Full Transcript Introduction and Cancer Crisis 0:00 Well, Doctor Joel Fuhrman, it's it's always a pleasure 0:03 and honor to chat with you and for you to share your knowledge. You. 0:06 You're somebody that is well respected. 0:09 And I'm. It's always a pleasure. 0:10 Thank you so much for being with me. 0:13 My pleasure. 0:14 Looking forward to it. In your view. 0:16 I mean, cancer is something that's just ramping up and it's, 0:20 you know, more and more people are touched by it 0:23 and that we recognize the kind of limitations of traditional oncology. 0:28 They've had their run and they seem to only be able to get so far. 0:33 So in in your view, I mean, why are we dealing with this crisis now? 0:37 Well, I think it's that cancer has known causes. 0:41 They're not unknown. 0:42 And that we live in the modern world. 0:45 We live in a manner both our diet and our environment, 0:49 to put continuous stress on our body, to initiate cancer 0:54 formation and reforming cancer cells all the time, even at a young age. 0:59 And as our immune system 1:01 gets more, its work gets impeded. 1:04 Cancer cells then can overwhelm the immune defenses 1:07 and start to be a major cause of death in the modern world. 1:10 So the answer to your question is, 1:12 I'm suggesting that the environmental impact of toxins 1:15 is a minor contributor to cancer, maybe 10%. 1:20 That is about 80 to 90% what people are putting in their mouth and eating. 1:25 So it's a 90% diet. 1:26 And the American diet is 60% of calories, comes from processed foods, 1:32 and about 35% from animal products, 1:35 and about 9% from produce. 1:38 And out of the 9% from produce, 1:40 the vast majority of that is white potato and ketchup. 1:44 So Americans eat less than 5% of all the full colorful produce 1:48 and were were a produce dependent animal.
Diet, Greens, and Cancer Prevention 1:51 And the food that has the the food group that has been shown 1:55 the most protection against cancer is green or green vegetables. 2:00 And I'm suggesting that without green vegetables and without an adequate 2:04 consumption of green vegetables, we do not have a normal immune system. 2:08 Americans are not normal. 2:10 They have abnormal immune function due to a green vegetable deficiency. 2:14 It's not only green vegetables, of course. 2:16 I'm just highlighting that as the most significant, 2:19 the lack of greens being the most significant risk factor. 2:22 We know, for example, that childhood cancer, the common childhood cancer, acute 2:27 acidic leukemia, 2:29 and even brain tumors and children are now linked 2:31 in studies to the lack of green vegetables in the mother's diet, 2:35 not only during pregnancy but prior to two years prior to conception, 2:39 affecting the damage to the egg from the lack of green vegetables in the diet. 2:43 The linking the consumption of luncheon meats, 2:45 hot dogs and bacon with, and the lack of green vegetables 2:49 as resulting in cancers in children the first five years of life. 2:53 So we're saying that even what our parents eat, 2:56 even the junk they eat, and the good food they don't eat 2:59 can have an effect on your cancerous, is the point. 3:02 And some people, they it's almost like they don't 3:05 correlate nutrition with then fighting cancer. 3:09 I mean they think that they're other you know you've got to go and kill it. 3:12 You get with, you know, harsh methods. 3:15 And they don't see that strong correlation with shifting diet. 3:19 You know how that then can impact my cancer. 3:23 Can you expand a little bit on that. 3:26 Yeah, that's a great question because you're exactly right. 3:29 It's this is incredibly powerful to prevent cancer 3:33 and even powerful when people have cancers. 3:35 It's already been shown to be powerful. 3:36 We can go through some of those studies. 3:38 But but yeah, what I'm saying right now is that the dietary portfolio 3:43 that you can put into place with to prevent cancer 3:47 could most likely prevent more than 90% of cancers, maybe 95%. 3:52 Obviously, they're cancers due to, you know, it's pestis and cigarette 3:56 smoking and chemical exposure and benzene and things. 3:59 But still, even your exposure to cigarette smoking, lung 4:03 cancer is affected by what the person ate through their life. 4:05 Like the Catawba Island study showed that no, the Fiji Islands studies show 4:09 that the Fiji Islanders did more smoking than the Hawaiian Islands, had lower 4:13 rates of lung cancer because they eat more green vegetables in Fiji. 4:16 So even though they smoked a lot more, 4:18 they had lower rates of lung cancer deaths. 4:20 So we're saying even that even that even food even affects 4:23 when you have other environmental exposures. 4:25 But say what's about 90%? 4:27 I'm saying cancers could be wiped out. 4:29 So you have a very high degree of prevention. 