2:31 That's like my 2009. I was 120 pounds, very thin. 2:38 I'm like, okay, I want to put on muscle mass. 2:41 So I started following people online about food, nutrition. 2:44 But very rapidly, through watching a couple of documentaries, one of them is Food Matters or Food Inc. 2:50 They talked about, you know, pesticides and the contamination of our food supply. 2:55 And I was very alarmed, as someone with a background in communications. 2:59 I kind of was on that path to journalism. 3:02 Although I never ended up going to a journalism school, Copywriting professionally for TV, but at the same time, I knew that, 3:11 you know, writing for tv, i barely watch tv even at that time. 3:15 So I know it wasn't my calling. 3:16 so on the side I was starting a blog and you, know connecting with people online about nutrition, But really my interest was environmental toxins. 3:25 I felt like, okay, a lot of people talk about, You know carbohydrates and the importance of, reducing your calorie if you want to lose weight. 3:33 But I'm like wait a minute guys, there's a hormonal effect of. 3:37 certain substances that leach out of plastic containers called BPA, and it's replaced with BPS that is something even more toxic. 3:47 You guys don't get it. 3:48 And I was in that conversation in like 2010. No one really understood it except a small, you know, a couple thousand people that were following my work 3:57 at the time. 3:58 It kind of led me into talking about nutrition and many other topics, but I the contamination in tap water, following, you know, 4:08 sometimes articles from the EWG, but sometimes following some of the health pioneers, Dr. 4:13 Joseph Mercola, for example, and then discovering Children's Health Defense very, very early in my career. 4:19 And then starting to read these other voices that we're talking about how things are completely messed up. 4:26 We are getting poisoned from, the tap, water to the air to, to plastics to our clothing, that's plastic. 4:33 And I was like, oh my God, this is very overwhelming. 4:36 And started talking about it to try to distill it down in a way that is digestible on my newsletter. 4:41 Eventually it led me into EMFs, which is a whole other can of worms. 4:47 I started in 2016 looking into electromagnetic radiation emitted by cell phones and Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, cell towers. 4:57 It dug in that rabbit hole, the reading one book after a deed. 5:01 I did not know I would spend 10 years and counting on this almost exclusively. 5:07 And yet here I am, you know, 10 Years later, have been talking about EMFs, having, on hundreds of interviews on stages, I was invited everywhere. 5:17 Part of me was, you know, for many years I felt like an imposter because I'm like, I was early 30s or even late 20s, no former experience in EMFs. 5:28 No former experienced in journalism. 5:30 You know some people call me a blogger and I am like... 5:33 What am I? 5:33 I don't know. 5:34 I just want to talk about EMFs. 5:36 Guys, this matters so much and I was screaming from the rooftops and then people started inviting me like, hey, what have you discovered? 5:43 And I'm like well, I've discovered that this is severely underfunded, that we should use precaution, You know, there is a synergy between EMFs and the 5:55 cell phones and Bluetooth in your home and all other environmental toxins.
From EMFs to Environmental Medicine 6:01 And it kind of led me into 2023, I got in touch with Dr. 6:06 McCarter, who used to be at Deeper Healing, is now in Dallas, practicing in Nick, I am seeing a lot of these people that follow you are what we can say, 6:17 you know, suffering from the EMR syndrome used to be called electro hypersensitivity. 6:21 And these many people do not understand what it's like because they had minor symptoms related to EMS but some people have symptoms so major they cannot 6:33 even live in a city. 6:33 I mean some, people can feel this sort of oppressive feeling or have weird heartbeats or start you know feeling distress response even with just one single 6:44 phone in the room. 6:45 This is how bad it is for some of these people. 6:48 And some people wrote to me in the last 10 years and they said, Nick, I'm getting worse. 6:53 I don't know what to do. 6:54 Well, look, i'm just a citizen journalist. 6:57 iI'm going to send you to doctors, but I know which one understand it. 7:01 Some people in functional medicine understood EMS a little bit. 7:04 But then I found that people like Dr. 7:06 Neil Nathan and Lynn Patrick talked about EMS and she was from environmental medicine. 7:13 And then Dr. 7:13 Stephanie McCarter also was also from Environmental Medicine. 7:16 I said, what is this environmental Medicine? 7:18 Look, I didn't hear a lot about it. 7:21 Then Dr McCArthur said look, i am at the Deeper Healing Medical Center. 7:26 Come and see what we're doing. 7:27 It is different and we are seeing people with environmental poisoning. 7:31 We're getting them better, which is a rare thing to hear from my perspective of journalists, because most people have this narrative when they are environmentally injured, 7:42 they're essentially doomed, right? 