Full Transcript Introduction to Toxic Burden and Health Detective Mindset 0:00 You don't have to be perfect to become your own health detective. 0:03 You start with one thing at a time. 0:06 If you have that scratched up pan, it's time to swap it out for heating in glass, tempered glass or heating a stainless steel pan. 0:14 A stainless-steel pan on Amazon is going to remove a million toxicant particles per day that are coming at you And what, 0:23 disrupting your endocrine system, irritating your gut, you know, stressing out your nervous system and telling your mitochondria, 0:29 guess what? 0:30 You shouldn't make energy right now. 0:32 It's not safe. 0:33 Let's go into defense mode. 0:34 So as we become a health detective, we're going to look for those quick swaps that don't feel hard so that you could start building momentum. 0:41 And we have to add energy back into the system early, earlier, early or earlier than you think. 0:46 Symptoms are only part of the story. 0:49 I'm Dr. 0:49 Drew Kidder. 0:50 I am Dr Emily Hernandez. 0:52 And on the healing terrain, we explore deeper systems influencing clinical outcomes from toxic burden and microbial imbalance to the foundational factors 1:01 that drive resilience and long-term health. 1:11 Hey, everyone, Dr. 1:12 Drew Kidder here with Sinclair Canale for this episode of the Healing Terrain podcast. 1:20 SInclair, so great to have you here. 1:22 Happy to be here, as always. 1:23 So we get to, As always, we have these geeky conversations just normally, but we got to now share this information with others that, 1:33 you know, not only are thirsty for t his information, bu truly need to hear this informatio I wanna talk with you a little bit today, 1:42 actually not a bit, a lot about really chronic illness in a toxic world, right? 1:50 You have become a truly an expert, pioneer in this space. 1:55 And so I guess first of all, let's talk about like how we really got to the place where we are today that we're looking at the impact of the toxic that 2:06 world that live in and how that is driving for so many chronic illness. 2:10 Yeah, you know, none of us want to become an expert at this, right? 2:14 So I think that the bill is coming due now, but it's actually been building for several decades and it is multifactorial. 2:20 So you don't have to have gone through like an acute, exciting, strange exposure.
How Everyday Exposures Drive Chronic Illness 2:26 What we're really talking about when we say toxicity driving chronic illnesses, we are talking the little inputs. 2:32 the non-stick pan that has some scratches in it that you still use. 2:36 Yes, the nail polish, yes the Glade Air plugins, your Uber car freshener that gave you a headache for two hours afterwards that never used to bother you. 2:48 you know, the downy sheets, like these all add up and they're compounding things that have been in our food, air, and water in increasing amounts in decades. 2:57 So some of this is under our control and some it is not. 3:00 And so it can be really frustrating to have this conversation. 3:06 It is not too late. 3:07 And the math is there, the data is, there we can see these exposures in tiny amounts absolutely drive a myriad of different chronic illness diagnoses and 3:18 just symptoms in general, but they are also reversible. 3:21 So that's where we want to start. 3:23 Love the fact that, you know, You're such a great, I think I've referred to you before as a hope dealer, right? 3:29 Because you don't want people to lose hope, We can't live in a bubble, but what do we do about the things that are in our control? 3:43 Because what I'm hearing you talk is it's in the air we breathe, the water we drink, food we eat, all of those things, exposures that sometimes are entirely 3:53 out of our control, right? 3:56 I'm also hearing like, it's this law of biological accumulation. 4:01 It's not a single acute, you know, episode. 4:05 Its what's happening over time. 4:07 So what, share, like what have you seen have been some of the biggest things to move people out of that toxic environment and address the toxins that they've 4:20 been exposed to? 4:21 I think the most important thing, and I know people are going to cringe when I say this, but the first thing is a mindset shift because I'm not being fluffy 4:28 with you. 4:29 We'll get into the nitty-gritty details throughout this podcast exactly what to do. 4:33 It's a mind-set shift from doc, I need to find the right doc who's going fix me with one pill or one band-aid or intervention and instead say I am going 4:43 become my own health detective. 