4:32 But I'm saying the same dietary portfolio that prevents cancer is effective 4:36 when people have cancer always advances to a later stage 4:40 cancer and a non-aggressive cancer becomes more aggressive. 4:43 That's not the case. 4:45 It's that cancers can be reversed, especially in the earlier stages, 4:49 and they can grow erratically or stop growing. 4:51 So cancers do not always expand linear. 4:53 And what you're eating can affect that trajectory of the cancer. 4:57 And I'm highlighting on a diet these six foods 5:02 that have an immense amount of research took that to prevent cancer. 5:06 Let's just mention those six foods. 5:08 Now I use the acronym G bombs to highlight greens, 5:13 beans, onions, mushrooms, 5:17 berries, and seeds like flax seeds, cheese seeds, sesame seeds, things like that. 5:22 And we can go over all those individually. 5:25 So, so what I'm saying, when you put a dietary portfolio together 5:30 that includes regular consumption of these foods almost daily, 5:34 then we see dramatic protection against cancer. 5:37 But let's look at each one of the G bombs individually 5:40 and see what if you just raised the berries in your diet? 5:43 What if you only ate more mushrooms? 5:45 What if you only eat more onions? 5:47 What if you only eat more green tea? 5:49 Or what if you only green Christopher's vegetables? 5:52 Because we have data on multiple studies on people 5:55 who just their only variable is eating more green vegetables. 5:59 Right. 5:59 And the effects on the studies of people who have cancer 6:03 is remarkable to reduce. 6:05 We can go over the just to mention a few of those studies, if you like. 6:08 So here's the, 6:11 the Shanghai Breast Cancer 6:13 Survival Study, a 62% reduction mortality. 6:17 Chemotherapy for breast cancer doesn't extend mortality in 80% of cases. 6:22 That's, you know, most common garden variety of breast cancer like invasive 6:26 ductal carcinoma and invasive lobular carcinoma is not is not 6:30 significantly affected by breast cancer by chemo like 80% not affected by chemo. 6:34 So we're saying here that just that's just the green vegetables 6:38 alone is more effective than chemo. Kind of. 6:39 Not only that, all the other teams. 6:41 So here's the Shanghai breast Cancer study. 6:43 Women who were diagnosed with breast cancer followed 5000 6:46 breast cancer survivors over, over a decade. 6:49 The women who consume the highest vegetables, like Berkshire,
G-BOMBS Research and Survival Studies 6:54 had a 62% reduction in the risk of total mortality 6:58 and a 35% reduction of cancer recurrence compared to those with the lowest intake. 7:03 Okay. 7:04 We can go on to that's just one study, 7:06 but we can go to ten more of those, do the same thing. 7:08 And what I'm saying is there is a double digit reduction of cancers, you know. 7:12 Right. 7:12 Well it's fascinating is that when people think I got cancer 7:16 and they feel that the safer route 7:19 is to go down with the traditional oncology route. 7:22 But then we look at statistics. 7:25 This is the safer route. It sounds like. 7:28 Yes, it's safe for him, more effective. 7:30 Instead the side effects are better mental function, feeling better, 7:33 getting your weight better, reducing cardiovascular death. 7:36 The side effects of chemo is very often increased risk of cardiovascular death. 7:40 So even if we're even, the incidents for certain common cancers 7:44 may lower that cancer death and increase other causes of death from the treatments, 7:49 letting for no significant increase in overall survival. 7:52 So the benefits of conventional chemotherapy is greatly exaggerated, 7:56 particularly in common cancers. 7:58 The most common cancers, 7:59 of course, are breast cancer, prostate cancer, and colon cancer. 8:02 And those common cancers. 8:03 You don't you know, we're getting very we're not getting great outcomes. 8:06 But of course we have a lot of overdiagnosis and misdiagnosis. 8:11 And you know, and believe in it's like marketing. 8:14 You know, it's like a marketing thing. 8:17 All right. 8:17 So we can that was just one study. 8:19 Go on to the study on beams. Right. 8:21 We can do a being study with people who prevent cancer 8:24 or people who are being studies with people who have cancer. 8:27 Here's a San Francisco Bay area breast cancer study that this was people 8:31 who the inverse association was strong estrogen, breast cancer. 8:34 So the study of women who had breast cancer, 8:37 the higher intake of beans and being fiber reduce 8:39 the incidence of breast cancer by 20 to 25%. 8:42 And the inverse association was strongest for ERP and progesterone receptor 8:47 negative breast cancer, which is more an aggressive subtype. 8:50 So it was showing that the more aggressive cancers 8:53 were more significantly impacted, the ones that could kill 8:56 you more impacted by high being intact. 8:59 Here's another Nigerian integrative breast cancer study. 