Full Transcript Introduction and Guest Welcome 0:00 I was always such a pleasure to have my dear friend James Templeton with me. 0:04 James, thank you so much for sharing this time with me. 0:07 It's great to be with you. 0:09 Doctor Carl, it's always fun 0:11 and I hadn't seen you in a while, so it's good to see you. 0:14 Yeah. Likewise. 0:15 So for people that haven't heard your story, 0:18 can you just kind of briefly cover that? 0:21 So, so people understand where you're coming from 0:24 and that this is not a kind of theoretical journey that you've had. 0:28 This is something that you lived yourself. 0:30 Yeah. Yeah. 0:31 Well, I'll tell you, this is over 40 years now after getting diagnosed 0:36 with stage four melanoma that had spread through my lymph nodes. 0:42 And I did have surgery. 0:43 But how it all started was I was living in Texas 0:48 and everything was going great, and I ended up going in 0:51 to get one of these cardio stress tests, because I had a lot of heart disease 0:56 in my family, and I didn't want to die of a heart attack
Melanoma Diagnosis and Early Treatment 1:00 at a younger age, like my father and my grandfather. 1:03 So I go in to see a doctor that was that did these cardio stress test. 1:08 He got me on the treadmill and he says, oh my God, he says, you're a great shape. 1:12 I was a runner. 1:14 I, I've always been into exercising a lot and all that. 1:17 And he says, you know, 1:18 whatever you're doing, just keep doing it because you're in tremendous shape. 1:22 You broke the record in our office. 1:24 Nobody's ever done this. Well, had recovered. 1:27 It's on the test. 1:28 And then you recover really quick and everything looked great. 1:30 And he says, after thoroughly examining you, he says, you. 1:34 Everything seems great. 1:36 He said, the only thing I could see is you've got a a mole on your back. 1:41 He said, it looks a little different to me. 1:43 He says it's a little strange looking and suspicious looking, he said. 1:49 And if I was you, he probably isn't anything. 1:52 But he says, if I was you, I would go in and get a an expert 1:56 to look at it, a dermatologist. 1:58 So I didn't think much about it. 2:00 And he didn't seem to, you know, concerned. 2:03 And 2 or 3 weeks later I went in to see a dermatologist, 2:07 and he looked at it and he he got all excited and he said, oh my God. 2:11 He said, I think you have melanoma. 2:15 And I'm like, what? 2:16 And he says, I think you got melanoma. 2:18 He says, I've seen a lot of this looks like it to me. 2:22 He said, we're probably going to need to do some major surgery on this 2:25 and remove a big portion of the area around you, this mole. 2:30 And I just didn't like his bedside manner because he was so excited 2:33 and giddy about it. 2:34 And, I don't know, he just was very serious. 2:37 But he got all excited and I said, well, let me think about this for a few days 2:42 and I'll get back to you, because I made up my mind right then. 2:46 I wasn't going to work with this guy. There's no way. 2:48 I just didn't feel right about it. 2:50 And I went home. 2:52 And of course, I was upset because here I thought I had life by the tail, 2:57 and now I'm in here with this diagnosis of having possibly millennium. 3:02 So I go to a home. 3:04 And my wife said at the time, look, 3:07 you need to go get another opinion. 3:11 And she was right. I needed another opinion. 3:14 So I went to see a dermatologist, you know, about an hour's drive away. 3:19 And he says to me, he says, well, it looks suspicious to me also. 3:22 He said, my wife had melanoma and he said, she's fine now. 3:27 It was stage one. 3:29 And, you know, like she probably never have to worry about that anymore there. 3:33 And so I thought, okay, that's encouraging. 3:36 He said, I've got a really good friend that's an oncologist 3:40 he's in down at the medical center. 3:42 This was in Euston, Texas, and he said, this guy, 3:45 if anybody knows about this, this guy's world renowned. 3:48 He's, you know, this and that, go see him. 3:51 So I went in to see him. 3:52 He goes, okay, well, it looks suspicious to me too. 3:56 He said, the only way we're going to know is to remove it. 3:59 Let's just remove it and we'll send it to the lab, see what it is. 4:02 So he took it out, took a big chunk out of my back, and he sent it. 4:06 And he says, I'll call you in a few days. 4:08 I got home two weeks later. 4:10 He hadn't called yet, and I'm like, what the heck's taking so long? 4:14 And I was facing him for and you know, and anybody has had cancer 4:19 before knows how nerve wracking it is when you're waiting to see, 4:23 you know, after a biopsy of something, you know. 4:26 And so anyway, he called me a few days after that 4:30 and he says, well, I got some good news, some bad news. 4:33 He says, the good news is it's melanoma. 4:38 But, you know, and he said, because 4:40 here's the good part about it, we think we got it all. 4:44 We we don't see any issues around 4:47 the peripheral areas of this incision that we did. 4:50 So we think we've got it all. 4:52 So the bad news is it's very deep on the Clark scales. 4:58 What he said. 4:58 He said it's a stage for he said that means it's probably going to spread 5:03 if we got to keep an eye on it to somewhere else in the body. 5:07 He said chances are we'll never see it again, but we got to really watch it. 5:11 So come in every three months and we'll check you out. 5:14 We'll feel your lymph nodes 5:15 and we'll do all this stuff and make sure that there's no problem. 5:19 And if there is, and we'll have to take care of it. 5:22 Well, I did what he said. 5:23 I went in and did this, and of course, I wasn't the same person anymore. 5:27 I was not that easy, happy go lucky, 5:31 you know, very business oriented guy, very ambitious back 5:35 then, had several businesses and I just wasn't that guy anymore. 5:39 I was living in fear now and knowing this. 5:43 And I talked to a doctor that that I met on a ski trip 5:47 and he said was a surgeon, that the cancer surgeon and stuff like that. 5:51 And he goes, well, I hate to tell you this, James. 5:54 He says, but people with stage 4 5:56 million usually don't live more than 2 or 3 years at the most. 6:00 And I'm like, what? 6:02 You know, I mean, that just did it for me. 6:05 And I really, really lost it after that. 6:07 And I just, you know, kind of like, I don't know, I always felt like I wanted 6:12 to give up a little bit and, you know, just kind of felt down and depressed. 6:16 And so my wife ended up leaving me. 6:20 She didn't like the way I was acting, I guess, and was 6:23 maybe she wanted to leave me anyway. 6:25 And this was a good excuse at the time, but she left me. 6:29 And after that I just kind of really got into a really funk. 6:33 But before I knew it, everything had been doing okay with this. 6:38 Before I knew it, I found a lump in my groin 6:41 and it was like a large marble. 6:44 And I said, oh my God, I get this checked out.
