Protect Your Gut From Parasitic Infections

Jaban Moore, DC

Well, thanks for having me on here. I am excited. I love talking about parasites. This is probably one of my favorite topics, and I am just excited to do all the educating that I can.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Awesome. Well, let us jump into how to get people started on this when they are new to the topic of parasites. Let us jam right through that part so we can get to some advanced stuff. What are some common symptoms and signs of parasites? If people do not already know how to recognize this.

Jaban Moore, DC

Yes. Parasites are a broad category. There are little, tiny ones. There are big, long worm ones. Here’s a fun one. If you poop out a parasite and you can see it, or if you have little rice granules that are coming out, but you did not eat rice, That is a sign of a parasite, right? I have a bunch of college kids. I was working with, one time, and one said, Oh, I got drunk. I went to the bathroom, and I saw little skins in the stool—little, what looked like tomato skins. I saw a little rice. I was like, Oh, that could be a parasite. You just flushed them out. You had a nice little alcohol flush there. I wouldn’t recommend it. But in some other ones, if you have eczema on your skin, this is a big one. If you have itching on your buttocks or if you have bloating, cramping, diarrhea, or constipation, these are common signs of parasites because some parasites release endotoxins that actually stop you from pooping so they can stay in their warm, moist, food-filled habitat, your gut. Those are some of the really common ones. Also, if you are ending up with little dots, little red dots, and little white heads, that can be Candida, but it can also be there because of parasites in your gut. I see skin symptoms and gut symptoms. I am quickly thinking of parasites. If you have liver issues where you are not detoxing or draining well and you feel there is some pressure under your ribs on the right side where the liver is, you have some gall bladder back up. I am thinking, Do you have liver fluid? What is going on with that area? Detox and those organs? Because parasites love to just have a new habitat there.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Wow. That is so beautifully said. Do you want to add anything about emotional symptoms that people might notice, too, if they have gut parasites?

Jaban Moore, DC

Oh, for sure. I dove in, and I actually got certified in acupuncture out of school, and one of the big things is that the liver is the organ of anger. When you are angry all the time, your liver is probably stressed. Well, that stress could come from parasites being there, or maybe life has actually got some stuff going on where you are angry for a good reason. Well, that is changing the energy and the meridians of the liver, and that is going to make it more susceptible to infections around the liver. The gallbladder is resentment, right? If you are resenting people because something happened and you are holding on to that grudge, you are weakening the gallbladder so that it cannot do its job so well when it comes to storing the bile and being able to clean itself out so you do not end up developing stones. I think a lot about how when people get sick, they are angry about it, which is understandable. I mean, I was sick myself. I was pretty upset that I was sick. But it is learning to be on the journey and accept where you are while still working toward getting well. We are not going to just accept that and sit there. We are working toward getting well, but not letting that stress your nervous system and cause more trauma and dysfunction, which is what I see in a lot of people. I will be working with clients, and each client gets their own version of me. But some clients are saying, Whoa, let us not see things like that. Let us turn that around and say, Okay, I am sick now. This is not where I am going to be, but I made a little progress, so I am excited about that progress.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Yes, that is so important. Let us make sure we unpack more of that today because, well, there is the original trauma to the body, right? Whether it was mental, emotional, or environmental that got us out of health and wellness, and then there is all the trauma that comes after that, that is where we try so hard to get well; we try all these things that do not work. We try different medical paradigms until we find the one that fits us the best. Whether it is allopathic or natural health, we all have to go on that journey. What I see so often, and you and I talk about this all the time, is that additional chronic illness trauma they get plate on top of everything. That’s really interesting. You’ve got to unpack that piece, right?

