Full Transcript Podcast Intro and Guest Background 0:00 When you're looking at different devices and what's different from like a higher 0:03 therapy device, then what we sell is the wavelength that they're promoting. 0:07 So typically red light is going to be at your 650 range, which means it's 0:12 not getting as deep into the tissue the way the wave of light moves. 0:17 So it's having more of like a dermal surface level effect. 0:22 And that's why the lower range is actually better for hair growth. 0:25 So if something someone wants hair growth, almost don't buy a device. 0:28 They can get better devices for it. 0:30 Does our device help with hair growth? 0:32 Yes, but it's not the primary purpose and there's more effective ones. 0:36 Welcome to Doctor Talks, the podcast where every episode leads to a healthier you. 0:42 Join us as we navigate the world of optimal health, 0:44 uncovering groundbreaking strategies to conquer chronic disease. 0:48 In each episode, we'll bring you the latest insights 0:51 from leading health experts, medical innovators, and wellness warriors. 0:55 If you're seeking to transform your health journey, 0:58 or if you're looking for answers to burning questions. 1:01 You've come to the right place. 1:03 Get ready to unlock the secrets of lifelong health and vitality. 1:07 This is Doctor Talks, 1:09 real talk from real doctors on the issues that matter to you most. 1:15 Hello everyone. 1:16 Welcome back to the Integrative Health Podcast. 1:19 Today we're going to be talking about some really cool new technology 1:23 for brain health. 1:25 Today we're going to be talking to Liam Pingree. 1:27 He's an entrepreneur and a co-founder of Neurotic Innovation Company 1:32 dedicated to enhancing brain function across all stages of life. 1:36 Formerly a member of Forbes Business Council and a Wall Street banker, 1:40 he now focuses on advancing neuro technological solutions. 1:44 Welcome, Liam. I'm so excited to have you. 1:47 And just I we would love to know, like, why did you get into 1:52 medical and tech in medicine? 1:55 Because you were you're on Wall Street. 1:57 So that's a that's a big change. 1:59 It was basically at the time. 2:01 And thanks for having me on on your podcast. 2:04 Basically when Covid had happened, I was working in New York in HSBC 2:08 on the trading floor, and we kind of got 2:11 the signal that this is going to be stayed around for a long time. 2:14 This epidemic, everyone was talking about it. 2:17 It was in the news. 2:18 And at the same time, the Black Lives Matter movement was ongoing 2:22 and that was very heavily, I would say, in the news around that time. 2:27 And there was a lot of riots and, and police presence in the city. 2:30 We were told to work from home. 2:32 That was sensitive information, so not everyone could actually work from home. 2:35 I was one of those people and I couldn't sit too long. 2:38 So I essentially had this idea for many years ago 2:42 where I'd seen this gentleman put a bucket on his head that I'd lights inside 2:47 on the video and reported is symptoms improved from Parkinson's. 2:51 And at the time, I thought it was like fake news and I didn't really believe it, 2:55 but as it were, I had wrote down in my journal this idea 2:59 and I looked into the research on it, and there was actually 3:02 a lot behind light therapy and followed by modulation. 3:05 And from the first time I looked into the industry to when I looked 3:10 during Covid, during the pandemic, there was so much more. 3:13 And now we've just crossed the mark as of December. 3:17 Over 10,000 publications. 3:18 And for the bio modulation on the NIH PubMed database. 3:22 So it's a really exciting time. 3:24 And we're jumping back to the story. 3:27 When I had seen this video of the guy Max, 3:29 or using this helmet or, sorry, this bucket on his head. 3:33 He had basically seen research that was done on mice, and the research 3:38 that was done had shown that, 3:39 hey, this improves this type of light therapy improves your symptoms. 3:43 And he went to his local GP. 3:44 He said, can I try this? 3:46 And the doctor said, under no circumstance should you try this. 3:49 There's no human evidence. He did it anyway. 3:52 He he made a at home makeshift bucket, put it on his head. 3:56 Max was playing the piano again and yeah, the rest was history.