Turning to Macrobiotic Diet and Vitamin C 6:46 And I called the doctor. 6:47 He said, come in. 6:48 And and long story short, I ended up going in. 6:52 He wanted to see what it was. 6:53 We did surgery and I woke up, 6:57 you know, and I knew I was in trouble after the surgery 7:01 because he had I was all bandaged up, had tubes in my leg and all this. 7:05 And he comes in, he says, James, I'm sorry to tell you, but the cancer spread, 7:09 it's in your lymphatic system, he said. 7:13 He said, we're going to have to get real aggressive with this, and I want you to do 7:16 80 chemotherapy treatments, experimental chemotherapy. 7:21 He said this does this mill like you have is very aggressive. 7:26 And he says, the only thing I know to do is experimental chemotherapy. 7:31 And back then it was hypothermia. 7:33 You hear about that nowadays but hypothermia. 7:36 And he said this this is we're going to elevate your temperature. 7:40 We're going to get as high as we can without harming you. 7:44 And then we're going to induce the chemotherapy drugs 7:48 into your veins through IV. 7:50 So this will take 8 to 10 hours a day. 7:54 And he said you'll be in the hospital 7:55 because you're not going to feel like being going home. 7:58 And you'll have to be in the hospital. 8:00 So after this we're going to wait three weeks, 8:04 probably be in the hospital here recovering from this surgery 8:07 because they basically removed all my lymph nodes in my groin area. 8:11 And, you know, I was just I couldn't I mean, it was saw and just, you know, 8:16 I couldn't walk or anything. Harley. 8:17 It was so sore there. 8:19 And he said, and by the way, you need to do a limp drainage pump 8:24 because you you're going to if you don't, you'll get lymphedema. 8:29 And he said, we don't want you to end up losing your leg because he said, 8:33 you got to do this every day, probably for years. 8:37 He said, because this is very serious if you don't do it. 8:40 And he said, so after this, we'll do the chemotherapy. 8:44 You'll come back every two months 8:46 and do five more treatments until you get to the 80. 8:50 Then I asked him, as a doctor, 8:52 what are my chances from what you've seen, your experience? 8:56 He says, well, he says, I think you've got a 20% chance to survive. 9:04 Survive for 3 to 5 years. 9:06 He says, if we can get you through this chemo, 9:10 he said, if you 9:11 don't get through the chemo, it'll be less than that. 9:14 But he said, if you don't do the chemotherapy. 9:17 He says, give me a lot less than that. 9:19 He kind of handed like it might be a year or so 9:23 because he said just from my experience. 9:25 But he said, you never know. 9:27 This is my experience. 9:28 Well, that didn't sound good to me at all. 9:30 Here I was, 32 years old and I said, I gotta find something to do here. 9:36 I can't just lay here and just be in the hands of this guy 9:39 and let him control my destiny here. 9:42 And I just didn't want to do that. 9:45 And I knew there had to be something I could do. 9:47 And I started to really focus on that. 9:51 And I was, of course, I was very depressed 9:54 and I wasn't very that had no energy from the surgery and all that. 9:58 And I was laying there in the hospital bed, oh, morphine, because of my pain. 10:03 And I tried to go without it. But that's what happens. 10:06 You have to you just can't stand it. 10:07 It was so painful. 10:09 So then after a few days of that, I'm laying there and I got a phone call. 10:14 This is when things started happening for me. 10:18 I got a phone call from a minister to church that I went to. 10:22 Now, I wasn't a 10:23 really a religious guy, really, but I went to church a couple of times 10:27 a month, and I knew the preacher there, and he says to me 10:32 on the phone, he says, James, I'm sorry to hear about your condition. 10:36 He said, I've been praying for you and many people. 10:39 Church and in town. 10:40 I lived in a smaller town. 10:42 He said. 10:43 They've all been praying for you, 10:44 and we really know that if anybody can beat this, you can. 10:48 And he says, listen, he said, you're a tough guy. 10:51 You're a runner. 10:52 This guy was an expert baseball player and a runner too. 10:56 And I ran with him before. 10:58 He's older than me, but just really nice guy, but tough, gritty guy. 11:02 He says, listen, he says, I know you can beat this. 11:06 He said. 11:07 He says if anybody can, again, you can. 11:10 And I want you to not give in to this and don't feel sorry for yourself. 11:15 And you just get down on all fours and you go to battle with it. 11:20 He says, you beat this S.O.B. in cancer. 11:23 He didn't say it like that. 11:25 He said stuff. I never heard a guy talk like that. 11:27 Just he used a few four letter words and it just like it got me. 11:31 I was laying there in the bed, you know, and I set up and I said, he's right. 11:35 Well, I'm whipping out on this stuff and I'm not going to give into it. 11:39 He's right. 11:40 Well, this is when things really started happening for me. 11:44 And it's, it's it's like a miracle happened for me. 11:47 And I started, you know, like praying. 11:52 And I started praying to God, the higher power, whatever anybody wants to call it. 11:57 And I said, I need help. I'm desperate. 12:00 I've never been this desperate in my life. 12:02 I know there's something else I can do. 12:05 You gotta guide me through this and blah, blah, blah, and I, 12:09 I was kind of an audience for me, and I 12:13 it's probably just out of the, just the condition I was in. 12:16 But it's just it was different, you know, it wasn't 12:19 it wasn't like a, you know, when you, when you say your prayers or whatever. But 12:25 anyway, after 12:27 that prayer, this is when I bought, I would say 12:31 probably 20 minutes after that prayer, I got a knock on my hospital door, 12:37 and through the door comes an old buddy 12:40 from college that I hadn't seen in about seven years, 12:44 and he heard from a friend 12:48 of ours about me being in there and having gone through all this, 12:52 and a friend of a friend of his at where he worked, brought him a piece 12:58 in an article about a guy that healed himself with a diet 13:02 and lifestyle, and it was about a diet called the macrobiotic diet in lifestyle. 