4:44 I'm going to become the CEO of my own health. 4:47 And a big part of that is retracing the timeline. 4:49 Hey, when did this first start for me? 4:52 When did my body first get my attention? 4:54 What were those whispers before they became shouts? 4:56 Because symptoms are the language of the body and they're showing us not just mechanisms of damage, but sometimes also routes of exposure. 5:04 You know, what have we inhaled that molds, you know in our college first apartment? 5:10 Yes, it counts. 5:12 The rashes that you used to get when the basement flooded every winter at home in your childhood home. 5:18 These things matter and they all add up. 5:20 So the routes of exposure, the type of toxin, and then finally the mechanism of damage that toxins creates. 5:26 The biggest mistake we can make, especially for practitioners. 5:29 I hear them say this all the time to me. 5:31 Oh yeah, I know about toxins and everybody's got them so I just kind of generally account for it and I throw in a binder. 5:38 into the protocol, and that's enough, right? 5:41 No, ma'am, that is not enough. 5:42 Toxicants, by their nature, are very specific in the way they interrupt the body's own innate healing intelligence.
Becoming Your Own Health Detective 5:50 So as you become your own health detective, if you're doing this for yourself and you are at the beginning, just remember, 5:55 first of all, I'm super lazy about self-care. 5:58 I am a giant wuss.I hate trying new things. 6:00 i had a huge chip on my shoulder and was waiting for someone to fix me. 6:03 They had over seven different diagnoses. 6:05 They told me I'd be in a wheelchair by 35 and that I would be dead shortly thereafter. 6:09 I was being told, hey, go on disability. 6:11 Since your brain doesn't work anymore, since you can't read an email or write a sentence, you know, that's your best bet. 6:17 Congratulations. 6:18 And that is just not true. 6:20 Now I have like a whole year long certification we built for practitioners in Toxin University. 6:25 There's no way I could have done that. 6:27 So you don't have to be perfect. 6:29 to become your own health detective, you start with one thing at a time. 6:33 If you have that scratched up pan, it's time to swap it out for heating in glass, tempered glass or heating on a stainless steel pan. 6:42 A stainless-steel pan on Amazon is going to remove a million toxicant particles per day that are coming at you And what, 6:51 disrupting your endocrine system, irritating your gut, you know, stressing out your nervous system and telling your mitochondria, 6:57 guess what? 6:58 You shouldn't make energy right now. 7:00 It's not safe. 7:00 Let's go into defense mode. 7:02 So as we become a health detective, we're going to look for those quick swaps that don't feel hard so that you could start building momentum. 7:08 And we have to add energy back into the system early, earlier, early earlier than you think, I love, you know, something as simple as investing, 7:19 it's an investment, right, in your health with making those swaps, swapping to stainless steel, swap into glass, but I loved what you said about symptoms 7:33 being whispers, because I think we live in a world where we suppress symptoms. 7:39 When those are the voice that there is something wrong, that they're something that we need to address. 7:45 Sadly, people are programmed to, Oh, I have a symptom. 7:49 What do I do to squash? 7:51 I had a headache. 7:53 I'm going to take Tylenol. 7:54 And I used to kiddingly say to my patients, oh, you have headaches. 7:57 You take Tylenol, does Tylinol work? 7:59 Yeah, it works for, about four hours. 8:02 Well, what do you do then? 8:03 Also robs you of your liver and that bill will come due later. 8:07 And then what do you do? 8:09 Oh, I take another dose of Tylenol and I go, oh, so I know why you have headaches. 8:13 You have a Tylinol deficiency, right? 8:15 Kidding. 8:16 But those symptoms and listening to those systems, but also I love that you are such a proponent of empowering people to take charge in their own health. 8:28 Yeah, I think we have to be because the future doctor is you. 8:33 Like you're going to your own healer and honestly you wouldn't want it any other way. 8:38 You can use guides as navigators, you can practice as a navigator for as long as you need them.