How Liam Got Into Neurotechnology 4:00 I someone that went through cancer and then suffered with memory loss. 4:04 So I could see how this could impact you on a personal level 4:07 to the stage where she couldn't recognize the face walking into the room. 4:11 And I thought we could do something better, 4:13 put a bit of design into this, make a user friendly device 4:16 and put research behind it and it started out like that. 4:19 And I suppose five years later, here we are releasing new products. 4:23 Now a larger team and able to to do more and make it more affordable to people. 4:29 So that's amazing. 4:31 And I think it's really important to have business people like you because 4:36 you have an idea and you can scale it because as as you probably have found out, 4:40 doctors don't want anything to do with running a business. 4:44 They, you know, they might use the product and love it, 4:46 but it's it's hard when you want to be just where we're at working with patients. 4:50 So it's it's really great. And 4:52 especially having the evidence behind it and all the studies like you said. 4:56 So then you can bring it, 4:58 you know, back to that one guy's doctor and say, look, here's 5:02 the evidence, because there's actually a lot of evidence on photo bio modulation. 5:06 It's just not it's still like a newer field. 5:09 I feel like, especially with brain health, lots of studies 5:12 on how it's helpful with long haul and actual. 5:17 You know, during the pandemic too. 5:19 And if anyone hasn't caught your accent. 5:22 So tell us about like where you're from 5:25 and how you ended up, you know, on Wall Street. 5:29 So I'm from Ireland. 5:30 I was actually born to born in England, but I moved to Ireland 5:34 when I was very young, and I did my a schooling there. 5:38 I went to college on the West Coast. 5:41 So Galway, if anyone knows it, if they've explored Ireland. 5:44 And I did a Bachelor of Business. 5:47 So international commerce and this four year program, 5:52 was to go on an abroad like an exchange. 5:55 And I studied over in Minnesota kind of Fargo-Moorhead area. 6:00 And I met another gentleman over there and we shared 6:03 entrepreneurship class together, and we got on quite a lot Mervyn shoulder 6:08 and we stayed in touch and I was just studying 6:11 and basically focused on finance, economics, international business. 6:15 And by the time I graduated, I thought I wanted to be an investment banker. 6:20 Because it's hard work ethic. 6:22 I always wanted to stay busy. 6:24 I think I'm a very driven person that way, and I liked finance. 6:27 So I applied for a program and I got accepted, interviewed with HSBC, 6:33 and then I was working on their training for their pricing, the risk derivatives. 6:38 So it was a lot of a technical job, I would say completely different 6:42 from what I do now. 6:43 And I like to for different reasons, but I much prefer what I do now. 6:48 And it was during the time studying abroad in Fargo, Minnesota, 6:52 that I met Mervyn Lowman, shown, and the other co-founder of the company. 6:55 Oh, cool. Wow. 6:56 I love how just, you know, God's plan for everything and how it works out. 7:00 And here you are now, just helping Will 7:04 and you're going to help even more people with this technology. 7:07 So let's talk a little bit about what light therapy is. 7:11 And photo bio modulation. Like what is it? 7:15 It's not like you were saying, you know, lights in a bucket. 7:18 So I guess let's get a little bit more nerdy about it. 7:21 Right? Right. 7:22 So the most basic way to understand light is think of it coming from the sun. 7:28 So 49% of the sun's natural light is actually near infrared light, 7:33 which is a certain spectrum of light. 7:35 And it gives energy to all the life plants, everything 7:38 on this planet, essentially. 7:40 And what we've done is we've chosen a specific 7:43 wavelength of light, the 1064 to 1070. 7:46 And that nanometer can actually penetrate 7:48 further into the skull and target the tissue that we want to. 7:51 This was shown in a study in Texas A&M by Honolulu. 7:57 And what it shown was it can actually penetrate further than other 8:00 wavelengths of light and actually have a longer sustained effect. 8:04 So that's why we we chose that, go back to what is light therapy. 8:08 Well, it's the light photo meaning light bio biology 8:13 and modulation to change for the light change in your biology. 8:17 And so what happens is when the light shines, it goes through the skull. 8:21 It targets the mitochondria. 8:24 And the mitochondria react in a certain way to actually produce more ATP. 8:29 So that's the ATP that your body and brain need to function. 8:32 And its best, it's the energy essentially that will we live and thrive on. 8:36 That's really cool. 8:37 Now what are the benefits. 8:41 So we talked a little bit about what light therapy is. 8:44 So why why do we need like extra light therapy I guess right. 8:48 If we get a lot from the sun you never get the same dosage from the sun. 8:53 And you also get a lot of the other lights. 8:55 You know, you can get burnt in the sun, stand out too long, you can get fatigue. 8:58 But with this, you're just getting the kind of one
