All About Breast Implant Illness: A Must-Watch For Implant Bearers

Sarah Phillipe, RN, FDN-P

Of course, It is my pleasure. Thanks for having me.

Sharon Stills, ND

You are so welcome. That is a real specific niche working with breast implant illness. Of course, I am curious, I am like do you have a story like how did you get into that niche? Because it is not one that you see so many people having.

Sarah Phillipe, RN, FDN-P

Yeah. It really is because I went through it myself, this really became my pain to purpose. And when I was a nurse I ended up diving into more of the functional side of things and realized that there are lots of women struggling with this, not just me. And it kind of became my pain to purpose because I have been in the trenches of breast implant illness and a lot of the other things that come along with it, I really understand it, I get it, I understand what women are going through and I know how to help them. That is kind of what got me into this. And my own story, I will share a little bit about that with you all, I kind of take it back to childhood a bit, I will say, the reason I got breast implants in the first place, I think that is really important because so many people struggle with body image and self-worth. And it was kind of thrust upon me at a very young age that breasts really mattered. And someone really important in my life told me, just kind of teasing but maybe a little bit of seriousness in there somewhere, said, “You are going to be four foot 11 just like me, but do not worry because you will have the Johnson boobs,” and it was that point, I was probably ten years old, it was that point, a whole new world opened up to me and I started to kind of make meaning out of what it means to be a woman. And fast forward in time, I did not get the Johnson boobs. And I saw my mom, she was also small-chested like me growing up, being teased by her family and she let it kind of brushed off her shoulder and did not think anything about it, but I did not want that to be me, I wanted to be in a Johnson boob club and I had always struggled with that. All the way through my adult life I struggled with my chest size, my breast size. And I got really into bodybuilding that became a really significant focus. And I decided at that time, looking at all these beautiful really fit women on stage with large breasts, that that is what I needed to complete my look, so to speak, because really, what mattered to me the most at that point was how I looked. And I really did not know who I was at that time outside of my parents. 

And I had breast implants placed and it was probably within about six months I started experiencing symptoms, Hashimoto’s types of symptoms of fatigue, hair loss, weight gain, difficulty keeping weight off, let us see here, irritability, kind of some period problems, things like that. And we ended up going to the doctor but never found any answers. Kind of got the cold shoulder about all the symptoms I was dealing with like it was no big deal, maybe it was all psychosomatic. And things really progressed from there. Fast forward, I ended up going through just layers and layers of new symptoms developing as time went on, food intolerances, gas, bloating, bowel movement issues where it kind of alternated between loose stool and constipation, cystic acne, anxiety, feeling like I was always having heart palpitations even when I was not doing anything, my heart would suddenly just, boom, out of nowhere and it was terrifying. I had insomnia, I could not keep my body temperature up, I would sleep with a hot pack at night, I had racing thoughts, and I was mentally aware of every single breath I took from the moment I woke up to the moment I went to bed, which is very unusual, lots of hormonal imbalances, you name it I had it and it was maddening trying to figure out. Well,  living in my body was maddening because everything around me was too stimulating, light, sound, and chemical smell, it all irritated my nervous system so much and I just wanted to go hide under a rock. And that is eventually what led me to this work and just discovering all the different things I was dealing with along the way and eventually deciding to have the breast implants removed. But when I was going through it there is nobody talking about it.

Sharon Stills, ND

How did you figure out that it was your implant?

Sarah Phillipe, RN, FDN-P

Well, you know you kind of go through the stepwise process of elimination, okay, is it Lyme, is it mold, is it parasites, fungal overgrowth, SIBO, all of the things, and yet, check, I had all of that. I really focused on those things rather than focusing on removing the source of inflammation. And I even asked the different practitioners that I worked with along the way, do you think it could be my breast implants? And everyone said, no, I do not think it is your implants, I think if you addressed these things you will be better. And I held on to that hope even though I had this nagging intuition in the back of my mind that the implants were the cause.

Sharon Stills, ND

I was just being interviewed for someone’s YouTube channel and she said, what is the best in, words of advice and that was what I said, like, trust your intuition, you are just confirming that. But for those listening, trust your intuition, you live in your body, do not let someone tell you you are crazy or that like trust your intuition, trust your gut, it will not lead you astray. I have already 17 questions from your story. And how long ago was that, that you had them removed? Is that a long time ago?

Sarah Phillipe, RN, FDN-P

Yeah, I had them removed in 2017.