7:44 The environment made me sick, like I had more toxicity and now my health will never recover. 7:50 And I discovered through, you know, the different stories I heard like that. 7:55 And then other stories who told me, no, I was able to recover and I used XYZ or this other thing, or I saw a thousand different doctors and kind of had 8:06 my own journey, but I wasn't able come back to a relatively good level of health. 8:10 So I said, okay, well, one thing is for sure. 8:14 If you are environmentally injured or you have any chronic issue, maybe you haven't found the path to recovery. 8:22 But so far, I don't believe in, okay, you're doomed to something. 8:32 I saw people with stage 4 cancer tell me, no, I was able to heal. 8:36 So I said, okay, well, at a minimum, we could say, maybe you don't have a lot of chance if you have stage four cancer, but there is one chance. 8:44 And, you know, it's not guaranteed. 8:46 It's that, OK, this magic pill will heal you. 8:49 But we have to keep the hope. 8:51 I want to add to that because it is so important. 8:55 And I'm seeing this a lot where people are coming in with their genetic testing. 9:00 I feel like it's the shiny object right now. 9:02 It's like, I want to get my genetics tested. 9:04 So they're looking for like these snaps or these predispositions to disease and And literally they're like, oh my God, I'm going to get cancer. 9:15 Oh my god, i'm gonna get Alzheimer's. 9:17 I can't do talk, whatever the thing is. 9:19 You see people doing dramatic, proactive, preventative things on a genetic test. 9:27 And this is what they are saying is genetics is the gun, but environment is pulling the trigger. 9:32 The good news is if it is environment, There's a ton that can be done. 9:38 You are not destined for any of these diseases. 9:41 And it's actually, that is the hopeful conversation. 9:45 That's the hopeful conversation of this movie, Body Burden. 9:48 It's like, what's your body burden? 9:50 And maybe, I see a lot of us too. 9:54 My kid just got diagnosed with diabetes. 9:56 They're telling me it is genetic, but we don't have any diabetes on either side of our family. 10:01 How is it genetic? 10:02 I've heard that like literally a hundred times last year. 10:05 And then why are all these kids getting diabetes all of a sudden? 10:12 Are we genetically defective all of a sudden? 10:15 No, that's not it. 10:18 So there's a much bigger, bigger picture, a bigger onion to unpeel back. 10:23 And that what I love about people who are seeing this film is it takes you on a journey. 10:28 I feel like the EMF people are so far down the tunnel. 10:33 that I always say, if you're failing the electromagnetic stuff, because that's a much smaller percentage, or that are cognizant of it, 10:41 that they recognize that it's happening, I should say. 10:43 I think it is affecting everybody, but usually their bucket is really high, their body burden is very high. 10:49 They have a lot of other stuff going on and I really think that is what you really unveiled in this conversation and even your own self-discovery. 10:58 Why I decided to go first, it was an interesting proposition. 11:06 Like, okay, let me go there. 11:08 And then we started thinking about a documentary. 11:11 I'm like, well, what if I discover like one of the places in the world where they can get people with electro hypersensitivity better? 11:19 Isn't that something like everyone keeps telling me on my newsletter that it's impossible at a minimum. 11:24 It's not like they have found, you know, a magic bullet, but they haven't approach, right? 11:29 This approach of environmental medicine. 11:31 I know that they're getting right because I knew Dr. 11:33 McCarter and then I met Dr B and clearly the physicians there. 11:37 When I, when I entered the place, I'm like, okay, these guys know everything is done the right way. 11:44 So at a minimum, it's a good example of how to get things right. 11:47 And I know that even among environmental medicine, there's always practitioners that try to push the envelope. 11:53 I've been told Switzerland, Germany, I Know Deeper Healing is one of these places too, because Dr. 11:59 McCarter and then Dr B told me, well, we have practitioners from functional medicine or from environmental medicines that go see what we do. 12:08 That's the thing with environmental It's one of these things, when I started to look into it and look in to what Dr. 12:14 Ray did, what Doctor Crinian brought, and it's something that has been developing but not nearly enough because the environment, 12:23 it is developing at a snail's pace, but the environments is becoming poisonous and more poison at at rapid pace. 12:29 It is something where a lot of it, is cutting edge, new modalities that they are trying and they see the clinical proof and the move forward. 12:39 It was super interesting for me to just look at, okay, what is kind of the cutting edge of environmental medicine? 12:45 But, you know, this entire project was not supposed to be about anything about me, to to honest. 12:51 So what happened is, in the documentary, we see my results like a year before, a, year after I filmed. 12:59 Wait, wait, before you go down there, because I want to make sure we cover this in this podcast.