What Photobiomodulation Is 9:01 that you essentially need, and you get a lot more focus of it. 9:04 And the benefits really range across an array 9:07 of different applications, conditions to people. 9:10 Formance. 9:11 But essentially what you're getting is you're getting that extra increase 9:14 in ATP production. 9:15 So increased cellular energy, you get an increased, 9:19 blood flow and you're getting a decrease in inflammation. 9:22 And they're like the three fundamentals 9:25 that if you read any light therapy paper, journal book, 9:28 they're going to be the three kind of core things that people talk about. 9:32 But one thing I'm really excited for is all the research 9:36 that's coming out on the lymphatic drainage system. 9:39 So the idea system, similar to the lymphatic, is just the part 9:42 that goes up your neck and then to your your kind of head occurs 9:46 mainly when you sleep. 9:47 It's the waste removal process that occurs. 9:50 And what research is showing is the full bio 9:53 modulation is actually helping accelerate that process. 9:56 Removing more toxins. 9:58 And thus may be putting you in a deeper sleep. 10:01 So I'm really excited about this. 10:03 There's been some publications coming out and there's more I think 10:06 was the 31st March. 10:08 So like two days ago, 10:09 there was another paper just released on the on the topic, 10:11 and I've yet to digest it all. 10:13 And when I do like relay that back to you, but it's just kind of more showing up. 10:17 Yeah. 10:18 Send that paper to me if you can remember, and I'll include it in the show notes 10:22 and and. Yeah. 10:23 And then this red light therapy and photo bio modulation really helps mitochondria. 10:27 And that's where you're getting the increased ATP. 10:30 I the I'm Fedex. 10:31 That was fascinating because I just there's 10:35 so much neuroinflammation going on right now from toxins and you know with 10:40 with the lymphatics if you're getting poor sleep, you're not detoxing as well. 10:45 Correct. 10:46 Exactly. Yeah. And that's the premise of it. 10:49 I mean, if you if the waste is still build up in your system, all the plaques 10:53 and it's not being removed, of course it's going to slow down. 10:56 And there's a link as well to the amount of buildup, 10:58 especially in older people, obviously living for a lot longer. 11:02 That this is actually quite a big link to people struggling 11:05 with Alzheimer's disease. 11:07 So I wouldn't be surprised if, you know, in another couple of years, 11:09 there's a large study done and we can see, you know, the impact, 11:13 when we can measure all this. 11:15 So, yeah, very, very exciting time. 11:17 And then in terms of other conditions, we've seen progress work on ADHD, 11:22 kids with autism, people with traumatic brain injury, 11:26 Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, long Covid, long Covid was an event 11:30 that we actually published study on, those 14 people using the device 11:35 and actually a new infrared light therapy bed. 11:38 And I think you said that already, like, you know, using light therapy 11:41 for the body as well. 11:43 Well, you can do either. 11:44 But if you want like apparatus that's, you know, easier to carry around. 11:47 Maybe you're just wanting to use the helmet as opposed to a big bed. 11:50 I think both options are really good and full body is definitely beneficial. 11:55 But in the study, we were able to show that after just four weeks of using both 11:58 two different groups, seven and eight, there was significant improvement. 12:02 That's amazing. 12:03 So what makes your company's product different? 12:07 I know you said you have a new model out, right? 12:11 And and and if you guys haven't seen it. 12:14 So it's actually like a helmet. 12:15 And those watching on YouTube can see. 12:18 So it's actually a helmet. 12:19 And then what is coming out in the helmet. 12:22 So essentially 12:24 what's different and why is that unique I suppose we've come back from scratch. 12:29 We have another device on market. 12:30 And this one we've gone back to the design, 12:32 the usability, how comfortably it sits on your head. 12:36 So we have like a different strap, an adjuster that you can adjust 12:39 the wheel there and then foam pads so it can sit quite snug on your head. 12:43 I mean, it's not going to move too much. 12:45 And we even have people doing yoga with it. 12:47 The inside the device is 300 LEDs, nine of which are ultra LEDs, 20 times 12:53 more powerful than the standard, and they're also at the 1017 nanometer 12:56 wavelength, 12:57 which again relates back to what I was explaining earlier on the science 13:01 that they can penetrate further and have a longer sustained effect. 13:04 A lot of other red light, and they're infrared 13:06 light devices are at 650 or 810 for the brain. 13:10 We found this to be the most effective one. 13:12 And based on the research that we had seen and the study mentioned, 13:16 this device, I guess, is portable. 13:18 It comes with like a little battery pack. 13:20 So you can just plug that into the the back of the device and you're good to go. 13:24 You can press the button on the side. 13:26 And that starts the program. 13:28 Or you can connect it with your phone up. 13:30 And now you can actually track all the sessions that you have, 13:33 which I think is what a lot of people want. 13:36 People are moving more into like trackable data wearables. 13:39 And so having this on an app that shown, hey, did you charge your brain today? 13:43 Did you use it? 13:44 And then seeing the results after like weeks? 13:46 Because we have in-built surveys and the promise ton William 13:49 to collect all this data, see what people are using it for 13:53 and then understand which program they're using. 13:55 And then the progress they have. 13:57 So I think that's 13:57 why we're a bit different in collecting this data is going to hopefully open