Sharon Stills, ND

Okay.

Sarah Phillipe, RN, FDN-P

Yeah.

Sharon Stills, ND

I mean, you look. What was that like when you removed them, did everything subsides or did you still have to go and do some cleanup afterward, what is that typically look?

Sarah Phillipe, RN, FDN-P

My picture was a little different because I had worked on my health for years. Leading up to that point it was six years between the time when I had them placed and I got them out. And it was about a year and a half in I started wondering if it was my breast implants but I just could not trust that intuition and just take that leap of faith and make that choice to excellent. I had done lots of digging, lots of research, learning, addressing all these different what I considered root causes, and working with various practitioners for who had different expertise that I was looking for and I did get better, I would say I got about 50% better. However, the straw that broke the camel’s back for me was struggling with fertility and trying for years to get pregnant and not being able to conceive and just being on my knees more often than not, just looking for the answer, and intuitively, I knew it, I knew I needed to have the implants out. And that is what it came down to, is just feeling like, you know if these implants are affecting my health in this significant of a way, if I were to get pregnant and something were to go wrong I was contributing to health challenges for my unborn child or breastfeeding and that contributing to health challenges for my child, how would I feel about that knowing that I had this gut instinct about it? And that was the reason I ended up getting them removed and did not solve all the problems. I had developed stage four endometriosis and I knew that before I had them removed. I had seen an expert endometriosis doctor and surgeon and I decided that before I go through a laparoscopy I am going to have my implants removed, take the fire away, put out the fire, and then go and have the surgery and I did, I had that surgery afterward, had all that endometriosis removed and it was very invasive. I was on the table for eight hours for that particular surgery and he said it was one of the worst cases he had ever seen and he was really shocked I was not in even more pain than I was already in. And we know that is an estrogen-dominant condition. The breast implants probably fueled that fire. And really whether it was already kind of low-grade present in my body already, I do not know because I never had symptoms before, but even if it was already present it really rubbed me, excuse me, it really rubbed things up for me.

Sharon Stills, ND

Yeah. And I agree with what you said. To me, it is like breast implants, a root canal, or mercury fillings, or focal infection, these are huge fires that need to be removed and might not take care of everything but it is going to take care of a bulk of things. A lot of the women listening were mastering the menopause transition, we are probably in our 40s, or 50s, or 60s, and beyond, you were very fortunate that you had them placed and the symptoms started. Six years, I am sure was a long time to be suffering, but in the big scheme of things I know I see patients in perimenopause and menopause who have had implants for 10 years, 15 years, 20 years, and beyond. And I guess let us just start with first for someone who is listening. You already listed a bunch of symptoms, but how are there other symptoms or how can someone listening who has implants and maybe has been told they are fine, they are not ruptured, how do they know? I have a pretty staunch view about root canals. I was trained in Germany. Root canal do not feel in the mouth. How do you feel about breast implants, is it the same way? I love to hear you speak to that.

Sarah Phillipe, RN, FDN-P

Yeah. I know a lot of people who have breast implants, I have friends who have breast implants, I have fellow functional practitioners who have breast implants and it does not seem to be bothering everybody, but for me, in my mind, it is a ticking time bomb, it is like if it is a problem but when. And I think that is the case with most things, you can say that with mold exposure, you can say that with cavitation, you can say that for amalgam fillings in the mouth, things like that, it is just a time bomb waiting to go off. And I do not look at breast implants as something that really aligns with a healthy lifestyle, they are foreign objects, they cause a lot of problems in the body. And you may be able to manage that for a period of time, given the world that we live in and all of the different things we are exposed to in our country, at some point that bucket is going to overflow, that stress bucket. And all of the different symptoms, there is a list of probably 50 potential symptoms for a breast implant illness. And now that is not to say that all of these symptoms are only specific to breast implant illness, they can cross a lot of different lines for different stressors and different diagnoses. But I will give you an example of a handful of them. And I would say, I had most of these but I have got a list in front of me to share. Things like chronic fatigue, anxiety, panic attacks, depression, suicidal thoughts, heart palpitations, hair loss, insomnia, irritability, inability to cope with stress, chemical sensitivity, sensitivity to light and sound, chest tightness, difficulty taking a deep breath, PMS, irregular periods, heavy bleeding, low sex drive, hormone imbalances, acne, hair loss, did I already say hair loss? Exercise intolerance, cognitive dysfunction, brain fog, difficulty learning new things, forgetfulness, poor word recall, numbness and tingling in the extremities, dizziness upon standing, shortness of breath, static shocks, excessive thirst, frequent urination, cold hands and feet, dry skin, edema, blurry vision, tremors, migraines, headaches, muscle twitches, joint pain, muscle pain, you name it, it is like a whole long list of symptoms.