9:03 A matched case control study found a higher being intake 9:06 greater than one portion a week, was associated with a 45% 9:10 reduction in breast cancer risk among African women by calling out, 9:13 this just could fly through a lot of these on any of these foods. 9:17 But look at the study on onions and garlic, onions and garlic. 9:20 Show of 55 to 80% 88% reduction in breast cancer death from high intake. 9:25 You know, if you put a. 9:26 So let's go on to mushrooms. 9:27 The I think one of the biggest reasons was the Korean postmenopausal study 9:31 84% reduction and high level of postmenopausal women 9:36 with the highest mushroom intake over ten grams a day had a 84% 9:40 more risk of breast cancer compared to those with the lowest intake. 9:43 So it's a natural aromatase inhibitor. 9:45 But this study the joint effect study was over 2000 9:49 Chinese women showed a 64% of breast cancer to non consumers of mushrooms. 9:55 While people. 9:56 This is the most interesting thing. 9:57 The synergistic effect combining mushroom intake with drinking green tea 10:01 regularly, the risk of breast cancer dropped by nearly 90%. 10:04 It was 89% reduction. 10:06 Moving on to berries. 10:07 Just highlighting a couple of studies on each. 10:10 And I'm going to go 10 or 15 studies in each food. 10:12 But just a couple. 10:13 But but we're putting together a dietary portfolio as you know 10:18 that encompasses all these foods. 10:20 Right okay. 10:21 The triple breast cancer study, the city of Hope study. 10:24 Let's see. 10:24 Researchers found that blueberry intake reduced tumor volume by 60 to 75%. 10:30 It wasn't just tumors grew slower. 10:33 They inhibited the cancer's ability to metastasize, showed a 70% reduction 10:38 liver metastasize, and significant decrease in lymph node spread. 10:41 Kathy. Benefits 10:42 with humans would achieve by eating about two cups of fresh berries a day. 10:46 But keep in mind that it's the wild blueberries and the blackberries 10:51 that have more of the flavonoids that prevent 10:55 the pathway and interferes with cancer cell replication and blocks. 11:00 You know, you could say, but metastatic pathway like block one, 11:04 we're talking here that that some berries are more powerful than others, like, 11:08 you know, and this is just regular blueberries still had a so I'm saying 11:12 wild blueberries are more than blackberries, 11:13 even more potent than the regular blueberries studied in this study. 11:17 And moving on to the anthro science and meta analysis, The Arona Findings 2023 11:22 2024, published in the Frontiers of Oncology Berry Research. 11:27 They actually turned back tumor suppressor, turned back on tumor 11:30 suppressor genes that the cancer has silence 11:33 and observed a significant decrease in my my selectivity 11:38 turned the volume of fast cancer cells to could survive 11:42 and that you know we're talking about even causing some cancers to recede. 11:48 And then there's moving on to nuts and seeds like flax seeds. 11:52 She is seeds. 11:52 So flax seeds have the most lignin, which a very powerful anti-cancer 11:56 substance found in seeds. 11:58 The second most powerful source of ligands 12:01 is unholy sesame seeds, and the third is chia seeds. 12:05 So we usually advising people for breakfast on their wild blueberries 12:09 and blackberries they put and maybe a spoonful of raw which and protein. 12:13 They put a tablespoon of ground flax seeds and a tablespoon of ground chia 12:17 seeds in there with the, you know, the milk with their, you know, 12:21 unsweetened sonic or walnut milk or whatever is their doing 12:24 and whatever it isn't going to eat there that they get those seeds in 12:28 tremendous lignin potential. 12:30 You know, that breast cancer study that followed breast cancer patients 12:33 for ten years, that that followed their lignin intake, 12:38 it was a third of a milligram 12:39 of lignin that reduced recurrence of breast cancer. 12:43 I think by think it was more than about 70% reduction of breast cancer recurrence. 12:49 They follow these women for a decade after their breast cancer diagnosis. 12:52 It was a 71% decrease 12:54 risk of death from people who had more than a third of the milligram of lignin. 12:57 Get a teaspoon of flax seeds has seven milligrams, 13:02 so a tablespoon has 21mg US nutrition US following US nutrition 13:07 following the anti-cancer dietary portfolio, we're probably 13:11 getting about 50mg of lignin a day, compared to the one third 13:17 of one milligram in that breast cancer intervention study. 13:22 Right. 13:22 So we're getting 100 times 13:24 the amount of lignin in our diet than they were used in that study. 13:27 It's just like the people using those supplements to prevent
