Dr. Donese Worden in Conversation with Barbara Annis’ Gender Intelligence Group
Watch Dr. Donese Worden in conversation with Barbara Annis’ Gender Intelligence Group for International Woman’s Day.
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Introduction 0:00
welcome to international women's day welcome to international women's day i'm delighted to have you join as a i'm delighted to have you join as a i'm delighted to have you join as a subject matter expert on gender subject matter expert on gender subject matter expert on gender intelligence in medicine intelligence in medicine intelligence in medicine um what we wanted to talk about here is um what we wanted to talk about here is um what we wanted to talk about here is something that is rarely talked about something that is rarely talked about something that is rarely talked about and that is that when we talk about and that is that when we talk about and that is that when we talk about gender intelligence in the workplace gender intelligence in the workplace gender intelligence in the workplace we talk about it from the perspective of we talk about it from the perspective of we talk about it from the perspective of leadership leadership leadership of decision making of problem solving of decision making of problem solving of decision making of problem solving you know of aligning teams and so on um you know of aligning teams and so on um you know of aligning teams and so on um we don't talk about it around our bodies we don't talk about it around our bodies we don't talk about it around our bodies right we talk about brain differences right we talk about brain differences right we talk about brain differences quite a bit and how that quite a bit and how that quite a bit and how that is a competitive advantage and how men is a competitive advantage and how men is a competitive advantage and how men many work and when together many work and when together many work and when together but the whole person doesn't come into but the whole person doesn't come into but the whole person doesn't come into the equation the equation the equation until we're hit somehow with some kind until we're hit somehow with some kind until we're hit somehow with some kind of health issue and then we go oh of health issue and then we go oh of health issue and then we go oh wait wait wait or a burnout or something wait wait wait or a burnout or something wait wait wait or a burnout or something like that right but it's something that like that right but it's something that like that right but it's something that disrupts it for us disrupts it for us disrupts it for us as women because we're so loyal and as women because we're so loyal and as women because we're so loyal and committed and busy and committed and busy and committed and busy and have multitude of life roles etc have multitude of life roles etc have multitude of life roles etc so i really wanted to partner with you so i really wanted to partner with you so i really wanted to partner with you and really have a conversation that and really have a conversation that and really have a conversation that takes it into a larger context uh from takes it into a larger context uh from takes it into a larger context uh from uh you know the whole person so if you uh you know the whole person so if you uh you know the whole person so if you could start sharing with me could start sharing with me could start sharing with me some of the nuggets that you have some of the nuggets that you have some of the nuggets that you have that really could contribute to women on that really could contribute to women on that really could contribute to women on this amazing day this amazing day this amazing day that we're at here called international that we're at here called international that we're at here called international women's day women's day women's day that really could make a difference for that really could make a difference for that really could make a difference for women so i'll throw it over to you and women so i'll throw it over to you and women so i'll throw it over to you and then we'll continue the dialogue from then we'll continue the dialogue from then we'll continue the dialogue from there there there right well first like to say that
Are we moving in the right direction 1:39
right well first like to say that right well first like to say that i think we're starting to move in the i think we're starting to move in the i think we're starting to move in the right direction albeit slowly right direction albeit slowly right direction albeit slowly in medicine to start actually doing in medicine to start actually doing in medicine to start actually doing clinical trials clinical trials clinical trials to look at women so we can differentiate to look at women so we can differentiate to look at women so we can differentiate the best medicines the best medicines the best medicines the best treatments and the best the best treatments and the best the best treatments and the best diagnostics diagnostics diagnostics we've been in this black hole of we've been in this black hole of we've been in this black hole of everything was done around men everything was done around men everything was done around men to be able to do the mouse studies and to be able to do the mouse studies and to be able to do the mouse studies and human studies human studies human studies using men there's a couple of using men there's a couple of using men there's a couple of differences reasons for that i should differences reasons for that i should differences reasons for that i should say it's because women say it's because women say it's because women have hormonal fluctuations it's kind of have hormonal fluctuations it's kind of have hormonal fluctuations it's kind of hard to study that and knowing how that hard to study that and knowing how that hard to study that and knowing how that plays into it and also women plays into it and also women plays into it and also women uh being possibly becoming pregnant uh being possibly becoming pregnant uh being possibly becoming pregnant during a clinical trial so i don't think during a clinical trial so i don't think during a clinical trial so i don't think it was a it was a it was a it was an intentional let's leave women it was an intentional let's leave women it was an intentional let's leave women out but now we know with ai out but now we know with ai out but now we know with ai and different ways of looking at data we and different ways of looking at data we and different ways of looking at data we can can can take the information and study men and take the information and study men and take the information and study men and women women women together because as a clinician i've together because as a clinician i've together because as a clinician i've known for many years known for many years known for many years looking at a lab value and let's say looking at a lab value and let's say looking at a lab value and let's say it's from it's from it's from four until let's say four to thirty that four until let's say four to thirty that four until let's say four to thirty that those were primarily done those values those were primarily done those values those were primarily done those values were established on 150 pound were established on 150 pound were established on 150 pound male college age student what does that male college age student what does that male college age student what does that have to do with a perimenopausal woman have to do with a perimenopausal woman have to do with a perimenopausal woman or a woman in her cycling days so we've or a woman in her cycling days so we've or a woman in her cycling days so we've always known and been able to always known and been able to always known and been able to extrapolate as physicians we don't know extrapolate as physicians we don't know extrapolate as physicians we don't know that that that women necessarily fit in those women necessarily fit in those women necessarily fit in those parameters parameters parameters some blood markers do but many don't some blood markers do but many don't some blood markers do but many don't so it's exciting to me that we are so it's exciting to me that we are so it's exciting to me that we are moving in the right direction moving in the right direction moving in the right direction and i will say though just and i will say though just and i will say though just in general it's still missed women's in general it's still missed women's in general it's still missed women's heart attacks are missed in ers to this heart attacks are missed in ers to this heart attacks are missed in ers to this day day day now