Full Transcript Introduction and Speaker Background 0:00 Welcome to the Bioregulator and Peptide Summit folks. 0:02 Today I am joined by my good friend and super doc Doctor Scott. 0:07 Sherr. Welcome doctor share. 0:09 You're going to get to sit and listen to me deliver your bio today. 0:13 Oh I get to oh that's my favorite please by anyone by all means. 0:16 So by any means please talk about me. 0:18 So Doctor Scott Sherr is a board certified internal medicine 0:22 physician certified to practice health optimization medicine, which is home 0:26 and a specialist in hyperbaric oxygen therapy, otherwise known as Bot. 0:32 That's when we first met. You were Mr. 0:34 H. Bot. 0:35 Indeed, he is the chief medical bot. 0:37 But yes, doctor, 0:38 but he is the chief medical and health educator officer at transcriptions. 0:42 His clinical telepresence includes home as home, home 0:48 as its foundation, which will tell you guys exactly what that means in a minute. 0:51 Not that he's working out of his house, which he may sometimes, 0:54 but that's not what that's not what we mean. 0:55 True, alongside an integrative approach to bot that includes cutting edge 0:59 and dynamic bot protocols, comprehensive testing using the home 1:04 framework, targeted supplementation, personal practices, 1:07 synergistic technologies, new ancient, psychedelic, and more. 1:11 And today, what we're really going to talk about, all the ways that you need 1:15 to prepare the terrain for using your peptides. 1:18 And I think this is going to be I believe this will be 1:22 one of the most valuable sessions in in this whole summit. 1:26 Because if you guys 1:27 if you can get this down, then everything just gets so much easier. 1:31 So thank you, Doctor Scott, for taking the time and for being here today. Yes. 1:36 Well it's always good to be with you, Nat. 1:37 And this is a great platform because I know peptides are all the craze. 1:41 I've called it like the part of the arrows tour. Right. 1:44 It's like the new era, 1:45 like the hundreds of peptides that people are 1:47 getting from all over the world that are sometimes regulated, sometimes not. 1:50 I see these people, my patients now, some of them are like, 1:53 I just got all these peptides from China. 1:54 I'm like, okay. 1:55 And then like, and then I got these ten peptides from China. 1:58 I'm like, okay, are you going to use them all at the same time? 2:01 And and they're like, no, no, no, I want you to tell me what to use. 2:03 I'm like, how about you don't use any of them for a little while 2:05 until we can figure out what's going on. 2:08 Foundationally, I have a talk that I give, I've given to clinicians called peptides 2:12 need power, right? 2:13 Which is that you need to have capacity for your cells 2:17 to actually take these signals that are peptides and actually 2:21 shift biology in a very significant way to keep it there. 2:25 Right? 2:25 Otherwise you're taking a peptide, for example, and you may not get 2:29 a lot of benefit long term when you stop it. 2:32 The goal really is that if you get foundational biometrics 2:36 in order, your foundational biology support it now, 2:39 support it long term, then use peptides to help you along the way. 2:43 That's when you see start 2:44 seeing significant benefit for using these things. 2:47 And you know, as you and I were chatting before we got started, 2:50 like I think the GOP ones are a great example of this, right? 2:53 You know, because everybody's on their favorite 2:56 GLP ones and I don't have a problem with them as a category in general. 3:00 I have, 3:01 I guess I know there's nuances to that, that answer that statement, actually. 3:05 But when people are losing a ton of weight very quickly, 3:09 they don't feel very good typically. Right. 3:12 Why is that? Because you're losing a bunch of weight. 3:14 You're dumping a lot of inflammation into your system, 3:17 which is coming from your fat restored. And guess what? 3:20 If you had a lot of fat to lose, very likely you didn't have very good 3:24 metabolic function, mitochondrial function to start off with.
Why Peptides Need Foundational Support 3:28 So you get fatigue, you get brain fog, you get concentration problems. 3:32 You feel like you have more inflammation. 3:34 Now. Eventually, hopefully you'll feel better once the weights off. 3:38 But oftentimes in that process, your heart rate's up, your sleep is off, 3:43 you don't feel good. Right. 3:44 And so what are you doing 3:45 to support your mitochondria, for example, along the path of being on a GOP one. 3:49 Right. And nobody really talking about this. 3:51 It's like, hey, sign up for my program, get your GLP ones, 3:55 and you can be a one person billion dollar company right in front of this guy 3:58 that you know, you know, one. 4:00 I don't even want to hear about it. 4:01 I know it's not like one dude that came up, you know, 4:04 that basically has a whole program that, you know, like one guy company. 4:08 This is like what AI guys are so excited about. 4:10 Like, you don't need anybody to run your company anymore. 4:11 It's just you just need a bunch of agents. 4:13 Yeah, and a bunch of agents. Yeah, yeah. 4:15 Anyway, I think that's my first foray in talking about that. 4:18 I love peptides, don't get me wrong. 4:20 Those that are listening, 4:21 please listen as you hear and understand that we can do a lot with them. But 4:25 if you're not looking at that foundation and supporting it along the way, 4:30 well, there's some pitfalls. 4:31 The other thing I think that happens when you're losing a lot of fat, 4:34 well, whenever you're losing fat is one of the places 4:37 that your body sequesters toxins is in that fat tissue. Yes. 4:41 And if you're not supportive, if you're not pooping 4:44 and sweating and peeing and doing all the things, maybe 4:47 taking some binders once in a while or whatever it is that helps, 4:51 and supporting your liver so that your body can release that fat. 4:55 Because if it's trapped in the body and released from the adipose 4:59 tissue, it's looking for a new home. 5:01 Yes. And your liver itself requires a huge amount of energy to detail. 5:06 Right. 5:07 And people think that sweating is going to do the trick. 5:10 Saunas are good. 5:11 I'm a fan of a sauna as much as anybody else. 5:13 I have one in the other room, 5:15 but you don't lose most of your toxins through your sweat. 5:19 You lose very little, actually. 5:20 Yeah, you lose most of it through your kidneys. 5:23 So you're eating and your poop. 5:25 So, like you said, not if you're not pooping every day. 5:29 You're not expelling toxins, right? 5:31 Yeah, I think I think it's normal to poop every other day, you know, 5:35 but who wants to be normal, right. 5:37 Like and so optimal. 5:38 Yes. In the US, at least, our normal is pooping every other day. 5:42 Like that's still considered normal. 5:44 But I mean, optimal is not once every other day. 5:47 It's like once or twice a day most of the time. 5:49 For most people, you should wake up early in the morning and take a shit, 5:52 you know, like that's mostly what people should be doing on a regular basis. 5:56 That's not what everybody's doing anymore. 