Unearth Lymphatic Truths From A Lymphomaniac

Kelly Kennedy

She’s got a lot to say. I’m trying to –

Sharon Stills, ND

She’s funny as hell, she’s smart as hell. She’s here with us today. 

Kelly Kennedy

I’m sure. She just thought I was funny as hell. It’s one of my favorite things that people say about me, honestly. Thank you, Sharon. 

Sharon Stills, ND

I wasn’t really I just I just channeled that. It just came out. It wasn’t planned. So well, welcome. I’m sure a lot of listeners know you because you’ve hosted your own fascial summit. So for those that do, they know what a treat there in far and for those that don’t if you could just maybe tell us a little bit more about who you are. You have a such a fascinating story. If you could just share that with everyone.

Kelly Kennedy

Thank you. I’m just excited you’re doing it, so it gives us an opportunity to hang out honestly and to educate. I know that’s one of the things we’ve always connected about. When I first met Sharon, she was such a wealth of information that I was like, Oh my God, I get to, like, be her friend. I was so excited when we started to really become friends about, I don’t know, 15 years ago or so now. But my story started a very long time ago, when I grew up in a household where my father had cancer. He had Hodgkin’s disease, and I just didn’t want to get it. So I was selfishly like, Oh, become a doctor, and then I won’t. I’ll figure out how to not get cancer. My first year at Cornell, I was in a horrible car accident and suffered some injuries that basically left me with long-term pain, and I was told to manage my pain. So in managing pain, I watched my 55-year-old father die as a result of pneumonia—not from cancer, just from pneumonia. He had chemotherapy and radiation in the 1970s and 1980s. So you can appreciate what that was like. I just lifted my head up after he died and was like, I don’t think medicine really has this figured out. I think I’m going to continue to search, and I did. 

I just found bioregulatory medicine about ten years later, and I didn’t really understand it, but I do know the reason I found it was because, who’s now my husband Ian, when I first got introduced to this world of vitalistic healing, it was through him that I came to his office, and I was in a lot of pain, and he did some muscle testing, which I’m sure a lot of you are familiar with now. He did some energetic release, and my pain went away, and I was like, Wait a second, I’m on Vicodin, Flexiril, and marijuana. I was on all sorts of stuff to try to manage my pain. This guy did some emotional work. Now that my pain has gone from a physical car accident from two compressed vertebrae to I have a 12-inch scar on my head. I was lacerated in my spleen; what the heck’s going on? When I went back to his office, because, listen, I was going to neurologists and all sorts of people, the bottom line is that after all the specialists in all the states, this guy who did energetic healing was the one who helped me. When I asked him how he did it, he said, Energy cool, huh? I was like, What? How do I keep it? How do I make sure the pain doesn’t go away? He came back, and it was like, Oh, just BE. Now, Sharon, Dr. Sharon Stills—I mean her no disrespect. She was, honestly, one of my sisters. Dr. Sharon is like, Oh, yes, I know BE. Because one of the first classes I ever took with Dr. Sharon was learning how to BE, and I was like, Oh, I know I’m in the right place because these people know how to BE.

It was at that first bioregulatory medicine conference that I actually met Dr. Sharon Stills, whom I had already been searching for BEING. We saw the science of brain medicine and what BEING in the space of healing really meant. I was like a kid in a candy store. I was like, There are quantitative assessments, and we can, like, figure this out: what is energy is? How to track it? How do I make sure that it’s actually what’s in charge of healing? That began my journey of doing things, like contact regulation thermography, as you do. That’s how I became the lymph queen, because, as you know, that’s the only quantitative task that tasks the lymph. We had all these clients far and wide that weren’t getting better. They couldn’t detox. They had deep illnesses—cancers. Every one of them had their lymph are jacked up. So I started researching all the ways to help their lymph. I knew that was a big part of their terrain, because I don’t know if everybody listening knows this. I know you do, obviously, but we have three times more lymphatic fluid than we do blood. I remember when I looked at a dark field microscope that first time, and I remember when he put it up on the screen, and I was like, There’s space between the cells that we can see. There’s a lot more space, and there are cells. Why are we not looking at the space? It just started to make all the sense in the world, and having had a scar on my head and fascia adhesions from the scar when we treated the scar, for the first time in my life, on my second year of bioregulatory medicine clinical training, I think Sharon was there as well out in Santa Fe. You probably remember it. I had my scar injected, and I pretty much ran outside at that point and grounded.

