Wireless Exposure And Your Health

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Welcome everyone to the Healing From Lyme and Chronic Illness Summit. I’m Dr. Christine Schaffner and today my guest is Peter Sullivan, and we’re gonna be talking about wireless exposure in your health. Welcome Peter, it’s really an honor to interview you.

Peter Sullivan

Oh, it’s great to see you again, yeah.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Yeah, our past class many years ago, and I just so admired your passion and dedication to educating really the public about this really important topic and not only through education, but through your research efforts and really trying to make a difference in not only sure, how to protect ourselves, but also bring a new way of how we interact with this technology, so I’ve really admired, always, your drive to get this out there and get this information out there. And so as we begin our interview, I would love for people to just hear a little bit about your story. Like, how did you get turned onto this topic and become so passionate?

Peter Sullivan

I wasn’t even… I would have never guessed, if you’d have told me, I would have never guessed this was… If you would have said wireless is unhealthy, I would have said, 20 years ago, I would’ve said, well, you’re just on grounded and you’re not science-based. I was in tech. I was in Silicon Valley in tech. I was focused on personal technology, graduate school, especially, and I was hanging out with people who, like the iPhone designer, Tony Fadell, and I were like hanging out in the mid ’90s, he was a friend of my sisters and we were talking about personal tech. He was more of a hardware guy, I was more on the software side. He was at General Magic and then went on to Apple. And I went on to do personal technology at Excite and Netflix and others, so I did kind of personalize software, he did the hardware side. 

And so I was all passionate about technology. And I had every tool. So I had the PalmPilot, I had the phones, I had all that stuff early. I was on the internet in 1990, before there was worldwide web and everything. So, but what happened is I realized it just wasn’t, I just started feeling effects. I remember sitting down in front of a computer, I relocated my computer at one point, and I had a EMF screen on it. I remember my dad saying, as a kid, don’t sit too close to the TV. And I had like, basically a giant 20 inch monitor in front of me. So I found like an electric field shield at Fry’s Electronics in Silicon Valley and I plugged it in. And when I moved offices, I forgot to plug it in. And I sat down and I was like, oh, I could feel the thing and I was like, wow. So basically, my brain was saying, hey, this is all safe and this is good. 

And my body, which was quite sensitive, I would, I’m kind of like one of these highly sensitive folks or little sensory integration, whatever, but, so I could just feel it. And so there was this conflict between what my body’s telling me and what my brain is telling me. And then later on, my health started declining and I had toxic metal stuff going on, I had kids with some developmental stuff going on. We were looking, in the early 2000s, we were looking at toxic metals. And that’s we’re focusing, we have a lot of good luck with that, but as we know, it gets more complex. So I remember detoxing toxic metals in the port, and at some point I remember putting a cell phone next to my head and going like, oh, this doesn’t feel good. And I started getting headaches and that sort of thing. 

And so it took me a long time to kind of realize, even though these things are happening, your brain is kind of overriding and saying, oh, somebody, they’ve done the research or whatever. Well, years later, let’s see, this has maybe 10, maybe 2010 or so, I find a paper on autism and heavy metals and other things and I started talking to the author of the paper. He was talking about mold and electrical stuff. And I said, we had all these exposures. And when I removed them, the kids got better and so forth. And I said, how did you learn about this because I used to do cell phone safety testing for the wireless industry in the mid-90s and we knew about all of this stuff. I’m like, what? This is kind of crazy. 

So we ended up, this was George Carlo and he’s featured in a great article in The Nation about, it was like Big Wireless whatever, I’ll check the link for you. So if you search with The Nation and cell phones and George Carlo, there is a big story about him in the backstory and how they kind of just tried to, if he couldn’t prove that there was safety, so basically there was a big booha in the mid-90s. I won’t get into that, I’ll just get into this, the big booha the mid-90s, I guess, the brain cancer with cell phones. And they put a ton of money, tens of millions of dollars into research, and all the research kept coming up as, we’ve got harm, that it wasn’t safe, and they kind of tried to market their way around it, they started going into merchant of doubt tactics basically, which is really sad. 