Benefits for Brain Health and Inflammation 14:01 the the field up to understanding exactly how to apply the like, 14:05 you know, what duration, what pulse rate, what intensity. 14:09 Because I think that's still a bit unknown in the field. 14:11 Yeah. 14:11 Now this helmet device is different 14:13 from the ones out there that you put on your head for hair growth. 14:17 Correct. 14:19 Oh yeah. Yeah, definitely. 14:20 Can you explain the difference? 14:21 Because I think and I get so many questions on my Instagram, 14:25 how do you know you're getting a product that's good. 14:28 How do you know what you're actually getting. 14:30 Because you know you can get you can just click it in or people 14:34 go to Amazon because they want the thing and it's like, don't do that. 14:38 So can you explain what to look for, why it's different? 14:43 Thank you. 14:43 I think I think it's a hard question because I can throw it back 14:47 and kind of say, how do you decide on anything? 14:50 You look for enough reviews. 14:53 You look for a company that's been around for a few years. 14:55 You're looking for a good rating. 14:57 You're looking for one that looks like it's being used, 15:00 and maybe there's a doctor that recommended it. 15:02 I think those are the basic things we look for when we buy anything. 15:06 But how do you actually know? 15:07 Unless you're testing with your own measurement devices 15:10 that range from a couple hundred to tens of thousands, 15:13 it's very hard to know unless it's coming from like a reputable company. 15:17 Typically, when you're looking at different devices 15:20 and what's different from like a higher therapy device, 15:23 then what we sell is the wavelength that they're promoting. 15:26 So typically red light is going to be at your 650 range, which means it's 15:31 not getting as deep into the tissue the way the wave of light moves. 15:36 So it's having more of like a dermal surface level effect. 15:40 And that's why the lower range is actually better for high growth. 15:43 So if something someone wants high growth alma don't buy a device. 15:47 They can get better devices for it. 15:49 Does our device help with higher growth? 15:51 Yes, but it's not the primary purpose and there's more effective ones. 15:55 So that's definitely something to be clear 15:57 I was going to say, if you're doing all this stuff 15:59 stimulating the mitochondria, helping stress, helping inflammation, 16:03 you're going to better hair growth because that gets to the root cause more. 16:07 So literally the root cause dad joke. Yeah. 16:10 Anyway, okay, we had someone on, on Facebook 16:13 who was with two and a half years ago and she bought the device. 16:17 And one day we had this huge spike in traffic, and we went searching 16:21 on the internet, as you do, to figure out where it came from. 16:24 And someone had posted this picture and it was her at the back of her head 16:27 and just her long, gorgeous hair. 16:30 And there was like over 100 likes on the post 16:32 and everyone was talking about it. Then for for 16:34 how it's not the primary reason but the, the secondary effect. 16:38 Yeah. That's awesome. 16:40 So what are what are the downsides with with this? 16:43 I like most things that are functional integrative medicine. 16:47 I tell people the only downside is cost. 16:50 But I mean really there's no there's no contraindications really for this. 16:55 Just probably open maybe open wound I don't what would it know. 16:59 Because that would help. 16:59 Probably no contraindications. 17:01 Right. Exactly. 17:03 You would just about to say I think wound recovery. 17:05 But actually back in 1970 it was used on 17:08 the International Space Station for wound recovery, acceleration. 17:11 So it helps with the side effects. 17:14 When you're talking about light therapy with LEDs specifically, 17:18 there are no no known side effects from it. 17:21 It's minimally invasive like or sorry, it's noninvasive. 17:24 And the side effects, if you use it for over an hour, 17:28 a period of time, you may feel like a bit of fatigue 17:31 that you've just been out in the sun too long. 17:33 Typically, that's the main thing that people would feel. 17:36 People are super sensitive and they use it for this period. 17:39 They may feel a bit dizzy. 17:40 But like 99% of people, they're going to put this on 17:43 and there's no known side effects to it, 17:46 which is really cool because we're able to help with so many different things. 17:50 Fundamentally helping alleviate symptoms with so many conditions. 17:54 And yet it's really it's something that's not damaging at all. 17:58 All the research has suggested it to be safe, and it's medically approved 18:01 or classified as non a class to device. 18:05 Yeah. 18:05 And that's what's great is you know like I talk about a lot of things 18:09 we don't want to do harm or have side effects. 18:13 So if we can use something that's minimal side effects 18:16 but positive results, that's key. 18:19 And and it's not like medication. 18:21 So think about dementia and ADHD. 18:24 We put people on medications 18:26 for those that have side effects and addictive qualities. 18:29 I think I just saw a study today how one out of four stimulant users 18:32 for ADHD are abusing it, like snorting it or whatever, right? 18:37 So this isn't good. 18:39 So anything that we can do 18:40 that is minimally invasive, it works with our body as best. 18:44 So how long would people use this? 18:48 Because there is that sweet spot for photo bio modulation 18:52 where we don't want to wear it 24 hours a day, 18:54 but we also just don't want to use it five minutes a day. 18:56 Could you go through that a little bit for us? 18:59 Yeah for sure.