Mitochondrial Support and Energy Before Detox 8:43 They might have the maps, but you are the territory, the terrain. 8:46 So that's how I want all of the practitioners who are tackling root causes right now to really think about this, like, okay, 8:53 we're going to put together the best maps we have, the data, best lab testing, you know, new cutting edge information, pair that with foundational ancient 9:03 healing principles, and reactivate the bodies on intelligence. 9:07 But it's still, every healing project is still a DIY project. 9:11 You know, I'm not the food police, and I am not a police. 9:15 My job is to open doors. 9:17 That's it. 9:18 I love that. 9:18 So, you know you say like, You are the doctor of the future, right? 9:23 You, the patient, are that the Doctor of The Future? 9:26 I kiddingly, not so much kidding, say that The Doctor Of The future is going to be an MD, but a mitochondrial doctor, Right? 9:38 Talk about, I know I am nerds, we love this. 9:44 But I think, you know, talk about that because mitochondrial function is a key portion of what you do in your programs in their patient care. 9:53 Because can we expect to heal the body? 9:56 Can we to optimize organ function in any organ, the liver, you know, heart, brain, if we're not supporting the mitochondria. 10:05 So talk to me about how you have woven, mitochondrial function before I want to segue into detoxification and drainage. 10:16 And you're a wizard at, talking about the importance of drainage before detox. 10:22 So talk mitochondria and then that important drainage. 10:26 Well, any chronic symptom has a mitochondrial deficiency underneath it. 10:32 Otherwise, the body would have had enough energy to reallocate resources to manage this and resolve it, and there are some extremes and some other factors 10:41 in place, but that is a fundamental universality. 10:44 Every chronic symptoms has within it a myocondria deficiency as a core factor. 10:49 So before we go to like detox and, you know, doing parasite cleanses and like, let's scrub all this stuff out of the body, 10:57 we have to ask ourselves, what would the bodies like given the fact that it's already been on the back foot for years if not decades because of quality 11:05 of our food and the toxicant exposures. 11:08 You have remember that mitochondria respond to toxic exposure just as the rest of your body does. 11:14 They are listening all the time within the cell and also into the extracellular matrix How's it going out there? 11:20 Is it safe? 11:21 Are we good? 11:21 Should I be making energy or should I going into defense mode and shutting down and going on alert? 11:27 Or can I actually be the little energizer bunny power plants that we want to be? 11:32 So as soon as a toxicant comes into proximity with mitochondria, they will slow down productivity of ATP production, which is the body's energy currency, 11:43 right? 11:43 It is a body capacity to do work. 11:46 So if you have a constant interruption, you are going to have this feedback loop that goes like this. 11:52 Toxicant comes into the body, circulates enough that the mitochondria get the signal, no good, we're gonna shut down. 11:58 The immune system and the nervous system are also having their own layered responses within that because you had a million to two million mitochondrial 12:06 per neuron. 12:07 So, of course, your nervous system's going to notice, oh my God, brain fog, Oh my god, inflammation, I don't feel safe, anxiety. 12:16 You know what that means? 12:17 Because we don t feel save on the inside or the outside, we're going slow down detox and drainage. 12:23 Let's just slow everything down, let's go into stress management mode. 12:27 Yeah, exactly. 12:28 And it's so much bigger than fight or flight. 12:29 This is really about physiological responses your body is reprioritizing away from healing, detox, and repair. 12:37 right when you need them the most. 12:40 So we really want to add in a lot of energy and stack it, stack the deck in your favor. 12:46 Before we ask the body to do the work, your body's not stupid. 12:49 It knows that stuff needs to happen. 12:51 it needs some strategic support. 12:53 so we want it ease into a very robust stack of Energy support and I say ease in to very intentionally because what happens if you give a starving body energy, 13:04 it wants to some ketchup work. 13:06 So if you've ever had a paradoxical reaction to mitochondrial support and went, why won't even energy support help me? 13:11 Why am I broken? 13:13 You're not broken. 13:13 Your body was just like, OK, I finally got something. 13:16 You know, and it didn't feel good. 13:18 The healing response didn' feel so good, so sometimes we need to ease in for the more sensitive individuals, especially when drainage has really been blocked 13:24 for a long time. 13:25 That's OK. 13:26 But we still got to get there. 13:27 We still gotta get that mitochondria support in. 13:30 Love it. 13:30 So I'm hearing mitochondria be for anything else that you do just from the standpoint that the body meets the energy.