Jaban Moore, DC

For sure. I tell people all the time, Your immune system must have PTSD, and I go, Oh, come on, let us think about this. You’ve been sick for so long. It is just traumatizing. It is stuck with this repetitive problem. People come in. Well, I’ve seen people for five years, ten years, and 20 years. I don’t even know if I can get well. How can I trust you? I go. First of all, I do not want to just be your next doctor. I want to be your last doctor for this illness. You may get to see other people later on, but I would not be the last one with this problem. The way that I am going to do that is by asking, Do you live in a place where you can heal? Are you getting yourself out of fight or flight? Because if you are stuck in fight or flight, which parasites can put you there? Gut dysbiosis could put you there; mold toxicity can put you there; childhood trauma or overworking yourself, for not eating enough, or working out too hard can put you into fight or flight. When you are there, you are not in parasympathetic states, which are: rest, digest, recover, and heal. 

Notice I am talking really fast and excited about this fight or flight because that is what you are doing. You are in a defense mechanism. You were tapped on the shoulder, and you jumped out of your chair. You are anxious, you are, and all of that. But then, when you rest, digest, and heal, it is chill, it is slower, it is relaxing, and then your body can go and focus on recovery. Many people I worked with have never gotten even close to that. They never even worked on that. Why won’t the parasites go away? I am, because you are not letting your body get to a state where it can focus on the parasites. Even though you are doing the cleanses, even though you are doing the detox, even though you are eating well and trying to sleep, you are not in the rest, relax, and heal stage. You’re still in; I am not well now, and it is got to be yesterday that I get well. When you get stuck there, it is always stressed. That stress weighs on your energy system and causes it to not be able to get to the actual work you are trying to do.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

That is really beautifully said. When you think about it, that really is the foundation to healing, right? When somebody finally knows that they have parasites, that can take years and decades to actually figure that out. The parasites are part of driving those underlying symptoms for you. They have often actually been blamed for other conditions and other even mental and emotional conditions. For myself, I was misdiagnosed with a lot of mental and emotional issues that were really toxicity-driven, trauma-driven, and parasite-driven. I really feel for the people in the audience who are going through there right now. I hope some light bulbs are going to go off for you today in this interview because I am going to give Dr. Jaban a chance to mythbust about what parasites look like, what they do, and how these are being misunderstood by our practitioners today so that you can actually support the nervous system and see some really phenomenal progress that lasts. Why don’t we start there, Jaban? Why don’t we give you a chance to do myth-busting? Because you are so good at it.

Jaban Moore, DC

The myth-busting, as I always call it, parasite one-on-one. Parasites are not in westernized countries. Total myth, right? Parasites are everywhere. If you have a cat, dog, horse, ferret, or whatever, you probably take it to the vet. The vet does some sort of antiparasitic protocol with them one or two times a year. You can see the parasites coming out. Guess what? If you have an indoor cat or dog, it is eating food that has been tested for parasites more than anything, you are eating. Therefore, it is getting parasites from the environment that you live in, and you are not special. You are probably more susceptible to parasites than your dog, cat, or whatever because you have more stress, right? They are just chilling in the sun. Relax and live day to day. You were stressed from work and kids and family and society and policy, whatever it is, which decreased your hydrochloric acid, making you susceptible to parasites. You were probably were told eventually to take some sort of antacid, which makes you even more susceptible to parasites. You have taken antibiotics; it wipes out your gut, and there are specific bacteria that protect you from parasites. Those antibiotics can help wipe them out. then you are more susceptible.

It does not matter if you are eating or meant to, if you are eating meat or vegetables. Because meat, if you do not cook it all the way to sushi, or if your meat is cooked at medium or rare, Okay, yes. Parasites are in there, but your gut is supposed to protect you. But if you eat raw vegetables, you are not any safer because of parasites; where there are spores on those vegetables and all over our fruit. Then you eat that just the same as you eat the meat, and now that you get them in, it does not matter what you are eating. By the way, parasites now come from around the world, and food now comes from around the world. Where does your food come from when you live in Michigan, Canada, or anywhere where there is a winter? It is coming from the south: India, Mexico, or South America. You are importing parasites. Guess what? They do not just jump off that fruit when you cross the state line or the country’s border; they come on through, unfortunately for us and unfortunately for the FDA or whoever is saying, Oh, parasites are not here.