Device Design and Wavelength Differences 19:00 So typically there's a thing in life therapy called the biphasic dose response. 19:05 And it's like the Goldilocks too much too little, 19:08 but essentially between 5 to 15 minutes for a lot of people that's going to work. 19:13 And it might sound 19:14 like a short amount of time, but it is, and it's enough time to have a good effect 19:18 with the kind of output that we're providing with this device. 19:21 I think some devices maybe even shorter if they're higher output 19:24 and then others, it might be a longer period of time. 19:27 I would put out a general statement saying anywhere between 5 and 30 minutes 19:31 using light therapy, and you're going to be somewhere within like a sweet spot. 19:36 So it's not something that you need to use every day or, sorry, all day. 19:39 But if you use it a little bit every day, I think is very effective. 19:42 I know in the long Covid study, it was three times a week, 19:46 so people didn't even need to use it every day. 19:48 Oh that's cool. 19:49 I was thinking, oh my goodness. 19:51 So I've been homeschooling my kids since I was in Tennessee, and I'm like, 19:54 I think I have a biphasic response to my boys 19:58 being at home because they're so sweet and I love being around them, 20:02 but I'm just overstimulating, so that kind of makes sense. 20:05 I need to you need to think of it the same way. 20:08 Anyway. 20:09 Any homeschooling moms out there, they know what I'm talking about. 20:12 So what? 20:13 So say you wear the helmet for specifically 20:17 for that need because there is benefit to having it right on the scalp. 20:22 Correct. 20:22 If you're just standing in front of a red light, it's not going to be the same. 20:28 Correct? 20:29 Yeah. 20:29 I think it's kind of going into a topic 20:32 that's still like debated in the science. 20:35 And I don't think everyone knows 20:37 the full answers, but obviously the closer it is, the better. 20:41 And I think that's the general consensus. 20:43 Some devices 20:43 like literally will go in between the hair to make sure it's touching the scalp. 20:47 Others like ours, it has like a little plastic sheet inside. 20:51 And we know this and we know like the outfit that is needed for the device. 20:56 So for us it doesn't matter. 20:57 We see a huge effect and with the people using it. 20:59 So it's kind of hard to say which which you should use. 21:04 And like panels for example. 21:05 Typically they're the whole body or therefore the face 21:08 when they're using light. Right. 21:09 And they can blend maybe from their infrared at the eight ton range as well. 21:13 But for this one we're recommending. 21:15 Yeah, if you can, if you want to reach the brain, 21:18 better to have it closer to the scalp if possible. 21:21 And then it's more targeted more effective for sure. 21:24 Yeah. 21:25 So you could use the helmet 21:26 and then maybe use red light like if you're back or something. 21:30 You needed to use it on your back that day. 21:32 So. Right I just want to yeah. 21:35 Yeah. No. 21:36 And you're saying it's fine. 21:37 Like no matter how thick people's hairs are. 21:40 What about you know, so many people have hair extensions. 21:42 That's fine. Anyone can use it. 21:45 Yeah, pretty much anyone can use it. 21:46 I think you may just need to have it, like a bit longer time. 21:50 Because for sure, a lot of the light does get lost in the hair 21:54 and through this whole process. 21:55 But enough reaches the brain to allow it to do its magic. 21:59 And that's like the important part, because people say, oh, well, 22:01 it doesn't get through because of the hair there, right? 22:04 A lot of it doesn't. 22:05 But there is enough that does get through to have the effect that's needed. 22:09 Right. 22:09 And you guys have the studies and that's what is so great. 22:13 And I love when companies put their money and their capital into studies. 22:19 I think that is really great because a lot of the times 22:23 it's not out there and we know it works. 22:25 You know, we have old studies, but the newer ones are really helpful. 22:29 So I think that that is great. 22:30 You guys are doing research. 22:32 We're getting there. 22:33 And I think we've been fortunate enough that we've had clinics, 22:36 universities, researchers come to us and either with funding 22:40 or be able to afford the device and then start doing trials. 22:44 So we've been very fortunate that we haven't had to fund all of this, 22:47 and we've been able to do it in collaboration or donate devices. 22:50 But we are funding our own study that's been going on 22:53 and closed for recruitment now, 22:54 and that's with people with mild cognitive impairment and Alzheimer's. 22:59 And we're testing two different wavelengths in the study as well. 23:01 And I think there's 20 people enrolled in each group. 23:05 So we're excited to to share the results. 23:07 That was going to be later in the year. 23:09 And we have another six studies ongoing that we're hoping 23:12 some will be published in Q3, some Q4, and then others in 2026. 23:17 So there's a lot in the pipeline, but we're hoping to do 23:20 a lot more in the big aim really is to reinvest all this. 23:23 Everything that we do 23:24 and 100% profits go back into research and development, product development, 23:29 and we want to get it FDA registered and cleared for Alzheimer's, 23:34 because we believe if we can get it cleared for Alzheimer's 23:37 and it's part of the insurance plan, a lot more people have access to this. 23:41 And that's ultimately what we want to do. 23:43 It's just going to cost millions to fund the study large enough, to get this done. 23:47 But that's the ultimate goal. 23:49 How could you imagine having, like, one of these helmets in a nursing home 23:54 and just keeping those residents, like, alive and, 23:59 you know, or or if people just had it at its at their home 24:02 and they could stay in their home and, and I'm guessing 24:05 like one helmet could be used by multiple people, right. 24:08 Yeah. For sure. 24:10 And that's like you said in these homes. 24:12 Like it would be so good. 24:13 And people can pass it around 24:15 and it's not even increasing like how long they live. 24:18 It's actually just increasing the quality 24:20 of how they live, which sometimes is more important, because 24:24 maybe you're getting to a stage in life where you know, your body's working fine, 24:27 but your brain isn't, and there's a debate which would you prefer, right? 24:31 If you were asked, would you prefer for your body to not be able to work, 24:35 but your brain to be in like full capacity when you're 90 years old? 24:38 Or do you prefer it the other way around? 24:40 Right? Right. 24:41 Can you share some success stories that you have heard, 24:45 you know, in different clinics 24:46 and the different studies you guys have been doing so far? 24:50 Yeah, for sure. 24:51 Last week we were at the Tennessee 24:54 Mountain Bike in Red bull tournament and someone had a concussion there. 24:59 Use the neuro catch device, go to scan, use that device.