Body Burden Documentary and Patient Recovery Stories 13:04 This project wasn't even supposed be a movie. 13:07 It was originally supposed to be a little reveal at an EMF summit. 13:12 It's supposed be short. 13:13 Hey, Nick comes in, we follow what he does. 13:17 He does a big reveal. 13:18 And then all of a sudden, it really was over the course of the year organically. 13:24 So you did that. 13:25 You came in and you had your testing and your detoxification. 13:30 because I almost forgot I had to think about it like oh yeah yeah this thing became so much bigger then when you were here you started talking to patients 13:38 and it's like, oh, yeah, I was in a wheelchair before yeah I would you know really really like the worst cases and then they're recovered and you're like 13:49 wait I want to interview them wait a minute I wanna know what happened that that story is really interesting to me So all of a sudden now it's your story, 13:56 but then it like that woman's story with her daughter and that person's, story and Matt guy's and everyone's stories, their diagnosis is there. 14:06 Everything was very, very different symptomatically and, and manifestation wise, all recovering. 14:13 So let's capture these stories and go, okay. 14:16 And, the other, like the link that, that finds them all together is they were all told nothing could be done. 14:22 Nothing can be. 14:23 and you're stuck with this and whatever things they were doing, and they pretty much hopeless. 14:29 And here, now they're on the other side of it. 14:31 So you are like, no, I think this is maybe a short movie where I combine this together and then all of a sudden as one interview, 14:39 another interview. 14:41 All of a sudden, this turns into Bill Ray, Walter Crinion, Environmental Godfathers, legacy movie, taking the audience on a journey and then showing the 14:53 authentic proof that it's working. 14:55 Recovery is possible. 14:57 As you've been told, it is not. 15:00 A hundred percent. 15:01 And it's not even that. 15:02 I have to shout out, you know, Mike Schatz with Horizon that did an incredible job. 15:07 Obviously it was the filmmaker behind this. 15:10 Still doing edits today. 15:12 We're still texting back and forth because still preparing the movie. 15:16 But I feel like not only it says. 15:19 Part of his vision when he saw the material and started working and then we, you know, all together it was kind of a collective project starting to intertwine 15:29 the storyline where I go to the clinic, which is I think a cool thing to see, but there's not really the human aspect. 15:36 All of the sudden, when I saw interviews, many of them, I cried listening to them and I'm like, I mean, for me, it's Brendan. 15:43 I think it is probably because I just see myself in like 10 years, you know, a little bit more gray. 15:51 The guy couldn't remember his friend's names. 15:55 And just that part, forgetting. 15:57 about things that are important to you, it just gets to me. 16:00 I'm like, Oh my God, imagine if it happened that soon in like you know, my late fees, all of a sudden, I can't even remember my old buddies from primary 16:12 school and that I see every year. 16:15 He was losing everything. 16:18 He touched me. 16:20 But what I wanted to say is that in the end, when I film the documentary and then did follow up testing and got my testing results, 16:30 this is when i got the testing result. 16:32 It took probably a week or two after filming. 16:35 I was back home in Montreal and I saw the PDFs and we had a call with Dr. 16:39 McCarter and i was like, wait a minute, are you telling me I have like these lead levels? 16:46 And I did have brain fog. 16:47 I didn't have acne that has now pretty much resolved at this point that can flare back sometimes, but I had brainfog, you know, 16:55 just very poor ability to concentrate at a computer and it was getting worse. 17:00 So in the end, it wasn't a little bit for me and well, I don't A condition I'm not diagnosed with anything. 17:07 In fact, I did some testing, some basic testing and you know, my hair mineral analysis was very good. 17:14 So I had been eating mostly organic for what 15 years. 17:20 I mean, it was early to all these precautionary measures from environmental medicine. 17:26 But even then I find the lead super elevated and the mercury fairly elevated than mycotoxins. 17:33 And it made me realize, geez, it's going to turn into something else. 17:36 So in the end, because the editing process took a long time, I was able to film what is my, you know, my own conclusion a year after. 17:45 I'm just in a much better place. 17:48 Very powerful. 17:50 And that's the thing that powerful. 17:51 Look, if you have a condition, it can give you hope that, well, If I lower my body burden, the condition might get better or resolved itself. 18:00 All chronic conditions have one component of it that is causal through the environment. 