As we keep going on, we find parasites in the stool for testing. Parasite stool testing is not great. Let us just say it up front: It is not great. There are tons of stool samples, and most of them, except for maybe one of them out there, are looked at by a technician. A technician who is trained to swipe the top of the poop off of the sample puts it under a microscope. They get three minutes. They are looking for ovum. They are not looking for parts of the parasite. They are not actually visually, looking at the stool sample itself. Once those three minutes are up, they are done. They move on. If they did not see an egg, they moved on. They are not looking for all the other parts of a parasite. The second part of that is that parasites breakdown over time. If you wait more than a few hours after the sample is given, that parasite structure is starting to break down, and you are not going to see it. Again, unless you are sending it to a pathologist who knows what they are looking for and is going to spend time on your sample and not just look for eggs, stool samples do not find parasites. You have to do more of a symptomatic diagnosis than stool sample-type testing. They are here. They are hard to find. What other things do I need to go over?

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

I mean, those are the biggest ones. I want to make sure we get time to talk to folks today who are listening about this. Slow down and think about if you have a chronic gut condition and that is why you are here at the summit, or if you are a practitioner that supports people with chronic gut issues and you realize the way you are talking is not working the way that it used to. Let us consider why some of those factors would be that parasites seem to be more prevalent and persistent now than they were maybe a couple of decades ago.

Jaban Moore, DC

Just to keep running off of that list, let us think about what makes your body vulnerable to parasites, or why would your body want parasites to be in it? There are two pieces. One vulnerability, I went over was that our digestive tracks are just are not what they used to be from antibiotics and anti-acids and then stress. That is part of it. But then, our environment is so much more toxic now, and parasites thrive on heavy metals. Radioactive elements and environmental toxins: They love it; it is food for them. Your body may bring parasites in so that it cannot absorb all those toxins. In the olden days, when we were not in a constantly evolving toxic soup, your body was like, Okay, I am done. Push the parasite out. It has sucked up all the metals and everything. then we do not have this pathogenic infection situation. It is being used symbiotically. Now our body brings it in, and the parasite soaks up all the can, and then it has babies, and then those soak up all the can. Then they have babies, and they soak up all they can because there is a constant new source of toxin in our environment every single day. What used to be a symbiotic relationship then turns into a pathogenic parasitic relationship. They do not go anywhere because our body needs more and more of them, which overwhelms us and makes us sick, and we have symptoms. That is another piece of the puzzle.

Then let us just talk about stress for another moment. Again, parasites enter the body when you are stressed, and when they do, they release different types of toxins that make you want to go toward certain behaviors. Let us talk about a mouse study that was done because I cannot do this to humans. Scientists cannot do this to humans; they actually put toxoplasmosis in the brains or in the bodies, and they went to the brains of mice. Then the mouse, because it wants to be an infection for cats, would actually run out in front of cats and get eaten so that that parasite could then get into the cat, where it wanted to be the final host. 

This is showing you that organisms can help control what you are doing. If you are craving sugar all the time, is that yeast? Is that a parasite? If you get more irritable and have more symptoms around a full moon, is it because the life cycle of a parasite is actually more active during that full moon? That’s why we do full moon phases. That is why you have those types of cleanses. These organisms actually significantly affect us because of a few other ways that this happens when serotonin goes up in the body, which is during certain times of the cycle of your day or of the moon cycle: they are more active, they love dopamine, and they eat up Gaba. Gaba is a calming neurotransmitter. They eat it up, and then you are not calm anymore. You are irritable, you are angry, you are reactive, and you are stressed. Parasites affect your neurotransmitters. They can cause dial to your bacteria, and they thrive on your stress because it weakens your system both from the gut and also from an energetic standpoint. If you look at Chinese medicine, meridian therapy, or acupuncture, there are so many reasons why parasites are on the rise. If you are not doing something to protect your body, they are just going to take advantage. You are going to be a great host. I always tell people, on how not to be a parasite hosts. That needs to be one of our thought processes.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Absolutely. Let us actually dive into that and hack it, because I really wanted to give you a chance to talk about the mistakes that people make when addressing parasites. Let us talk about that piece and how not to be a good host.