the er docs are aware that women now the er docs are aware that women now the er docs are aware that women present differently present differently present differently but it's still kind of stuck in the old but it's still kind of stuck in the old but it's still kind of stuck in the old school and if we think about the older school and if we think about the older school and if we think about the older doctors are stuck in their doctors are stuck in their doctors are stuck in their their box how they look at somebody when their box how they look at somebody when their box how they look at somebody when they come in they come in they come in and then the new doctors learned out of and then the new doctors learned out of and then the new doctors learned out of the their textbook the their textbook the their textbook by the day they were published they were by the day they were published they were by the day they were published they were already out of date already out of date already out of date and these busy doctors don't have time and these busy doctors don't have time and these busy doctors don't have time to keep up with the new science to keep up with the new science to keep up with the new science and the new research they just don't and the new research they just don't and the new research they just don't they're exhausted they're overworked they're exhausted they're overworked they're exhausted they're overworked and we're missing a lot and there's and we're missing a lot and there's and we're missing a lot and there's different areas that i'd love to talk different areas that i'd love to talk different areas that i'd love to talk about about about that that we see that are very different that that we see that are very different that that we see that are very different in men and women in men and women in men and women but missing things like heart attacks um but missing things like heart attacks um but missing things like heart attacks um is something that's inexcusable at this is something that's inexcusable at this is something that's inexcusable at this point it's it's absolutely crazy right
The importance of selfawareness 4:04
point it's it's absolutely crazy right point it's it's absolutely crazy right and and and as as you know i run these deep dives on as as you know i run these deep dives on as as you know i run these deep dives on gender intelligence gender intelligence gender intelligence you know in my place in sedona and i had you know in my place in sedona and i had you know in my place in sedona and i had a um a um a um a famous documentary filmmaker dr a famous documentary filmmaker dr a famous documentary filmmaker dr uh leslie chokar and she learned about uh leslie chokar and she learned about uh leslie chokar and she learned about the heart differences the heart differences the heart differences and she actually went back home and her and she actually went back home and her and she actually went back home and her mother about a year after mother about a year after mother about a year after um had some symptoms and she said mom i um had some symptoms and she said mom i um had some symptoms and she said mom i think you're having a heart attack and think you're having a heart attack and think you're having a heart attack and she said no no the doctor's saying i she said no no the doctor's saying i she said no no the doctor's saying i have the flu have the flu have the flu right i should just go home and drink right i should just go home and drink right i should just go home and drink water and rest water and rest water and rest right and she said no mom i think you're right and she said no mom i think you're right and she said no mom i think you're having a heart attack having a heart attack having a heart attack and if if she didn't notice that she and if if she didn't notice that she and if if she didn't notice that she didn't know that didn't know that didn't know that likely her mother would have died so likely her mother would have died so likely her mother would have died so they went to emergency they went to emergency they went to emergency and she asked the doctors do you know and she asked the doctors do you know and she asked the doctors do you know anything about gender differences anything about gender differences anything about gender differences between men and women between men and women between men and women and they went no there are none and she and they went no there are none and she and they went no there are none and she went i won't leave went i won't leave went i won't leave until you find me a doctor that knows until you find me a doctor that knows until you find me a doctor that knows about this about this about this and they couldn't find anybody so she and they couldn't find anybody so she and they couldn't find anybody so she went to another hospital went to another hospital went to another hospital where they found a doctor that did and where they found a doctor that did and where they found a doctor that did and it saved her life right like that is it saved her life right like that is it saved her life right like that is crazy right how many people have crazy right how many people have crazy right how many people have advocates that like that advocates that like that advocates that like that we as women educated women need to be a we as women educated women need to be a we as women educated women need to be a voice but we also need to be self-aware voice but we also need to be self-aware voice but we also need to be self-aware just because you don't have just because you don't have just because you don't have an elephant sitting on your chest an elephant sitting on your chest an elephant sitting on your chest radiating down your left arm radiating down your left arm radiating down your left arm your symptoms could it feels like it your symptoms could it feels like it your symptoms could it feels like it could be gastric you could just feel could be gastric you could just feel could be gastric you could just feel like you have an upset stomach and to like you have an upset stomach and to like you have an upset stomach and to not be afraid to tell your physicians not be afraid to tell your physicians not be afraid to tell your physicians something is wrong you need to keep something is wrong you need to keep something is wrong you need to keep looking at me looking at me looking at me and keep doing tests and don't just test and keep doing tests and don't just test and keep doing tests and don't just test me or look at me as like a male me or look at me as like a male me or look at me as like a male right and we just have to be strong right and we just have to be strong right and we just have to be strong and you know the other thing that just
Gender intelligence in medicine 5:42
and you know the other thing that just and you know the other thing that just really floors me now that i've gotten really floors me now that i've gotten really floors me now that i've gotten into the research around gender into the research around gender into the research around gender intelligence in medicine intelligence in medicine intelligence in medicine is things like autoimmune disease you is things like autoimmune disease you is things like autoimmune disease you know that over 70 percent of women know that over 70 percent of women know that over 70 percent of women have that do you want to share some of have that do you want to share some of have that do you want to share some of these statistics these statistics these statistics including that one that we really need including that one that we really need including that one that we really need to be aware of so that we can take care to be aware of so that we can take care to be aware of so that we can take care of our of our of our better sure and you know i will say that better sure and you know i will say that better sure and you know i will say that we know that women we know that women we know that women have much higher rates of insomnia have much higher rates of insomnia have much higher rates of insomnia there's differences in that maybe i there's differences in that maybe i there's differences in that maybe i won't get into the particulars of why won't get into the particulars of why won't get into the particulars of why we think this is happening some things we think this is happening some things we think this is happening some things we do understand in medicine some things we do understand in medicine some things we do understand in medicine some things we don't we don't we don't but we also know that an exciting area but we also know that an exciting area but we also know that an exciting area