18:06 That's not even the radical thing to say. 18:08 At least if have lead exposure, It can impact your pancreas, blood sugar, it can impact Alzheimer's. 18:17 We know all these things, but the science is severely lacking to make the link between all of these different environmental toxins, 18:25 how they play with each other, and then how that in turn will impact your risk of chronic disease. 18:31 But if we push the chronic diseases aside, How are you underperforming in your life? 18:37 I realized, oh my God, I was like, Mildly excited about projects, going through the motions. 18:48 I have to tell you, Danielle, it's almost funny because we talk almost every month, sometimes just to organize things and no business meetings, 18:59 but we haven't updated each other about me personally. 19:02 But at one point I had to rewatch the movie and I cried because I realized where was I? 19:09 Where I was, yep. 19:11 That's, it's powerful. 19:12 It's only after the fact. 19:14 Once you, once your brain fog lifts, you have to deal with the. 19:19 Like, why was I behaving a certain way? 19:21 Like feeling depressed, not really not answering people for weeks because I felt overwhelmed and maybe not being as present with my wife as I wanted to 19:33 be and being, mildly happy at a maximum and mild, unhappy most of the time. 19:38 And I'm like, what's wrong with me? 19:40 Right. 19:41 Like just because if your brain is not online and me as an entrepreneur, I have to deal with my business growth with, my personal organization. 19:51 Like no one looks after me. 19:53 No one pays me a salary. 19:55 So I had a stressful life and I'd have be on to be able to grow each aspect. 19:59 And I wasn't really doing a good job at it all. 20:03 I was feeling quite overwhelmed even through the video shoot and everything. 20:08 It's just I was dealing with so many things and in this sort of anxious energy. 20:13 And now I'm just in a much better place where to be fair, I am not necessarily calmer. 20:18 I feel like I m getting overexcited about, you know, research. 20:21 That's like the passion. 20:23 but I'm able to just show up more in every single aspect of my life. 20:28 And that is not, you know, curing a disease per se or anything like that, but it's precious. 20:34 It's something that I think everyone listening to this probably want for themselves. 20:37 Yes. 20:38 Do you how many guys, and in fact, I just did two, just dropped two podcasts that are one guy's name is Stark and one guys name was Chip and they both 20:46 talk about this for men. 20:47 They're both like, I have a business, I'm a high performer, i have wife,i have kids,I have all this stuff and their pressure and they were like I didn't 20:56 realize how bad I was until i was better because you get there slowly, right?
Nick's Own Testing and Health Improvements 21:01 The decline is almost imperceptible. 21:04 It's like a moodier, a little more tired and then you have people like oh you're getting older, oh, you are getting in your 30s,oh you getting your 40s 21:12 and all of a sudden you like this is me now. 21:14 You almost look back at an old picture and be like, oh yeah, it used to be so much more whatever, energetic. 21:19 But when you come out on the other side of it, you really feel it because you're doing it somewhat quickly where the decline is very long and floggy. 21:27 You know, and like both of the guys said this separately, they're like, I wish I didn't wait so long. 21:33 I wished I hadn't waited till I was broken. 21:35 Like that was the gift that you got. 21:37 You weren't, you were on a slow decline, but you weren' broken, You caught it and you're were like okay, yeah. 21:44 And now you are like whoa, whoa I don't even realize how bad I am. 21:47 This, when I talked to regular people, They're all sluggish. 21:52 Why is everyone, I say they're propping their eyes up with Adderall and coffee, like literally. 21:57 And, you know, we're not meant to lose our, Like I've had people like, it's between the bun with cheese. 22:04 I'm like a hamburger. 22:05 They were like yeah, want a hamburgers. 22:07 We can't think of the word. 22:09 Like you said, You can think your friend's name. 22:12 You know your brain's not working, but you're like what's going on with me? 22:16 You it not normal. 22:18 It's that normal? 22:20 And it can be very, very different. 22:22 And the movie is amazing at showing that. 22:25 Yeah, and you know what I realize is the more brain capacity you unlock, if you can remove some of this toxic sludge. 22:34 To be fair, I mean, my latest test a year and a half later, when it comes to lead, it is primarily stored in bones. 22:41 In fact, now I have more mental capacity to look at, wait a minute, that I had this lead in my body, what could it impact? 22:48 blood sugar regulation, which is a problem for me. 22:51 I have pancreas, inflammatory markers are high and I was like, what is that? 22:57 And part of it is mold also that can also have a link with the pancrea. 23:02 So anyway, I'm learning about what this burden is doing to my body, but I have more mental capacity to think about how I used to, 23:10 think and to solve my problems. 