Sharon Stills, ND

I probably should have asked you what isn’t a symptom? It’s probably a shorter list. That a lot of, and obviously, yes, you could have those symptoms and never have had breast implants and you could have implants and have those symptoms and it may be a contributing factor. But I do agree that it is a foreign object. A couple of questions. First, is there any, for people listening who like testing, is there any testing that they can ask their doctors to do for them to kind of rule in or rule out how much it is contributing?

Sarah Phillipe, RN, FDN-P

That is tricky. Because there really is not a great test out there, I mean, you can look at all kinds of different functional medicine types of testing, you can look at inflammatory markers, you can look at what is going on in the gut, you can look at the immune system, are we dealing with pathogens that we can not get under control with how we normally would handle things like that in a functional health space or with that kind of approach? And for me, it came down to, I have done all these things and I am still not where I want to be, what else is going on here that I am missing? And that is kind of how I look at it. And I always tell my clients to write their story, write me your story, start in utero or at preconception all the way through now tell me all the things, all the stressors you have encountered whether they be physical, chemical, structural, mental, or emotional at all matters and we can kind of see a timeline of events, we can tie symptoms to when those symptoms started and kind of get a picture of what might have been triggers. But it really does not matter in my mind what came first, the breast implants or a chronic illness, it is all a part of the picture and it is never just one thing. And when we are trying to heal the body we have to remove all hidden stressors in order for the body to get back into balance. We can not just focus on one thing and get tunnel vision on that one thing. That tends to be how I approach that. 

And it is really easy to see how somebody got here if they just write out their story, tell us that story. Yeah. And for testing outside of that, something that could be helpful may not always be helpful but it is possible, would be a breast MRI. And you can do that impossibly, I do not know for sure because I can not speak for him. But there is a doctor in Spain, I believe, I can not remember exactly where he is from, Dr. Eduardo Fleury. He has created a specific type of basically settings for an MRI to look for a granuloma around the breast implant, he would be diagnosing basically based on the findings of that MRI. That is his way of diagnosing technically breast implant illness. Now, we do not have a diagnosis for it, really, there is no ICD-10 code for breast implant illness, this is just objective data. And he is looking for silicone granuloma. And people who have silicone granulomas that are observable on MRI that is very connected with the symptoms of breast implant illness and he calls it SIGBIC which is silicone-induced granuloma of the breast implant capsule. That is one way.

Sharon Stills, ND

Are there any antibodies or anything that you can run for silicone, does that exist?

Sarah Phillipe, RN, FDN-P

Not that I am aware of there. I can not speak to this particular test yet, but there may be a test that a colleague and I, well, it is really her, she is going to tell me about it soon, have discovered that might be able to tell us about silicone in the body, meaning like silicone toxicity, how is the immune system responding to it, things like that. But I do not have enough information to share about it at this time but just know that information may be coming soon.

Sharon Stills, ND

Interesting. Yeah. Because I am always searching, can I do antibodies, can I do that? And it is a diagnosis of exclusion and that pisses me off that there is no ICD-10 code for it yet there is an ICD-10 code for menopause when menopause is not a disease but a normal transitional process it just shows how this is so underestimated. Why are they so toxic? And also speak to, well, I did not get the silicone ones, I got the saline ones so I am okay if you can bust that myth. And what is in them that they are so toxic?