But when we had my scar treated that night, I laid on my back for the first time in 13 years and went to sleep. I was like, What is this crazy medicine? This is amazing. They have quantitative assessments looking at the spaces between the cells. There’s this lymphatic system. So as we work on the fascia and the lymph, we’re really working on that terrain. We’re working in that space that allows our body to have an electrical field. The fascia is the body’s electric. It’s where the energy, which is electrical energy, and the minerals are actually pumped and circulated throughout the whole body. The fascia is what holds our whole body together. So inside the fascia is the lymph. Then you had bones floating, and there were some organs that were all attached to the fascia. As we began to work with clients on their lymph and fascia, I started to see major shifts not only in their CRT, live blood, HRV, and all the other quantitative assessments but in their whole general vitalistic being. I saw these people start to shift in regards to, Wow, now that we’re due in their fascia and lymph, they’re actually doing the meditation because they feel the healing in their body when they do the meditation. 

Oh wow. They’re actually going to the yoga class, and they’re sitting outside on the ground, recharging their whole body, because they realize that is the most impactful thing they can do beyond just taking some green pharmacy, if you will. That’s what I call it. A lot of the supplements that people take, called orthomoleculars, it’s just entertaining your physical body. But really, what heals us is inside of us. How do we access that? How do we test that? This world of bioregulatory medicine was like, I don’t know. I felt like I was a witch who had the magic to show people, Look, this is how you heal. When I look back at where I was at 20 to 23, living a miserable life, living on painkillers and muscle relaxers, completely depressed, and having ovarian cysts at 30, the ovarian cysts burst ten years after that car accident. I managed my cycles with tetracycline from the time I was 16. I had acne and asthma, and now I’m about to turn 50. My biggest concern in life is that I’m so fertile that I’m afraid I’m going to get pregnant. I don’t want any more children. I love my child, but I am about to be 50 and don’t really want to start over again with my 65-year-old husband. I know that a side effect of health is fertility, and I know I’m healthier, stronger, and more flexible today than I’ve ever been in my life. That just makes you fertile. I know this is a menopause summit, and I know some of you are like, Why should you talk about fertility? 

Because I want you to understand that menopause is something you should be celebrating where you’re at. I know Dr. Stills, and I don’t want to rush it, but I can tell you that when I go through menopause, I’ll be like, I can stop worrying about getting pregnant. That’s going to be good. But outside of that, I’m going to be like, Finally, I’ve achieved this other level in my life where I can have wisdom and can enjoy my life on another level. Because it’s not just about the creation part of my life. It’s about the next stage of my life, where I get to dispense all that I’ve learned. But it shouldn’t be about hot flashes and feeling like crap. I mean, I know, Dr. Sharon, did you have any symptoms through menopause?

Sharon Stills, ND

No. 

Kelly Kennedy

Except for, like I said for years, your symptoms of Menstruation should be won. You’re bleeding; your symptoms of menopause should be won. You stopped it. That’s it. If you’re here today and you’re doing anything or feeling anything other than that, then we’re here to tell you that, more than likely, your toxic load is high and your drainage isn’t assured. We’re here to help you assure that drainage so your toxins can come out faster than they’re coming in, allowing you to change the terrain so that your body can heal and go into regeneration versus degeneration, because that’s it. The body only has two choices. I’m regenerating or I’m degenerating. We don’t arrive and go, Oh, I’m healthy. I mean, honestly, you can hear I’m a little congested. I’ve been a little cold for the last five days; four days is probably the longest I’ve been sick in 20 years, and I took two days off. Very unusual. I haven’t done that in 20 years.

Sharon Stills, ND

I’m glad you did that.

Kelly Kennedy

I mean, I haven’t taken off for sickness. I have taken off for vacations. But I know how to get better fast because of this medicine. That was one of the things Dr. Sharon and I were talking about before we hopped on. There are so many ways to optimize our body and to assist and facilitate the body, both physically, mentally, and emotionally, to allow it to go into the healing mode. We get to then watch the magic of the body heal, so we can live vibrant lives instead of waiting for something outside of us to fix us or something to happen that we can’t deal with. No matter what happens, I’m confident that I will be okay through all of it. Okay, that was a long-winded answer.

Sharon Stills, ND

Well, you’ve read up on about 17 topics that I’m like, Oh, we can have an interview on each of these. Let’s just cycle back because bioregulatory medicine is a big, big topic. It’s one of the things that’s very different about how I work with my patients who are going through menopause because I’m infusing it with bioregulatory principles, with bioregulatory testing, and with bioregulatory remedies. First, why don’t you just give a good definition of like, because some people listening are going, Well, I do functional medicine. So, what’s the difference, and what is bioregulatory medicine?