Fats, Fried Foods, and Addiction 13:30 macular degeneration from taking thing and crypto examining. 13:33 And we're getting 20 times 13:35 that amount in our good diet as the pills are giving you. 13:37 What I'm saying is you're getting much more in the food, 13:40 and plus you're getting the full symphony of nutrients that go along with it, 13:43 you know? 13:44 So yeah, to finish shock that another trial. 13:46 So we're talking about there was a randomized contained a flat seed 13:50 containing muffin until about one month after surgery caused significant 13:55 a pop ptosis tumor cell death reduced tumor cell proliferation. 14:00 The flaxseed group from the muffin, 14:02 which was greater than the benefits of chemotherapy meaning a flax seed muffin. 14:06 This is like insanity, right? 14:08 So and I recommend we could just give you an overview here, 14:12 but I recommend that people actually use use their omega use their nuts and seeds. 14:17 So they category the four of them that are high in omega three, Ala 14:21 and the other six nuts that are high in the other 14:24 six months, their high omega six fatty acids. 14:26 And they strive to have at least half their nut and sit in a nut 14:30 and seed intake from the ones that are highest in Ala, the omega three. 14:33 And those four are flax, chia, hemp, and walnuts. 14:39 So that means I might make a salad dressing for lunch with walnuts and hemp 14:44 seeds, you know, with tomato paste and, you know, roasted garlic and, and 14:49 or garlic granules 14:50 and nutritional yeast and maybe a little mustard in there, 14:53 or maybe, maybe tomato paste 14:54 and garlic and balsamic or fig vinegar, or maybe a Caesar dressing with. 14:58 So, you know, there's I take that nut and sea bass. 15:01 We're not using all as a dressing. 15:03 We're using an anti-cancer base that includes like the substances 15:08 like the garlic and the walnuts and blend it to like a nice salad dressing 15:13 because alls have a an opposite effect. 15:16 See, the also have such a high light 15:19 rush into the bloodstream like climate load. 15:22 I think people are familiar with that turn glycemic load, 15:26 which means how much sugar is rushing into the bloodstream after you eat some high, 15:30 you know, some refined carbohydrate or something, and light load, 15:34 because all are refined. 15:36 They're not growing on a tree, on a bottle of all. 15:39 You know, when you're getting a nut, 15:40 like a walnut or an almond compared to walnut or almond oil, 15:44 it feeds the that's from mechanically bound to fiber 15:48 that are eaten away so slowly as they're digested 15:52 that it bathes the whole small intestines with a fuel 15:56 to fuel the role of healthy bacteria and support the tight junctions, 16:01 the lining of the gut, as opposed to the oil, which is absorbed 16:05 very rapidly in the proximal portion of the small intestines, 16:09 which leads to leaks in the gut, which then allows the lipopolysaccharide 16:14 from the gram negative bacteria as the endotoxins to penetrate the bloodstream. 16:19 I'm saying Americans get their fats from animal fats and oils, 16:24 and US nutrition get our fats from nuts and seeds in avocado, 16:28 which have a different biological effect when you eat the whole food 16:31 versus the processed food or the animal source of fats. 16:34 So that's just a broad overview of your question. 16:36 But you know. Yeah. 16:37 So when you talk, I mean, because a lot of people, they do, you know, fish 16:41 oil capsules, you know, think we've all got to have the fish oil capsules. 16:44 So sounds to me what you're saying by taking those capsules, 16:49 it's almost like in the if we do the comparison to sugar, 16:54 it's like eating a tablespoon of sugar essentially. 16:57 Yeah. 16:57 Instead of having the, you know, with sugar, the glycemic quick 17:01 glycemic absorption, if you do just straight all like that, 17:06 you have a quick absorption then of the Omega, 17:09 you know, in the early part, just like you have that spike. 17:12 And that sounds to me like you're saying it actually triggers on leaky. 17:16 Yeah. 17:17 It kind of degrades the lining so that more toxic 17:21 debris can enter into the bloodstream from from the intestinal tract. 17:26 That's correct. 17:27 I'm saying the fried foods, when people people eat fried foods 17:30 like they and they, they go to fast food restaurants and the oil is cooked 17:34 all day long to fry a potato or whatever they're frying in there and there. 17:39 And the more the oil is heated, the more rancid 17:42 and reactive oxygen species are formed in the oil. 17:45 So they're eating foods that are so 17:47 they're eating fried foods and everything about the calories from both. 17:50 So the cow, 17:51 the fried foods create more carcinogenic and mutagenic effects to the oil. 17:56 And so you have more toxins that can be absorbed 17:58 and also the caloric rush of eating. 18:01 All because there's no fiber to slow its absorption creates 18:04 a light pink tide in the blood of fat all at one time. 18:07 And that stimulates the brain. 