13:08 I'd never heard of that. 13:09 I didn't know anything about either stuff. 13:11 I was just like a normal guy. 13:13 So anyway, he comes in. 13:15 He adds that I said, let me have those what he got in his hand. 13:18 I said, I'm going to do what's on those papers there. 13:22 I'm going to do it. He goes, well, you don't know anything about it. 13:24 I said, I don't have to. I'm going to read about it. 13:26 I'm going to know about it. 13:27 If it'll help that guy, it'll help me too. 13:30 That's how I felt. 13:31 I said, this is from up there or wherever. 13:34 This this is, I'm supposed to do this. 13:36 And I knew that with every selling my body, that's kind of how I felt. 13:41 And so I asked him to go out and get me the book that the guy, 13:45 it was a book review, and it was in a Let's Live magazine book review 13:50 about a book. 13:51 And anyway, I, I knew this was going to be the best strategy for me. 13:57 So he went and got the book. 13:58 I read the book. I couldn't put it down. 14:00 And it was by a guy by the name of Dirk Benedict, 14:04 which was a been in a TV star, movie star, 14:08 and he had been on this show back then called the A-Team. 14:13 And he was the younger guy, the good looking younger guy. 14:16 Blond had a guy, and I read it and I said, if it'll help old Dirk, it'll help me. 14:23 I know. 14:24 And he talked about, you know, all the things he did. 14:28 And I got excited. 14:29 I started to get excited. 14:31 And the thing is, is the next morning I got another knock on the door, 14:36 and here comes my stepmother that raised me come through the door. 14:41 And she had a book in her hand. 14:42 And it was Lioness Paulie's book about vitamin C and cancer. 14:47 And I never heard a lioness Paul. 14:48 I didn't know anything about this. 14:50 And it about high dose fighting with C 14:54 people that took high 14:55 dose vitamin C, that were terminal, lived much longer. 14:59 Some of them survived and all that. 15:01 And I said, well, I'm going to do vitamin C, I'll do this diet 15:04 lifestyle and the vitamin C, it'll help them, will help me. 15:08 So now I'm really excited and I knew that I was on to something here. 15:13 It just in, just inside in my in my 15:17 every bone in my body felt like I was on the right track. 15:21 All of a sudden things were happening. 15:24 The next day, next morning, I got another knock on the door at the hospital. 15:29 Here comes a guy through the door and he says, I'm your psychotherapist.
Hospital Experience and Commitment to Change 15:34 And he says, listen. 15:35 He says, I've been hearing that you're very depressed. 15:38 And and, you know, I understand what you're going through and 15:41 I feel for you, but I'd love to come talk to you. 15:44 Maybe we I can help you in some way or another. 15:47 And he said, is that something you can do, would like to do? 15:50 And I said, sure, come and talk to me. 15:52 So he said, I'll be here in the morning and we'll sit down 15:55 and have a conversation. Well, I wanted to ask him 15:58 about this macrobiotic diet and see if he knew about it. 16:02 So the next morning he comes through the door and I said, 16:06 right off the bat, have you heard about a diet 16:09 called the macrobiotic diet? 16:12 And he just turned around and started going out in the hall. 16:16 I thought, well, he I ran him off. 16:18 He don't want to hear about this. 16:20 And he goes down and starts looking down the hall 16:23 and he comes back in and shuts the door real tight. 16:26 And he says to me, he says, I have heard about it, 16:30 but I'm not going to tell you what I know about until you promise 16:33 you won't tell a soul. 16:34 I don't want to lose my job and my pension here. 16:38 And I said, I'm not going to tell anybody. 16:40 I was really excited. Now he goes. 16:44 I've heard a lot of good things about this diet. 16:47 I've known people personally that overcame cancer using this diet and lifestyle, 16:52 he said. 16:53 I tried it myself, but he said it was too much work for me. 16:57 He said I just I didn't have cancer. 16:59 I just thought it sounded like something I should try. 17:02 He said I didn't do it. 17:03 But he says, I've heard a lot of good things about it, 17:07 but I don't want to tell you here, right now. 17:10 There's a right way to do it and a wrong way to do it, he said. 17:13 It takes a lot of work to add a time, but 17:17 it's almost like, you know, a full time job with this. 17:21 And he says to me, he says, you don't, by the way, seem very depressed. 17:26 He said, you seem excited. 17:29 And he said, 17:31 you know, you don't seem like the guy that the nurses told me about. 17:35 And he says to me, he goes, I was excited now about everything. 17:39 And by him doing that in secrecy, closing the door, 17:42 I knew I was really on to something. 17:45 He said, you seem like the kind of guy could do this. 17:48 You're young and you seem like you're determined to find something, he said. 17:53 So I think it would be a very good step for you to do this, he said. 17:58 But again, don't tell anybody I ever told you about this. 18:02 And he says to me, he says, remember, 18:06 if you're going to do it, do it the right way. 18:09 And I've never forgot that. 18:11 And when he left, I was so excited. 18:14 So I got out of the hospital, went home, started 18:17 to read everything I could get Ahold of, very excited about it. 18:21 And I read a book called Recalled My Life by Charles Satellite, 18:24 and he talked about the, you know, 18:30 he was a doctor that overcame cancer using the, the macrobiotic diet. 18:35 And and anyway, I got it very excited about it all. 18:39 And two months later, I, I had been in the starting 18:42 to get into that a little bit, but just starting. 