Kelly Kennedy

So I like analogies. So allopathic medicine, which is what we know in Western culture, is germ theory. That’s, oh, something outside of me is making me sick. So I’ve got to fix it by suppressing that symptom, taking it, or doing a surgery. Hey, listen, I’m not saying that if I get in a car accident again or something, God forbid, should happen, please take me to the emergency room. You’re not the acupuncturist. We’re great at trauma. It’s a chronic necessity that we’re not so great at because we’re not. We don’t have medical schools of healing. We have medical schools of medicine. So let’s not get frustrated at the medical doctors that are dispensing medicine and surgeries, because that’s what they learned. Dr. Sharon learned all sorts of other things, all sorts of other things beyond naturopathy; she learned through bioregulatory medicine, which is the sort of thing we’re going to talk about in a long way.

Allopathic medicine is the old model, if you will, of suppressive medicine. Then we’re like, Oh, but let’s get integrative, and let’s integrate some herbal formulas or some orthomoleculars in with your Lipitor. We’ll give you some red yeast rice as well. We’ll integrate them as well, or we’ll get more functional medicine, which is okay; we’ll look at your labs, and I’m not going to just look at the function. I’m going to optimize, and I’m going to make sure that you’re also looking. Are you doing anything lifestyle-wise? I’m going to also consider your lifestyle, which is great, but it’s still compartmentalizing. It’s still not vitalistically; it’s still looking at this as though it’s a machine: my heart is a pump, my eyes are a camera, and my lungs are a bag, versus this being one working unit that all has to work together. If somebody needs help, if my shoulder needs help, or if my hip needs help, then my hip might give it to me. So if I have a scar on my head, my body is going to compensate and adapt to give my body enough energy as much as it can with the condition that it’s in. This is the concept of adaptation, compensation, or regulation, and bioregulation means life is regulating, meaning we can account for what our body is up against both externally and internally and allow our body to let go of what it no longer needs and hold on to what it does.

So I look at it as a progression when you have allopathic, integrative, and functional, and then I look at my bioregulatory, which is the umbrella on top that goes, I might need function, I might need a surgery, I might need an herb, but if I’m not looking at the foundation of how I’m living, this is a vitalistic organism that’s working as one whole unit, and that needs three things: oxygen, water, and energy. Then I’m missing it. So I have created FLOWE: fascia, lymph, oxygen, water, and energy; flow with an E, as that’s really the therapy that we do in our office. It’s a body-centered therapy that allows the body to open the fascia, get lymph flow, and then dump the emotions. Yes, if you need some binders and some drainage remedies, you also need some orthomoleculars to boost and optimize along the way. Great. But in the long term, you’re going to live like Sharon and I do. I mean, I’m going to be 50 next year. Sharon, may you disclose your age, please?

Sharon Stills, ND

I’m Devon Nichols. I’m 55 this year.

Kelly Kennedy

I will tell you that her energy and her vitality and her willingness to get up and go is right up there with how young is your grandchild? Three?

Sharon Stills, ND

I have a little nine month old now.

Kelly Kennedy

Yes. How old is your older grandchild?

Sharon Stills, ND

Just three.

Kelly Kennedy

She runs around with her. I mean, Sharon is like the Mary Poppins grandmother. It’s phenomenal.  she’s climbing hills, and she’s doing all these things because she’s just like she did 20 years ago, which I know is no different because there’s really no difference in Sharon today than 20 years ago.

Sharon Stills, ND

No, actually, we get healthier because we get wiser, we see the bigger picture, we understand, and these things come in. So, to me, it’s just getting healthier and healthier. We have in your flow an E. I love those emotions as we grow and gain this wisdom and stop losing our blood to the earth and maintain it, so it makes us wiser, the wise crone in the native culture. We really realize, Oh yes, the emotions and letting go and processing and looking into generational trauma and what really, truly matters.