of research is the micro of research is the micro of research is the micro gender rome so everybody's at this point gender rome so everybody's at this point gender rome so everybody's at this point heard a microbiome heard a microbiome heard a microbiome that's you know to do with your gut that's you know to do with your gut that's you know to do with your gut health that affects your immune system health that affects your immune system health that affects your immune system your brain your brain your brain but the micro gender ohm is looking at but the micro gender ohm is looking at but the micro gender ohm is looking at the the the the sexual dimorphism in that gut the sexual dimorphism in that gut the sexual dimorphism in that gut in those relationships those in those relationships those in those relationships those bi-directional racial relationships bi-directional racial relationships bi-directional racial relationships that are affected by your microbiome by that are affected by your microbiome by that are affected by your microbiome by the sex hormones the sex hormones the sex hormones and the immune systems and what does and the immune systems and what does and the immune systems and what does that mean why do we care that mean why do we care that mean why do we care it has to do with is highly relevant to it has to do with is highly relevant to it has to do with is highly relevant to disease susceptibilities disease susceptibilities disease susceptibilities which diseases diabetes cancer which diseases diabetes cancer which diseases diabetes cancer the autoimmune that you're talking about the autoimmune that you're talking about the autoimmune that you're talking about arthritis which is arthritis which is arthritis which is possibly some of those are autoimmune possibly some of those are autoimmune possibly some of those are autoimmune but but but some of the things that we we tend to as some of the things that we we tend to as some of the things that we we tend to as humans humans humans suffer from the most it affects our suffer from the most it affects our suffer from the most it affects our sleep it it affects sleep it it affects sleep it it affects every biological uh system in our body every biological uh system in our body every biological uh system in our body is affected is affected is affected by hormones so i'm excited that by hormones so i'm excited that by hormones so i'm excited that now we're even saying hey listen your now we're even saying hey listen your now we're even saying hey listen your microbiomes are different because you're microbiomes are different because you're microbiomes are different because you're male and female male and female male and female it's not just the brain differences it's not just the brain differences it's not just the brain differences which barbara you've done a great job which barbara you've done a great job which barbara you've done a great job of educating from embryologically how of educating from embryologically how of educating from embryologically how those brains are different those brains are different those brains are different from day one and how that affects us from day one and how that affects us from day one and how that affects us in many ways but now we're looking at in many ways but now we're looking at in many ways but now we're looking at even the microbiome of saying even the microbiome of saying even the microbiome of saying male and female they're very different male and female they're very different male and female they're very different osteoporosis um again 80 osteoporosis um again 80 osteoporosis um again 80 of the estimated 10 million americans of the estimated 10 million americans of the estimated 10 million americans who have who have who have osteoporosis or female yeah email osteoporosis or female yeah email osteoporosis or female yeah email right migraines alzheimer's uh we're right migraines alzheimer's uh we're right migraines alzheimer's uh we're more more more susceptible to that urinary tract issues susceptible to that urinary tract issues susceptible to that urinary tract issues um ms multiple sclerosis um ms multiple sclerosis um ms multiple sclerosis so there are diseases that we know in so there are diseases that we know in so there are diseases that we know in medicine that medicine that medicine that okay women get this more often than men okay women get this more often than men okay women get this more often than men and it's always been well and it's always been well and it's always been well we're not sure why and as we're starting we're not sure why and as we're starting we're not sure why and as we're starting to do uh to do uh to do uh looking more at pharmacogenetics how looking more at pharmacogenetics how looking more at pharmacogenetics how drugs affect us drugs affect us drugs affect us how we diagnose it's it's uh we know we how we diagnose it's it's uh we know we how we diagnose it's it's uh we know we have to go there now have to go there now have to go there now and fortunately we've got more women in and fortunately we've got more women in and fortunately we've got more women in medicine that are vocalizing this medicine that are vocalizing this medicine that are vocalizing this more researchers that are women that are more researchers that are women that are more researchers that are women that are saying saying saying we can't continue just to look at we can't continue just to look at we can't continue just to look at males when we study diseases we are very males when we study diseases we are very males when we study diseases we are very different different different yes and you know it's so important
Diversity and inclusion 8:36
yes and you know it's so important yes and you know it's so important because in this world of diversity because in this world of diversity because in this world of diversity inclusion inclusion inclusion there's a new form of denial that's there's a new form of denial that's there's a new form of denial that's happening out there you know where we're happening out there you know where we're happening out there you know where we're saying well what about lgbtq saying well what about lgbtq saying well what about lgbtq what about this and binary etc what about this and binary etc what about this and binary etc and and i find that i call it the and and i find that i call it the and and i find that i call it the enlightened denial that's actually enlightened denial that's actually enlightened denial that's actually happening out there happening out there happening out there and it's happening in younger and it's happening in younger and it's happening in younger generations today generations today generations today so it's super important for us to really so it's super important for us to really so it's super important for us to really be be be much more open to this science much more open to this science much more open to this science you know what i mean and not shut it you know what i mean and not shut it you know what i mean and not shut it down you know because of down you know because of down you know because of you know some other very important you know some other very important you know some other very important topics right but to be inclusive topics right but to be inclusive topics right but to be inclusive and really think about it because you and really think about it because you and really think about it because you don't know and i don't know don't know and i don't know don't know and i don't know how many women and girls out there are how many women and girls out there are how many women and girls out there are either ill or dying because we don't either ill or dying because we don't either ill or dying because we don't know the differences know the differences know the differences in medicine we don't know the gender in medicine we don't know the gender in medicine we don't know the gender differences of men and women and boys differences of men and women and boys differences of men and women and boys and girls and girls and girls in health right you know i think we in health right you know i think we in health right you know i think we we've gotten we've gotten we've gotten we've got the same groups are promoting we've got the same groups are promoting we've got the same groups are promoting and supporting rightly so diversity and supporting rightly so diversity and supporting rightly so diversity and inclusion there are actually if you and inclusion there are actually if you and inclusion there are actually if you look at them a certain way they could be look at them a certain way they could be look at them a certain way they could