18:10 The dopamine centers in the brain, just like the glycemic load does. 18:14 I'm saying the glycemic load of sugar and white flour, 18:19 combined with the load from fried foods and putting all on your cooking foods 18:23 in all, combines for this new caloric rush that gets the brain habituated. 18:29 So it turns down dopamine receptors and makes you feel unsatisfied 18:33 unless you replicate. 18:35 That strong caloric rush is one of the reasons why 18:38 processed foods and high caloric, these hyper palatable 18:42 fast foods and caloric foods people can't stop eating them. 18:46 And why? 18:46 Everybody's overweight, and they need drugs to control their ravenous appetites 18:51 because they're disconnected between their instinctual desire for calories, 18:55 because the foods are unnatural and are absorbed in an unnatural fashion 18:59 and affect their brain and their effect, the appetite in their digestive track 19:04 and the APA stat in the brain are both negatively affected to make them driven 19:10 to over consume calories and become addicted to these foods. 19:13 They want to have fried foods. 19:15 They want to have sweetened foods, sugary foods, you know? 19:17 So yeah, the natural foods don't supply that brain high and that brain addictive 19:22 drive to make you want to overeat, to become, you know, obese. 19:26 And and let's be frank here, you know, that fat on the body 19:30 is a driver of cancer in proportion to the amount of percent body fat goes up. 19:34 So does the risk of cancer, because the fat cells itself 19:38 are pro-inflammatory and and excrete cytokines and little kinds. 19:43 So I'm saying there's a lot of different mechanisms via which fried foods 19:47 and excessive consumption drives cancer promoting pathways. 19:52 You know. 19:53 So yeah, the explosion, when you first ask me a question, 19:56 what's driving the explosion of cancer in modern society? 20:00 And it's increasing younger people, I'd have to say a fast 20:03 food revolution's driving it because the lag of 20, 30 years. 20:06 And when I was a kid in the 1960s, I guess there weren't 20:11 any fast food restaurants around. 20:12 You couldn't go and get fried foods and French fries and pizza and burgers 20:17 and all the stuff that people 20:18 you didn't eat so healthy, but at least you ate at home 20:20 and you carried a lunch with you to school. So. 20:22 But but maybe I don't know. 20:24 Well, the diet wasn't that great then either. 20:26 But you see, now we have the advancements in nutritional science, 20:30 which really can make us delineate exactly what we can do 20:34 to relieve us tremendous amount of protection. 20:37 So what we have society moving in direction to get more cancer. 20:41 We have a small segment of society 20:44 becoming more learned in factors that can control our health destiny. 20:49 Yeah. 20:49 And so essentially chips French fries would be then the worst type 20:54 of combination because here you get them the fried fried oils and the, 21:00 you know, the refined, you know, potato 21:03 that's just going to hit sugar and fat into system. 21:06 And then and that's why 21:08 people get addicted to that type of food, because it has that kind of dopamine. 21:12 It kind of it taps into that survival reptilian brain that this hard wired 21:18 for survival and, and to find food way back when was difficult. 21:23 So so you had to have that reward system 21:27 really to drive that individual for survival. 21:29 And now the, you know, foods all, all the food marketers,
Transitioning to a Cancer-Preventive Diet 21:34 I mean that that's what they're using. 21:35 They're using that technology using kind of tapping 21:38 into our reptilian brain, you know, for give that satisfaction. 21:42 And that's what's driving obviously disease. 21:45 Yeah. 21:46 And it's difficult for people to habituate 21:49 once you become habituated to that high caloric intake in those foods, 21:53 then they feel ill when they don't have them. 21:56 And that's called withdrawal. 21:58 With any addiction, there's a high you get when you imbibe 22:02 in the addictive substances, 22:03 but then there's discomfort you get when you try to stop. 22:06 And it's the discomfort because people think fatigue is hunger. 22:10 And when people you put them on a healthy diet, 22:12 they'll say, oh, I couldn't do what? I was too fatigued. 22:15 I was wiped out. I couldn't go to the gym. 22:16 I have to eat before I go to the gym. I'm too wiped out. 22:19 They equate food with fatigue, and they don't realize that the fatigue 22:23 is the withdrawal of the body's in the phase one and phase two 22:29 detoxification from the liver. 22:32 That's enhanced in the catabolic phase of the digestive cycle. 22:37 And when your body is toxic and cancer prone, you're going to experience 22:42 fatigue for a week or two when you the body is now an enhanced cleaning. 22:46 I'm saying that there's two phases of the justice cycle. 