Drainage, Bile Flow, and Detox Pathways 13:40 Like Mito ATP or Midoactive rather, you know, and like hydroxygen, like these are really core elements in that process. 13:47 And you can microdose if you have to, but you still got to get them in and start speeding up the gears. 13:52 Yeah. 13:53 So drainage may be a foreign concept to some, right? 13:55 We hear about detox, this beautiful phase one, phase two of liver detoxification, all the cytochrome P450 enzymes in the conjugation and all of the things, 14:07 that then take that toxin from fat soluble to water soluable to eliminate from the body. 14:12 But what if they can't be eliminated from a body because what is not functioning properly? 14:19 Well, when you don't have enough energy for a long time, and when even depleted of core nutrients that support basic things like nervous system function 14:26 and gut motility, it's really easy for the whole body to experience stagnation. 14:32 And so when your asking the body remember how to excrete and upregulate excretion, you know, up regulate these detox processes, 14:40 the first question you have to ask is, am I trying to flush a clogged toilet? 14:44 She says, what happens when we do that? 14:46 It's not cute. 14:47 It is a little messy. 14:48 A little fast. 14:50 Great analogy. 14:51 Yeah. 14:51 So it just in simple terms, I know drainage is an ugly word and it doesn't sound profound, but it actually is miraculous because we're supporting the body's 15:00 own innate strategies for release. 15:02 I'm moving stream runs clean. 15:04 A stagnant pond is exactly where you get those algae blooms, the trash buildup, when the fish are sick, The ducks won't go there. 15:11 Like that's what's happening in your drainage pathways right now. 15:15 So it's the perfect environment for toxin build up, pathogen bloom, fungal overgrowth, all that stuff. 15:21 If you cannot move things out fast enough, but if you're trying to get this system going, you know, and it has been on the back for a long time, 15:27 You have to start from the bottom up. 15:29 so we have move our bowels daily, gotta get obsessed with poop guys. 15:33 No doubt, no doubt. 15:35 Yes, sorry, we talk about poop here a lot because if you're not pooping, you are not eliminating those toxins. 15:42 What do you deal with? 15:43 Auto-toxification. 15:44 They're going to be reabsorbed. 15:46 So, focusing on first bowel movements and then what do look at is kind of next. 15:54 With Cellcore, we talk about the drainage funnel, right? 15:56 But what's within that? 15:58 What's your kind of, I know what you're oftentimes coined as. 16:04 So, talk more about that drainage, like the additional layer. 16:07 Well, your drainage is following the core principles of ancient healing, of homotoxicology, actually, itself. 16:13 You know, the same stuff that I learned in bioregulatory medicine. 16:16 We're all saying the we need there's an order of operations to increasing the body to support release as soon as you get those bowels moving we can start 16:26 tracking and supporting things like bio flow and you know regulation at the liver level because that is those two bookends are going to keep your intestines moving. 16:36 So that's really critical. 16:38 Gut motility is regulated by the nervous system. 16:42 And yes, your microbiome plays a role, but your bile flow is critical for that. 16:47 You can't obsess about the small intestine and spend all of your money in your protocol budget on probiotics or antibiotics and recovering from them. 16:56 you know, if you're not looking above and below, you are not going to get anywhere. 16:59 So that's what we think about in terms of the drainage funnel. 17:02 For drainage support, I like well-rounded formulas that support the liver and kidneys and protect them in this process. 17:09 You're going not to milk thistle your way through detoxing this day and age. 17:14 I loved it back in the day. 17:17 It's not for general liver support. 17:19 Certainly. 