be an oxymoron an oxymoron an oxymoron it's it's it's we should embrace the it's it's it's we should embrace the it's it's it's we should embrace the differences differences differences that we can see and barbara you're the that we can see and barbara you're the that we can see and barbara you're the one that brought a lot one that brought a lot one that brought a lot like to light in your book about 20 like to light in your book about 20 like to light in your book about 20 up to 20 of people's brains up to 20 of people's brains up to 20 of people's brains may be gender opposite right so a female may be gender opposite right so a female may be gender opposite right so a female may think more like a man and may think more like a man and may think more like a man and uh so forth you know that those brains uh so forth you know that those brains uh so forth you know that those brains are structurally set that way are structurally set that way are structurally set that way that's diversity that's fine but we've that's diversity that's fine but we've that's diversity that's fine but we've got to look at these big pools got to look at these big pools got to look at these big pools of what are most people looking like of what are most people looking like of what are most people looking like and i i say i'm we yes inclusion for all and i i say i'm we yes inclusion for all and i i say i'm we yes inclusion for all you know inclusion for all but inclusion you know inclusion for all but inclusion you know inclusion for all but inclusion to me means to me means to me means including what can we see about us and including what can we see about us and including what can we see about us and certain differences especially in the certain differences especially in the certain differences especially in the way our brain thinks the way our mind is way our brain thinks the way our mind is way our brain thinks the way our mind is even the way we listen to music which even the way we listen to music which even the way we listen to music which i'll talk about in a minute i'll talk about in a minute i'll talk about in a minute we're seeing there's differences that we we're seeing there's differences that we we're seeing there's differences that we can study why do can study why do can study why do men and women like or are attracted to men and women like or are attracted to men and women like or are attracted to different types of music different types of music different types of music beyond just this physical body of beyond just this physical body of beyond just this physical body of we're seeing differences there too to me we're seeing differences there too to me we're seeing differences there too to me it's it's it's all inclusive inclusive in like you're all inclusive inclusive in like you're all inclusive inclusive in like you're saying let's look at the data saying let's look at the data saying let's look at the data let's see what differences we can see let's see what differences we can see let's see what differences we can see that will help us that will help us that will help us physicians like myself treat physicians like myself treat physicians like myself treat appropriately appropriately appropriately i would love to hear more about the i would love to hear more about the i would love to hear more about the whole whole whole auditory system the differences between auditory system the differences between auditory system the differences between women women women men and women but let me tell you a men and women but let me tell you a men and women but let me tell you a little bit of a story that resonates so little bit of a story that resonates so little bit of a story that resonates so much much much for men especially men who are fathers for men especially men who are fathers for men especially men who are fathers of daughters of daughters of daughters so you know i've seen the research of so you know i've seen the research of so you know i've seen the research of course having done this for 30 years to course having done this for 30 years to course having done this for 30 years to see it all the time see it all the time see it all the time where daughters will say to their where daughters will say to their where daughters will say to their fathers why are you yelling at me fathers why are you yelling at me fathers why are you yelling at me right and he goes i'm not yelling at you right and he goes i'm not yelling at you right and he goes i'm not yelling at you right yes you are dad you are right and right yes you are dad you are right and right yes you are dad you are right and that's a gender difference that's a gender difference that's a gender difference in how boys and girls men and women in how boys and girls men and women in how boys and girls men and women listen so listen so listen so would you take that and then uh also would you take that and then uh also would you take that and then uh also take it into the music the gender take it into the music the gender take it into the music the gender difference in how we hear music yes difference in how we hear music yes difference in how we hear music yes you know i think that i i started you know i think that i i started you know i think that i i started knowing it and seeing it when my mother knowing it and seeing it when my mother knowing it and seeing it when my mother was was was she had a international montessori she had a international montessori she had a international montessori teacher she had a montessori school teacher she had a montessori school teacher she had a montessori school and she could take them very young one and she could take them very young one and she could take them very young one one and a half one and a half one and a half you know and we noticed and most you know and we noticed and most you know and we noticed and most personalities so to speak personalities so to speak personalities so to speak are somewhat set around three years old are somewhat set around three years old are somewhat set around three years old so we would get them before that so we would get them before that so we would get them before that three-year-old three-year-old three-year-old hard lock-in for certain things but we hard lock-in for certain things but we hard lock-in for certain things but we noticed very early the way they learned noticed very early the way they learned noticed very early the way they learned what they gravitated toward which pieces what they gravitated toward which pieces what they gravitated toward which pieces of of a montessori teaching of of a montessori teaching of of a montessori teaching pieces work better in boys than girls pieces work better in boys than girls pieces work better in boys than girls and again in montessori they get to and again in montessori they get to and again in montessori they get to choose choose choose this wasn't someone thinking let's give this wasn't someone thinking let's give this wasn't someone thinking let's give the boys the math and the girls the the boys the math and the girls the the boys the math and the girls the language language language no they're allowed to choose so i saw no they're allowed to choose so i saw no they're allowed to choose so i saw the differences then the differences then the differences then and then when i taught suzuki uh music and then when i taught suzuki uh music and then when i taught suzuki uh music it's violin and piano classical violin it's violin and piano classical violin it's violin and piano classical violin and piano and i started those kids if and piano and i started those kids if and piano and i started those kids if they were ready they were ready they were ready at two two and a half but three was kind at two two and a half but three was kind at two two and a half but three was kind of the golden age to start them of the golden age to start them of the golden age to start them and how they worked with their parents and how they worked with their parents and how they worked with their parents which is intimately involved when we which is intimately involved when we which is intimately involved when we teach suzuki music teach suzuki music teach suzuki music and how the boys and the girls uh those and how the boys and the girls uh those and how the boys and the girls uh those different different different genders learned and how they listen to genders learned and how they listen to genders learned and how they listen to the music how they played the music the music how they played the music the music how they played the music and how they interacted with their and how they interacted with their and how they interacted with their parents you know