Sarah Phillipe, RN, FDN-P

Yeah. Silicone breast implants contain 39 known toxins not just the silicone. But the silicone is the most pervasive of all of the ingredients in the implants, mostly silicone. Silicone itself is a neurotoxin and an endocrine-disrupting chemical. And there is a lot of different monomers and polymers of silicone within the implants and when it enters our body, we do not know what happens, does our bodies start degrading that, does our body start metabolizing those molecules of silicone, and then if it is breaking it down, is it breaking it down into D4, D5, D6, these are all different monomers of silicone. And some of them are incredibly toxic, you have more volatile compounds and then you have more actual physical compounds. There is a number of reasons why those are really toxic. And it is not just breast implants, I mean, silicone has replaced plastic essentially, it is very pervasive in our environment, we are bioaccumulating this and it is a persistent organic pollutant that is very difficult to get rid of, we do not even know if we can get it out. That is still being researched and we do not have evidence of that yet. The best that we know is that bodywork and heat and sweating, just get that lymph moving. Because we do not really know if it is coming out or not. We know sometimes we see it coming out of different body orifices it makes its way somehow, but it can really get stuck, it is very gummy and sticky, and that is the whole cohesiveness of it. While it may be different from the Dow Corning implants that were liquid it does not stay put, it does not stay put in that cohesive gel it migrates. Other toxins that are in breast implants are cyclohexane, ethyl acetate, ethylene oxide, epoxy hardener, epoxy resin, formaldehyde, heavy metals like aluminum, platinum, and tan, and mercury, lacquer thinner, lead-based solder, metal cleaning acid, methyl ethyl ketone, phenol, printing ink, polyvinyl chloride, silica, silicone, of course, silicone, sodium fluoride, stearic acid, talcum powder, toluene, zinc oxide xylene, a lot of these are neurotoxins and carcinogens.

And it is this chemical toxic soup that we are being exposed to. And the problem with this is that it is none of this is inert. Some of this we do not know what they do to the body. And studies have shown that silicone implants do bleed at body temperature, we call that gel bleed. And it is never really been studied long-term inside a human body. We can put it on a shelf and say, no, it does not bleed, it is been ten years, it is been there, and it looks the same, but when you heat it up it is like heating up plastic. We do so much to avoid plastic these days, we do not heat our food in plastic in a microwave, we do not drink out of plastic bottles at home sitting in the heat all day, and we look for BPA-free plastics but here we are heating up silicone in our bodies and it is just bleeding and migrating and it is just there is so much dense lymphatic tissue in the breast area. And the lymph is the highway, the lymph is what moves all the trash and all the nutrients.

Sharon Stills, ND

I thought when you go to get an implant they do not read through that very scary list you just read.

Sarah Phillipe, RN, FDN-P

No, they do not.

Sharon Stills, ND

And the saline ones, if you could just speak to that have the saline.

Sarah Phillipe, RN, FDN-P

Yeah.

Sharon Stills, ND

Just as bad.

Sarah Phillipe, RN, FDN-P

Yeah. The saline implants have their own problems and it is a couple of different things. Even though they are saline they do have a silicone shell. Just because you had saline implants does not mean that you are out of the woods with a silicone exposure, you are still getting that exposure. And then they also have a valve that is used to fill the implant with saline, they are placed empty and then they go in and they fill it up with saline to the desired size. What can happen is that valve is supposed to be one way, it is supposed to only be going one direction to allow them to fill that implant, it can either be defective upon implantation that sometimes happens or it can become damaged over time through just normal user wear, or a car accident, or an injury, or fall, or something like that and then once that valve is defective now you have fluid that can go in and out. And if you have fluid that can go in and out other things can go in and out, microorganisms and mold is an example. And there are some cases, now, this is not really common but it has happened, where someone will have their implants removed and they are completely black on the inside and that is mold. Mold is growing like it is a petri dish inside. And just imagine it is like living in a house and that is moldy, however, you can not just move out, you can move out of your house but this is in your body 24 seven, day in and day out, it is with you when you go to work, it is with you when you are on errands, it is not you are only there part of the time and only having this exposure part of the time, it is 24 seven.

Sharon Stills, ND

Such a good point. We talk about mold exposure and we forget about if you have an implant that could be a huge source of it living right there within you. It is not to, if you are sitting there like, my God, knowledge is power and I know this, you might have to go take a deep breath because if you have never heard of this before it can knock you to your knees. But it is really important information and something that could be at the top of a preventative list. It is like how I work with patients if someone has, as we are talking about teeth issues, or implants, or heavy metal load, or scars, or so forth, if we want to clear the field so healing can occur these things need to be addressed. Let us talk about if someone is like, alright, well, now I just learned about this so I want to go on a journey and figure out how to get them removed, could you speak about this surgery and what they should know to have the proper surgery to make sure they are explanted properly? Because I know it breaks my heart when someone goes to. And I do a lot of work with teeth. And it breaks my heart when someone is well-meaning and they hear me talk on the podcast and they go off but they forgot to listen to the whole thing I said and they have something done improperly. And so, I am going to remove your breast implants which we support you on that, what do they need to know so they do it properly?