22:49 The anabolic phase is while you're digesting and that holds detoxification. 22:54 And then when you start to eat 22:55 right, need less calories, you still getting enough calories. 22:58 And plus you got fat on your body to burn calories. 23:00 The person who's 50 pounds overweight claims 23:02 and not that enough calories 23:03 waking up to eat the calories that are already on their body. 23:05 It's like they missed the whole point, but in any case. 23:08 So they're when they eat a meal, let's say you have a salad and a bowl of vegetable 23:12 being soup, and you finish digesting that in two hours. 23:16 Then you move into the catabolic phase 23:19 of the gesture where you're burning up the store glycogen. 23:22 And in the catabolic phase, where you're not busy absorbing calories, 23:26 you're utilizing the calories that were already absorbed. 23:29 That's when the liver can go into an enhanced 23:33 mode of self cleansing and repair, and the body works in conjunction 23:38 with the liver to help the body start to repair and heal itself. 23:42 Repair is enhanced in the non feeding state. 23:47 And then people feel ill and they're not eating with two hours after they eat 23:50 and they think they're hypoglycemic or they got to keep eating 23:53 to keep their energy up. 23:54 So they think they falsely think that fatigue is a symptom of hunger. 23:59 And they suppress fatigue by continually having to overeat, to inhibit 24:03 the catabolic detox that occurs when you eat unhealthy to people who are. 24:10 So when you're eating a healthy diet, you don't feel anything. 24:13 You can just go without eating, without feeling sick or weak or fatigued 24:16 until the point when you utilized all your stored glycogen and then you get hungry. 24:21 You don't get fatigued. 24:23 Hungary's felt in the upper part of the lower part of the neck, 24:26 upper part of the chest. It's not painful. 24:28 It just makes you want to eat food and it makes food tastes better even. 24:32 But so people think headaches and shakiness and agitation 24:36 and fatigue are symptoms of hunger, and they're never going to succeed 24:40 unless they realize there has to be some payback 24:43 and some withdrawal that occurs, and some discomfort that occurs 24:46 when they go from an unhealthy diet to a healthy diet. 24:49 While the enhanced detoxification channels are turned on. 24:54 It's almost like you're getting off opioids in a way, 24:58 you know, because you have that that dopamine kick from today's food. 25:04 And then withdrawing from that means that those receptors, you know, 25:08 they're waiting for that dopamine kick, they're still there 25:10 and they're going to start to kind of they need to break down in order for us 25:14 to not have that same addiction to that food. 25:18 That's and you're right, it's it's the actual same center of the brain, the, 25:23 the the high these hyper absorbable and hyper palatable foods 25:27 affect the same area of the brains that are affected by opiates. 25:31 Yeah. And so in in your mind. 25:33 Let me say here a person that wants to start on this journey 25:37 to shift and from today's society food 25:41 to more a cancer preventative, nutrient dense type of diet. 25:46 What does that transition look like and how what should a person expect? 25:52 Well, 25:53 even though I'm describing how much discomfort that occurs 25:56 for the most, the vast majority of people, that discomfort is relatively mild. 26:01 And there's no reason to ease into this gradually to to 26:05 you just might as well go into it. 26:06 So people that we just give them tell them exactly what to do. 26:10 We they understand the skeleton and the recipes to make it taste good. 26:14 And they do it and they feel better. 26:16 You know, they might have a couple of days of feeling poorly. 26:19 And some people have prolonged, 26:22 you know, feeling a little poorly for a week or more. 26:24 But the vast majority don't feel bad. It's worth it. 26:27 It's usually worth it to jump right in, because when you start to go baby 26:31 stepping away in, you still lighting the fire under your desires. 26:37 It's like trying to cut out alcoholism by still drinking every other day. 26:42 It just keeps making you want the alcohol more. 26:45 And once you cold turkey the processed foods and you know the high fats 26:50 and the fried foods, you stop wanting them and your body just gets quicker. 26:54 It no longer desiring them. 26:56 And then also that people generally feel so much better that their blood pressure 27:00 normalizes, their blood sugar normalizes, they feel more alert. 27:03 They lose brain, their brain fog, they think more clearly 27:06 and they really start to feel more optimistic and positive. 27:10 So I think it helps the cancer patients psychologically and emotionally as well, 27:15 because they know they're doing something positive for their life 27:18 and they're actively doing it themselves and their involved in their own care. 27:23 And they know from the data that this can have remarkable effects, 27:27 which gives them some hope as well. 27:29 So I think it's one of the most important elements in their