i ended up being more parents you know i ended up being more parents you know i ended up being more of a counselor of a counselor of a counselor to parents and children than just to parents and children than just to parents and children than just teaching music and i had a very large teaching music and i had a very large teaching music and i had a very large music studio so it was a very music studio so it was a very music studio so it was a very eye-opening i knew that i had to teach eye-opening i knew that i had to teach eye-opening i knew that i had to teach differently boys and girls and now as a differently boys and girls and now as a differently boys and girls and now as a physician physician physician for 20 years i know that i have to for 20 years i know that i have to for 20 years i know that i have to approach approach approach medicine differently if i have a man medicine differently if i have a man medicine differently if i have a man sitting sitting sitting in front of me a male patient i'm going in front of me a male patient i'm going in front of me a male patient i'm going to talk about to talk about to talk about one body system at a time i'm going to one body system at a time i'm going to one body system at a time i'm going to explain it i'm going to answer his explain it i'm going to answer his explain it i'm going to answer his questions in a linear way so that he questions in a linear way so that he questions in a linear way so that he understands it then i'll move on to the understands it then i'll move on to the understands it then i'll move on to the next thing next thing next thing if i have a female and again these are if i have a female and again these are if i have a female and again these are generalities but if generalities but if generalities but if in general when i have a female sitting in general when i have a female sitting in general when i have a female sitting in front of me she immediately wants to in front of me she immediately wants to in front of me she immediately wants to know and understands let's talk about know and understands let's talk about know and understands let's talk about the thyroid and the sex hormones the thyroid and the sex hormones the thyroid and the sex hormones the progesterone progesterone estrogen the progesterone progesterone estrogen the progesterone progesterone estrogen testosterone let's talk about the testosterone let's talk about the testosterone let's talk about the adrenals all at once adrenals all at once adrenals all at once because they're connected yes absolutely because they're connected yes absolutely because they're connected yes absolutely and she can keep track and she can keep track and she can keep track that way and likes to learn that way that way and likes to learn that way that way and likes to learn that way in medicine about her body and her in medicine about her body and her in medicine about her body and her physical physical physical body and emotional and mental but men body and emotional and mental but men body and emotional and mental but men don't think that way they they've got to don't think that way they they've got to don't think that way they they've got to think linear think linear think linear one thing at a time and so i have to one thing at a time and so i have to one thing at a time and so i have to treat my patients treat my patients treat my patients very differently in the way i very differently in the way i very differently in the way i communicate with them communicate with them communicate with them yes imagine if we could train doctors to
Meditation 14:13
yes imagine if we could train doctors to yes imagine if we could train doctors to do what you do do what you do do what you do do you know yeah and uh psychiatrists do you know yeah and uh psychiatrists do you know yeah and uh psychiatrists therapists i mean you can we can go on therapists i mean you can we can go on therapists i mean you can we can go on and on about this you know to really and on about this you know to really and on about this you know to really build that gender intelligence and build that gender intelligence and build that gender intelligence and everything that we do from teaching everything that we do from teaching everything that we do from teaching right to everything tell me a little bit right to everything tell me a little bit right to everything tell me a little bit about music and also meditation about music and also meditation about music and also meditation differences because we know that women differences because we know that women differences because we know that women experience stress uh much greater twice experience stress uh much greater twice experience stress uh much greater twice as much as men in the workplace and four as much as men in the workplace and four as much as men in the workplace and four times more at home times more at home times more at home so tell me a little bit about that so tell me a little bit about that so tell me a little bit about that because meditation is going to be super because meditation is going to be super because meditation is going to be super important important important for us to de-stress right that's true for us to de-stress right that's true for us to de-stress right that's true and you know you've already done a great and you know you've already done a great and you know you've already done a great job um job um job um in the corporate world in all the worlds in the corporate world in all the worlds in the corporate world in all the worlds that you've been out there teaching that you've been out there teaching that you've been out there teaching gender intelligence for a while of how gender intelligence for a while of how gender intelligence for a while of how we really do um process stress we really do um process stress we really do um process stress differently differently differently and stress affects the immune system it and stress affects the immune system it and stress affects the immune system it affects affects affects our sleep it affects all the major our sleep it affects all the major our sleep it affects all the major things that we need to do things that we need to do things that we need to do it also affects that microbiome that it also affects that microbiome that it also affects that microbiome that brain gut connection that we're talking brain gut connection that we're talking brain gut connection that we're talking about about about women tend to be they have more women tend to be they have more women tend to be they have more irritable bowel syndrome they're either irritable bowel syndrome they're either irritable bowel syndrome they're either constipated or have diarrhea men really constipated or have diarrhea men really constipated or have diarrhea men really don't have the same problems in gi that don't have the same problems in gi that don't have the same problems in gi that women do women do women do and it's not just hormonally mediated and it's not just hormonally mediated and it's not just hormonally mediated it's about that stress response and how it's about that stress response and how it's about that stress response and how we handle that we handle that we handle that those are important things when we talk those are important things when we talk those are important things when we talk about health about health about health but things like meditation i don't know but things like meditation i don't know but things like meditation i don't know that we have enough studies at the point that we have enough studies at the point that we have enough studies at the point to know that what type of meditation to know that what type of meditation to know that what type of meditation might be better for men might be better for men might be better for men or women but we do know the brain wave or women but we do know the brain wave or women but we do know the brain wave differences differences differences and we know that different if i can and we know that different if i can and we know that different if i can extrapolate different types of extrapolate different types of extrapolate different types of meditation if there's an meditation if there's an meditation if there's an active one where you breathe you hold it active one where you breathe you hold it active one where you breathe you hold it in you move it up you have their kind of in you move it up you have their kind of in you move it up you have their kind of active meditations those are good for active meditations those are good for active meditations those are good for busy mind people it works for both busy mind people it works for both busy mind people it works for both