18:45 I was trying, but I was trying to recover from the surgery still. 18:48 And so anyway, I go back in to get more chemotherapy 18:52 and I had one, one batch of it and it made me sick, really sick. 18:56 But the second batch I had, second five I they must have doubled or tripled it. 19:02 It was so bad. 19:04 And I don't know, I just was so sick. 19:07 And I remember laying there one day and I was so lethargic, 19:11 so sick, I couldn't eat or, you know, sleep really. 19:15 And I was throwing up and it was terrible. 19:18 And I told the guy, the doctor that that oversaw 19:22 the chemotherapy, that if a little's good, a lot's better give it to me, 19:25 you know, because I thought, I'll do it all. 19:27 But he bout killed me. 19:29 So I'm laying there and I remember the nurse coming in and I was just out of it. 19:33 She said, get people in here quick, get some blank, get some cold ice packs. 19:39 This guy is temperatures way too high. 19:42 He said he could die with this temperature. 19:45 And I remember that and said, who's been watching him? 19:48 You know, and I said, I got to get out of here 19:51 because this stuff's making me sick. 19:53 I couldn't eat, I was so thin then. 19:55 And the doctor comes in the next day and says, 19:58 I hear you've been having a rough time. 20:00 And I said, yeah, isn't there something else I can do? 20:04 And he said, this is the doctor that removed it originally. 20:07 He says, I don't know of anything else. 20:10 This is all the thing we know to do. 20:12 And I said, what would you do if it was your son or daughter? 20:17 I do the same thing, he said. 20:20 I don't know what else I could do. 20:22 And I said, but isn't there something I can do like vitamin C, 20:26 high dose vitamin C, change my diet, you know, all that kind of thing 20:30 because all that's that's not going to help, you know, that works. 20:34 And I just knew that this guy I need to get out of this place, you know. 20:38 And I said to him, doctor, I'm so sick I could die in here. 20:43 He goes, well, we're all going to die someday. 20:48 And boy, that that got it right there. 20:50 That's made me so mad for him to say that to me. 20:53 I raised up in the bed. I had no energy. 20:56 And I said, listen here, you S.O.B., 21:00 if I could get up out of this bed, I'd tear you apart. 21:04 And that guy turn around and walked out the door. 21:07 And I never saw that doctor again. 21:10 And because the next night I made up my mind 21:13 I was going to sneak out of the hospital at two in the morning. 21:17 I got up out of there, putting my jeans on, 21:20 and I went down the hall looking for the nurses station. 21:23 Nobody was there. 21:25 I turned and went down along the edge of the wall, down the stairs, 21:28 and I know was 4 21:30 or 5 flights down to to the park, you know, to where the parking lot was. 21:34 I never looked back and I made up my mind. 21:36 Then I was going to give it 150%, 21:40 and if it didn't work for me, it wasn't going to work for anybody else. 21:43 And I was so determined to show that doctor 21:47 I wanted to kick his rear, but I wanted to 21:52 show him that I was going to overcome this 21:55 and I was going to outlive him, whatever it took. 21:58 And that's what I did. 21:59 And then I went home and I dug into the macrobiotic diet,
What the Macrobiotic Diet Includes 22:03 tried to do everything I could for as far as the lifestyle was concerned, 22:08 changed my outlook, started reading everything I could. 22:12 And I'm still here, you know, 40, almost 41 years. 22:16 So, you know, 22:19 there was a lot there is a lot to sometimes 22:22 taking control of your own health and walking away from somebody 22:26 you don't feel comfortable with and doing the right thing. 22:30 I wanted that doctor to say to me that, hey, look, this might not work for you, 22:35 but I'm going to go home and I'm going to do some research, 22:38 and I'm going to do everything I can to try to help you find something else. 22:43 But no, he didn't do that at all. 22:45 It's like all this is the only way. 22:48 And if this doesn't work, then sorry. 22:51 You know, that's how it is. 22:52 And so I know that you I mean, people can read a lot 22:57 about kind of the details about the macrobiotic diet in your book. 23:01 You know, that you have, but can you give a little bit of an overview 23:06 what what macrobiotic diet is. 23:09 So people have standing? Yes. 23:12 The macrobiotic diet is a diet that consists of eating a lot of whole 23:17 grains, like, you know, brown rice, barley, 23:21 millet, things like that, that their whole grains, not not processed 23:27 grains, not crack grains, not breakfast cereals you buy 23:30 at the health food store or whatever, but it's eating organic foods. 23:35 It's eating whole grains. 23:37 I would say it's anywhere from 40 to 50% whole grains, 23:42 and then probably like 25% 23:45 vegetables and tons and tons of vegetables, 23:48 like cruciferous vegetables, what I call alien vegetables, 23:52 which are kind of in the onion, onion, leeks family. 23:57 And it's anti-cancer, you know, vegetables like the, 24:01 the cruciferous because as we know now. 24:04 So for Fein is a very important aspect of cruciferous vegetables. 24:09 And, and that it contains a lot of that anti-cancer. 24:13 But it's also very high in the fiber source. 24:16 So it does lower your blood sugar does lower the glucose levels more 24:21 than just people eating the cereal grains and all this stuff. 24:25 And I found that to be very, very healing, very detoxifying. 24:30 But it also helps with your intestinal flora, 24:32 with your probiotics, because grains are a prebiotic. 