5:57 And especially 5:57 if you're losing a bunch of weight and you're more toxic, 6:00 all those toxicity and again, like, where are those toxins going? 6:03 You know, and if you're not getting them out. 6:05 And so one of the first things I work on with patients typically is to make sure 6:09 they're pooping every day. Right. 6:10 And if they're not we got to do something about that. 6:13 Yeah. No kidding. It's in nutrition school. 6:15 The saying was make sure that all the doors of nation are open 6:18 before you start working on fat loss with clients. 6:21 So and you know, and not that we were doing an episode on once. 6:25 Well, this is the last thing I think we could say about it is, 6:28 you know, the double whammy here is that one of the hallmarks 6:31 of the GLP one, particularly semaglutide, it's much lesser degree, 6:36 is that it slows gastric emptying and therefore it slows 6:39 gut motility, which means you're going to be more prone to constipation. 6:43 So you've got to double down on the hydration on the right fiber intake. 6:47 And notice I didn't say more fiber intake, because if you've been eating 6:51 two grams of fiber a day and go to 50 overnight, boy, 6:56 your baby, you know your fiber maxing and you're going to end up 7:00 with some kind of like a blockage and that never ends well. 7:04 It usually ends up 7:05 saying, we're fiber maxing. 7:08 You know, all these things. 7:09 Everybody's all maxing. 7:10 Yeah, but I heard a new one just yesterday that which I like mitochondrial 7:15 maxing okay. 7:16 So this is a good maxing. 7:17 So we're going to talk about this right. 7:19 So so basically what you're saying bottom line it comes 7:23 if the system doesn't have enough energy it's not going to be able to make the most 7:26 of whatever peptides you're using, whether it's a repair peptide, 7:29 a weight loss peptide, any peptide, it requires energy. 7:34 Now here's an interesting question for you. 7:35 So a lot of people will say perfect in this little bin of peptides 7:39 that I just got from China, I have ten vials of mozzie. 7:43 Do I just do that? Perfect. Right. 7:46 So to us know see there's all these mitochondrial peptides 7:51 now that are coming out. Right. 7:52 And they're what they're very good at is utilizing your own biology, 7:56 your own biology to try to make the mitochondria work better. 8:00 But if you don't have the machinery and the capacity, 8:03 it is not going to do what you think it's going to do. 8:06 Sometimes it might make you feel better for a short period of time, 8:09 but often that is like a bit of a a honeymoon holiday kind of thing.
Mitochondrial Function and Methylene Blue 8:14 When you feel better for a little while, but you're basically just trying to rev 8:17 an engine that's already been, you know, at, you know, at sort of red capacity. 8:22 Right? 8:22 And now you've used Mozzie or some of the other ones, and you're 8:25 not really seeing that really benefit anymore. 8:28 Like initially you're like, oh, this is really good. 8:30 And then all of a sudden like, oh, I don't feel as good anymore. 8:32 And then all of a sudden you actually feel starting feeling worse taking these. 8:35 And that's because you've just clocked a system 8:37 that's already been clocked clocking at a certain high level. 8:40 Right. 8:41 And so it doesn't take the place of looking at a foundational biomarkers 8:45 and understanding what's actually happening in the mitochondria. 8:48 And then especially kind of 8:50 it depends on where in the mitochondria you're having particular issues to 8:53 is we have this complex of proteins called the electron transport chain complex. 8:58 And we have four proteins there that are cycling 9:01 through electrons from our food, mostly fat and our carbohydrates. 9:04 And if any of those proteins are working 9:08 abnormally, you throw in something like mod 9:10 C and then you're trying to force something to work where 9:13 one of those protein complexes might not be able to to compensate or to 9:17 keep up with the stimulation that you're trying to give various areas of that. 9:21 And we're seeing this a ton in clinical practice. 9:23 You don't you know, you don't measure these complexes all the time. 9:26 Now, although there are new some good tests out there. 9:29 Yeah. To be able to do this. Right. 9:31 And so I just looked at another mitochondrial test the other day. 9:34 And it very much surprisingly to me because it's still a nascent area. 9:39 But as far as the testing. 9:40 But it very much aligned with her symptoms. 9:42 And I was like, okay, this is really interesting, right? 9:44 She had significant issues with complex one in complex two, 9:47 which are the two major complexes that are taking energy 9:51 from your food and bringing them into electron transport chain. 9:55 So what did we do with this lady? 9:56 I did it empirically without even knowing the testing was. 9:59 First of all, let's 10:00 get you on some methylene blue here and see how you feel just as a trial. 10:04 Right. 10:04 And I did this and she's like, I feel like it's night and day. 10:07 Like I feel like my energy is so much better. 10:09 I feel like my energy throughout the day. 10:12 She had pain all day. She was pain was much better. 10:15 Brain fog. I'm like, oh, this is super interesting, right? 10:17 So there's a huge lift with methylene blue very quickly. 10:21 It's almost diagnostic to me 10:23 that those first couple of complexes aren't working very well. 10:26 So what if methylene blue doesn't work? 10:28 Let me let me ask you this because that's really interesting, right? 10:32 You said there's four complexes. 10:33 If methylene blue gives the person a lift, that gives us an indication. 10:36 The first two complexes needed the help. 10:39 Right now the complexes. 10:41 But mostly the first two are the most common. 10:43 So what if methylene blue makes them feel worse? 10:45 What is that. 10:46 So this is interesting right. 10:47 So if you're taking methylene blue and you feel worse 10:50 well number one is did you get the right quality stuff. 10:53 That's a good question. Yes. 10:54 Because if you got poor quality methylene blue it could be contaminated 10:57 with heavy metals like lead, mercury, arsenic and cadmium, 11:01 all of which are not good for mitochondrial function. 11:03 Right? Right. 11:04 It could have been the dose you use too, because if you go to high of a dose too 11:09 quickly over about a milligram per kilogram ideal body weight, 11:12 which is around 50 to 70mg for most people, 11:15 you don't only just increase energy capacity, 11:19 but you also increase the production of hydrogen peroxide in the system. 11:23 Hydrogen peroxide is something you can buy at the store as an antiseptic. 11:28 Your cells use it as an antimicrobial, as an anti-cancer, 11:31 and so higher doses of methylene blue will cause stress on the system. 11:36 Making hydrogen peroxide. 11:38 That's okay if you have your own capacity to neutralize the stress, 11:43 which is having your own antioxidant capacity, many people don't. 11:46 And so that's why if you go to fast to quickly with a methylene blue dose, 11:51 you might feel like trash as a result of having too much detoxification 11:56 that's required. 11:57 And so but even low doses in some people will 12:00 cause more like a detoxification reaction. 