Jaban Moore, DC

Well, how to not be a good host? We start with step one, which is living in a clean environment. You need to make sure that your air is clean. If you have mold in your house, clean it up. I have had clients who were simply getting out of a moldy environment. I just talked to this one client two days ago. We have been working together. She has been seeing some progress, but she works in a police station where the basement is full of mold, and they won’t do anything about it, and she is just stuck. She took a week’s vacation. Her symptoms were cut in half just from the air being cleaner, so mold can be a major problem. If your water supply, if it is toxic, you are going to stay sick. I had a whole family that had radioactive water. They had a reverse osmosis system in their house, but that wasn’t good enough to clean out the radium in their water supply. We saw it on their hair tests, so we knew it was there. Switched over to Distilled. Within two weeks, their 15-year-old daughter went from having a stomachache every day to I am acting out in school like the PANS, brain inflammation-type symptoms, to a calmed-stomach better. Within six months, she was doing Tough Mudders, working out, getting ripped, getting excited about life, and planning her college. I mean, it just went from this—I do not want to say screw up—to this kid that was acting out of what every parent dreams of having—being successful, getting good grades, and signing the future. Toxic water and toxic air. Then your hygiene products and your food products both need to be nontoxic. By nontoxic, it means organic or chemical substances that do not affect you negatively. That is the environment that you live in. That is one way to be a really good host—how not to be a bad host. I cannot even say the words, right?

Then the next piece is the emotional piece. If you have had trauma, if you are overstressed in yourself with work or family, or if you have parasites in your life, I am not talking about single-cellular or worm-type organisms to talk about people; you need to get rid of the energy suckers in your life or put up boundaries around them that allow you to stay calm and feel good. We need to train our nervous system to be in a healthy state so that it is adaptable. Why does this happen? What does it mean? Why is it important? Let us just think about a scale of 0 to 100. If you had no stressors in your life, which would be infections, toxins, traumas, and toxic air, all the things we talked about would be zero. None of us live there. If we are at 50, right? If we are dealing with 50, then you have 50 that you can adapt to. 50% of adaptation in your body. If something happens in your life and it takes up 20 years, you are still under that. My body’s got this level right. I think of this as weight training because that is how my brain works. I can do a back squat up to 2.25 tons at a time; in high school, that was 70 times. I can do that a lot. But if you put 3.15, I cannot do too much, and as much as I can still do it, I am good. Now if you stress me out with more weight—you put 600 pounds on—it is going to crush me. When I get crushed down to the ground and I cannot stand back up. That is where a lot of us, either chronically ill, we used our pull on that stuff off. When you start pulling that weight off of there, when it gets down to about 400 pounds, I am going to stand up. No problem. Now, how many of those can I do? Not a lot. I am still tired. I still have symptoms. As you pull off more, I can start moving and living my life. You pull off more than to 2.25. I am pretty good. You could take it down to the bar. I could run, jump, and do all the things I want to do. That is you. That is how you become a bad host.

We pull all the junk off the bar, where you can get strong. It is the environmental stuff; it is the stress stuff. But after those two pieces are taken care of, for those who are having symptoms today, your body’s been weakened long enough. You have picked up bacterial infections, fungal infections, parasitic infections, and any other toxins that your body has accumulated from these other pieces—the metals and the radioactive elements you have accumulated. We have to start cleaning that out. That is why people, as soon as they go into a safe environment and feel safe within the nervous system, are not well yet. We’ve got to keep cleaning that stuff out. Once you empty that bucket, I can tell you that life is good. Life is really good because you are adaptable. You can respond to anything that comes at you. It does not hit you so hard. You can handle it. You can take it. That is how to be a bad host.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Here’s a beautiful overview for everybody, because so often we get very myopically focused on one avenue or one aspect of this, whether it is the person going through the health journey or the practitioner trying to support that. But really, it is the global view of the whole thing because there are so many aspects to what makes you a good host. If somebody is listening to you and we were saying, Okay, Dr. Jaban, I know I have parasites; I’ve been doing the cleansing; I’ve been following you and all the parasite experts; what am I missing if I cannot, if they are still coming out? What advice do you have to say to those folks today?