Hair Growth, Safety, and Usage Timing 25:03 And then they got another scan and noticeable improvement straight away. 25:06 We're waiting to get the data this week, but excited to share that as well. 25:10 Just the and one study that happened over the weekend. 25:13 We're in Tennessee. 25:15 Oh, that's a great question. 25:16 I don't know the exact location. I wasn't at it. 25:19 The okay, okay. No that's fine. 25:20 I think I can find out. 25:22 And what was the scan. 25:24 Can you explain the pre and post so people know why been so cool. 25:29 So it's event related potentials. 25:32 So what it does is it assesses your cognitive process speed. 25:36 So your I think P300 your N400 and your N300. 25:40 And typically it's doing like audio test to see when you react to a certain noise. 25:46 And there's different diodes on your head. 25:48 That's how it measures it through the brain links. 25:50 And what they can usually see after a concussion is obviously a slow baseline. 25:54 Then then comparing it to a normative database 25:58 and then after any stimulation, they're able to say, hey, 26:01 you know, your reaction time just went from point XY to point 26:06 Z, and now you can see that increase drastically improve. 26:09 And that shouldn't be possible 26:11 just if you did it before and after even a half an hour after. 26:14 So, you know, then that stimulation device is working. 26:17 So we did do another study and that's when we were in Las Vegas, 26:21 an the event we had a football player, he used it and that was a 14% increase. 26:26 He had nothing preexisting or wrong with him. 26:28 It was just for like optimal performance. 26:30 And it was a 14% increase in cognitive processing speed using the same device. 26:35 Other testimonials I spoke with a lady 26:38 who had written a testimonial on Trustpilot months ago, 26:41 and it was about her 89 year old dad 26:44 who essentially went through a surgery. 26:47 And before this, he was outside in the hospital on his laptop, doing his bills. 26:52 Everything that you do went into the surgery, came out okay, 24 hours. 26:58 You're expecting drugs to wear off like things are normal. 27:01 But now things weren't. 27:03 And Cristina, I saw you interviewed Cristina only a month ago 27:08 to hear, like, the full story because I was moved by the Trustpilot one 27:11 that read out to to my friends. 27:13 I said I'd love to talk to Cristina, and she said she was more than happy to. 27:18 So she explained this, this whole story, and she thought something was wrong. 27:22 So her dad completely fine before the surgery. 27:26 Then like 24 hours, 48 hours, 72 27:29 and it's going on and it's like there's no more drugs, nothing's wearing off. 27:32 It's like he's just gone. 27:34 That was her words. Like, not there. 27:36 He she was trying to do everything like 27:39 I mean she was go into everything like functional medicine. 27:43 She was making him on the best diet. 27:45 He was eating the purest food, grass 27:46 fed everything, taking the vitamins and supplements, you name it. 27:51 No mold exposure, literally every type of thing. 27:55 And she was doing that for 27:56 I can't remember the timeline, but over six months. 27:58 So and nothing still. 28:01 And then she kept research and research and found our device 28:05 and she started using it within the first month. 28:08 Notice the results. 28:09 She was able to communicate with them better 28:12 the second month even more so the third month. 28:16 She was using the device by himself, 28:18 joking with her husband in Spanish, 28:22 making jokes and basically just being himself again. 28:25 Previously, the doctors have written them off 28:27 to just like Agent in Alzheimer's because he's 89 years old. 28:32 He turned 90 and he was able to like, celebrate it with her again. 28:35 And the heartbreaking part 28:36 was actually during this time Cristina had married her husband 28:40 and the her dad couldn't really remember walking her down the aisle. 28:44 And now to this day, like, he's able to remember a lot more. 28:48 And she said the only thing that was changed 28:51 and I asked several times because it's even harder for me to believe, 28:55 even though I know it works, was the device that we we gave. 28:58 So for this kind of story, it's the stage where, you know, 29:02 she was going up to her dad and saying, hey, you know, did you enjoy that food? 29:06 And she'd just taken away the bowl of food like the plate 29:10 and him not being able to remember what even was there. 29:12 And now he even paid to like, 29:15 conversation, joking again, being fully present. 29:18 I think those stories and the ones that are like the most moving 29:21 because in her words, like her dad came back, 29:24 when I think like those things, it's like then you realize the power of. 29:29 Of what? 29:29 Like photo bio modulation can do. 29:31 And I think it's the varies per person. 