male and female but if we take that kind male and female but if we take that kind male and female but if we take that kind of meditation of meditation of meditation and and compare it to a meditation where and and compare it to a meditation where and and compare it to a meditation where someone says just quiet your mind someone says just quiet your mind someone says just quiet your mind and turn it all off i think that in the and turn it all off i think that in the and turn it all off i think that in the long run we will long run we will long run we will start seeing that men and women do um start seeing that men and women do um start seeing that men and women do um work with meditation differently that work with meditation differently that work with meditation differently that their brains are different we just don't their brains are different we just don't their brains are different we just don't have enough yet have enough yet have enough yet interesting in music is that we know interesting in music is that we know interesting in music is that we know that men really like that men really like that men really like beet they like they like rhythm better beet they like they like rhythm better beet they like they like rhythm better they associate better with that they associate better with that they associate better with that um that um there were some new ones that um that um there were some new ones that um that um there were some new ones that i was just looking up i was just looking up i was just looking up the other day and i thought it was the other day and i thought it was the other day and i thought it was interesting whether they were a musician interesting whether they were a musician interesting whether they were a musician or a non-musician or a non-musician or a non-musician how men and women process or gender how men and women process or gender how men and women process or gender differences between differences between differences between melodies and words are very different melodies and words are very different melodies and words are very different you've been teaching that we know the you've been teaching that we know the you've been teaching that we know the verbal communication with the lyrics and verbal communication with the lyrics and verbal communication with the lyrics and the music the music the music are are processed differently and the are are processed differently and the are are processed differently and the type of music type of music type of music uh women uh have a star stronger uh uh women uh have a star stronger uh uh women uh have a star stronger uh they like uh pop music men like more they like uh pop music men like more they like uh pop music men like more rock and roll these are just rock and roll these are just rock and roll these are just generalities but they've done quite a generalities but they've done quite a generalities but they've done quite a bit bit bit of studies on it in that that gender of studies on it in that that gender of studies on it in that that gender is a very strong predictor of the is a very strong predictor of the is a very strong predictor of the taste of musical styles than taste of musical styles than taste of musical styles than just you know gender related traits and just you know gender related traits and just you know gender related traits and i think it's interesting that we start i think it's interesting that we start i think it's interesting that we start realizing that from realizing that from realizing that from music to our nutrition and by the way music to our nutrition and by the way music to our nutrition and by the way there's there's there's energy distributions how we take in energy distributions how we take in energy distributions how we take in nutrition and how we utilize that that's nutrition and how we utilize that that's nutrition and how we utilize that that's all all all that's different in men and women to our that's different in men and women to our that's different in men and women to our taste in music taste in music taste in music we need to and i'm 100 on board with you we need to and i'm 100 on board with you we need to and i'm 100 on board with you barbara is that why don't we take this barbara is that why don't we take this barbara is that why don't we take this knowledge and use it for the betterment knowledge and use it for the betterment knowledge and use it for the betterment of men and women it's not to drive us of men and women it's not to drive us of men and women it's not to drive us apart it's to bring us together into apart it's to bring us together into apart it's to bring us together into wholeness and into health wholeness and into health wholeness and into health and i'm excited about this education and i'm excited about this education and i'm excited about this education that needs to happen that needs to happen that needs to happen it is inclusive and it is diversity it is inclusive and it is diversity it is inclusive and it is diversity diversity at its best diversity at its best diversity at its best diversity and gender but diversity and diversity and gender but diversity and diversity and gender but diversity and all the other things that we're all the other things that we're all the other things that we're advocates for advocates for advocates for yes and you know i've been saying for
Gender Intelligence in the Workplace 17:57
yes and you know i've been saying for yes and you know i've been saying for years it's not like we have two heads years it's not like we have two heads years it's not like we have two heads you know where we go to work and we have you know where we go to work and we have you know where we go to work and we have one head and at home we have another one one head and at home we have another one one head and at home we have another one we have one so with that we have one so with that we have one so with that you know i really and that's why i you know i really and that's why i you know i really and that's why i partnered with you is really how can we partnered with you is really how can we partnered with you is really how can we bring this intelligence around health bring this intelligence around health bring this intelligence around health mental health physical health into the mental health physical health into the mental health physical health into the workplace right workplace right workplace right because ceos are super concerned about because ceos are super concerned about because ceos are super concerned about the health of the health of the health of their employees right now they started their employees right now they started their employees right now they started more more more around the mental health and the stress around the mental health and the stress around the mental health and the stress but it's all interconnected but it's all interconnected but it's all interconnected right and even more slow for women right right and even more slow for women right right and even more slow for women right so really so really so really you know how can we develop a program you know how can we develop a program you know how can we develop a program where where where that can actually be the solution that can actually be the solution that can actually be the solution for it that can can you imagine if you for it that can can you imagine if you for it that can can you imagine if you could join the workplace and actually could join the workplace and actually could join the workplace and actually get better get healthier get better get healthier get better get healthier yes unheard of you know we're supposed yes unheard of you know we're supposed yes unheard of you know we're supposed to be to be to be to be happy and healthy we need to be to be happy and healthy we need to be to be happy and healthy we need to be living our dream which is what's your living our dream which is what's your living our dream which is what's your passion and purpose and hopefully your passion and purpose and hopefully your passion and purpose and hopefully your job job job is part of that that you actually enjoy is part of that that you actually enjoy is part of that that you actually enjoy your job you will be more productive you your job you will be more productive you your job you will be more productive you will be better will be better will be better and i i think about uh you you know and i i think about uh you you know and i i think about uh you you know talking about being the first woman talking about being the first woman talking about being the first woman in um the male dominated world and sales in um the male dominated world and sales in um the male dominated world