Kelly Kennedy

Absolutely. Then we live our lives that way. When we are standing at the ocean, we’ll talk to it and let the ions come up and hit our bodies as we’re grounding, recharging our bodies, getting all those ions, letting the water heal us, and talking to it. Or if you’re on a mountain, you’re receiving oxygen; that’s more healing because it’s at a higher altitude. It’s going to be pure, and it’s going to be cleaned by all the trees. But we’re connected to the earth, and you’re going to drink structured water, and you’re going to have your Weber light, Endolight. I just took mine off a minute ago. You’re going to have your Solari gems with you; you’re going to have your oils with you; and you’re going to support your body as it shifts. I mean, we’ve all had challenges throughout our lives. We’ve had losses throughout our lives. We’ve had different things that we’ve had to account for. As long as we’re allowing our bodies to express it, which is what I really focus on, we can get people to express what their bodies are holding on to, so we can. We’re not going to forget the memory. But you’re going to allow your body to express how you really feel so that you’re no longer holding on to the burden. We lost a very good friend of ours, Heidi Sullivan, in January of 23 or 20, a little over three years ago. I can cry every time I bring up her name, and I’m okay with that because that’s how I feel. I miss her, and I love her. I’m so happy that she’s no longer suffering as well. I’m so happy that she has brought so many of us together through the legacy of the work she has done. I can honor and express that. Now I don’t have to carry that burden of sadness all the time around me. Speaking of energy, what I didn’t do was plug in my computer. So give me one minute.

Sharon Stills, ND

Well, I’ll just talk to you all while she takes a commercial break. I mean, the truth is that ten out of ten human beings are going to die. We’re all eventually going to expire. It’s part of life. How do we dance with that? How do we understand that there’s still a relationship, even though it’s not physical anymore? How do we let go? It’s not just vaguely saying, It’s okay. It’s really being present with the emotions and letting them overtake you if need be so that they can move through you and not stay stuck and stagnant, and that’s why when we see stagnant lymph and fascial adhesions, there are these emotions that are the underlying cause going on there that have to be released so that the body can get back into flow.

Kelly Kennedy

That’s what I was just going to say. The lymph is where we let go; hold on. The fascia holds a lot of the traumas, but the lymph holds a lot of the information because water holds the information in the body, and the lymph is the water part of the body. The organs as well; from Chinese medicine, we know that they’re stored as neuropeptides in the organs as well. But the lymph is part of the circulatory system. Just like toxicants that should be circulated, but so many people’s lymph nodes are clogged. I really want to focus, as I’m sure you do, focus for them with menopause, on lymphatics because I am absolutely convinced I am waiting for science to back me up because I’m too busy clinically to prove it to myself. But I have seen it for 20 years. Clinically, I’m really convinced that the ovaries are part of the lymphatic system. Science, could you come and prove me right, please? Because, first of all, if you take a cross-section, Come on, it looks like a lymph node. If ever there was something that looked like a lymph node, it’s the ovaries. But having had 30 ovarian cysts burst and then working on my scar and never having another cyst burst in my life, that was number one. Wow. Then the second thing is that as soon as I started really figuring out the right way to work my lymph through my CRT, I saw that my life was still an issue, even though I had no symptoms at that point. When I did a CRT, my lymph was so jacked up and my ovaries were really hot, and I was like, Oh, I don’t want any more cysts. So I started to find all these ways to work my lymph and get my cycle regulated for the first time in my entire life. I mean, I had horrible cycles my whole life—too much, too heavy, too this. Then all of a sudden I was like, Wow, this is like every 26 days. It’s been three days, and it’s gone. What the hell is going on? I’ve never had this before. This is so weird. Thank you, bioregulatory medicine. But as I started working with clients more and more, whether they had amenorrhea or had been in menopause for three or four years, we’d start working on their lymph, and sure enough, they got a breakthrough bleeder. They might even get a whole period. Now, people and women in menopause might be like, What do you mean? I might get my period again. The side effect of health is fertility.

The healthier you get, I see it over and over again as we work your lymphatic system. I tell everybody, one is: Your cycle is going to change in the next three months,so just get ready. You’re not going to know when you’re ovulating, necessarily. So know that you’re more fertile because you’re getting healthier, and know that you’re not going to track it because it’s going to shift your cycle. Because I believe the body detoxifies not just through the blood. I mean, it does through blood. That was. There you go. My joke: There it was, the end and the beginning. But we breathe out more toxins than we do anything else. Then we poop them out. We sweat them out; we pee a lot, but I could say we also bleed them out—actually, any ejaculation, any way the body expresses anything. I’ve been blowing my nose for four days. It’s the way the body gets out toxins, right? So the blood is the same when women have cloudy, dark blood. That’s a sign of toxicity. That’s often what I find when menopausal women start to work their lymphatics—what they get is not a real cycle. It’s this old, cloudy, dark blood that has old toxicants coming out. So we want to help you move those lymphatics because that will allow you to shift not only the physical toxicants but also the emotional toxicants. Then, when we really let go of all the sh*t in our bodies, we can step into who we really are. Lymph isn’t just about letting go. It’s also about stepping into who we really are. Letting go of the filters that other people have put on us, that society has allowed us to put on ourselves, and allowing us to free ourselves of that and step into our being.