Keto Myths and Patient Success Stories 27:33 recovery plan is to give them this anti-cancer diet program. 27:38 And some people we have the composition that's there. 27:42 You know, sugar feeds cancer. 27:44 And you know, we know refined sugar and all of that. 27:47 That's what it does. 27:48 But then when it comes and eating things like beans, like you're talking about 27:52 how important beans are and all these other foods, and people 27:56 start thinking in their head, well, that's high in sugar and that's high, you know. 27:59 Am I going to feed my cancer or talking about glutamine? 28:03 Yamaga not feed on my cancer with glutamine. 28:05 What are what do you say to people that have those reservations 28:09 or have that running in their head? 28:12 Well, 28:13 they're getting a lot of misinformation on the internet. 28:17 And now keto diets have become popular because people are afraid of eating sugar. 28:21 And they think 28:21 if they keep their carbohydrates very low, it'll help them beat the cancer. 28:25 That's not what the studies show. 28:27 There's there's quite a few studies that show now there's one 28:31 published in 2022 and one published in 2025, 2026 28:35 that showed that it wasn't true, that the cancer that we do best 28:39 with low glycemic carbohydrates and the lowest glycemic hydrate is beans. 28:44 And they because the starches they have a lot of resistance starts. 28:49 And the reason distortion means that there's not resistant starch 28:52 are called slowly digestible carbohydrates. 28:54 So they absorb very slowly. 28:56 They don't strike a strong glycemic load. 28:58 So true. 28:59 White potatoes and white rice and white bread. 29:01 White bread has the same syndic load as sugar almost does. 29:04 And honey, you know. 29:05 So yes, I agree that those foods shouldn't be eaten. 29:08 But when you start to eat vegetables and beans as a source of carbohydrate, 29:12 the glycemic load of the meal is favorable. 29:15 And don't forget that the body fat, the two things that make the make 29:19 for insulin resistance. 29:21 When the insulin resistance creates a prolonged, heightened glucose curve 29:26 after you eat a meal, and the two factors of insulin resistance that work 29:30 synergistically are body higher, body fat 29:34 and the high light load of that meal. 29:38 So when you put all in the food and you're overweight, 29:41 that combines to make whatever glucose is absorbed 29:44 stay elevated and maintained to a longer elevation in the bloodstream. 29:49 So the sink so the diabetes and the prediabetes 29:52 are caused by the fat, not just by the sugar. 29:56 So it's not just avoiding it's avoiding the oil and animal fats. 30:00 So we're saying that you're getting the wrong you know, the wrong type. 30:03 We want to do both. 30:03 We want a relatively low glycemic diet from being vegetables, beans and nuts. 30:08 But we don't want to move towards a diet with and animal 30:11 fats and absorbing and avoiding all carbohydrate. 30:14 When people do that, the event is what happens is the tumors 30:19 activate the back one mechanism and and leads her early metastases. 30:24 You know so we're talking here that keto diets 30:26 when you give more fat in the diet and more animal products 30:30 it turns on the pathway 30:33 which accelerates tumor cells 30:35 have a heightened expression of our hydrocarbon receptors. 30:39 Those our hydrocarbon receptors are blocked by 30:44 garlic and onions in 30:47 and saves and parsley blocked by certain 30:49 plant compounds right and there by animal protein 30:53 but particularly by methionine tryptophan combination. 30:56 Activate the canary pathway. 30:59 When you combine that with a keto type diet, then you're activating 31:03 another mechanism where with a tumor is escaping a low sugar environment. 31:09 By producing earlier metastasize, it actually activates things, you know. 31:13 So we're talking here about the right diet for cancer patients 31:17 clearly is not just is not fearing all carbohydrate, 31:22 it's how it's eating these foods with the most powerful cancer effects. 31:25 And, you know, because we have a lot because we're listening to the science 31:29 and we're modifying our advice based on more evidence we have ever before 31:34 to know the cancer protective effects of certain dietary portfolios. 31:38 Yeah, I love that. 31:39 Then I mean, you've helped so many people. 31:42 Do you have one story 31:43 that kind of sticks in your head in regards to somebody coming to you, 31:47 you know, going through cancer and they've shifted their diet 31:50 to shifted their lifestyle and, you know, and really turned their life around. 