24:36 And and that means that they create, you know, healthy, 24:42 I guess you could say intestinal flora in your body. 24:45 And, you know, and I learned later on that 80%, up to 80% of them 24:50 probably around there is, you know, your immunity is your gut health. 24:54 So it does a lot of that. 24:56 And it has the fermented foods like me so and the certain soil sources. 25:00 But this fermented soy sauce people go well, soil is not good. 25:04 And this and that. 25:06 But this is different. 25:07 It's fermented, it's all fermented. 25:09 And there's a right way to cook all this stuff. 25:12 And it also has a lot of legumes, like beans, 25:16 like mostly the smaller beans, like lentils, chickpeas, a dookie beans. 25:23 And you eat 25:23 those on a regular basis because it gives you the protein. 25:26 Now, I think that the macrobiotic diet is probably not high enough 25:30 in protein for a lot of people, because I saw myself included. 25:34 I was very thin. 25:35 I went from 175 at one 25:38 point to all the way down to 125. 25:41 And when I was sick and and so I ended up back at about 145 25:46 for good while and but I felt great. 25:50 I felt just excited inside. 25:52 I was, you know, 25:54 like just high as a kite from this food because I'm eating real food. 25:58 I'm learning to taste the real food. 26:00 We didn't we didn't eat dairy food. 26:02 We didn't eat nightshades. 26:04 We didn't have a lot of the stuff that people are eating. 26:07 No, no cheese and all that stuff. 26:09 So it's very cleansing, but also very nutritionally, 26:14 you know, with the final nutrients just loaded with phyto. 26:18 We didn't need a lot of fruit a little bit, but not a lot 26:21 because of the sugar aspect. 26:23 And it really was kind of designed for cancer. 26:27 And most of the people I met, because I ended up living 26:30 at the macrobiotic community in Becket, Massachusetts for several years. 26:37 Eventually I ended up had had the chance to move 26:40 there, and I did, but I enjoyed it. 26:43 But the diet also has sea vegetables in it, seaweed 26:47 which is high in minerals and all that. 26:49 But nowadays you got to really watch it even probably then. 26:52 But all the grains we had was were most of the grains, not all of them, 26:57 but the rice the most was short grain brown rice was freshly hulled. 27:02 And I recommend, if anybody's going to do a macrobiotic diet 27:06 to get them a rice hauling machine and get organic and hold rice, and do that 27:12 because you get a lot more energy from it by doing that. 27:15 The other thing you've got to do is you've got to soak your grains nowadays. 27:20 And we did back then, but really got to do. 27:22 A lot of people are lazy. 27:24 And like the guy said, it's the right way and the wrong way because grains 27:29 can contain cadmium and arsenic and they can, Michael. 27:33 Toxins and all that. 27:34 So when you soak the grains, you know, for overnight 27:39 and then you drain it and then you never use the water, 27:42 you soak it in, you drain it, then you take 27:45 and then you rinse it again for like no, 20 or 30 minutes. 27:50 And you don't use that water either. 27:52 A lot of times people would soak their food. 27:54 Oh, will you choose that water? 27:55 No. And that gets rid of a big, 28:00 probably 80% of the cab and arsenic, 28:02 heavy metals, you know, and the toxins and the beans too. 28:06 You got to do that to the same way. 28:08 Beans and nuts and seeds. 28:10 And we didn't eat a whole lot of nuts. 28:12 We ate some seeds. 28:13 But, you get some, but so you you're better off 28:18 if you can soak these things and be conscious of that and to do that. 28:22 But, you know, there's also fighting acid in the grains, too. 28:26 So you want to get rid of all this stuff. 28:28 And one of the problems is a lot of people are on a macrobiotic diet. 28:33 They're not taking vitamins and minerals, and they get a little bit 28:37 mineral deficient. 28:37 They get deficient and B 12 iron, calcium, things like that. 28:43 And you really need to supplement 28:46 because the like they're not doing dairy foods. 28:49 So they're not getting a lot of calcium. 28:51 So the calcium helps carry that stuff out of your system you know. 28:56 And then there's the the vegetables have oxalates and all that 29:00 helps get biotic acid and oxalates out of your body. 29:03 So it's very important, I think, that if I was going to do the macrobiotic diets 29:07 just starting out, I would I would want to do the macrobiotic diet. 29:12 I would definitely have all organic. 29:14 You don't cut corners. 29:16 That's another part of the right way. 29:18 And you prepare the food yourself if you can, because you're 29:21 putting your the healing energy back into the food. 29:24 Your your intention is to heal yourself. 29:27 And I think that that's the key and the lifestyle aspects of 29:31 of doing we did these, these exercises, what they call doing 29:35 where you're tapping on the different meridians, energy meridians in the body, 29:40 and you're also exercising, walking every day, doing deep breathing. 29:45 You know, whatever you can do, it's important to keep moving and not just eat. 29:51 And that's it. And food is not everything. 29:54 And also work on your emotional side of things and meditate. 29:59 I mean, we did a lot of back then, we were doing chanting 30:02 and different things to help, 30:04 you know, energize the chakras in the body, the energetic chakras. 30:08 There's a lot more to it than just eating, but it's a very spiritual type 30:13 of way of living and eating, and it does 30:16 make you feel more balanced throughout 30:19 and and more connected, you know, to the higher power. 30:24 That's how I always felt. 30:25 And, and I just felt like I said, I felt really good. 30:28 I was more hungry, I wasn't eating enough protein. 30:32 So I recommended people eat lean protein. 