23:13 And that's the kind of loop that I realized I was in is where your mental, capacity declines and then your ability to get out of this rut declives too 23:24 at the same time. 23:25 So for some people, it is paroling down and down, and eventually you're like, well, you know, anyway, health is kind, of set in stone. 23:34 I'm getting older. 23:36 You don't have clarity about the fact that, wait a minute, something is wrong here and maybe I should seek help. 23:41 But then are you finding the right help, right? 23:43 Yeah, it's finding that right. 23:45 Oh my God. 23:45 It's stuff. 23:47 And this is why everyone's on there buying their supplements from the TikTok shop because they're watching from real in bed while they were kind of half 23:55 out of it. 23:55 You're like, oh, that guy, the girl said it was great. 23:58 I'm going to order it for 30 bucks. 24:00 This is where people are. 24:01 They're just desperate for like But just some guidance, you know, what do I do? 24:07 You know I feel Danielle like maybe if I could have redone the movie I would have done it a little bit differently. 24:13 Some people told me, oh I wish you threw out the documentary you would've learned more things and things like that. 24:19 Maybe but at the end, I wanted to leave people with practical steps because what has been the biggest impact for me the visit that Deeper Healing was like 24:28 what three, four days of treatment, that's not enough to lower a body burden. 24:32 It has to be the work afterwards. 24:33 So for me, for example, if I could tell a single thing that made the difference is a year and a half of three saunas per week. 24:40 45 minutes I sweat you know my butt off and it's a non-negotiable and when I didn't start right away I was again even knowing the test results it was tough 24:55 to incorporate that and every morning I go and pick up and go drive Elliot to school and right afterwards, I have a place where I do the sauna and I wipe 25:07 myself off exactly the way I've learned from environmental medicine physicians and have been doing it. 25:12 And I feel like it's probably one of the strongest modalities I use. 25:16 I used a lot of other things, but at least that is a constant of like, okay, now atleast I'm opening this excretion pathway that before I mean, 25:25 to be fair, I told it, you know, was, very honest in the documentary. 25:29 I think my sauna used before was something like six times per year, and it was just completely insufficient. 25:37 How can you move the needle if you just open your detox pathways that way, like, six time per years? 25:43 It doesn't work. 25:44 And then I started learning about the recommendations of environmental medicine physicians, You know, looked at this study where Dr. 25:52 Walter Crinion would take certain patients that are so sick, it would have them under physician supervision, to be fair, 25:59 but twice per day was the sauna routine for some of these people short term. 26:05 So he had specific ways of saying, okay, these, people are, so overwhelmed with toxins that we have to find other excretion pathways. 26:13 Anyway, consistency is really what I learned from this entire experience. 26:19 It's consistency in what you drink, your tap water, is it filtered? 26:25 Is it not? 26:25 This consistency and what to breathe. 26:27 Is the air full of toxins or is a cleaner? 26:31 And it's a consistency. 26:33 And what do you do? 26:34 Do you move your body? 26:35 So I've been just steadily getting better and more disciplined on these things that I know will work. 26:42 I think the lifestyle stuff can't be minimized. 26:44 And one of the things, a deeper healing mission is to help heal the sick, but to prevent everyone else from becoming so. 26:51 Two of things that I want the listeners to hear is, because these are free and they're just things you can just incorporate. 26:59 We just created the body burden assessment, which is what are my body burdens? 27:04 It's going to ask you, it's a quiz, I feel like it is 38 questions and you get a report. 27:10 for free on like, what are your issues that are better? 27:15 And it does two things. 27:16 One, it helps them become aware by the questions themselves. 27:19 Like, yeah, do I run the exhaust fan for 20 to 30 minutes to an hour after I shower? 27:23 Or do i even have an exhaust fans? 27:25 You know, as just one example. 27:27 And then the other thing is, just what you said, clean air, water, food, you know, using your money to, like people say to me all the time, 27:38 is my refrigerator filled or any good? 27:40 It's really hard to find what is an actual good product. 27:44 So we have a guidebook for free that just has like, how do you figure out what's in your water? 27:50 All the links are live. 27:51 If you're on a well, your test it this way. 27:53 Your municipality, this is where you get your reports. 27:56 And just knowing what you're dealing with. 27:58 And then you are like, okay, my water's crap.