12:03 Okay. Like often. 12:04 Yeah. 12:04 Like a hurricane kind of reaction doesn't have to be from an infection classically. 12:08 When we think of her saying we're thinking of it from an infection, 12:11 but it could just be because there's 12:12 just so much garbage in the cells that is built up and toxicity that you're 12:16 starting to use methylene blue, and it works on the energy side. 12:20 But methylene blue also works as a direct antioxidant and indirect as well. 12:25 And so it can actually almost work like an adaptogens in some ways where 12:29 like if you need more energy, it can help you there first. 12:31 But if you need more detox, it's maybe it's going to go there. 12:33 So if you take it you're getting like headaches, 12:35 you feel like a little bit nauseated, a little GI distress. 12:38 That's not necessarily a bad thing. 12:39 It just depends on how significant it is. 12:41 But usually it's like 12:43 go slow with the dosing and it's working on the garbage collection first. 12:47 But it's one of the very unique compounds, which doesn't work just on energy 12:50 or just on garbage collection. 12:52 It does both, and there's only maybe 1 or 2 other compounds on the planet 12:57 that do that. 12:57 And the only one that I really know of that's done, that's been done. 13:01 Research is a molecular hydrogen. 13:02 I was about to say molecular hydrogen. Yeah. 13:05 That's the only other one that I know of it. 13:07 Even molecular hydrogen is more on the detox side than it is on the energy side. 13:12 But it does both, you know, 13:14 because it helps with protons and going across the ground. 13:16 But it's not as much of a T.C. 13:18 it doesn't support the electron transport chain quite as directly as my blue does. 13:22 So you could combine the two, right? You could use all the time. 13:25 Yeah, yeah. 13:26 And so it's never a zero sum game, right. 13:28 Like it's never like in clinical practice. 13:30 It's not like this is the one thing like I know 13:32 you do a lot of podcasts and everybody's like, 13:34 this is the one supplement and this is the one thing. 13:35 And then, you know, like and that's that's hard, right? 13:37 Because it's yeah, it's almost one of the things. 13:40 Yeah. It's one of the things. 13:42 Could this be a big lever. 13:43 Sure. Right. 13:44 But in clinical practice, it's not like I'm telling people to take 13:47 methylene blue and we're treating it and I'm not doing anything else. 13:51 Of course. Right. And I think that's that's important too. 13:54 That's a great really nice point. 13:55 So so let's so we how we started this was you know if your first of all 14:02 let's just say that 14:03 getting your peptides online from China is probably not your best plan. 14:07 Let's let's just put that out there and just say that, 14:10 you know, getting a supply from that is vetted, 14:13 that is clean, whether it's peptides or methylene blue 14:16 or anything else or even frankly, any supplement is really important. 14:19 Anything you're putting in your body. 14:20 So that's number one. 14:22 Number two, what we're talking about here is making sure 14:26 that the body has enough energy to do the work that you're asking it 14:30 to do when you're introducing a peptide and to do it to clean up the engine. 14:34 So, you know, I think your example with Mozzie is very important in the sense 14:38 that the mitochondria, those little engines, those little rotator 14:42 engines, rotation engines in the mitochondria, 14:45 if they're gunky DUP whether it's heavy metals or too many reactive 14:49 oxygen species or whatever it is, if you force them to spin, which they will 14:53 to a point, you're running a dirty engine, it's going to do damage. 14:57 So what methylene blue can bring to the table is 15:01 support for the electron transport chain, both from the providing 15:06 the the energy like the electrons and stuff as well as on the back 15:10 end helping with the anti like deal with some of the reactive oxygen species. 15:14 So so would you say that then. 15:17 So what would you say people should think about now like that. 15:20 Yeah yeah yeah yeah. 15:22 So I always think about this in sort of like a timeline perspective. 15:26 Right. 15:26 Because you always want to think about what do you want to do now. 15:29 Like I don't want to wait six months or a year to feel better. 15:32 And my patients will say that. 15:33 And I 100% agree. 15:35 I don't want that either. Right. 15:36 We all want to feel better as fast as possible. 15:39 We want to do it in a way that's supportive so that we're not, 15:42 you know, paying the piper later 15:44 because we did something now to try to get us further along the path. 15:48 And so I find that can be sometimes the case with peptides now. 15:52 Right. 15:52 If you just start getting on too many of these on out, that's a 30, 15:56 you know, you're doing like in this. 15:57 And then I'm like, okay, but your system is not ready for any of that. 16:01 Right? 16:01 And if you start trying to clock it without support, 16:05 like you can get into trouble. 16:06 But if you start using those peptides 3 or 6 months later, 16:10 once you've already optimized at least some of the vitamins, 16:12 minerals, nutrients you've dealt with, some of the toxicity, the gut stuff 16:16 you're pooping every day, your hormones are a bit more optimized. 16:19 You may not need as many peptides. Number one for starters. 16:21 Yeah. Yes. 16:22 And you may not need as many as far as high of the dose as well. 16:25 I've seen this a lot with the growth hormone peptides for example. Right. 16:28 Like if you optimize somebody's lifestyle and you get them exercising better 16:33 and you get them more sunlight exposure, 16:35 stress management, sleep, yeah, they can still sometimes sleep, 16:39 but sometimes you don't need as much like 16:41 I've seen people do much better on lower doses. 16:43 And when I've checked their hormones before and after this kind of thing. 16:46 And so, 16:47 so from what I think about hearing that, and I know you and I talked about this
Nervous System Regulation and Energy 16:50 a lot, is that you want to give things that are going to be supportive 16:53 now, that are also going to be helpful over the long 16:56 term, but need less of those things. Right. 16:58 And so that's where methylene blue really comes in for me, 17:00 which is like it's something I can start right now while I'm working on somebody's 17:04 health over the long term to support them so that they feel better. 17:07 And then once the methylene blue is on board, 17:09 then I can get some peptides going on to some mitochondrial peptides, 17:13 some growth hormone peptides sometimes, right. 17:14 Some other things that are working on the immune system 17:16 that can be very helpful for people that are having a hard time. 17:19 Right. And so 17:21 then that's when the peptides really can come in 17:24 as a sort of a, as an additional layer of a bridge. 17:28 While you're working on the longer term plan, knowing that 17:32 most people don't stay on peptides because they get tired of injecting 17:35 themselves, they get and you shouldn't need to, right? 17:39 You shouldn't need an intervention. 