But so, yeah, so I started focusing on, I made some money in Silicon Valley and I started really focusing on my health and my kids’ health, because that was kind of a key factor. And all that worked out great. Everyone’s doing well and everyone’s healthy, but it took me a while to figure out that it wasn’t just one thing. I was a hardware troubleshooter before I was a software designer and I’d always say, something’s broke, one thing. But I think the real tough lesson for me was learning that the human body is so different and there’s so much resilience, by the time you get some chronic condition like cancer or developmental delay like autism or Alzheimer’s, and the other ends of the spectrum, you’ve really had more cancer, you’ve had multiple systems fail and that functional medicine approach where you really start and just check everything is really the way to do it. ‘

And that’s happened too in troubleshooting, if you’ve replaced a board or two, and it doesn’t work, you systematically replace everything until you are like, okay, now it works, right? So that was kind of the lesson. And I, your previous mentor, Dr. Bayer talked a lot about, with autism, that it wasn’t just toxic metals or whatever, but he also saw like Lyme and EMF. And I started to think of this more as like a gang tackle. And it took a long time for my brain to kind of get beyond that. But I think it’s important for people to know, like most people don’t even know that EMF is problematic at all, and they don’t know what the symptoms are. So I think we have to talk about like what are the key symptoms that you’d see? Like, what did I experience? And the number one thing I had was insomnia. So I did not sleep well. So I was going to bed. I either I couldn’t get to sleep, or I would go to sleep and then wake up at three or something and then couldn’t go back to sleep and my body was all lumped up. 

And so a lot of that was not from my nighttime exposure, but a lot of it was from my daytime exposure and my autonomic nervous system just getting yanked up. So, yeah, I know it’s crazy. So the insomnia thing, I think a lot of people are suffering from that. And I think, ear ringing is a big one, that’s another common symptom, but clearly headaches were a factor. People will have anxiety. Some people have depression. Some people are fatigued. Matter of fact, the symptoms are so vast that like Dr. Magda Havas has worked in this field for decades, said, she just considers this accelerated aging. I mean, it includes DNA damage, oxidative stress, inflammation. So if you have any long-term condition that has got inflammation or oxidative stress or something like DNA damage or whatever, there is an underlying condition, you should look at this and see what you can do to avoid your exposures.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Yeah, thank you for walking us through your story. And you’re like at the front row, right, of really the explosion or before the explosion of EMF being just everywhere, right? And I appreciate you already sharing the symptoms and what to look for. And I guess, I mean, the people who are tuning in probably have already heard about EMF, but we sometimes, I think, make assumptions of the basic knowledge of this topic, because it’s amorphous to some people, and if you don’t have a physics background, you can maybe misuse some language and all of that. And I want people to be really educated and have the right words to discuss this topic, especially as we’re trying to create change. And so I guess, I’d love for you to share in a few, even just in this conversation, with EMF, what are we talking about? What are the biggest stresses that you feel in modern life? And then, just, maybe let’s just start there, ’cause again, I think, I don’t wanna make the assumption that everyone is on the same page.

Peter Sullivan

No, you’re exactly right there. So when I was in Silicon valley, I was a software designer. So my job was to make hard technical things easy for people. Some of it is just reducing, what’s the minimum amount of information you take to kind of understand the situation. So sometimes I don’t even use, some of the terminology is too weird for people and they don’t even, even people who have physics degrees and engineering degrees, they don’t practically know how to deal with this stuff. I’ve funding a thing at Stanford and I have to go in and tell them what to do. And it’s not, it’s embarrassing. But it’s also, it’s just, actually, it’s a lot like the difference between electrical engineer and a electrician, there’s the practical knowledge and then there’s the theoretical stuff. And so here’s all you really need to know. Matter of fact, I even just don’t even, right now, I don’t use EMF so much. 

I’ll just say like, I’ll just say wireless, because everyone knows what wireless is. And that doesn’t sound too weird to people. So everyone knows what wireless is. And it’s, I guess the main thing to know is, and there’s more than just wireless. There are magnetic fields, electric fields, and even dirty electricity and all these frequencies and all these detailed things. But if you just start with wireless, it’s a good starting point. And the key thing to know is people will frequently say, well, I’m in it, what do, I can’t, I’m in this, I feel like this WiFi is everywhere, why should I do everything? They feel like they can’t do anything. Well, it turns out that the exposure would come off your phone, and my phone’s on airplane mode, but normally it would come off your phone in a circle and the way it comes off, the energy just gets less dense and less dense as it spreads out. 

And so what happens is if you have your phone, let’s say, six inches from your head and you move it back and other six inches, when you double the distance, you reduce the exposure by 75%, it drops off really rapidly. But in fact, the cell phone manufacturers tell you, you can’t even put it next to your head. Everyone will put it next to your head like this. It’s legally, you haven’t listened to what’s actually there. If you put it next to your body, you exceed the FCC guidelines, which we just found out this summer are not based on any science. So the FCC lost a big lawsuit there. So the big thing to know is, it’s all about the distance. And so even though yes, wireless is everywhere. There’s a lot of variation and you can position yourself in places and move things away from you in ways that really dramatically reduce your exposure. So you start with things that are near your body, near or on your body, especially in the sleep environment, because we really need restful sleep for DNA damage cleaning up, repairing and resting. 