30:35 There's some of the more teachers now macrobiotic teachers 30:39 recommend that, you know, to eat lean protein like fish more. 30:43 We only eat fish once a week, and that was like a fish soup or something. 30:48 So we weren't getting enough. 30:50 And and 30:50 I mean, we did blood tests sometimes and they would find that we were very low. 30:54 Our cholesterol was too low, our vitamins and minerals were low. 30:59 Not everything, you know, some things. 31:01 But I found it to be just a wonderful way of of 31:07 bringing yourself back to balance, because I always felt that cancer 31:10 is nothing more than bodies telling you that it's out of balance 31:14 and you got another chance before it's too late 31:17 to bring things back to the center. 31:20 And a lot of people don't. 31:22 They wait too late, 31:23 they wait too long and they haven't not don't have enough energy. 31:27 And as I know that the immune system is king 31:31 and you've got to have a strong immune system, you know, T 31:34 cells, natural killer cells, all that have to be activated 31:39 and ready to go to war, you know, and if they're not. 31:43 And that's the other thing. 31:44 Macrobiotic diet can be low in vitamin D. 31:47 So get out in the sunshine. 31:49 But take some take supplements and take at least take a good healthy, 31:55 you know, multiple vitamin, not something you buy down at, 31:59 you know, Walmart or somewhere, get something that's, you know, really 32:03 healthy, very, very, you know, third party tested all that. 32:09 But also look into taking a lot 32:12 of the anti-cancer supplements along with it, 32:15 because I believe if you eat more protein, you need a diet like this. 32:19 You, you you cook it yourself mostly. 32:23 Or if you can find somebody to cook it, if you can't all have the time. 32:27 And, you know, I just always took leftovers to lunch, 32:31 I cook and I cook breakfast and I take my leftovers for lunch. 32:35 And then at night I'd make another meal, but I never cutting corners. 32:39 And I did everything I had to do day after day after day after day. 32:45 And but a good, healthy, 32:49 lean protein and the I mean, the beans are good too. 32:51 So you want to eat a little, 32:53 maybe a little bit more of that and less of the grain nowadays. 32:57 I mean, some grain, but I don't eat near as much.
Supplements, Detox, and Immune Support 33:00 I mean, I was up to here in grains, but it is very, very, very detoxifying. 33:06 I never met a person that was constipated on a macrobiotic diet. 33:09 They it just it's like a broom. 33:12 Somebody going in there and just cleaning you out 33:14 and in the heavy metals and everything is an issue 33:18 that we have to deal with these days. 33:19 And, and there's a lot of things you can do, like EDTA. 33:24 And I really am a big fan of IVs 33:27 and, you know, just saturate yourself with vitamin C, 33:31 take it orally, high amounts of orally and saturated IV's. 33:36 I mean, there's so much you can do nowadays. 33:38 And I also along my journey was a big fan of old. 33:43 I mean, not ozone. 33:45 I was going to say, oh, I'm a fan of ozone sometimes, 33:48 but it's good, which is a mistletoe. 33:51 And I did that for a whole year and injected myself with Escadre for a year. 33:57 I found that out through an anthropological doctor through after. 34:01 I felt like there was other things I needed to do, 34:04 and I was doing really well. 34:06 But I realized that I needed to do more. 34:08 And so I started up in my protein, started eating more protein 34:14 after I met one of my teachers, doctor Hazel Parcells. 34:18 That was, by the way, over a hundred when I met her and she told me, 34:22 she said, honey, you gotta eat more protein. 34:26 She said, you're going to get sick again eating this, this very low 34:30 protein type diet and you need to take some vitamins and minerals. 34:34 You know, she was right on. 34:37 But all along my way I learned 34:40 about the Escadre, which is mistletoe. 34:43 And that actually activated my immune system even more. 34:47 And I felt like I had the slight flu for 3 or 4 weeks when I first started. 34:52 And I did that and I started to feel really well. 34:54 But one of the key factors that I have learned 34:58 through some of my teachers, which I felt were real masters, 35:02 is that you've got to make sure I don't. 35:05 I don't even think you have to make sure, because I think everybody is. 35:09 But I found through my research, through my teachers research, 35:14 through my blood work that I've done, that everybody that has cancer 35:18 has an overgrowth of candida and fungus in their body molds, you name it. 35:24 The other thing is parasites, intestinal parasites. 35:28 You've got to get that stuff out of your system 35:32 because that is the most immunosuppressive thing 35:35 probably known to man in our bodies. 35:37 The first thing when you take a dog or you have animals 35:41 to a veterinarian, they're going to look for parasites. 35:44 That's the last thing a medical doctor is going to do. 35:47 You can be dying and they're going to I don't even look for it. 35:50 You go, well, 35:51 they you know, they don't look for candy, doesn't fungus in your body. 35:55 They don't look for that. They don't do any of the stuff. 35:57 They just give you another damn drug for it. 35:59 But so what I'm trying to say is get to the root of the problem 36:04 and get rid of it and detoxify. 36:08 And just because you get rid of it doesn't mean you don't. 36:10 You just forget about it because it's going to come back again. 36:13 You guys, like staying cancer free 36:17 is like full time job for the rest of your life. 36:20 Maybe you slack off a little bit. 36:22 My God, you. 36:23 It's just it's like going to war. 36:26 And the war never totally ends. 36:27 And it's one of those things, you know? 36:29 And if you want to be around, you know, you can't just 36:33 go back to your old lifestyle. 