Jaban Moore, DC

That is the perfect question. I actually put my finger up. I am, well, let me talk about this. What people do is they get so focused on, I have mold; I am going to treat mold in Timewell. That is not how this works. I tell people all the time, Your first 7 to 14 days on any protocol, whether that is one of my favorites, Para 3 from CellCore, or A-FNG from Byron White, which is more for mold, your first 7 to 14 days of any microbe are where you are going to have your sirs in sepsis. This is where you are going to do the bulk of your work. After that, it’s just a little bit more cleanup. I tend to do two, maybe three, protocols for a parasite and then move on to bacteria. I move on from bacteria to mold, from mold to mycoplasma, and from mycoplasma to metal, metal to Radioactive elements, radioactive elements to viruses, then to yeast. That would be the common order in which I go, and I spend one or two months in each category because I am lowering the threshold for that pathogen. No, it is not going to zero, but we are not trying to get to zero. It is just stressing your life. You are not going to get to zero. Life happens. You are not going to get to zero organisms of a parasite. You are not going to get to the zero bacteria line, right? You are going to get to non-pathogenic, and then you need to move on. When you lower everything from pathogenic or from the toxic burden that is too great, parasites will start coming out. Because now your body starts to regulate on its own. Areas that your tincture cannot get to, areas that your frequency medicine cannot get to, and areas that your: I do not know where else to go. Your homeopathic medicine is not getting to. Your body it is designed to get there. Your body is designed to heal itself. Instead of getting stuck in one place, if you are, I feel I have done all I can do first. I do not know where to go. Go to mold, go to Candida, go to SIBO, go to Lyme disease, go to Bartonella, and knock out all of those things if you have them. I am not saying everybody has all of those things, but go with what you do. Knock that out; maybe three, four, or five months from now, you come back to parasites and you see a really good reaction. 

I have clients where we were doing parasites, Doc, but not much is coming out. I have bacteria; not much parasite comes out, right? Then I go over to mycoplasma, and not much parasite comes out. We go to mold, and I just had this happen and find it the other day. She said, Doc, I have started the mold protocol. I mean, there are handfuls of parasites coming out. Well, they are feeding on the mold. Your immune system was suppressed by the mold, and now the parasites are coming out. Then I go, Did the parasite cleanse that you did earlier work?  Yes, It cleared out what it could. Now we are shifting to the next thing. I tell people all the time that I do some muscle testing. The order of healing matters. If you get it out of order, it just does not work as well. When we got to that mold, my symptoms felt better. All these parasites are coming out; they are super excited, and they are saying, Well, don’t you get back on a parasite cleanse? No, your body’s got this. Your body’s designed to heal. When we shifted the right lever, you saw what happened. Just let it go.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

This is important because people need to adjust their expectations and also know where to direct their efforts. I see a lot happening with our gluten-free yogis, who still feel crap. That’s our, I mean, they are doing everything right. They are not. Do not talk to me about gluten. I have not been on gluten for ten years. I do not even look at a cookie. I am doing everything right, but I am still not healing. We have to learn to say, Okay, great. You took in information as you encountered it, but we have to consider what the body needs and in what order to heal so that it can take up these layers of burdens so that the immune system and the nervous system can regulate. Right?