So the big one lately is people have got a lot of the fitness trackers, right? So that either the Apple watch or the fitness trackers and so forth. So most of those, like the Apple watch can go into airplane mode, right? The Garmin trackers can go to into airplane mode. The bummer is the Fitbits cannot, the Fitbits are straight up. So I would recommend not, well, I would recommend not having a Fitbit, unfortunately. I would recommend calling Fitbit or texting them and saying that you wanna be able to turn the Bluetooth off. So we’ll get into that more. So you need to reduce your exposures that are close to your body, which also means then as you’re walking around during the day, should you put a cell phone next to your head? No, you can put an airplane mode or you can get an air tube headset and put it in, not a wireless headset but an air tube one. 

Also, like I would not, I have not carried a cell phone on in my pocket intentionally since about 2010, because there are a lot of studies, especially at the Cleveland Clinic, which is very reputable place, on sperm damage. And so there’s sperm damage and testosterone damage in men. So that’s pretty serious, especially if you’re trying to have kids or whatever. What else? So we’re just trying to get things away. So at night, so in the sleep environment, you’ve got to watch out for, if you’ve got kids, you really don’t want a baby monitor. 

So these baby monitors, I think if you look at autism, if we discover that EMF is a big part of autism, and I think with some studies showing now, it’s gonna be a nice chunk, it’s going to be a nice sized significant chunk from the data that we’re starting to get right now, you really don’t wanna be using a baby monitor, or if you’re using it, you want it as far away from the crib as possible. Again, keep getting a distance as far away as possible. And there are some lower EMF baby monitors and so forth, but if you can just not use one or use your technology, that would be ideal. And your baby will be less fussy when he or she is not radiated constantly at night. 

So the baby monitor’s one, if you still have a landline and it’s a cordless landline, a deck line, the main base station, the one that usually has a voicemail or whatever, that’s like a cell tower in your house, it’s constantly radiating. So if you can replace that with a regular phone or minimally turn off at night. So there’s a doctor, Dr. Tori Elta from California, came up with this really simple free protocol. and I think it’s kind of brilliant, scales really easily. She says, turn off your baby monitor, and just start this at night. You don’t have to inconvenient yourself at all. Just at night, and this is totally free, free and also socially, you’re not gonna embarrass yourself socially here, you’re not gonna be weird, at night, turn off your baby monitor, cordless phone base station, your wifi and if you want one more extra thing, you could turn the circuit breaker off for the bedroom. But if you turn off those wireless devices first, it should help your sleep. 

It should help your sleep, your kids’ sleep. And that’s just been great. Now, if you’re still having problems during the day, you might be getting such a large exposure during the day that your autonomic nervous system is kind of in fight or flight mode and you’re just stuck in that mode. And we know that’s kind of a key factor to healing this. So I tell people that they need to be in a safe environment. So it needs to be no wireless, no mold, all the VOCs and all that crazy for breeze and all those little things. So try to get in the safest environment you can be in, then your body needs to feel safe. So you need to kind of dial out of fight or flight mode. And a lot of us are so stressed out, and if you’re not sleeping well, the REM sleep helps clear trauma. So if traumas are piling up faster than you can clear them, things don’t go well.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

I’m glad you brought that point up. I’ve been diving into sleep this past year, we’ve developed some products and I just really got into it. And that was a light bulb for me. I mean, we know, right, The glymphatic system works, sleep is so important, but I don’t think people know enough about how REM is a reset for trauma and that the noradrenaline that we experience through the day, I read that during REM sleep, that’s the only time the brain is basically free from noradrenaline. I think Matthew Walker was someone like that–

Peter Sullivan

It’s a great book, it’s a great book. Yeah, a friend of mine has him on his board consulting with the smart people.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Awesome, awesome.

Peter Sullivan

That’s really cool. I love that book. And it just, it totally played with everything that you guys had been working on, the glymphatic system and all the drainage and everything. So I think that is just, it is totally key. Like you really need to fix sleep. And so there’s that, but I think it’s important people to know that, these wireless devices trigger the autonomic nervous system, not just at the system level, but they can also trigger all the gut flora and the flora all of your body to release mycotoxins and go into cell danger mode. And then it’s like a bottoms up fight or flight mode situation. And there’s more of them than us. And so they kind of, I mean, I’ve had different anxiety like things, and I’m like, oh, I just left the wifi on or I forgot whatever, I turn it off and it’s gone. I mean, a lot of people literally, they think that they’re anxious and I’m like, no, you’re in an environment that is causing noise and anxiety and stress. 