Sarah Phillipe, RN, FDN-P

I would say, there are lots of Facebook groups for this topic, many. And I think those can be some, I mean, I do not always say this about Facebook groups, but that can be one of the most helpful places to gather some information, women who have gone before you and already been there, they are on the other side, they have a lot of wisdom to impart, that can be helpful. I caution people, though, because you spend too much time in a Facebook group it tends to be a lot of victim mentality and that is not helpful, just guard yourself from that, protect yourself from that because we do not want to be victims, we want to be victors. And I think that is really important to pay attention to. And as far as proper procedure, it is important to make sure you are seeing an expert in an explant procedure, people who believe in breast implant illness, someone who understands it and believes what you are saying is true, believe that you are struggling with your health at least partly because of having breast implants. There are many surgeons out there, especially surgeons who still place them who will not acknowledge that, and who do not believe in it. And if someone does not believe that it is a problem, how can you trust that they are going to do the best job for you and do everything possible to make sure you have the best outcome? 

And what you want is you want to make sure that the surgeon is performing an on-block explant procedure wherever possible. It is not always possible but if it is that is what you want, that is ideal. And what that means is they are removing the implants with the capsule, the scar tissue around it intact without cutting that scar tissue open. And the reason that is important is because if you have a rupture and you do not always know from imaging if there is a rupture, there can be false positives and false negatives. If there is a rupture the scar tissue is cut open you risk all of that silicone or saline and mold, just spilling out into the chest cavity and traveling through the lymph and making its way throughout the whole body that I would consider to be a disaster, that is just, I mean, I can not even imagine. You want to protect the rest of your body from all of that. And then if unblock is not possible they do the best they can, they need to make sure all the capsule is removed. Because the capsule if it remains. There are people I have talked with and worked with who have had to go back for a second surgery with a different surgeon because they thought their capsules were removed, they were told they are capsules removed and they were not. And they may even have two, three, or four capsules from prior surgeries where they are having their implant swapped out. All of the capsule material needs to be removed because if it is left behind there is still antigen material in that capsule, there is still possibly infectious material, different microorganisms, biofilm, and toxic compounds that have made their way into the matrix of that capsule and that continues to stimulate the immune system, continues to contribute to the toxic load and people do not get better. That is really important, making sure all of that capsule comes out. This is another reason why the surgeon should really be well-versed in this particular procedure and have a lot of experience because if your implants are under the muscle likely they have adhered to the rib cage and there is some scraping involved, getting them off. And most surgeons are not comfortable doing that because there is a risk of puncturing the lungs and creating a pneumothorax, that is a whole nother situation they want to avoid. Someone who is very skilled, very confident, and very comfortable doing the surgery is really important.

Sharon Stills, ND

Is there a list anywhere of skilled surgeons that the listeners can go look at?

Sarah Phillipe, RN, FDN-P

There is. There is a really great website, it is actually not mine, I tend to focus more on getting people ready for surgery and then post excellent healing, but there is a great website for all of the other things you want to know, it is called breastimplantillness.com. And there is a list of surgeons that are recommended by country and state. And then there also information is also there about those surgeons, how much they charge whether they do unblock, whether they take pictures of the implants in the capsules when they are removed. I think that is important because you want proof. Do not trust anyone for their word, do not take anyone from their word when it comes to.

Sharon Stills, ND

Good advice.

Sarah Phillipe, RN, FDN-P

It is too important. You need proof, do they send what might be infectious material to pathology for testing that can be very enlightening as well, do they put drains in afterwards, do they test for BIA ALCL which is a cancer of the immune system connected to breast implants, do they tests aromas and capsules and different things like that, do they give you your implants back afterward which you want, just in case, you were to ever want to do further testing later or if you were involved in a lawsuit like you want to have that those are yours, you paid for them so you should be getting them back.

Sharon Stills, ND

Interesting. Good advice. We are winding down, but I do just want to touch upon. You talked about you do a lot of work post explant, if you could just speak to that a little that it is not just you, what is the journey after? This is a journey, this is realizing it to have the surgery, getting prepped for surgery, and then what is the journey post-surgery?