Jaban Moore, DC

It is something I tell people all the time: you start at the top of your organizational chart of what you are doing, and then you’ve got five paths and you can go on. Then from there, when you have five paths, you can go on, and they are, well, so you are saying, I am not going to go from this to this, that you cannot give me the plan for the next four months? No, because every single time we talk, every time we have an interaction, I am listening to you, where your symptoms are, and how you did on the protocol that we looked at. If we have new labs, what do they show? Is that what any sort of muscle testing, energetic testing, or meridian acupuncture testing is telling us? Then we are choosing the next step, and I can tell you exactly what’s going to happen because I’ve done this for a decade. Yes, I have a good concept, but I cannot tell you exactly because you are unique. You have unique levels of stress, trauma, infections, and toxins, and day to day you change, which means day to day. The next path may slightly skew one way or another, and we are going to adapt to that.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

It is good. We know we do a liver cleanse course. That is 30 days, and so many people come in with chronic parasite issues. They got parasites, and on the other side of liver work, they get; Yes, tons of flukes came out of their liver, but then the worms again they could not get. It is just more of this thought process that we have to think systemically and also just take a layer at a time. We have to zoom out and then go microscopic again. Macroscopic, microscopic.

Jaban Moore, DC

It is a thing, even within practice and even within business. I always tell people, If you are really working hard and it just seems the uphill battle is outrageous, it is just so much harder than it should be. You might not know the right path. You might not be going the right way. If it is just an insurmountable battle, that is not to say that there aren’t some of those that we have to overcome. Maybe, you see, if you look left or right, if there is an easier path out, and oftentimes, especially with health, there is, you are thinking, Oh, well, maybe instead of going this way, I am doing that. Oh, look, there is a nice little opening, and it is so often that we see this.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

On these last few minutes. I would love for you to share your hard-won insights as a practitioner and as a fellow person who has healed yourself from chronic illness when it comes to the nervous system. People are saying, Okay, I understand; I hear you; this is going to be layer after layer. I get it. What can I do for my nervous system support right now? Is there a protocol I can work with, or what are your favorite tools? How should I be thinking about supporting the nervous system so I can make this a gentler, more effective process for myself?

Jaban Moore, DC

Well, stare at a tree. That is literally something I’ve told clients to do. They are just; they do what you just do. They laughed. I mean, you are not serious? Sure, I am. Go and literally stare at a tree for 20 minutes, especially with all the moms I worked with that have three kids. Hand the kids to your husband, then go to stare at a tree or whatever you have got to do, or go to the bathroom, lock the door, and put your phone outside of the bathroom, not with you, and stare at the bathroom, at the shower, or whatever. Just sit in quiet and calmness. That’s a simple start point. If someone tells me that is not possible, I am, and we need to find a way. Now, there are some much more elegant and well-thought-out tools that we can use, but that is a start. After that, let us look at vagus nerve training, because that is something pretty simple. You can hum, you can gargle, and you can put a cold cloth over your face. You can take a cold shower, where you shower for 10 seconds to 2 minutes. These are some vagus nerve pieces that you can be doing, and there is more to them. But those are some simple ones you can do at home. After that, we can get into limbic retraining or somatic retraining, which I absolutely love: Primal Trust, but some of the easiest ways to do some of these types of things are to not change the experience that you have in life but change the way that you perceive it.

Instead of going, I really wanted my day when I got home to look. I walk in the door, my kids come, and they give me a hug. We cook dinner together, and we smile and laugh. I said, You got it. I came home and somebody had fallen and scratched themselves up, and we had to go to the doctor and get stitches. Now my whole week is ruined because I did not get that calm experience that I wanted. You can sit there and go; it is not what I wanted, but hey, they scratched themselves up; no broken bones. We got to experience what it is to go to a doctor and help heal the body together, work through that pain for my child together, and grow together on that. It is just not changing what happened, but it is just changing the viewpoint that you have on it because there are so many times where there are pictures on Instagram or Facebook where, from this viewpoint, it looks like everything is wrong, but from a different viewpoint, everything looks okay, and it is us and how we perceive things that changes how your nervous system responds to it. Is that going into the amygdala? Is that trauma, or is that going into the amygdala as a blessing? 