17:40 I mean, the GLC being maybe a bit of an exception 17:43 depending on the individual, but I think that you're 17:46 I don't know that most people who need a GLP are going to be willing to wait 17:50 six months, but I do think that the point being, 17:54 you've got to support the system at the same time. 17:57 And I think that if you guys are listening to the right people, 18:01 you're hearing this ad nauseam, right? 18:03 You're we're talking about like eating a nutrient dense diet, 18:07 moving the body, getting rid of toxins, helping the body to clear toxins. 18:11 The methylene blue might be a magic. 18:13 Magic help here in upping the energy in the system 18:17 as you're bringing the GLP one on, think about it as that GLP 18:22 is asking your body to do and not do a lot of things, 18:24 and if the body is under-resourced from an energy perspective, you're just not. 18:28 It's not going to be able to perform. 18:29 And we see people who don't respond to GLP or they do for a little while 18:33 and then they don't. 18:34 Yeah, yeah, a big other piece of this. 18:36 And I you know, I talk about this a lot, 18:38 but it's so important is that the sympathetic nervous system. 18:41 Yes. The fight or flight nervous system that is supposed to get us running away 18:46 from the proverbial saber tiger and then shut off. 18:50 And you are supposed to be in the parasympathetic nervous system, 18:53 which is your rest, digest, detoxify and heal. 18:55 Most of us aren't living in parasympathetic anymore. 18:58 Most of us are in sympathetic most of the time. 19:00 And so if you are in that state, you may may not even know it anymore. 19:05 You might be taking you 19:06 trying these peptides and things like, why aren't these working? 19:09 If your nervous system is so clamped down and stressed, you're not going to heal. 19:14 You're not going to detox the classic scenarios like you go on vacation, 19:17 you get sick. Why? Right? 19:19 Because you finally started relaxing for a couple of days 19:22 and your body is like, oh, this is fantastic. 19:24 We're going to clear up all the garbage, right? 19:26 And you're like, no, I'm sick on vacation again, right? 19:29 And so we have things for that, you know, like at restrictions, as you know, 19:32 the things like true, which can be great, but like but in general 19:37 the sympathetic nervous system, when it's overloaded like 19:40 this is going to make more stress on the mitochondria that we talked about, 19:44 you know, a little bit with methylene blue there, 19:46 but in its own right, it's going to mess with hormones and neurotransmitters 19:49 and it's going to mess with your gut. 19:51 You're not going to be able to digest anything. 19:53 So you're starting to like try to take supplements and like you're 19:55 trying to be on a dietary regimen, but nothing's working. 20:00 You know, why? 20:00 Is it because if you're clamped down all the time in sympathetic, 20:04 you're not getting a lot of blood flow 20:06 to the areas of your body that would be there for healing. 20:08 And and then your immune system starts taking a big, big tank as well. 20:12 So I really emphasize with people that if you're 20:15 if you're thinking that more peptides are going to solve your stress 20:17 and anxiety, they're not most of the time, right. 20:21 What you're really looking to do is down 20:23 regulate your nervous system in a very intentional way. 20:27 Right. But you got to be careful here. 20:29 And this is this is a small point, small nuance that I think. 20:33 But it's a big point, which is that if you try to start going, 20:36 coming down in your nervous system tone and try to relax, 20:39 but you don't have enough energy to do it right, meaning that your energy system 20:43 is so deficient already because you've been 20:45 in this sort of high stress, low energy mode for a long time, you might crash. 20:49 You know, I've seen this, and that's when it's so important to just go 20:52 very slowly with the down regulation so your body can recalibrate itself. 20:58 And so oftentimes I find out that people just don't know 21:01 what it feels like to calm down anymore. 21:02 And so I can tell people to calm down. But that's not going to work. 21:05 I don't think it works for anybody males or females. 21:08 I mean, doesn't work with partners. Yes. 21:12 I think I told you the story once, but like my son, who's eight. 21:15 He asked. 21:16 He's like, dad, what? 21:17 What the things you don't tell girls, right? 21:18 And I thought, like, he has three older sisters, everybody by the way. 21:21 So and I'm like, well, there's a lot of things. 21:23 And they gave him a whole list but mine. 21:27 But I but I added to that list is don't tell them to calm down. 21:31 It doesn't it's not going to work. You don't tell men to calm down either. 21:34 You know that, to be clear. 21:36 But certainly telling your partner to calm down. 21:38 But but even telling people to do breathwork, right? 21:41 Like or like actually what I found in some people in that is breath 21:45 breathwork makes them worse. 21:46 Whole plunges make them worth meditation, makes them feel worse. 21:50 They're trying to do all the things, but they don't feel very good. 21:53 And then like, oh, I'll just do more, 21:55 you know, I'll do more peptides, I'll do more coal plunges. 21:57 I'm like, no, the system is screaming. 21:59 Yeah, it's screaming at you. 22:01 It's defending itself for you to stop doing as much. 22:04 Right. 22:05 And this is where a lot of 22:07 even functional practitioners miss the mark, because they don't realize 22:10 that their patients 22:11 need to calm down their nervous system more, but with energy support. 22:16 Right. 22:16 And that's you know, again, we're methylene blue can come in. 22:19 But also looking at giving them 22:21 the experience of calming down the nervous system. 22:23 And so we have a cool way of formulating at our company 22:26 which we look at the Gaba system in a very novel way, 22:29 looking at how you can 22:30 optimize the receptor by using things that bind to where Gaba, 22:33 which is our primary neurotransmitter, 22:35 calm down the brain along with a separate site, 22:37 and then using that in combination to give people the experience 22:42 of calming down the nervous system in a in a way that's going to be supported, 22:45 but not, you know, clock the system like your benzos or your, 22:50 you know, your sleep, drugs or like, shut it down. 22:53 Yeah, yeah. 22:54 Shut it down and give you tolerance, 22:55 withdrawal, independence and things which you don't want, you know, and 22:57 and so giving something that's going to optimize the Gabba system 23:00 without clocking it is also super, super helpful. 23:03 Yeah. No I think that's really powerful. 23:05 And so this is where you're talking here about this. 23:08 You're talking about nervous system regulation within with energy right. Yes. 23:12 So we're talking about these different pillars guys. 23:14 Now one of the things you brought up also was the immune and inflammatory tone, 23:20 which affects signal fidelity across metabolic repair and performance pathways. 23:25 That's a lot of words. 23:26 What are you really saying in plain language, Doctor Scott, share what 23:29 I'm saying. 