Sharon Stills, ND

Yes, I see that often too. Yes, just so we’re not saying you’re going to move your lymph and turn into a cycling woman again. But yes. Sometimes I have had a bleed or a breakthrough bleed; it is this old stagnant. So that is why I always tell my patients, That’s okay, that’s a good thing we want to release, because yes, when you are a menstruating woman, that is another form of detoxification, as Kelly was talking about.

So let’s talk about some of the practical things that you can share—some tips. How do you know your lymph is stagnant? Although we know because we run CRT, which Kelly has mentioned, which is contact regulation. We also run thermography, which you’ve probably heard of like a photo it takes of your breast. But this is a machine from Germany that’s measuring exact points. It’s measured through cutaneous neuroreflexes and organ function, and it’s the only thing, which is why we’ve got tests. It’s the only tool out there that is diagnostic and measures your lymphs. What do we see? Every patient that comes in

Kelly Kennedy

Not 90%, not 99.

Sharon Stills, ND

Has a jacked up lymph. So it is such a crucial part. So what are some signs the women listening they can look for? Then are there any things you can kind of show us to think about?

Kelly Kennedy

Absolutely. So here are some symptoms that you may have stagnant lymphs:  headache, fatigue, constipation, moodiness, skin rashes, or anything like that; anxieties—those are like the top six. Do you know anybody like that, ladies? So that’s a sign you have stagnant lymphs. What causes the lymphs to be stagnant? Number one, a sedentary lifestyle? No, actually, dehydration is number one. Number two is a sedentary lifestyle. So a lot of people do. Oh, but I drink all this water. Do you eat fruit? Do you eat vegetables? Because you get structured water in fruit and vegetables, you can structure your water. I know both Sharon and I are drinking structured water. I’m sure it’s the buzziest of all waters that both of us are drinking because we know how important it is to have pure, clean water so that it filters for us and takes out what it needs or leaves what it needs and takes out what we don’t need. So number one is hydration. So make sure your water is bioavailable. Make sure that your water is, first of all, purified. Secondly, structured. Thirdly, recharged and mineralized, and what am I missing? Pure, structured, and

Sharon Stills, ND

Not stored in plastic.

Kelly Kennedy

Yes, not stored in plastic. I mean, I’m literally using an old honey jar to drink water. I can’t find a glass bottle very easily. She has a mason jar. One of my favorite things. 

Sharon Stills, ND

Yes, exactly.

Kelly Kennedy

Old bottles work great. You don’t have to go buy anything. You have plenty of glass bottles at your house that you can reuse.

Sharon Stills, ND

I wait till, like, juice is on sale at Trader Joe’s. I just go buy it, and then I dump it out, and I rinse the bottle out. That’ll be my water bottle for a while.

Kelly Kennedy

Until it breaks and you get a new one. Yes. So number one is hydrate, and then to mineralize it, if you don’t have all the minerals, we all have sea salt. Take a little pinch of sea salt, put it in your water, and make it charged, bio available charged water. Because your body needs those ions to make it available to create mineral exchange and intracellular. Then we need to move. Our lymph doesn’t move unless we move. So the cardiovascular system is known to have a pump, but that’s a whole other story for another day. But let’s just assume that was true. Well, the lymph doesn’t have its own pump, and the lymph is actually one of the two end points for your line right here. So the lymph has between 600 and a thousand nodes throughout the whole body. Then there are vessels that connect the notes. So just think of it like exits and highways. Okay. So you have between 600 and a thousand exits and highways in the middle. Where are these exits? Well, they’re anywhere, we bet. So at our neck, we have about 20% of our lymph nodes, and about 50% in our guts. Then we have our elbows, our wrists, our knees, and our ankles.