Lowering Toxic Load Through Daily Habits 28:00 What's great is that you can get a report from any municipality. 28:03 Then you know your water is crap, well then how am I going to filter it? 28:07 Okay, here's the cheap way, and here is a whole house filter. 28:10 So these are things that, like you said, everyone starts off overwhelmed. 28:13 You just do one thing at a time. 28:15 I'm just going get my clean up. 28:19 You know, I'm going to do better buying organic, whatever it is. 28:22 You just, you start. 28:24 And as you, cause you know you were already down the road, so was I. 28:28 Then I found my lead. 28:29 I have a very similar story. 28:31 Now I've been chipping away at my led. 28:32 My brain functions better. 28:34 and I know like, yeah, on 50, but guess what? 28:37 I am not worried about aging because I looking under the hood. 28:41 Everyone deserves that.I say it all the time. 28:45 I saw some TikTok guy like, everyone, if you haven't checked your medals yet, it's true. 28:50 He's right. 28:51 Everyone deserves that before they're, you know, in the memory care facility in their seventies. 28:56 They deserve to know like do I have an issue? 28:59 I believe this is, I believed this movie is elevating and COVID is a big gift of that. 29:06 of really knowing that you're on your own and you gotta be vigilant about what you are doing. 29:13 No one's out there protecting you. 29:14 You gotta protect your family. 29:16 And how am I gonna do that? 29:20 Clean air, clean food, and clean water. 29:22 That's the easy start. 29:24 Yeah. 29:26 And, and those resources are out there. 29:28 When I always say like, people ask me a million times about this one and that one, just like the EMF stuff. 29:34 There's a lot of marketing, there's lot a chatter, a there a lots of noise, lot confusion. 29:39 So it's best to get your advice from people who have really gone down the rabbit hole. 29:46 like you have, and kind of know, like, okay, at least if I'm going to spend money on something, I know that it's going work. 29:52 And this is the world we're in. 29:55 What I think is funny is I still talk to people who are like are they really toxins? 29:59 I mean, really? 30:00 Like, oh dear mother of God. 30:04 That's true. 30:05 And you know, what I've been doing in the last, I must say, two months is organizing my research database. 30:13 A lot of it's using AI because I have too many documents. 30:17 The more I dig into what is accumulating in human body, the more alarmed I am. 30:23 because I didn't know. 30:24 I looked into PFAS with a half-life of what is it nine years or five years, years in the body with excretion routes that are very difficult and it doesn't 30:35 go out in sweat that easily. 30:37 And then you look okay well this is just one class of things. 30:41 What about lead? 30:42 stored in bones okay it's stored and bones is it stable in Bones no there is a bone turnover that is natural that it is just 20 something day cycle so 30:52 that lead will leave your body recirculate to wreak havoc and then restore in bone and I'm like My God. 31:00 So you're not even protected. 31:01 It's not like your lead and bone is just hanging out there and you are like, oh, yes, it's stored at least. 31:08 it is stored, but it also wreaking havoc. 31:10 And then, of course, is not just stored in bones, It could be in other tissues. 31:15 and it something that is even controversial to say that lead is extremely neurotoxic. 31:21 I'm saying this now and I am like uh-oh. 31:24 I'm alarmed myself at what I am saying, right? 31:26 So the reality is that it's extremely uncontroversial to say that we each have a body burden. 31:34 We don't know to what extent. 31:36 No one has the, probably the budget or the time to test for every single chemical that exists. 31:44 It's not even that useful, but we have to, I think a framework where you say, okay, I surely have more toxins in my body than I should. 31:54 The amount that should be there is near zero. 31:57 Back in ancestral times, it wouldn't be these modern exposures. 32:01 So all of them need to go to as close to zero as possible. 32:06 Everyone can therefore benefit from looking at strategies that are time tested, strategy of avoidance. 32:12 by filtering out your water avoidance, the strategy of opening up detox pathways by moving your body or by, you know, sweating more. 32:22 Like these things are not controversial either. 32:25 What is controversial, I think, is just health authorities are still completely stuck in a paradigm that was never useful to start with, 32:35 but like studying one single toxin and the impact on one, single disease category. 32:41 We are so far behind. 32:44 So the reality yes and it's a sad and dramatic reality is that it is up to us to take control of that and to be loud because eventually I have great hope 32:57 and I'm trying to connect with the right people that You know, environmental medicine needs to make it to public health in a big way because the population 33:06 is not getting better. 33:07 And while we have all these different tools, I hear about peptides and you know that. 33:14 Yeah, maybe some of them can help alleviate symptoms, but the fundamentals need to include environmental medicines. 33:21 This is what I'm convinced about and it needs to include EMFs. 33:24 And that's part of what excites me is, you know, the physicians know about toxic exposures and they know the importance of the environment and then the 33:33 important of removing the bad stuff from the body, bringing the good in. 33:37 I just feel like this is a paradigm that needs make it everywhere. 33:41 So that is my hope that the movie will contribute to that at least a little bit. 33:46 It's a mission and it's been interesting where the past two years, we've had a lot of physicians referring their patients to deeper healing. 33:53 They are recognizing, I don't know what to do with this patient who's super sick and I'm not trained in environment. 34:00 I know I am out of my depth. 34:06 person and I'm like, okay, this is cool. 34:09 So they're really starting the educated physician, practitioner, naturopath, you know, nurse practitioner. 34:17 They're, really, starting to recognize, Okay, This is a missing part of what I've learned. 34:23 And I really think that we're barreling towards this becoming part of medical education, this, becoming, part, of naturopathic education that environmental 34:36 medicine will actually be one of the categories that you can specialize in and know deeply because as you said we are we're an epidemic of people who are 34:47 sick from environmental factors and then where do you go what do, you know I mean, we're talking to people all over the world and they're like, 34:54 there's nowhere to go. 34:55 It's just, it's not, It is really, really not. 34:58 So I do think that has been the greatest gift of COVID.