23:29 That your immune system sucks when you're under stress all the time. 23:33 And people that you guys listening know, right? 23:35 If you're under stress. 23:36 You're the first person or maybe the second to get sick. 23:39 Right? 23:39 You just somebody needs to be like 23:41 sneezing in your direction and you're done far, far and you're done. 23:44 Right. 23:44 And this is because your immune system needs a huge amount of energy to work. 23:49 Mitochondria, part of your immune system. 23:51 Cells, right, is the engine for them to work or to not work. 23:56 So if you start giving them your BPC, your TB 500 and things like that, like, 24:01 yeah, you might get a little bit of benefit. 24:02 But if the mitochondria suck, like and this is not anybody's fault, right. 24:06 It's hard. Right? 24:07 Then you're going to have significant issues with your immune system as well. 24:11 And what I find actually to not is that when I'm working with people 24:15 and we're going through this process, if they get sick, it 24:19 kind of derails the whole thing, right? 24:20 And so trying to keep their immune system optimized can be really, really helpful 24:24 along the way. 24:24 So here I use a I use a compound cordyceps from the cordyceps mushroom. 24:29 But and then we have a product called trim units 24:32 that can be great to really help help with this. 24:34 But the goal is again is to really optimize over the long term. 24:38 So they don't need these kinds of things, but or if they're just traveling 24:41 and they, 24:41 you know, they want to prevent themselves from getting sick, you can use them. 24:44 But the immune system is a big part of this. 24:46 And if you don't heed the immune system or acknowledge it and work with it 24:51 while you're building up energy, while you're working on immune 24:55 system, working on, excuse me, sympathetic down regulation. 24:58 The immune system is a big lever there that needs to be supported 25:01 throughout the process, because if you don't, you're going to see 25:04 people have bottlenecks and get derailed along the way. 25:07 And the worst thing we can do for patients I found over the years is not 25:11 support them enough where they start getting very discouraged, right? 25:16 Because like, 25:17 I was trying this for a while, then I got sick 25:19 and then I was derailed for three weeks and then I'm trying again. 25:21 Right? 25:21 Like, so you're trying to find ways to look at what's 25:25 potentially going to be along their path and support them along the way. 25:29 So I stack them on methylene blue and and I stack them on something for sleep 25:33 and something with there for immune system while we're getting them 25:36 their system back online. 25:38 You know, we're getting them on maybe on a couple peptides maybe. Right. 25:40 But I was going to say like, what about like a thymus and alpha 25:43 one in a situation like this, like at a lower dose, like kind of a, 25:47 you know, because I do want to give people some. Yes. 25:50 You know, like some because this is where something like a thymus, an alpha one 25:54 or even maybe a thymus bio regulator can be helpful 25:57 in just supporting the system 25:58 without like what you don't want to do is jack it up, right? 26:02 Is you want to get rid of that bro 26:03 mentality approach, especially with peptides to that 26:09 that is so dominant in this year at the moment. 26:12 Yeah. 26:12 But I think it's a great point I use all the time actually. 26:16 It's a great addition. 26:17 And you're a big fan of the bio regulators. 26:19 I haven't used them as much in clinical practice. 26:22 I know you have had good experiences, and I'm 100% on board with the idea 26:26 behind bio regulators. 26:27 If you've described 26:28 a long for to me over the years because they're more supportive that way. 26:32 Right. 26:32 They're small, they're modulatory, they're modulate. 26:35 Right. And so I think that's great. 26:37 And because you really have to be careful because if you, you know, as you said, 26:41 bro science, your peptides, you are going to cause a reaction. 26:45 And I've seen this where people actually get sick because they've
Immune Support and Bio-Regulators 26:48 all of a sudden jacked up their their immune system function way too high. 26:52 And then they feel terrible, right? 26:54 Then they start having detox symptoms and things. 26:56 And so if you're listening, like you want to support your system 27:00 as supportively and as naturally, organically as possible. 27:04 So if you start trying to overdo it with things, you're you're going to see 27:08 potential effects that might be sort of boomerang in 27:12 you back to where you were before you even started this kind of thing. 27:15 And, and I've seen this a lot and, 27:17 and that's why I'm very slow, like, like a little bit amount of time 27:21 and alpha like a little bit of, of BPC, like a little bit of stuff 27:24 just to help them along the way. 27:25 Can go can be very, very helpful while you're on this path for sure. 27:29 Yeah. 27:29 And so can we give people before we move to the next section, 27:33 can we give people maybe a very short checklist of what are some of the signs 27:38 you want to look out for 27:40 that might indicate that your system is under-resourced and that you need to do 27:43 some of this work before you jump into stimulate, overstimulating. 27:48 The system is there. 27:50 You have something like that living in your head. 27:52 I do, yeah, and I do. 27:54 And it's basically phases of it. Right. 27:57 So there's basically 27:59 what I would describe here is that most of us are under-resourced to some degree. 28:03 Right. And and it depends on what that degree is. 28:06 But if the main things that you're looking at here on a day to day basis are 28:10 how is your energy? 28:11 Is it pretty good throughout the day? 28:13 How is your recovery from anything from going to the gym, 28:16 from having a bad night of sleep? 28:18 I'm having a fight from your with your partner, you know, like you do. 28:21 You get a sense that you're able to recover pretty quickly 28:24 because your mood pretty stable. 28:26 I mean, notwithstanding perimenopause and things like that. 28:28 Of course, that's also thrown into the mix. 28:31 That's another episode. 28:32 Yeah, it's another episode, but that but that's part of it, right? 28:34 You know, 28:34 we know estrogen is a fantastic mitochondrial enhancer 28:37 and you don't have as much or it's going all over the place. 28:39 It's it's a problem. Right. 28:40 Because all of a sudden you were pretty well 28:42 resourced until estrogen started going down and or fluctuating. 28:46 And then all of a sudden things start falling off the bus. 28:49 And and that's what we see a lot. Right. 28:51 Because from, from a perspective that you're listening, 28:55 if you're somebody that is wired but tired all the time, somebody that feel like 28:59 you're chronic, inflamed no matter what you do that you feel like, you know, 29:02 your recovery is really trashed. Like that's like lower. 29:05 That's what I would say is significantly more impaired. 29:08 Right. And so that takes more time to build. 29:11 Whereas if you're just having an extra cup of coffee a couple of times 29:14 a week and feeling like you're endurance is not as good as it was 29:17 when you were 20, that's that's the different sort of scale, right? 