29:34 Not everyone's going to have the same success story. 29:35 I think we need to be realistic if you're well enabled, 29:39 or maybe it's just not working the same for you because you have an underlying, 29:43 I don't know, mold exposure or you're 29:46 just not sensitive to light and it doesn't seem to do it. 29:49 That may be the case. 29:50 We have a lot more success stories and we do. 29:52 People saying, hey, this isn't for me, but these are the real promising ones. 29:56 Oh, that's beautiful. And it's an aid to. 29:59 And I like how you said that. 30:01 Not everyone's going to have like a quick, quick turnaround 30:05 like that success story, but it's still helping at a cellular level 30:09 with the mitochondria and with the ATP. We know that. 30:12 And with regards to surgery and general anesthesia, 30:16 I mean, if my patients go under surgery, I have a big protocol list 30:19 to help protect, you know, their brain, their mitochondria, 30:24 because it can cause neuroinflammation. 30:27 I mean, a lot of the times when people go on propofol
Research, Clinical Results, and Future Studies 30:31 versus said all of that, I mean, versus said, 30:34 I remember when I was in the emergency room working a lot before 30:38 I did my integrative medicine fellowship. 30:40 I loved versus said to put in chest tubes 30:43 in patients because they would have amnesia. 30:46 They wouldn't remember anything before. 30:48 And I'm like, oh my gosh. 30:49 Like that's actually terrifying. 30:51 Like that's not good. 30:53 What was that doing to their brain? Right. 30:56 But we don't. 30:57 But conventional medicine doesn't always think about that. 30:59 You need the surgery. 31:00 They do the surgery. They want to put you to sleep. 31:03 And then the aftermath. 31:04 They don't have to deal with it as surgeons. 31:06 So we really have to protect ourselves. 31:09 And I love that this is another safe tool that you can use. 31:14 Oh my gosh, wouldn't it be amazing if they had people post-op, like, roll out 31:19 with one of your helmets on and be part of like a hospital protocol 31:24 when we we want to move that way, we have we we're going to set up a study 31:28 in Australia with Lisa Loxo on post delirium. 31:31 So people 31:32 that went on the surgery and I'm waking up for sure that was going to be a study. 31:35 So I don't know where it's up. 31:37 And to tell you the truth, I think it's still pending. 31:39 It's usually quite a long time to go through the the review boards, 31:43 but I know that was a plan that was there last year. 31:45 And so hopefully we can get that kind of full and improved. 31:48 And I think what you said is all the kind of the whole shift 31:52 from surgery, surgery and why it's even needed 31:55 in the first place to like integrative medicine, maybe like 31:58 even the way the industry is going with like, preventative medicine. 32:02 So why do we wait to have the surgery when things that I got the worst 32:05 possible time, 32:07 then try to make lifestyle adjustments and and not lead to that point, 32:10 or at least less substantial now and your body's broken down. 32:14 Well, it comes back to how medicine is structured right now. 32:19 You have a stomach pain. 32:20 You go to GI, you're bone hurt. 32:22 You know your knee hurts, you go to ortho. 32:24 Well, if you're going to an orthopedic surgeon, 32:27 what do we think is going to recommend surgery. 32:30 Yeah. 32:31 So I mean it's it's kind of it's kind of crazy, 32:35 but that could be a whole nother podcast. 32:37 I could just tell so many stories. 32:39 But the thing is, we need to be an advocate for our health. 32:43 And this I think this device and photo 32:46 bio modulation in general, it has enough research. 32:50 You know, I lectured about photo bio modulation at a pain conference 32:54 at a conventional hospital around a bunch of conventional doctors. 32:58 You know, you had the plant seeds and they have to know there's alternatives 33:02 that do have research behind them. 33:04 And, you know, I love that. 33:06 That is really just something that you guys are focusing on. 33:10 And you're seeing amazing things. 33:12 And also, I know you said 33:13 Brooke manages this mostly one of your colleagues in the company, 33:17 but you're also working with pans, pandas, kids, 33:21 autism, ADHD and kids. 33:25 Yeah, yeah, we actually have a clinic clinician, sorry, Roger 33:29 Lee, based in Hong Kong, and we've visited his clinic as well. 33:33 And you can see how he walks through, basically, the clients, the kids, 33:37 when they come in, uses the device and then does neurofeedback as well. 33:41 And he's having incredible results. 33:44 So he we have a case study on the website, on the professionals page 33:48 that you can walk through. 