Practical Resources and the Body Burden Quiz 35:02 I think it has a really big gift. 35:04 And I love the work that like Food Aid is doing. 35:07 Like the people who are really like taking something, like whether it is Roundup or they are taking on the EMFs. 35:15 Thank you for taking on the food or taking the guys or just one aspect of what's going on. 35:22 Because at the end of the day, no matter how much cleaning up we do, which you're doing and I'm doing personally, I am still living in the same world as 35:29 everyone else. 35:30 So this is why you need regular sauna. 35:35 You could sit here and do a bunch of rejuvenates and get your body, get you organs all cleaned out. 35:39 But guess what? 35:40 You're back out in the world again. 35:42 So we also have to fight the fight of, we don't want this in our world. 35:46 We don' want PFAS in out world, you know? 35:49 Watching the movie, I'll never forget when I watched The Devil We Know, which was, it's a movie. 35:55 It's years old, but it was about the PFAs journey. 35:59 And you get to the end of the move, and they're basically like, This can't be removed from the body. 36:04 It has a super long life in the world. 36:07 And they just changed the name and they're still doing it. 36:10 You're like, what? 36:14 You think you're watching something that's going to have a nice bow at the end. 36:18 Like, oh, and it's all better now. 36:19 No, not. 36:20 So, you know, I think a lot of people who feel overwhelmed are kind of like I don't want to look at that. 36:27 I say to people all the time, like, hey, I get it. 36:31 Ignorance is bliss. 36:32 It doesn't make it untrue if you ignore it, right? 36:37 It's still happening whether you ignored it or not. 36:41 so you can do something about it or not, and you will pay the price or no. 36:46 So I like to be an educated person. 36:48 I say I'd like choose my toxins. 36:54 But I don't want to choose a cleaner and a toothpaste. 36:56 You know, I want those things to not hurt me. 36:58 Even with the food, you know. 36:59 Do you have to eat perfectly clean all the time? 37:01 No, everybody has their thing. 37:02 And it's not about It's not about not living, you know, it's about having a long life well lived. 37:16 And that's what I love about the movie. 37:18 Nikki did such a good job. 37:20 Michael did a such good a job, I'm very proud of the film and I really gonna shout it from the rooftops. 37:27 Everyone needs to see that movie, they need to understand for their benefit of their children, their families and their future. 37:35 and fight the fight every day. 37:37 Not just food, babe, and not just, there are these people who are really fighting hard, but we need to sign their petitions and get behind them as well. 37:46 We don't want this. 37:48 we don' want it. 37:48 And we deserve better. 37:51 Exactly. 37:52 And I feel like the movie is filling kind of a gap in that entire conversation of we're getting poisoned. 37:59 Yes, we are. 38:00 We have to fight against the polluters, including, for me, it's the telecoms. 38:06 For Food Baby, its like Monsanto and these pesticide corporations. 38:11 But what do we do? 38:13 in the meantime, to start undoing some of the damage that we have inside us. 38:18 And that's the accumulation of that body burden. 38:22 I feel like there's not a lot of people who talk about that framework that exists. 38:28 It's a seven-day green smoothie diet, it's just not that. 38:35 a certain framework and that framework is environmental medicine, I'm convinced of it. 38:40 I just hope that many people start looking into it and at a minimum start taking their personal intake of toxins more seriously and do what they can to 38:50 get them out. 38:51 And I know it is a daunting journey, but for a lot of people, they told me Okay, well, at least now I know and I'm inspired to do more and see if I can 39:01 feel better, right? 39:02 Because in the end, I want to spin it as a positive here. 39:05 It's not just about, you know, removing these toxins and, blaming these polluters. 39:11 Can you feel you better now while you have a life to live? 39:14 You can. 39:14 I am the example and if you tell me that Maybe in two years, I'll feel even cleaner here, especially in my mind, i'll be unstoppable. 39:26 Like I love it. 39:27 I loved the possibility of just feeling better and better. 39:30 And it makes you able when you're cleaner in your head makes, you are able to cope with the fact that yeah, it is a messed up world. 39:39 Yes. 39:40 The pollution is there and there's a lot of injustice. 39:44 You know, the huge march against Monsanto people versus poison. 39:48 Yesterday, I'm going to have to look at what happened. 