29:21 Right. 29:21 And so you might be able to tolerate more quicker when you're on that 29:24 level versus if you're somebody where you know, you've been sick for a while. 29:28 I just haven't feeling like yourself for a while. 29:30 You have to go really slow. 29:31 And that's where some of these interventions, 29:33 like a little bit of methylene blue, a little bit of GABAergic 29:35 support can go a long way just to kind of give you some capacity back. 29:39 Right? Yeah. And what I always talk about my patients is capacity. 29:42 Like, I want to give you as much capacity to do the things that you want to do 29:46 and have the most resilience as possible, and then get you sort of like 29:50 the end of the like the other side of the the hump, which is 29:54 when you don't need a lot of the things that we needed in the beginning. 29:57 And now it's just like you're optimizing in the sense of your diet. 30:01 Your lifestyle is pretty on point. 30:02 Your vitamins, minerals and nutrients, your guts working pretty well. 30:05 Yeah, things are going to go up and down because we're human, right? 30:07 But yeah, 30:08 but in general, you're not going to lead it 30:09 as need as much as you did in the beginning for support. 30:12 There's that's a great, great guidance. 30:15 One of the things I learned in 30:17 and I learned a lot of things, but one of the things I learned 30:19 when I went through the home Hope metabolic metabolomics module 30:23 was all the the cofactors, all the vitamins and minerals 30:28 that are needed at different stages of that electron transport chain. 30:32 And I think that it is so grossly underestimated how important 30:36 those unsexy foundational, 30:40 you know, your B vitamins, your vitamin, whatever, your vitamin C, whatever it is. 30:44 And I think that, you know, what do you think about you know, the in 30:48 certainly in this longevity space, the idea of a daily 30:51 multivitamin has gone out the window like it's completely left the building. 30:55 Right, right. 30:56 And it's not good. 30:57 It's not easy to find a good one. 30:59 But what are your thoughts if somebody doesn't have the resources, 31:02 let's say, to do that, kind of that, that kind of micronutrient testing. 31:07 What are your thoughts on saying, look, if you can find yourself 31:10 a good multivitamin that's got your activated B's, it's got, 31:15 you know, not beta carotene, it's got the retinol like 31:18 it's got the right forms of different basic nutrients 31:22 that it might be a good idea to just take that for a while, 31:25 just to help make sure that all those little compounds are 31:29 where they need to be, and also to support the electron transport chain, 31:33 because if you're deficient, even methylene blue 31:35 might be might struggle to help you as much as it could. 31:38 Sure. Yeah. 31:39 I mean, I definitely think when I use methylene blue, 31:41 it's always in combination with other products as well 31:43 to support energy and detox. 31:44 For context, for those that are listening, health Optimization Medicine 31:47 and Practice is a nonprofit organization that trains practitioners 31:51 on how to optimize health, and we have a whole foundational framework 31:54 in the first module of that, which is called metabolomics, 31:56 is the study of small molecules 31:58 that are working in your cells in real time that we can measure. 32:01 Right. You can measure vitamins, minerals, nutrients, and cofactors. 32:04 You can measure things from the gut. You can measure things like heavy metals. 32:06 And and what's lovely about metabolomics is that it's kind of a beautiful synergy 32:12 of experience and of knowledge, both from your genes and also from the environment. 32:16 Right. 32:16 So if you're just looking at your genes, your genome, 32:18 you really don't know what's happening in the cells. 32:20 You can have an idea. 32:22 There's functional genomics and things like that. Now that help. 32:25 And if you're just looking in the environment, that's great. 32:26 But people are going to have a different experience 32:29 in the same community or in the same area. 32:30 When you have 17,000 Wi-Fi routers that are blasting you in New York City, 32:35 some people are totally cool and other people are like, 32:37 this is the worst place I've ever lived, right? 32:38 And so there's a lot of things that are very variable there. 32:41 And so in clinical practice, the long term for me is getting somebody 32:45 on a health optimization medicine journey, looking at data as much as possible, 32:49 optimizing it in a very specific way. 32:52 And when you're describing not as important, right, which is that 32:56 ideally we want to take things that are directly related to what we need, right? 33:00 So if you need a little bit of a B vitamin specifically, you can take that. 33:03 Like if you need a little vitamin C we can take that. Right. 33:06 But if you don't have the resources to take a metabolomics test, 33:10 which is like 3 or 400 bucks, it's not a huge amount of money, right? 33:13 But you also have to know the right people to be able 33:15 to help you interpret these as well, which is another story. 33:19 And we have a whole, 33:20 you know, we have a whole ecosystem. If people are interested at home, hope 33:22 they can learn and find people to work with. 33:24 I get it. 33:25 Not everybody can can actually afford this and take the supplements 33:29 and things like that that are very specific. 33:31 I mean, there have been some good studies in that recently that even 33:34 the crappiest multivitamins like it does something. 33:37 Yeah, they do something right. 33:39 Like, you know, doctors in the conventional world for years, it's 33:42 just expensive piss. 33:43 But no, there's something there, right? 33:46 Even in like the shittiest Flintstone vitamin equivalent, you know, whatever. 33:50 You know, you could see you're going to did I, 33:52 did I just do something that's going to get. 33:54 No, no, we're not promoting Flintstone vitamins. 33:56 But I'm saying no, no, no, I don't think. 33:59 But but but there's something there. Right. 34:01 And so if you can get the right vitamin multi with 34:04 as you mentioned like good activated and sort of good ideas 34:07 of what mineral content you might need, I'm absolutely a proponent of that. 34:11 And you know for most of like a lot of the empiric things 34:14 that I work on with people like that have an acute issue, like an acute injury, 34:18 like I've worked in hyperbaric medicine and concussion forever. 34:21 Right. 34:21 And so I static was always an activated multivitamin 34:25 that gave you everything that I think you needed, or at least close to it. 34:29 And like a fish oil that would be good and probiotic 34:31 that I thought would be helpful, a mineral supplement that would be helpful. 34:34 It wasn't in the multi like, 34:36 and I was thinking about something like NAC or glutathione for an antioxidant. 34:39 So like I think 34:40 and that's what I use as a stack for a lot of people that can't go 34:44 and get all the testing done. 34:45 Yeah, because I know most of us need that stuff. 34:47 Yeah. Cover the bases.