and sales of sony was it right of sony was it right of sony was it right is that of sony yeah so you were um is that of sony yeah so you were um is that of sony yeah so you were um you know adapting and trying to adapt you know adapting and trying to adapt you know adapting and trying to adapt into that male-dominated into that male-dominated into that male-dominated world which puts stress i don't know how world which puts stress i don't know how world which puts stress i don't know how you know you quite did it you know you quite did it you know you quite did it you know and maybe you geared your brain you know and maybe you geared your brain you know and maybe you geared your brain was more linear to be able to to adapt was more linear to be able to to adapt was more linear to be able to to adapt in there faster than some in there faster than some in there faster than some some other uh female gender might have some other uh female gender might have some other uh female gender might have done done done uh on my end i was always a tomboy um uh on my end i was always a tomboy um uh on my end i was always a tomboy um always uh you know i think that i've got always uh you know i think that i've got always uh you know i think that i've got quite a few of those uh quite a few of those uh quite a few of those uh those male gender traits in me from those male gender traits in me from those male gender traits in me from just the way that i process information just the way that i process information just the way that i process information and so forth even though i can do the and so forth even though i can do the and so forth even though i can do the rabbit trail rabbit trail rabbit trail and do multitasking is that i identified and do multitasking is that i identified and do multitasking is that i identified more more more with just um the uh with just um the uh with just um the uh i would say more of the personality of i would say more of the personality of i would say more of the personality of male of strong of direct male of strong of direct male of strong of direct saying it like it is um not being as saying it like it is um not being as saying it like it is um not being as soft soft soft necessarily in my responses to things necessarily in my responses to things necessarily in my responses to things but uh you know i had to uh in college i but uh you know i had to uh in college i but uh you know i had to uh in college i didn't realize but didn't realize but didn't realize but someone had um signed me up for a someone had um signed me up for a someone had um signed me up for a pageant in the miss america system now i pageant in the miss america system now i pageant in the miss america system now i had never watched miss america didn't had never watched miss america didn't had never watched miss america didn't identify identify identify with it it just didn't i mean it's all with it it just didn't i mean it's all with it it just didn't i mean it's all great but i ended up winning the whole great but i ended up winning the whole great but i ended up winning the whole darn thing darn thing darn thing as miss louisiana and going to the miss as miss louisiana and going to the miss as miss louisiana and going to the miss america pageant now that was a foreign america pageant now that was a foreign america pageant now that was a foreign concept going into that concept going into that concept going into that somewhat from a tomboy attitude right somewhat from a tomboy attitude right somewhat from a tomboy attitude right but it was very um enlightening and it but it was very um enlightening and it but it was very um enlightening and it just just just let me know that we're all so unique and let me know that we're all so unique and let me know that we're all so unique and so different so different so different and i did the pageants because i could and i did the pageants because i could and i did the pageants because i could get scholarship money it was a great get scholarship money it was a great get scholarship money it was a great system in the day um you know it was system in the day um you know it was system in the day um you know it was based on based on based on interview and this and that and i said interview and this and that and i said interview and this and that and i said okay i'll win the talent portion that's okay i'll win the talent portion that's okay i'll win the talent portion that's what i'm after what i'm after what i'm after and i and i like the interview but it and i and i like the interview but it and i and i like the interview but it threw me into that side of it whereas threw me into that side of it whereas threw me into that side of it whereas you got thrown in you got thrown in you got thrown in into that male dominated side of it and into that male dominated side of it and into that male dominated side of it and i think it's interesting because we're i think it's interesting because we're i think it's interesting because we're both both both strong powerful intelligent women and we strong powerful intelligent women and we strong powerful intelligent women and we adapted adapted adapted but it wasn't necessarily our um but it wasn't necessarily our um but it wasn't necessarily our um maybe our best place to be for our best maybe our best place to be for our best maybe our best place to be for our best work for work for work for us being our best selves and learned a us being our best selves and learned a us being our best selves and learned a lot but i lot but i lot but i i i think my biggest message is that i i think my biggest message is that i i think my biggest message is that i really respect and always have i really respect and always have i really respect and always have intellect and knowledge intellect and knowledge intellect and knowledge i'm still a knowledge encyclopedia of a i'm still a knowledge encyclopedia of a i'm still a knowledge encyclopedia of a constant constant constant wanting to know that but that does not wanting to know that but that does not wanting to know that but that does not translate into wisdom translate into wisdom translate into wisdom barbara and so knowledge and intellect barbara and so knowledge and intellect barbara and so knowledge and intellect are one thing are one thing are one thing they're respectable we've done that in they're respectable we've done that in they're respectable we've done that in medicine we've gone to medical school medicine we've gone to medical school medicine we've gone to medical school we've got a lot of knowledge we continue we've got a lot of knowledge we continue we've got a lot of knowledge we continue to have a lot of knowledge but to have a lot of knowledge but to have a lot of knowledge but maybe we're not so wise with it and maybe we're not so wise with it and maybe we're not so wise with it and that's where that's where that's where gender intelligence can come in let's be gender intelligence can come in let's be gender intelligence can come in let's be wise with the information we have and wise with the information we have and wise with the information we have and develop it and not be afraid to see develop it and not be afraid to see develop it and not be afraid to see differences differences differences acknowledge differences and develop acknowledge differences and develop acknowledge differences and develop diagnostics diagnostics diagnostics drugs treatments the types of meditation drugs treatments the types of meditation drugs treatments the types of meditation that will serve our patients better
WorkLife Balance 22:09