A lot of people are familiar with this, particularly if you have kids. You’re like, Oh, my kid’s tonsils are swollen or there’s a lymph node, so let’s go take the tonsils out. Please don’t take your kids tonsils out. Tonsils are the gatekeepers of the lymphatic system, and we want to know. Let’s talk about the organs of the lymphs: tonsils and appendix. Oh, I thought we didn’t know what the appendix was for. Who didn’t know what the appendix was for? It’s a lymphatic system. It’s a lymphatic organ that stores probiotics. In case you didn’t know, it’s not an extra organ that God gave us that we can just easily take out. We have the thymus gland, which matures a lot of our white blood cells; the bone marrow, which matures a lot of our white blood cells; the spleen, that makes our white blood cells; which is our largest lymphatic organ; and in our small intestines, which has Peyer’s patches, which also make white blood cells. I’m sure the lymph system, though, has nothing to do with the immunity of our body. I’m sure of that, as the sarcastic New Yorker says. So when I look at the system like that, I go, Okay, we have these major organs, we have lymph nodes, and then we have vesicles. But if we don’t move, there’s nothing moving the lymph because it needs our movement. So putting our arms up and down like this will help open up our lymphatics. Doing bicycles with our legs, moving our legs, sitting on a chair all day, and doing this is not great for our lives, right? So we want to move. That’s number one: How the lymph drains is that when we move, it dumps into the cardiovascular system. 

Then this is where it ends. As I said, these are the last exits. Then those exits dump into the cardiovascular system. Then we breathe it out, poop it out, pee it out, and sweat it out through all of our eliminatory organs. But how does it get up here to start with, and how do we drain it? Well, anybody that’s ever been taught dry brushing, I would challenge you to go to my website and watch how I teach people to dry brush, because I don’t know who these people are that taught dry brushing or what physics class they went to. But the lymphs work on a pressure gradient. So you’ve got to relieve pressure. So then, the pressure behind it can move into an empty space. So I again come from upstate New York and have lived in the Philadelphia area for 20 years. So I think of exits and highways a lot. The way I look at it is this: if I have an exit and I have 50 cars lined up to get through the tollbooth, then I’ve got to open the tollbooth and let what car go first, the first car? Then the second car, then the third car, and then the fourth. Then for people that teach dry brush brushing, go. No, go to the 50th car down at your feet and start to push your life up. Let’s say that’s going to create a pile-up. So what I like to do is open up our lymphatics right here. How do we do it? The lymph is just below the surface of the skin. What we want to do is create a little bit of a pump. Just a pump. You can also do it with humming ready? Which creates a vibration and stimulates the lymphatics. Or you can do this.

Sharon Stills, ND

Which Kelly makes us do at every conference.

Kelly Kennedy

Since everybody’s been sitting in chairs too long. You’re just pumping out those notes now. The way I teach, I cross my arms. You take your two fingers, and you just gently pump like you’re going to see if an avocado is ripe. Right? You just want to touch it a little bit. You can just do that. You pump maybe five little pumps right above the clavicle in that little area. Then you’re going to go outside the tonsil area, and you’re going to pump that a little bit. This is going to start to drain the first two cars, so to speak. Then I’m going to come out here and I’m going to pump my apical nodes, and I have a PDF that we can share with your group so they can all know how to do this appropriately. There’s a video that’s free so that they can watch it because it’s important for people to know how to move their lymphatics. Then you can dry brush in the same order. You want to open up the ends, and then you go out to the 50th car and move it up because you’ve created a vacuum here. The other area is, of course, the gut, where 50% of our lymphatics are.

Im going to say this one because this is the area for menopausal women where you really want to work because you have your inguinal and your iliac. So first of all, the three most important points in the lymph are your termini. What are these called? Then there’s one in your belly area called the sternum. So if you take your pinky, put it in your bellybutton, lay your two fingers above it, just right there, and you just gently do it this way, Pump it a little bit; I’m not pushing hard. This isn’t a muscle massage. This is a little stimulation of the lymphatics. You’re just going to take a breath in first and then just pump about five times, and then you can get down into your iliac, which is above where I bend, and I can pump with the intention that it’s going to go up here. I’m going to explain that in a second, and then I can go down to my inguinal now, where I’m okay, and I’m going to start here and I’m going to pump. I’m going to pump. I’m going to pump. Then there’s a very important point for the uterus between, like, if this were a seam of my leg between my knee and my groin, about halfway, you can feel a lot of people quite sore right there, and you just pump that four or five times. That’s a great point. It’s a lymph node, but it’s a great point for your uterus.