39:50 I know so many thousands of people, you know are fighting against this nonsense. 39:56 But the thing is if you clean yourself up and you become, have more mental capacity, then you can contribute even more. 40:04 So we have two work on that individually to be able to contribute to this world. 40:08 At the end of the day, we vote with our dollars. 40:11 We vote our money. 40:12 Dr. 40:13 B says all the time, he's like, there's the mirror and the window. 40:17 And I love that. 40:18 He's, like you can't control what's going on outside the windows, but you control with going in front of a mirror. 40:23 So what do you do with that? 40:25 You control how you spend your money, you controlled what you bring into your environment, and you controls your daily decisions. 40:33 How am I going to live my life? 40:35 And your health is priceless. 40:38 Everyone agrees on that and the more that we just shed the overwhelm and just take it one step at a time, you know, I'm going to switch out this for that. 40:50 And there's loads of help out there. 40:52 I would say the easiest, quickest thing to do is take the toxin quiz. 40:56 See what your areas are. 40:58 Okay, it'll tell you for free.
Closing Thoughts and Call to Action 41:01 What's your number one driver? 41:03 What can you do about that today? 41:05 These are resources right at your fingertips. 41:07 They take minutes. 41:08 So these are things that are available to help guide you down the right path. 41:13 And as we continue these conversations, not just Nick and Danielle and deeper healing and Dr. 41:20 McCarter and all the pioneers that are out there, Dr McCollough, everybody, you know, it's going to just become more mainstream. 41:27 People are going have a better understanding. 41:29 They're going make better decisions, which is going change the market. 41:32 That's what changes the markets. 41:33 And that's when everyone's load goes down. 41:38 So I think that's a great way to close it up. 41:40 If you have not signed up to see this movie, Body Burden, The Toxins We Carry, that is one hour of your life that it's worth it. 41:48 I know you guys are all watching shows, binge-watching shows that aren't changing your lives. 41:52 This can change your And then there's an eight minute quiz that'll help you determine what you need to do. 41:59 If you're really sick out there, deeper healing's there to help. 42:02 And every day, everyone needs to make better lifestyle choices. 42:06 Nick, you are a shining example of what can happen, what could happen. 42:10 Now every aspect of your life can benefit. 42:13 Your marriage, your parenting, work, everything. 42:17 That's what we all want. 42:18 We all need quality life. 42:20 It's as simple as that. 42:22 You're amazing. 42:23 I'm very grateful to you. 42:27 Who knocks on the door and says, can I make a movie about what you're doing? 42:31 I don't know. 42:33 Yeah, it was kind of crazy. 42:34 That is kind crazy! 42:36 DeeperHandling did not sponsor this movie. 42:38 This is Nick Penalt made this. 42:41 It's to help as many people as possible wake up. 42:44 So good job. 42:45 Good job, amazing work. 42:47 And I am very Thank you, Danielle. 42:50 Thanks for having me and I hope that people learn a thing or two and help spread the word to everyone they know, of course. 42:57 Well, I want to add one more thing. 42:58 I wanna also mention we have a foundation. 43:02 The other thing that comes up all the time is the cost. 43:05 And I can tell you for deeper healing, we're all about getting people what they need. 43:10 So if someone cannot afford it, you have foundation where patients pay it forward and we pay forward by putting into a to help pay for people who cannot 43:20 afford it. 43:21 Because everyone deserves to live their best life. 43:24 So I gotta put that plug in there. 43:26 Okay, sign up for the movie. 43:28 All the links are gonna be below. 43:29 And Nick, thank you so much. 43:31 Thanks so for having me, Danielle. 43:33 It's a pleasure. 43:34 We hope this episode inspired you. 43:36 Here's how to go deeper. 43:37 Visit deeperhealing.com to become a patient. 43:40 Online we have loads of courses and a free toxin quiz. 43:43 Subscribe and please, please share this episode with someone who needs it. 43:48 It's always that one-on-one support that really gets people to find deeper healing. 44:00 Remember, this is educational content, not medical advice. 44:03 The information shared here should be discussed with your own personal healthcare provider. 44:08 If you're excited by listening to the medical experts or the personal recovery stories on here and you want to start your deeper healing journey, 44:16 go to deeperhealing.com and start the process.
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