Testing, Multivitamins, and Long-Term Optimization 34:49 Yeah. 34:49 And and home hope was you know, we knew that there was a long term play. 34:53 Right. 34:53 It wasn't something that people would feel better tomorrow. 34:56 That's what. 34:57 That's why transcriptions emerged out of home hope as a way as a as a company 35:03 with products to help right now along the path of optimizing health. 35:06 And so in my and our goal and my goal as a clinical clinician always 35:10 is get the support. 35:11 Now that they need use the transcription products, use peptides 35:16 if needed, but with a base. 35:17 And then over the long term, peel those things off as you don't need it 35:21 more help with your sleep. 35:22 No, don't really need a lot more help with mitochondrial function 35:25 because things are working now as they are supposed to. 35:29 And the beautiful thing about these bodies is that if you're alive, 35:32 you can fix them to some degree, right? 35:34 Like, I mean, I mean, there's a spectrum here, like, if, 35:37 you know, if you're on dialysis and don't have kidneys, well, 35:39 you know, you need new kidneys, right? 35:41 But like in general, it's funny because, you know, they talk about, 35:45 like, your mission on this planet, if you're still alive, 35:48 you haven't completed it yet, right? 35:50 That's what we say in in meditations in circles and things like that 35:53 or whatever you want to think about it from a new agey karmic way. 35:57 You can, but you don't. 35:58 But in general, if you're still here right now with us, 36:01 there's more you can do to optimize your health. 36:04 It may not be, you know, to an elite athlete 36:07 that's doing, you know, Iron Man's. 36:09 Yeah, but there is improvements you can make. 36:11 And what I've always been surprised about is it's very uncommon. 36:15 It's very common, I should say, for people to take something like methylene 36:19 blue, for example, and go, I had no idea how much brain fog I had. 36:24 Intel I started taking this right? 36:26 And I'd be like, this is why, right? 36:28 And now you know that there's a different 36:31 gear that you have or a different level. 36:34 That level is probably better than gear, where 36:37 you have a capacity that you just can rebuild over time. 36:40 And it may not happen tomorrow or but in six months, 36:43 if we can work on this together using a framework 36:46 like health optimization medicine, you're going to see that 36:48 you're going to maintain this baseline. 36:50 You're going to tell me this is always classic, right? 36:51 I don't think I'm there anymore. 36:53 Like like those supplements, those things don't work as much as they used to. 36:56 And I go, yeah, 36:56 because you're already at that level that you don't need them as much. 36:59 Right? 36:59 They're having the same effect anymore 37:01 because you're baseline is now up from it was before. 37:05 Yeah. 37:06 And that's funny for people 37:07 because they're like oh these things don't work anymore. 37:08 I'm like, no, it's just because you're you just feel better. 37:11 Yeah. You just feel better, right? Yeah. 37:13 And so it's a kind of a funny thing to talk to about with patients is like, 37:17 oh, that first time I took methylene blue. Oh, my God, I felt so good. 37:19 And now I take it I'm like, I don't feel it's going to like, 37:21 well shocking because your baseline is now there. 37:25 Right. 37:25 And so just kind of a funny thing that I always have to counsel people around. 37:30 I love it. 37:30 You, you know, in, in your guide for me that you created for, for this, 37:36 this interview, you wanted to talk a little bit 37:39 about chronic inflammation in the context of peptide therapy. 37:43 You know, you wanted to really talk about how this background noise, 37:48 if it's too prevalent, if there's and I'm a big believer in this 37:51 as well as you, is that it's really going to interfere with the signaling. 37:55 And so your peptides may not land as well. 37:58 Again like I think that do you want to talk about that 38:01 a little bit in as our last topic before we. 38:05 Because I know 38:06 we're getting close to the top of the hour and you're going to have to go. 38:09 And so yeah, no, this is good. 38:11 I think it's a really important piece. Right. 38:14 Because if there's just a lot of noise in the space, 38:17 if there's a lot of noise, it's very difficult to find the signal. 38:20 Right. And you're adding a peptide in 38:22 that is trying to find and help you with the signal. 38:24 But there's just too much noise that is in the way. 38:27 And this is what inflammation is really doing. Right. 38:29 And if you don't have the signal strong enough, 38:33 then it's very difficult for sometimes these peptides to sort of hone 38:36 in on them and deal with the signal instead of getting sort of distracted 38:40 by all the noise. 38:41 It's like having, you know, attention deficit disorder, 38:44 like, oh, it gets like this peptides coming in. 38:45 Look, I'm going to do it, that I'm going to do what this going to do with this. 38:47 But no, like it's not that that you're trying to deal with it. 38:50 It's like it's the actual root of things, you know, that you're trying to address, 38:54 but you can't right then. 38:55 And I talk about this a lot, where you bring in more of a foundational approach. 39:00 You optimize, especially mitochondrial function, 39:03 and then almost everything is going to have less noise, 39:07 less distraction from what's actually happening. 39:11 And then all of a sudden those peptides are actually landing. 39:14 All of a sudden it's not like trying to like turn the house on 39:18 to full brightness when you can only get a dimmer switch going 39:21 because it's like just you can't get there, right? 39:23 All of a sudden you can pull it up to like, 39:25 you know, to 11, you know, because you're because you're like, you know, 39:28 Spinal Tap, everybody. 39:29 But like, you can go up to 11 and like, I'm 39:33 too young for that movie, but I still know the reference. 39:35 But you turn it up to 11 39:36 and then all of a sudden the brightness is up, 39:38 and then it's like your peptides can see where they're going, you know? 39:41 And so and the same thing goes with the nervous system. 39:44 Right. 39:44 If, if you're trying to give like PT 141 or something to somebody 39:49 that is hyper stressed and anxious 39:52 all the time, like it's still not going to help with sex very much, right? 39:55 Because, look, you got to calm down your nervous system to, you know, do that. 39:59 Like if you're looking 40:00 and it's just it's so important to think about these things in context. 40:03 Everybody. Right. 40:04 So if you're thinking about using a peptide for X, well is your system 40:09 able to actually take that and have a big enough signal 40:12 that it's not going to get distracted by all the noise 40:14 and you're like, why do this didn't work for me? 40:16 Well, you know, it's because you didn't have a strong enough signal, you know? 40:19 Yeah. 40:19 Or you didn't take care of the right thing at the right time, 40:22 or there's not enough energy in the system. Sure. Right. 40:25 And that's that's the big thing we do the signal. 40:27 We do hear that a lot. 40:28 And your quality, I mean, I think that the quality of what 40:32 you're getting your hands on is going to be very, very important. 40:35 And, you know, by the time this this summit airs, 40:38 the FDA will have started the process of, 40:42 you know, vetting the peptides in front of them. 40:44 And it'll be interesting to see how long it's going to take, 40:47 because it's not going to be immediate, like how long it's going to take for 40:51 for access back to these molecules through vetted vendors. 40:56 Right. 40:57 Because, you know, you've mentioned a number of times, like people 41:00 buying from UN, you know, from the lowest bidder on online. 41:05 And I think if there's one message you guys everybody can walk away 41:09 with from this summit, it's you want to prepare the system, 41:13 you want to do all the things, make sure that there's your body is ready 41:16 and equipped to respond to the peptides. 41:20 But on top of that, your sourcing has got to be impeccable. 41:24 And whether it's your peptides, 41:26 your methylene blue or any, any other supplement that you're using. 41:30 And, you know, one of the things I'm going to do 41:33 just for a second here, apologies. 41:35 One of the things I love 41:37 about transcriptions is because you've got five docs on staff, 41:40 like you're all very committed to your sourcing quality and purity. 41:46 And it's a big deal, you know, especially when you're dealing 41:49 with a compound like methylene blue that got very, very popular. 41:52 It you know, whenever it's a little bit like dog breeds, right. 41:55 Like everybody all of a sudden it's golden retrievers or it's Belgian Malinois.