By just pumping those nodes and then going back up and pumping in the cistern again, pumping this. I’ve stimulated lymph flow. How do I know? All of a sudden, I had to pee. I pooped more, sweated more, and slept better. I went into parasympathetic mode. Right now, I’m giving a lot of education, so I’m not really in parasympathetic mode. But what I would recommend before you do this movement is to do what Sharon does so well: is pause. Take a breath, get into parasympathetic mode first, and then work with your body. This is not a rush. We’re allowing our bodies 2 to 3 minutes. It’s all it should take. 2 to 3 times a day. If you want. Once a day, when you’re on a plane, you just pump in your nodes, create a lot of conversation on the plane, in case you’re wondering, and you’re allowing your body to drain, and when your body drains, there’s more space. When there’s more space, you feel calmer. When you’re calmer, your progesterone is your dominant hormone. Instead of estrogen, you’re going to feel a little spazzy, and you have a balance. Of course, it’s a balance. But allowing your body to get into the parasympathetic and draining the lymph will allow your body to be in the healing mode and to take that pause that allows us to allow the wisdom to come in; to allow the light to come in; and to allow the universe to give us the answers that are right here hanging out for us. How do we get them? We open up our fascia. The fascia is the frequency fabric that is really the antenna of the biofield all around us. We’re all organisms that have a biofield that connects to everybody else’s biofield. The more straight my antenna is, and the bigger my satellite dish is, the more information I get.

Sharon Stills, ND

I got put into parasympathetic just watching you. I got kind of connected. 

Kelly Kennedy

That kind of connectivity. 

Sharon Stills, ND

That is such an amazing gift to give to yourself. It’s free. It could be your morning moving meditation. You don’t have to sit on a cushion always. I love to just be in that and feeling it and feeling my lymphs and having the intention and seeing it open.  it’s a huge medicinal gift you can give yourself. I’m obsessed with my hashtag. Not all medicine comes in a pill bottle and.

Kelly Kennedy

Oh, that’s good.

Sharon Stills, ND

Even a vitamin bottle. This is medicine you have to open up because something and we’re just about to unfortunately wind down because our time is up. Otherwise this would be like a nine hour conversation. Hold on. We’re going to go get into our pjs and our cup of hot tea, we will be back.

Kelly Kennedy

We’ll like, talk about a TV show one day that we can have, just chat. I do want to mention about our pets.

Sharon Stills, ND

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Kelly Kennedy

One of the biggest areas that I see as congested for people is the armpit area. for many reasons—I think from wifi, from deodorants, from bras. But it’s more than that because I have a ten-year-old kid, and I watch his friends come into my house, and I’m like, Can I just look at your armpits? Every one of them has puffy snot pits, and it doesn’t matter their weight. It’s not about their weight. It’s about the fact that their lymph is so stagnant that it’s starting to push out. Right? It’s starting to get clogged. So a quick way to test is to look at your armpit, and if it’s a pit, if it goes concave, then your left armpit may not be that bad. But if it’s more like that, when you put your arm up, well, then that’s an arm puff. Here’s another area where people think, Oh, I have fatness there. No, you have lymphatic stagnancy. Another place people find it is actually in that groin area, particularly. They’re like, Oh, I really like puffy, right? They’re fluid-filled. That’s your lymphatic stagnancy; behind the knees is another area where a lot of people feel it, or at the ankles. These are all areas that are simple to address through movement and pumping. We need a lot more education about that. But here’s what I ask every one of you to do: Do it for a week and see how you feel. Let me know. Let Dr. Sharon know.

Because what we know is that life is changing. Without change, you’re not going to change. So when you get a response from doing something like that and being with yourself, first of all, look what you’re doing. You’re hugging yourself; you’re loving yourself. You’re taking a moment to be here and just consciously breathe and pump, giving the body an opportunity to slow down and pump its notes. Most people are fine as long as they do this. Oh, I was calmer. I lost a little bit of weight. Oh, I pooped a little bit easier. I had a client today who’s a medical doctor say to me, Oh, I noticed as I started doing all the lymph flow, and I’m using the vibe that I’m using on the kids, we’re pooping like it’s our job. It’s so good.

Sharon Stills, ND

It’s like pantheons.

Kelly Kennedy

Well, it’s kind of our job. Like, I poop often and get it out. But I see so many people say, Oh, the bowels, the bowels, the bowels are the first place to start. I couldn’t disagree more. It is the lymphatics. If you have a symptom, pump your lymph and see what happens. You have a histamine reaction. Pump your lymph. You have a cold. Pump your lymph. Whatever the symptom it is, because the body has built up toxicity and can’t let go of it. So assist it, facilitate it, and see that you do feel better, and then engage your body more and more and do that and teach other people to do it. Because there aren’t enough people who know about the lymphatic system and how to properly assist and facilitate it. I know, as does Sharon, that so much of what goes on for people. If they just drain their lymphs and open their fascia, a lot of it would go away.