And as soon as you turn these things off, they go away. One of the best things we did, we noticed that no one wanted to do this. Like we did a documentary called “Generation Zapped” and that was great and we tried to promote the sciences. But I think one of the best things we did was we learned that people, if they could have a felt experience, so they would come out to my place in California that I had done as a model healthy home, it has some shielded rooms. And we had even like Morgan Spurlock with CNN at the time come out and we had a couple of reporters from Mother Jones and stuff. And if you could get them to feel it, they got it. There was no arguing. Then they would start asking you questions. 

So we ended up coming up with a tent. We did this like, what do you call it? Like a farmer’s market canopy. And we covered it with shielding material. And you’d go in the tent, you’d turn your phone off, your Fitbits, everything off, and you go inside the tent and people will walk in and they sit down, and I had hoped that maybe we’d have 50% of people would feel something. And in theory, they said like sensitive people are like two to 3% or really 20%, whatever, so I thought we’d have, 20%, who knows what. It turned out, it’s almost the opposite. We probably have five to 15% of people who don’t feel something. The majority of people walk in and feel things. And the most common thing they say is I feel calmer. And sometimes they feel it right away. And sometimes people sit down and it takes like a minute or two, and then they just go, oh, I feel calmer. 

Or sometimes they didn’t even know, they come in, they go, what’s the big deal here? And I said, well, you feel any different? They say, why, I feel calmer. I’m like, well, yeah, that’s the thing. So I have some videos showing that. I mean, that was really persuasive. And now it’s hard with COVID to do that. I’ve got a video on YouTube that shows that, you search for Peter Sullivan tent experience or whatever, I think that’s up there.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

What materials did you use for that, Peter? You gave us some really great, like a really great background knowledge, and then a lot of things that we can do in our daily life right in and day in and day out because, yeah, I mean how this works, right? We reduce our exposure with distance and feel empowered in that way, but some people wanna take it to the next level, right? And as we’re recording this, there’s more and more information around shielding materials, shielding technologies, and then there’s this whole other kind of harmonizing technology that is trying to make EMF less stressful to the body or more biocompatible, they’re using those types of language. So maybe just your experience on materials for shielding and maybe some initial impressions or thoughts about harmonizers, if you feel that’s a good solution.

Peter Sullivan

Yeah, so the shielding, I think what’s been great is, so yeah, we worked with a company called Less EMF that’s based in, I think it was in Massachusetts. There’s another group called Safe Living Technologies that’s in Canada, that’s fantastic as well. And I think, but one of the great breakthroughs from last year was Dr. Mercola wrote a book on the topic called, I think, “EMF*D”. And he came up with some brilliant insights about the DNA damage being equivalent and using NAD to help the body and so forth. But one of the products he came up with, which I thought was really remarkable, was a shielding tent for travel. Now, there had been these bed canopies before, there’d been $1,000, a couple hundred dollars, and I’ve tried to bring them traveling, and I put it up on the ceiling, it would fall on me in the middle of the night, nightmare, you know? And at some point it got oxidized and didn’t even work that well or whatever. 

So he came up with a really nice design, kind of like a single person tent. It’s out four or $500, I can’t remember the exact pricing, but if you search for Mercola EMF tent, It is good enough for 5G. Matter of fact, I went to a, I was down in a wedding in Charlottesville and turns out we were right in the middle of all this 5G, but we had our tents with us, slept well through it. So I’m, and even, and once in a while, it’s like, even if I’m at home and I’m not sleeping well, I’ll pop the tent out and get a perfectly shielded environment set up. So that’s been a major breakthrough. So the shielding thing is great. And there are shielding clothing as well for people who are really sensitive. 

I think the other technology that’s great, I’ve loved them last year or so, I’ve found is FONZ, F-O-N-Z. It’s underwear and undershirts, and even they’ve got like full body stuff and hats that are all like reasonably looking, they don’t look nerdy or whatever. They’re well shielded and they also don’t have the shielding material directly contacting your skin. Right, so that’s really nice for sensitive people. And I’ve had real good luck going like straight up into New York city with the stuff on or driving close to coast of the country in a Tesla with that on and it’s been helpful. So that’s the shielding side of it. So we said, distance is a freeway to do it, which means you can move the device or you can also move you.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

You are part of the equation, right?