Product Quality, Sourcing, and Closing Remarks 42:00 Boy, that's going to be a problem. 42:02 Like whatever the, the, the flavor of the moment is. 42:05 And people see an opportunity to make a buck and they're not 42:08 that concerned about and, and the consumer for you guys, you're 42:13 just looking to the saying, you know, I'm I only have limited resources. 42:17 But I'll tell you, you will you will lose 42:20 a lot of those resources to medical care if you're not careful about your sourcing. 42:24 Yeah. 42:25 We tested the top ten brands on Amazon for quality 42:28 on Methylene Blue, and none of them were close to ours. 42:31 A lot of the potency, which is like the amount of milligrams 42:34 in the dose that they say versus how much they're actually is, 42:38 was atrocious, like 40 or 50%. 42:39 We just tested another company 10% of what it said, unlabeled. 42:43 So it was supposed to be ten milligrams per drop. 42:44 It was one milligram per drop. 42:46 And so I was impressed. 42:47 It's a very, very popular one on Amazon right now. 42:50 And that's a whole soapbox of buying things on Amazon in general 42:53 and being very careful what you get. 42:54 But we really do care about quality and we've tested our stuff 42:57 and we always do much more than any other company that I'm aware of. 43:00 And as a physician, as a dad, as a 43:03 as a person that cares about long term working with people, it's 43:08 not just about helping somebody with a quick buck for something. 43:11 It's really, you know, we were we were the first company 43:13 to come out with a methylene blue product, as you know, now in 2020. 43:16 So, you know, before it was cool, before the pandemic, a month before the pandemic. 43:21 You know, interesting timing and everything. Okay. 43:23 So everything we do at transcriptions really is focused on quality. 43:26 It's focused on making sure we're giving you the best stuff possible 43:30 and going to the ends of the earth to find interesting ingredients 43:34 that have much more comprehensive effects, rather than things that are 43:37 just going to help you right now and and not potentially help you long term 43:41 if you stay on them for too long, that kind of thing. 43:43 And so that's our Gaba system and some of our formulas there, 43:46 along with the methylene blue. 43:47 And we have our Truman which has cordyceps from the cordyceps mushroom which is one 43:51 of the most powerful anionic oxidants and antimicrobials that we've found. 43:55 But very little bit only a little bit in the mushroom. 43:58 And we're the only company 43:59 that's brave enough to use it in the compound potency that we have, 44:03 because it's not expensive, it's very expensive, it's not easy, 44:07 and it's very expensive. 44:08 And so most supplement companies care about bottom lines. 44:10 And of course we have to make money. 44:12 But our main thing is therapeutic value. Right. 44:15 And so, you know, we we do really go to the ends of the earth 44:19 to, to do all this stuff. 44:20 And we do in the context of the long term game. 44:22 Right, which is our health optimization medicine framework, even if that's not 44:26 of interest to you, work with a provider long term to help you. 44:30 Right. 44:31 And there's a lot more services out there now that are doing like AI, 44:34 AI readouts of your labs. 44:35 That's a good start. 44:37 Okay. 44:37 It's definitely better than what 44:38 we've had before, but just be aware it's an AI readout of your labs. 44:43 And I have friends that are part of these large companies that are doing these labs 44:47 every six months, and I think it's better than what we've had before. 44:50 But just be mindful. 44:51 There's also another business that's growing now, 44:53 people that are just consulting on your labs 44:56 from all these other companies because your AI readout doesn't make any sense. 45:00 So, you know, always with a grain of salt. 45:02 So yeah. 45:03 Well, thank you for for the opportunity that it's always 45:05 it's always good to put things in context and have a little fun with you. 45:08 Thank you Scott. 45:09 This was great. 45:10 Please tell people where they can find you. 45:12 And if they're feeling inspired 45:14 and want to get their hands on some of that methylene blue or trombone 45:17 or whatever it is that you've got, let's tell them where to go. 45:22 Why, sure. 45:22 So choice is the name of the company. It's 45:26 to find our products. 45:27 You can find us on the socials. We have a YouTube channel as well. 45:30 We have a weekly series 45:32 called Don't Look Up where we talk about all various topics, which is fun. 45:36 I love that actually one of my favorite things we do at the company, 45:39 so you can check out all our products are just blue is our pure methylene blue. 45:42 We have one called Blue Carnitine which is one of Nat's favorites. 45:45 It's a combination of methylene blue with nicotine, caffeine, and CBD. 45:49 We also have trachoma and Tros that work on the side. 45:53 Moon, which is for the immune system, great for travel, 45:56 preventing you from getting sick. I don't leave home without it. 45:58 We have a little bowl of them in my house. 46:00 Everybody you know, as I have petri dishes of for children here, 46:03 although they're not as young, 46:04 so not as much, not as bad as often as what they used to. 46:08 And if you're just in the nonprofit, it's health optimization medicine. 46:11 In practice, it's home hope. 46:13 If you're a clinician, you don't have to be licensed. 46:15 You can come get trained with us. 46:16 We have great programs. Nats taken some of them with us. 46:19 We have ways of small group training as well. 46:21 If you're interested to check it out at home. 46:23 Org beautiful. 46:25 Thank you so much Doctor Scott. 46:26 Have an amazing day and everybody. 46:28 We'll see you next time. Bye bye.
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