Sharon Stills, ND

Yes. You talk about how a lot of women at this age are worried about their weight and the belly, and it’s like, Move the lymph, move the lymph, move the lymph. So that’s why it was so important for me to have you on. We have to finish up, but there are so many other pieces, and just back to something you said in the beginning about the space between the cells, and you just reminded me of it again because you said, Don’t start with the gut. Obviously, I couldn’t agree more. It’s like health begins and ends; it gets decided in the space where the cells simmer in their soup and that soup. That’s why this is so important—the extracellular matrix, where the lymph and the fascia are. It is crucial, in a very different way of thinking, for Kelly and me to go learn in Switzerland and Germany to really understand this, and what are you going to say?

Kelly Kennedy

It just made me think of her as Dr. Bruce Lipton’s work. If they don’t know Biology’s Beliefs. You don’t even have to read the whole book. But he’s got a great YouTube, where he summarizes his book in about 2 hours. Dr. Bruce Lipton discovered this in the 1970s. We might be OGs from the 90s telling people to drink water and do all the things, take care of their skin, and all that. But he’s the OG, who is still as excited today as he was in the seventies when he discovered it, as he was looking at it as a cell biologist. Wait, what? Signaling the cell. Wait, wait. Something is signaling the cell? Wait, where’s the signal coming from? From the space around the cells. So there’s a whole bunch of information there. I also want to mention that there are other lymph tools, and I just want to make ladies laugh, too, because I have not made everybody laugh yet. I mean, if this can free up your lymphs, don’t we think that it’s appropriate that it looks like this? Is it a vibration tool? We call it the Flow vibe. If you don’t want to pump your lymph, you can just hold it, and it’ll pump your lymph for you. You hold it for 5 seconds at a time, in every place. Also a great conversation piece. Anywhere you want to pull it out of your purse. I had a kid on a plane the other day who put it in their mouth for teething. It worked quite well, and I really love the vibration. But there are so many ways, and Sonic Sliders is another one. There are so many great ways to assist your body in its lymphatic system, and it doesn’t have to be that difficult. It just has to be done and frequently. 

Sharon Stills, ND

Yes, it’s just like brushing of the teeth. We do that twice a day. We got tired. Just imagine if we started teaching our younger generation like I teach my granddaughters. But, of course, we brush our teeth twice a day. Well, it should be. Of course, we move our lymphs twice a day. Like that’s where we are. Yes, that’s.

Kelly Kennedy

Where we want to change the filter.

Sharon Stills, ND

We don’t want to be the strange ones screaming about the lymph. We want it to be commonplace. So thank you. This is really powerful and important, and menopause is part of why. So here’s a little secret, but part of why. I mean, there are many reasons, but one of the reasons I really wanted to host the menopause and make menopause a focus was because I knew that a lot of times we as women are just going along and we’re busy and we’re taking care of everyone and working and we’re stressed and we don’t really think about ourselves. When menopause happens, often because we’re so out of balance, we have these horrible symptoms that we have to stop. We have to stop, and we have to think about ourselves. I thought, Well, this is a glorious reason for me to help patients and then remind them about all the other parts of their body that need to be paid attention to, including the lymphatic system.

So that’s kind of how I work because, as Kelly knows, my general practice includes a lot of oncology patients, autoimmune and rare illnesses, and all sorts of other things. Yes, it is a big women’s health practice and always has been. But that’s why I really chose that to focus on because I love you ladies. I love us women. We are a force to be reckoned with. We are moving into this powerful part of our lives. What Kelly just showed you how to do is like a radical act of self-care, self-love, and self-healing. That’s what menopause is about. It’s about reclaiming yourself. It’s about saying, You know what? I go first. That’s not selfish. That’s self-care. So, mwah. Thank you, thank you. Thank you for being here and educating, as you always do. What is that website? If women want to go look and more

Kelly Kennedy

So www.thetruewellnesscenter.com is our website, and we might have a podcast as well called The Beats, like Sharon does. I also have two Instagram accounts: True Wellness Global and Kelly Wellness Girl. So I’m all over YouTube just trying to get the word out about Flowe and helping people achieve their goals of living an abundant, prosperous, easy-flowe life that’s full of love.

Sharon Stills, ND

Well, go find her. Before you FLOWE, to the next interview, I want you to take a moment and really love yourself and practice what she just showed you, because that is one of the best gifts you’ll give to yourself today and every day. 

Kelly Kennedy

Mwah. Love you.

Sharon Stills, ND

Love you too.