31:54 Yeah, I have hundreds of stories. 31:56 But just to give 31:57 but a good stories of people who were to took my advice 25 years ago. 32:01 That's the best stories because the outcome, you know, 32:05 you see the person's doing well. 32:06 But yeah, but you got to follow them for ten years to see. 32:08 They really did well. Right. 32:09 They go to these cancer treatment places and they you don't know if they did. 32:12 Well, you got to wait ten years to see if it really helped them. 32:14 So here's a woman who had metastatic ovarian cancer. 32:17 She had four liters of metastatic fluid in her breast, collapsed the lungs. 32:20 She needed a chest tube. 32:22 And she was given about six months to live. 32:25 And she's still alive as 27 years later, since she's been following this program. 32:29 That's just one case. 32:30 But she's not the only case of ovarian cancer 32:32 that's survived now more than 15 years. 32:34 You know, I had one woman, just one, though, who had metastatic 32:37 breast cancer to the bones that went away, you know, and I've had more 32:41 I've had multiple women who had nine 32:45 Hodgkin's lymphoma that with no treatment, no chemo, just the program 32:50 they just control for their tumors, just gradually shrunk, shrunk, shrunk, 32:54 shrunk, shrunk and melted away. 32:56 I've had more than what happened with more than one person that's been on and 33:00 and and that's the thing is that people equate 33:03 these harsh treatments as being powerful weapons. 33:07 When we look then at this, the simple solution of using food 33:12 as our drug, essentially, I mean, using food as our medicine 33:16 the way it was meant to be and seeing then the impact of that long 33:21 term and and changing a picture that is so dire for an individual 33:26 that you would think because it is so dire, you got to bombard it 33:30 with all these drugs and, and radiation and all all the things that they have now. 33:35 But the, the simple thing, just shifting nutrients, body responding 33:40 and, and the body is then moving towards what is meant to be, 33:44 to be in a state of health. Exactly. 33:46 Now, this case I talked about ovarian cancer. 33:49 She did receive chemo, but even with chemo, because it was too 33:52 much of a bulk of of tumor cells there and chemo reduced that bulk. 33:56 But even when we reduced the bulk of keep tumor cells with chemo, 33:59 there's some stray cells that escape. 34:01 And these women invariably come back and we have recurrence within five years 34:05 and pass away. 34:06 So what the in this case, what the diet and lifestyle did, is it any stray cell 34:11 that escaped it enabled the immune system to clean up the map? 34:14 The aftermath? It's the same. 34:16 So we're talking here about with a cancer 34:18 that's aggressive with a large tumor burden. 34:20 Even when chemo is needed, the nutritional information still changes. 34:23 The long term life expectancy here when tumor is not needed. 34:26 But most cases of breast cancer and prostate cancer, 34:30 those garden variety cancers, that chemo is not effective. 34:35 Then the nutritional approach becomes the major factor 34:38 protecting their longevity, you know, so with with pressed and prostate cancer, 34:42 I'm suggesting that especially in the early stages, you don't have to. 34:47 You can actually change the trajectory of growth of those tumors 34:50 with aggressive nutrition. 34:51 That's the best therapy you could use. 34:53 Yeah. 34:54 And how do people find out more about your program? 34:58 I know you had a lot of amazing books, 35:00 and we we've discussed them in the past and they've I mean, powerful information. 35:05 But what I love about your program is that it is so it is so complete, 35:10 meaning that a person can step into it and it's it's very easy to follow. 35:15 They have all the tools that they need to kind of move through this journey. 35:19 So I really love that aspect. 35:22 So where can people go? 35:24 Thank you. 35:24 It's drfuhrman.com just like dr in my last name. 35:28 Fuhrman.com. 35:31 And they have, you know, menus and recipes and all kinds of things. 35:34 They can get assistance there. 35:36 And if they would pick one book to start reading of yours, 35:40 which, which one would it be in your mind? 35:42 I think the most recent one Eat for life, 35:45 because it has the most updated references and is more than 2000 35:50 scientific references in that book, you know, 35:52 so I think it's better to get the earlier books have similar information, 35:55 but not with the references that are as updated as that one. 35:58 A lot of that. 35:59 Well, always a pleasure, Doctor Fuhrman, thank you so much for what you're doing 36:03 and how you're changing the world and changing health for so many people. 36:07 Thank you so much. Thanks. Thank you too. Thanks for what you do to.
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