that will serve our patients better that will serve our patients better yes it's absolutely right and you know i yes it's absolutely right and you know i yes it's absolutely right and you know i you know there's the common assumption you know there's the common assumption you know there's the common assumption that women that women that women leave the workforce because of work-life leave the workforce because of work-life leave the workforce because of work-life balance balance balance and we actually see that that's an and we actually see that that's an and we actually see that that's an absolute myth absolute myth absolute myth right i mean it doesn't mean that women right i mean it doesn't mean that women right i mean it doesn't mean that women aren't uh challenged by work-life aren't uh challenged by work-life aren't uh challenged by work-life balance balance balance but it just doesn't happen you know we but it just doesn't happen you know we but it just doesn't happen you know we did a piece of work with deloitte did a piece of work with deloitte did a piece of work with deloitte years ago where they had a huge turnover years ago where they had a huge turnover years ago where they had a huge turnover women they're recruiting 55 to 62 women they're recruiting 55 to 62 women they're recruiting 55 to 62 women accountants but they were losing women accountants but they were losing women accountants but they were losing them within three to five years so they them within three to five years so they them within three to five years so they had a 27 had a 27 had a 27 turnover versus 10 men costing 240 000 turnover versus 10 men costing 240 000 turnover versus 10 men costing 240 000 mil 240 million dollars a year in mil 240 million dollars a year in mil 240 million dollars a year in turnover right expensive turnover right expensive turnover right expensive endeavor anyway the assumption was that endeavor anyway the assumption was that endeavor anyway the assumption was that women left because of work-life balance women left because of work-life balance women left because of work-life balance and it wasn't the case they didn't feel and it wasn't the case they didn't feel and it wasn't the case they didn't feel valued valued valued right and that's the key so how can you right and that's the key so how can you right and that's the key so how can you feel valued so back in my days of sony feel valued so back in my days of sony feel valued so back in my days of sony i didn't feel valued i felt value for i didn't feel valued i felt value for i didn't feel valued i felt value for the results that i accomplished the results that i accomplished the results that i accomplished but i didn't feel valued for who i was but i didn't feel valued for who i was but i didn't feel valued for who i was my own authentic self my own authentic self my own authentic self because i had to force myself into being because i had to force myself into being because i had to force myself into being a man a man a man right right and you know i left years right right and you know i left years right right and you know i left years later and i thought you know what maybe later and i thought you know what maybe later and i thought you know what maybe i do have this male tendency but i i do have this male tendency but i i do have this male tendency but i actually had my brain scanned and actually had my brain scanned and actually had my brain scanned and i had a total female brain for you a fat i had a total female brain for you a fat i had a total female brain for you a fat you don't mean you right um so i really you don't mean you right um so i really you don't mean you right um so i really think that think that think that you and i you know with our expertise you and i you know with our expertise you and i you know with our expertise complementary expertise can bring complementary expertise can bring complementary expertise can bring the concept of work-life balance to the concept of work-life balance to the concept of work-life balance to work-life harmony work-life harmony work-life harmony how can we create work-life harmony in how can we create work-life harmony in how can we create work-life harmony in the workplace where we the workplace where we the workplace where we actually really bring our whole self to actually really bring our whole self to actually really bring our whole self to work and we also work and we also work and we also able to understand the gender able to understand the gender able to understand the gender intelligence how we can take care of our intelligence how we can take care of our intelligence how we can take care of our bodies and our minds bodies and our minds bodies and our minds that's really the key that's true and to that's really the key that's true and to that's really the key that's true and to be more productive if we want to talk be more productive if we want to talk be more productive if we want to talk about the bottom line and being more about the bottom line and being more about the bottom line and being more productive we have to be more healthy productive we have to be more healthy productive we have to be more healthy and our mind our emotion and our body and our mind our emotion and our body and our mind our emotion and our body that's when we are more productive so that's when we are more productive so that's when we are more productive so it's exciting to say it's exciting to say it's exciting to say we need to address it all and i'm so we need to address it all and i'm so we need to address it all and i'm so glad that corporate is coming to you and glad that corporate is coming to you and glad that corporate is coming to you and saying barbara saying barbara saying barbara we recognize this we need this now what we recognize this we need this now what we recognize this we need this now what do we do do we do do we do so bringing the science what science we so bringing the science what science we so bringing the science what science we do do do have right now into have right now into have right now into a workplace program a workplace program a workplace program to really help everyone become healthier to really help everyone become healthier to really help everyone become healthier on all those levels that we're talking on all those levels that we're talking on all those levels that we're talking about will help the bottom about will help the bottom about will help the bottom line fantastic denise thank you line fantastic denise thank you line fantastic denise thank you so much for this interview is there so much for this interview is there so much for this interview is there anything that we haven't touched on that anything that we haven't touched on that anything that we haven't touched on that you wish we should touch on for our you wish we should touch on for our you wish we should touch on for our audience audience audience you know i think that outside of you know i think that outside of you know i think that outside of diversity diversity diversity outside of some of the the things that outside of some of the the things that outside of some of the the things that we realize are a little bit different we realize are a little bit different we realize are a little bit different in our gender is that what we all have in our gender is that what we all have in our gender is that what we all have in common and is that we want to feel in common and is that we want to feel in common and is that we want to feel love and that we want to have moments of love and that we want to have moments of love and that we want to have moments of peace peace peace and that peace does come from taking and that peace does come from taking and that peace does come from taking that moment in the morning that moment in the morning that moment in the morning be it all five minutes and at night be it all five minutes and at night be it all five minutes and at night before we go to bed to just to before we go to bed to just to before we go to bed to just to check in with ourselves to say am i check in with ourselves to say am i check in with ourselves to say am i happy happy happy am i healthy what can i be doing that am i healthy what can i be doing that am i healthy what can i be doing that that would allow that would allow that would allow me to be able to have my passion and me to be able to have my passion and me to be able to have my passion and purpose come forward purpose come forward purpose come forward maybe it's at work maybe it's it's that maybe it's at work maybe it's it's that maybe it's at work maybe it's it's that work life balance maybe it's with your work life balance maybe it's with your work life balance maybe it's with your family family family but most importantly within yourself and but most importantly within yourself and but most importantly within yourself and i think i don't want us to get i think i don't want us to get i think i don't want us to get too away from um that it really comes too away from um that it really comes too away from um that it really comes down down down to how do we love ourselves how do we to how do we love ourselves how do we to how do we love ourselves how do we appreciate ourselves and appreciate ourselves and appreciate ourselves and and that's the message be it whatever and that's the message be it whatever and that's the message be it whatever gender tendencies or gender tendencies or gender tendencies or sexual preferences it doesn't matter we sexual preferences it doesn't matter we sexual preferences it doesn't matter we really need to learn to love ourselves really need to learn to love ourselves really need to learn to love ourselves thank you so much for this
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