Sarah Phillipe, RN, FDN-P

Yeah. It absolutely is a journey. And I will say I want to leave your audience watching this with hope. Because oftentimes you will see people speaking about this online, talking about their own story and it is a very miraculous kind of experience of, I had my implants out, here I was before, this is what I was with, this is what I looked like and here I am the next day and I am all better and I look fabulous and that is just not the case for everyone. And of course, I do not speak to that, I am a little biased I do not speak to all the women who are all better, I tend to see the ones who are not better and that is because they need help. And that does not mean that you can not get there, it is about, if looking at that story, first of all, that whole entire picture, the big picture of what else is going on it is almost never just one thing. Just because you have had your implants out and you do not feel better if that happens to be the case just know you absolutely can heal it is just a matter of discovering what else is a part of your picture, addressing those hidden stressors or root causes, working with some kind of practitioner who operates from more of a functional holistic kind of perspective, can approach it from a whole person perspective and not leave any stone unturned. And I think that is really important. 

And after explant all the things we kind of lightly touched on or what we look for, we look for cavitations, we look for amalgams, we look for mold, we look for what other emotional traumas might there be that might be blocking someone’s ability to make progress and heal. Because it all matters and it all starts to add up and we want to start identifying those things and start working on them. And when we remove enough of the stress from the body, the body is intelligent, it wants to get back to balance, that is what it is striving for and  just removing enough of that and coating the body back up to healing it is absolutely possible. And there is lots of stories of women who maybe did not have that miraculous healing experience post explant who have gotten there and have gotten their lives back doing the work right. We have to take radical personal responsibility for our health, not blaming else, not blaming the FDA, not blaming our doctors for not giving us all the information, radical or personal responsibility and that means you are able and willing to take the necessary actionable steps in order to get your health back.

Sharon Stills, ND

Yes. And we are out of time, but I just want to also just say because I think we could have had a whole interview on what you spoke to in the beginning about the, was it the Johnson boobs?

Sarah Phillipe, RN, FDN-P

Yes.

Sharon Stills, ND

And the emotions and why you put them in and what your breasts mean to you and what does it mean when you explant and now you are much more flat chested? We did not give a lot of focus to that, but I just want to leave you all with this, we are not ignoring that and that is a journey to take as well and to learn to love and appreciate yourself. And it might mean going back and doing some inner, child inner teenager, abusive relationships, whatever it is, whether it is from your parents or the boys at school or that made you feel that you needed to have your boobs be bigger to begin with and why that is and maybe it is. I work with a lot of oncology, patients people who are dealing with a cancer diagnosis, and a lot of times they put in implants after having a mastectomy and it is an intense conversation about now, that is not a good option either and we are trying to clear the field and not another cancer and not create  a little dysfunction. And I think you did a beautiful job in the time that we had. And really, I think we had some just like I told you, you were going to leave this conversation kind of having an acknowledgment and knowing and I think we really did a good job with that. And if this is you and you are sitting there and this is a journey that you are like, I need to explore, I do not want you to think this was it, this is like we opened the door for you. And where can people learn more about you and the work you do?

Sarah Phillipe, RN, FDN-P

Yeah, they can. My website, reversingbreastimplantillness.com is a good starting place. I also, my YouTube channel which is my name actually not Reversing Breast Implant Illness but Sarah Phillipe, you can find me on there, there are several stories that I have shared on there of different women who have gone through all of this. And I think it is really helpful to watch and hear stories because you can start to see yourself in that. Start to connect some dots.

Sharon Stills, ND

Yeah. And it goes with, I say menopause with my parentheses around the pause and it is really this time in our lives as women to pause and really think about our lives where we need to grow, acknowledging the work we have done, where we are headed, and what do our breasts mean to us and what does getting healthy and what are we going to choose is looking a certain way more important than walking around with a toxic load in your chest. And these are not easy questions necessarily to answer because a lot of us could have very intense stories around breasts and looks. And check out Sarah’s work, talk to a therapist, find a good doctor, and find a team, this is a journey this is not a one-and-done kind of thing. I just want to be clear with that. But it is very important. 

I personally curate what we are going to talk about at each summit. And I wanted to make sure that this was included because a lot of you are probably sitting there and do have implants and did need to hear this information. Thank you so much for coming and sharing it and changing lives and opening doors. And so if that is you, check out Sarah and go have a cup of tea and just exhale and kind of, it is going to be okay. Surround yourself with a team that can support you, you do not have to go it alone. Drink that tea, do some yoga, meditate, and start to work on a plan for yourself. And be sure to join us for our next interview. And thanks for being here and thanks for caring about your health. Sometimes healing and sometimes they are fun conversations and sometimes they are a little more intense. And I always acknowledge your willingness to be here and be taking your time to be learning about what you can do to improve your health. That means a lot. Until next time.