36:35 You'll end up with the same problem. 36:37 Or you could very well. 36:38 And that's one of the things I've seen. 36:40 The two things I've seen is that. 36:42 And also people just they cut corners 36:46 with the macro diet, for example, macrobiotic diet. 36:50 They they'll just go down the health food store and buy some cereal grains 36:54 and they're beans and like beans and rice or whatever, that's just not enough. 36:59 And then they go, well, it didn't work for me, 37:02 was not going to work for you because you're not doing the right way, 37:05 is the psychotherapist told me, I keep saying that every I'm always saying 37:10 that to myself. 37:11 And I tell people when you're trying to stay healthy, there's we're not perfect. 37:16 Nobody's going to do it perfect every time. 37:18 We all make mistakes. 37:20 But with the macrobiotic diet, you got to do it the right way. 37:23 You got to chew your food. 37:26 I mean, they told us to chew our food 50 times a mouthful 37:31 so that it would be easier on the digestive tract 37:33 and it would, you know, help out as far as digesting food. 37:37 Well, I said, well, the 50s. Good. I'm going to do 180. 37:40 I don't know where that came from, but I chewed my food 180 times. 37:44 I was a guy sitting in. 37:46 I mean, we were I was living in a facility for a while. 37:49 For the first year, I did it myself and I really pulled myself out of a hole. 37:53 But when I started chewing my food even more, it's like it was liquefied. 37:59 It's like you have a bunch of liquid soup in your mouth, and then then you swallow. 38:05 Then you do the next. 38:06 You don't eat near as much, but for some reason or another, 38:10 you don't lose as much either your body, your digestion. 38:14 But as soon as I got rid of the parasites 38:16 and started to balance my system out, I started gaining weight again. 38:20 That was the biggest thing for me and I just think people overlooked 38:25 that and also the dental stuff, they overlook it. 38:28 That's the first thing I learned about. 38:30 And you got to keep reaching out and, 38:34 and and reading and researching and find out. 38:37 And you go and you find the best practitioners that can help you. 38:41 And that's what I've done. I continue to do it. 38:44 I'm not I don't have I'm not perfect health all the time. 38:47 Nobody is. 38:48 But I'm still around. 38:49 I have energy and I exercise and I, 38:53 I'm 73 years old, so I just continue to keep going. 38:57 I think like my teacher said, Doctor Parcells, 39:01 you've got to get your body back to balance and keep it in balance, 39:05 because once you get out, then you're going to have to start 39:07 having health issues. 39:09 And there's some things are tough, but on a 39:12 on a immune level and all that, you can't mess around. 39:16 You're messing with fire 39:17 when you just, you know, all the stuff that people do out there. 39:21 Most people are walking time bombs, as she would say. 39:24 And I believe that. 39:25 And, you know, God bless them all because they mean well. 39:29 There's a lot of wonderful people in this world, but we're getting 39:33 I mean, it's what I see and what I hear through my foundation 39:37 that there's there's more cancers like turbo cancer for a lot of people, 39:43 and especially since the, you know, Covid 39:48 and, you know, there's issues with that vaccinations and 39:52 and you know that these heavy metals, 39:56 you know, are real issue everything. 39:59 Every day we're picking up heavy metals. 40:01 And these spike proteins 40:04 adhere to these heavy metals. 40:07 And you got to get those heavy metals out. 40:09 So it has nothing to hang on to. 40:10 So that's another problem. 40:12 Now if you're if you got a cancer issue right now, you got to look into all this 40:17 and you got to find somebody that can get get you cleaned up 40:21 and help you out with this, this detoxification both orally and 40:27 through IV, I believe. 40:30 Yeah, I agree, I mean, because it's like vitamin C, 40:33 I mean, you can do a lot of worldly, 40:35 but it's just a different game when you bring it in intravenous. 40:39 Yeah. 40:40 So that's the same you know like EDTA it's great orally but you know 40:45 bring it in as a, as an IV as, as you know it's phenomenal. 40:50 Well James where where can they see if you have a podcast 40:55 you have a foundation, you have a book, you know, do you mind just kind of 40:59 letting people know where they can learn a little bit more about what you do? 41:04 Well, I have this book and I have it I always like hold it up. 41:08 Here's my book. 41:08 I used to have cancer. 41:10 How I found my own way back to health. 41:12 This is my story and the things that I did. 41:15 And this will tell you a lot more in what we talked about today. 41:19 I think it'll be interesting and inspiring to you and to you 41:23 or your friends or your family, whoever, whoever's 41:28 dealing with cancer or just want for prevention. 41:31 I think it'll be very helpful. 41:33 And, you know, I think that you'll find that interesting. 41:37 But to check that out, but also check out Templeton Wellness. 41:41 Templeton wellness is my foundation's a nonprofit, of course. 41:45 And and I have a podcast on there. 41:48 It's I interview people like Doctor Carl felt and others, 41:52 and I don't just interview anybody that comes along. 41:56 I interviewed people. 41:57 I feel they're the real deal. 41:58 People that I feel have the experience, people 42:01 I feel have the the heart that I'm looking for, 42:04 someone that's a good person that cares about people. 42:08 And I'm very, very strict about that. 42:11 And I mean, there's I like the people. 42:15 I mean, the more experience the better most of them 42:17 that a lot of them are renowned and they're in other countries, whatever. 42:20 But you'll learn a lot. 42:22 So if you get cancer, 42:24 make sure, 42:26 number one, get someone to go with you. 42:28 Get a second opinion,