17:19 For people who are already healthy. 17:21 But for people, who have chronic symptoms and conditions, that is not enough to destagnate a very overloaded liver. 17:27 And you have to remember that your liver will lie to you on lab work because ALT, AST, these kinds of standard labs are tracking very downstream distress 17:37 after pathology is already on its way to development. 17:39 It's not actually tracking or showing you bile flow or liver efficiency. 17:44 So assume, in a stagnant world, there's a little less bioflow efficiency than you would like. 17:49 So you want to love up those bio-ducks with biobuilders and bio movers, like Tedka, for example, which is also highly neuro-inflammatory, 17:57 I mean, anti-flammatory. 17:59 Thank goodness. 18:00 It's like a great two-for-one right there. 18:02 And it is the king of bio builders and biomovers. 18:05 I like that, and I liked a well-rounded formula, such as Pale Support. 18:08 That's trusted, tried, true, surprisingly well tolerated. 18:12 You know, so those two together, it's not one or the other because they have very different functions as well. 18:19 So your drainage support stack is critical. 18:21 To get your valves moving, you can add in that, KL support and Tedka, for example. 18:25 All the way up to really facilitating cellular detoxification. 18:29 But as we're draining at the cellular level, if they can't move through those pathways, they're never going to be properly eliminated. 18:37 Yeah, and like lymphatic detox is very trendy online right now and everybody's learning the self massage points, which are great.
Practical Swaps and Final Takeaways 18:43 Those are a great maintenance supports. 18:45 But if for the people that like feel worse after that, it's because you moved out waste and pathogens and histamine, you know, 18:53 because lymph is a histamines mover and you dumped it into the bloodstream and there's not enough flow in the liver. 18:59 So you're ignoring the order of operations in a drainage funnel. 19:03 I love this. 19:03 You and I could go on for hours on this, but I think there are so many tangible tools that you gave people looking at eliminating what is in your control, 19:13 getting rid of those pans, right? 19:16 Getting rid PFAS, PFOS, right? 19:24 All the toxins that we're exposed to. 19:26 But really starting with the basics, giving the body what it needs to function properly. 19:33 So in closing, give everyone, the audience, an amazing Sinclair nugget, a takeaway of something actionable they can do today. 19:42 Okay. 19:43 Well, first of all, there's nothing wrong with your body. 19:44 Your body doesn't make mistakes. 19:46 It's responding very logically to unprecedented stressors from these different types of toxicants, the industrial chemicals, 19:54 heavy metals, molds, all these food preservatives, food dyes, and all the different names for MSG. 20:00 Like, it's everywhere, but it doesn t mean that it s too late. 20:04 And so, as you learn about these pieces, First of all, be upregulating your energy and supporting your nervous system so that you have some momentum on 20:12 your side. 20:13 And remember, this is a little step at a time. 20:15 That's it. 20:16 and that is enough. 20:18 It really is. 20:19 You lived your way into this, you've got to give yourself time to live your out of it, so give your body grace because it's on you side, 20:26 it wants to feel good, and it has not given up on yet. 20:30 Sinclair, as always, fantastic to see you, pleasure to have you on this episode of the Healing Terrain podcast. 20:40 And thank you so much for everything that you do in this space. 20:43 Thanks for listening to the healing terrain. 20:45 If this episodes challenge the way you think about health and healing, please follow, share and leave a review. 20:52 It helps more practitioners and curious listeners discover the conversations shaping the future of foundational medicine.
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