Starting to work on that can be very beneficial because, for me, when I had erectile dysfunction, my knees were hurting. It was harder to work out. My brain wasn’t working right. I could have perceived that as trauma, which at the moment I am, this sucks. My girlfriend is about to break up with me because she does not think that I can make her happy for the rest of our lives. I do not know if I am ever going to have a family. Because if I cannot, for lack of better words, make my body parts work, how do I produce a family? That was traumatizing to me. But looking back at it, I am thinking, If that did not happen, how many people could I not affect in their lives? I wouldn’t have this platform. I wouldn’t have the ability to speak to others and make changes, which is really fulfilling in my life and allows me to help other people. Which point of view am I going to go? I wasn’t accepted, or it led me to where I am today.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Right, beautiful.

Jaban Moore, DC

Those are some of the nervous system pieces that we can talk about in appointments and to help people work through. Then there are other pieces of the puzzle that are not necessarily things that I always do in a verbal way with clients. I can send you to Primal Trust, and there is a whole course and a whole layout where Cathleen King put it together. It is beautiful. She gave me a discount code of: Dr. Jaban, get you 10% off D R J A B E N. You can go in there and look at that. EMDR is a type of therapy called rapid eye movement therapy, where a therapist can walk you through tools, and then Neurofeedback is another thing that I love to do. I have a protocol completely designed around breaking just the entrainment of fight or flight. Instead of being stuck in fight or flight, they just break that, and then you learn how to, after that, put yourself back into a more positive position because neurofeedback can break the mold. But then you have to choose to look at your environment differently the next time something comes forward, right? The next time something happens that you did not expect: I am driving to work today, and there is a complete standstill on the highway. I am, Well, I can either be pissed that I am going to lose an hour of my day or I can pop on a podcast and learn. This is an opportunity for me to educate myself, and that is the way that I have to look at it because otherwise I am just not efficient, and I like to be efficient. Those are some of the pieces of the nervous system pieces that I put in there. If you do not know what neurofeedback is, it sounds like color therapy. It is a passive thing. You sit in a chair, and it passively breaks down that fight or flight for you. Whereas Primal Trust, EMDR, and the other things are more active where you are involved in doing things, I think you need both.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

I do, too. Yes, I absolutely agree with that. We started out in mental health, Michael and I, before our chronic illness journey, and we brought all those tools in for exactly the same reason. It is so essential to do both because you are going to receive something to impress or versus the express layers of the brain when you are doing active versus passive. Absolutely. I am so glad you made that distinction. There are so many gems here, Jaban. I want to know: how can people find you easily? Because, you have dropped so many important nuggets today, and I know a lot of people are resonating with your work right now.

Jaban Moore, DC

Yes. I go to basically any social media site or out there on Google and type in Dr. Jaban Moore. Dr. Jaban Moore, I am on the Tik Tok, Instagram, and Facebook websites. I think we even have a Pinterest that my team set up, right? We have a little bit of everything, and we are putting out free content every single day. Because for me, here’s the thing: I want to educate a billion people on having the ability to have informed consent because I did not know that I could have Lyme. I did not know that Lyme affected my hormones. I did not know parasites could cause the food allergies I was experiencing. I want other people to at least have the opportunity to know there is a way out. You can take control of your situation. You do not have to be stuck, right? Because knowledge is power. If you have the knowledge that you can get well, now you can turn that traumatizing situation into an empowering journey. That is where I want to let people decide whether I can help them or not, or if they choose to use me as a practitioner. Not that that does not matter. I just want you to have the opportunity to take control of your own situation.

Sinclair Kennally, CNHP, CNC

Awesome. Those are great words to end with. Thanks for sharing your wisdom today. It’s a hard one, and you are out there on the front lines every day with people. I can’t wait to do more.

Jaban Moore, DC

Thanks for having me.