Resources, Advice, and Closing Remarks 42:30 get someone to go with you, take notes, whatever, 42:32 because they're throwing all this stuff at you. 42:34 And don't feel bad about asking a doctor too many questions, because a lot of them 42:39 don't like you to ask questions. 42:40 Well, I tell them, it's my life, it's my health, and 42:44 I have the right to ask you a question. 42:46 If you don't want to listen to 42:46 my question, get up and leave and go find somebody else 42:50 and tell them, you know that you're there to get well 42:53 and you want to know and get a second opinion, though, and go 42:57 educate yourself and go to places like on my site, Templeton wellness.com. 43:01 You can educate yourself in a couple of days to a large degree, 43:07 and you're going to, you know, be able to hear people 43:10 like Doctor Crawford and others, they're going to help you a lot. 43:14 You're going to learn a lot things you didn't know. 43:16 You're going to learn about a lot of the things I talked about and in some. 43:20 And you're going to learn about 43:22 what other people have done, because a lot of people have done different things. 43:26 Some people are vegan diet, some people are, you know, on a keto 43:30 diet, some people are better diet, some people are, 43:34 you know, like me were on a macrobiotic diet and so on. 43:38 But you're going to see this and you're going to see that other people 43:42 have done other things that I think is great with any kind of diet, 43:46 from lay a trail to lay trails and old remedy. 43:49 But why? God, I've talked. 43:51 I don't know how many people that have gotten well 43:54 using Leah Trail. 43:56 It's amazing and for God's sake, so get your teeth taken care of. 44:01 I interviewed Doctor Stewart, not only which I think is one of the best 44:05 out there, and I had a good friend, Doctor Hal 44:08 Huggins, which was the guy. 44:11 And, you know, 44:12 he was a wonderful man and educator, but more than anything, dentist. 44:16 And, you know, and I learned from him and it's so important. 44:20 But the parasite thing, the heavy metals, 44:24 the Candida, the the endocrine system, 44:28 the glands, a lot of people don't have the energy to fight. 44:31 So, yeah, look at all that. 44:33 I studied with the doctor, Robert Bradford, 44:36 and I learned so much from him and became good friends with him. 44:41 And a lot of these guys aren't around anymore. 44:44 But, you know, and they try to discredit these guys 44:47 because these guys are really making a difference. 44:49 And I mean, he always said the blood doesn't lie. 44:53 You can see things in the blood. The blood does not lie. 44:56 You can change the blood. 44:57 The blood is changeable. 44:59 It's from how you live. 45:02 And I have a microscope back here 45:03 that I use just for my own self, for others friends. 45:08 I don't do it to make money off of anybody. 45:10 I just learned. 45:11 And there's a lot of great things you can learn from the blood, 45:15 but the patterns are the things I'm talking about. 45:17 You're going to see, and vitamin C deficiency is a big one too. 45:22 So anyway. 45:24 Also check out we have a restaurant guide 45:27 Templeton list.com 45:30 and you can see it on our site, Templeton Wellness. 45:33 And you can just go in 45:35 that to the restaurant guide and find the healthiest restaurants in America. 45:39 Now, you know, there's if you're on a strict protocol, 45:42 you got to know what to eat and not to eat and ask questions. 45:45 It's better to eat at home if you can. 45:47 But anyway, we offer that and it's all there's no charges or anything. 45:53 It's just my way of giving back from the things I've learned. 45:57 And I all I really want to do is help people. 45:59 If I can so know that just 46:03 because you get a stage for a diagnosis, that it's not the end of the road. 46:06 So there's a lot you can do, but don't mess around. 46:10 Thank all. Well, I'll wait and see a couple of years. 46:13 If it doesn't get well, I'll try this or that. 46:15 I've seen I'm known to many people that aren't with us anymore that did that. 46:19 So as soon as you get the surgery, as soon as you get out, 46:23 you kind of think, well, they say you're cancer free. 46:27 Now is the 46:28 time to get on the bandwagon and do something. 46:31 Change your ways. 46:32 Don't sit back and wait to see what's going to happen in a year or 2 or 3. 46:37 That's ridiculous. 46:39 Get out there and do something. 46:40 Yeah, I agree that I think that is the biggest issue. 46:44 You know, when they ring the bell, they get, you know, 46:46 no evidence of disease and other things. 46:48 They can go back to living their life. 46:50 They did their battle and and they get back living their life. 46:54 And obviously whatever cost to cancer to, 46:57 to become in the first place, you know, it's still there. 47:00 And, and so now they have to deal with the battle again. 47:04 And, and now they're weaker because they've gone through 47:07 chemo, radiation or surgery. 47:09 And now it's a tougher battle, you know the second time. 47:12 So yeah. 47:13 Well James, thank you so much for what you do, what you bring to the community. 47:18 And I want our listeners to really urge them to check out, 47:22 you know, James gets a phenomenal book, you know, macrobiotic diet. 47:27 I, I remember it was was big in the 80s and 1990s and, 47:32 and I think it's kind of faded away a little bit. 47:34 But I think it's definitely worth to bring into kind of the conversation. 47:40 Again in regards to cancer. 47:41 And James, thank you for doing that. 47:43 Well, thank you so much, James. 47:45 Thank you. Always such a pleasure. 47:47 Always a pleasure on my end to appreciate you very much what you're doing to write. 47:53 Thank you, thank you.
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