33:49 And we've also had him present 33:50 in the clinician rooms that we run on a monthly basis. 33:54 But typically, you know, he's he sees quite a lot of kids. 33:56 His own son has autism. 33:58 Hence why he opened this clinic. 34:00 And now is is giving back and helping a lot of these kids. 34:03 So typically using our devices getting more each month. 34:07 So it's really exciting to see. 34:08 And this is all yeah. Kids with autism. Yeah. 34:11 Yeah it's amazing. 34:12 And it's it's brain inflammation. It's neuroinflammation. 34:14 And and it's becoming more common with more pesticides more environmental toxins. 34:19 Yeah. 34:20 Yeah. 34:21 The rates of all these conditions are just going up and up. 34:23 It doesn't seem to be coming down which is the scary part. 34:26 So it needs some fundamental shift I think, to to bring it all back 34:31 right now. 34:32 Healthy people can use it to healthy people can use red 34:35 light therapy, photo, bio modulation, the helmet like that also. 34:39 And it's going to be more protective. 34:41 So don't think that you don't you can't use this. 34:46 You know if you're healthy too. 34:48 Yeah for sure I mean I use it every day. 34:50 It's hard to say what benefit it has. 34:53 Like on the day to day. 34:54 I feel like good, energetic, focused. 34:56 But on days I don't use it, I feel that as well. 35:00 So it's very hard to kind of put it from like placebo to, to what is really doing. 35:06 But in the long term, based on the research, I know it's working. 35:09 And my biggest story, how it worked for me was 35:13 like two years ago, I had, you know, when you wake up 35:16 and you just have brain fog, 35:17 you can't think, you can't focus, you can't do anything. 35:20 I was like, okay, I'll put on the device and I put it on. 35:24 And after five minutes I was like, gosh. 35:26 I turned to my partner. 35:27 I was like, it's literally gone. 35:29 I couldn't believe it. 35:30 It completely lifted the whole like brain fog that I experience. 35:34 I never really experienced that before, but then I understood what Long-Covid was, 35:37 and I understood how this device, works on other people. 35:42 And over the weekend, the same, event actually, that one of the 35:45 team members where he said he had a headache, 35:47 you put on the device after five minutes, it was gone. 35:50 So it's really crazy listening to this and and. 35:53 Yeah, no underlying conditions. 35:55 It can work in healthy people, too, whether it's optimal performance 35:58 or it's extra energy throughout the day or a slight headache.
Patient Stories, Access, and Closing Remarks 36:02 Brain fog seems to be doing wonders. 36:04 Oh that's amazing. 36:05 I love those stories. 36:07 And and how cool. 36:08 Like, I don't know, I just love things like this. 36:12 I love red light therapy. 36:14 I love anything with the brain because I feel like the brain is neglected 36:18 sometimes when we deal with neurological diseases, 36:21 a lot of the times the neurologists just throw medications at it, 36:24 and I never see benefit in that in my integrative patients. 36:27 So I'm so excited that there is something that everyone could use 36:31 and easy to use and no side effects. 36:34 So thank you so much for being here 36:38 and educating us all on this awesome new technology. 36:41 And you're great company. 36:43 Can you please tell everyone 36:44 a little bit more about where to find your company's website? 36:48 The research, social media, all of the good things. 36:53 Yeah. 36:53 So Neuralink Dot online would be our website. 36:56 You can go there. 36:57 You can find everything from my research, understanding the science, the products. 37:01 You can contact us on that support page or in the chat box. 37:04 And we're also on LinkedIn, Instagram, Facebook, 37:08 Twitter or X, however you want to call it. 37:10 And that's just in the ironic. 37:11 So if anyone has any questions you can you can reach us. 37:14 So great. 37:15 Thank you so much for being here and safe travels and we appreciate your time. 37:21 Thank you. 37:21 Appreciate it. 37:22 Wow, that was such a great episode. 37:25 I would love if you would leave a review or share 37:28 this episode with your friends and family, so we can get the word out 37:33 about all the exciting medicine and new technology. 37:38 Thank you so much for listening. 37:39 Thank you for tuning in to Doctor Talks. 37:41 We hope today's episode has enlightened 37:43 and inspired you on your path to optimal health. 37:46 Each day is a new opportunity to make choices that empower your wellbeing. 37:51 For more insights and strategies, subscribe to our podcast 37:54 and visit our website w w w dot Doctor talks.com. 38:00 Stay connected, stay healthy and join us next time on Doctor Talks. 38:05 Real talks from real doctors on the issues that matter to you most.
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