Peter Sullivan

It’s your choice. And then if you can’t move either of them, you can kind of play with shielding materials. Like if you get a smart meter on your wall and your bedroom’s here and you can’t move, you can put shielding materials there. If this is too much for you to, just feel like, I don’t know how this works or whatever, you can talk to a building biologist or another EMF expert. There’s folks from Geovital and building biologists. And if you search EMF expert in your area, you can get some folks to help you with that. So that’s one way, so it’s the distance shielding, and then the other question you’re talking about is kind of harmonizing. So you’ve talked about, there are different strategies for harmonizing and people come up, you’ve seen all these little things that go on your phone and whatever. So I played with a lot of them. I think, you guys have played with a lot of these things too. I think one of your former folks from your office has got a company, is it, I’m forgetting her name, but there’s a group called YouMatrix in Florida.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Yeah, yeah, Mindy Beck, yeah. Yeah, I’ve been reconnecting with her and yeah, I’ve been really listening and interested in her technology.

Peter Sullivan

Yeah, so I think that’s, so there’s some different technologies. So what’s tricky is if I talk about some of the harmonizing stuff in a super mainstream audience, it’s hard for my credibility because people would just attack it, they don’t understand what’s going on and whatever, but if you’re an electro-sensitive person, you feel it, and you put the thing on the phone and you feel a dramatic shift, so what I generally do is I, it’s hard to measure a lot of these technologies unless you’re using like ART to some of these things or different strategies. But if you’re electro-sensitive, you feel it right away. 

And I find that, and different people are sensitive different things. So what I do is I have a network of really electrically sensitive people. I try it myself. And if it works for me, I try it with other folks who are even more sensitive and I get feedback and I sometimes say to people, oh my God, this is the greatest. And somebody is like, this does nothing. And so I’m trying to triangulate that and, so that’s what I do. So I think the YouMatrix, let’s see, I’m gonna go look at what’s on my phone right now.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Yeah, I have it too, I have it.

Peter Sullivan

That’s the story. So you’ve got the YouMatrix, I’ve got YouMatrix, especially the 5G works really great, I feel that. And the general concept behind that is about coherence, it’s helping make sure that the signal has some coherence in it so that it doesn’t undermine your inner body communication. So this is what I got, this is called the Gabriel technology. This is one that the Environmental Working Group, one of the folks researchers there, which is a very fairly mainstream group, had found a study showing that this technology helped with EEG. And so I played with it and it’s like, yeah, it does help. It seems, I didn’t do EEG measurements on my own, but it’s worth trying, and I think that’s interesting. 

There’s another one that came up and it’s called Omnia. It’s a little sticker. And I think what’s interesting is they, it doesn’t look like it’s much, but it’s got some nano-tech kind of in there, and I think it does really well with the ART testing. So the guy and I’m forgetting his name, who does Omnia, had an ART tester or doing muscle testing, basically, testing the person’s biofield with this in it. And he said that it went into like a strong healing yang state. I don’t know, I’ve got something–

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

I mean it’s, yeah, a state of strength for, it creates a stronger field.

Peter Sullivan

Exactly, so, and I have to admit that it is the technology that kind of worked for me. And so I play around with some of these things and I’m open to it, but I’m careful about what audiences I talked to and with and so forth ’cause I, I have to, sometimes working with people at UC Berkeley, at Harvard, and BC. So people aren’t open to that, but I think, your audience members are a little bit more open to that, so that’s it. Other one that I’ll mentioned that is actually one of my favorites is BioGeometry. So that’s basically, if you know how the golden ratio works, that’s kind of the old school, it’s basically old technology that’s been kind of rediscovered and tried to make into more of a science. And that’s nice because it’s very measurable and there’s different planes and they’ve had some really good results with people that are very sensitive with cell towers and if you search for The Miracle of Hemberg, The Miracle of Hemberg and bio geometry, there’s some really sensitive people kind of reacting to that too. 

Yeah, so I think those are kind of my top go-tos. I’m trying to think of what other, oh, and I’ve also played with some technology that’s a little bit, it’s not so much subtle energy, but it’s a guy who’s an audio guy. And is Alan Maher, M-A-H-E-R, and he has used different materials, he does noise reduction by using the resonance materials and different quantum effects. He’s been working for, I don’t know how many years, 30, 40 years with audio and improving grounding and so forth. So he has some interesting technology for making your electrical systems cleaner and so forth, but we’ve also started applying those to people. So he has like a little, I think I have one in my pocket now, and they’re bigger versions, but this is a little block and it’s filled with all this material that basically increases my ground capacity. 

Most people know about earthing and grounding, that’s been around for awhile, that they can go outside with bare feet or have a grounding sheet, but what do you do when you’re walking through New York City or you’re in a car, you don’t have any access to direct ground. You’re insulated with rubber or whatever. Well, the way you do it is you have carbon and different materials that kind of absorb these frequencies. So this basically increases your capacity or your surface area and makes your fuse, it just makes me feel like, when I go into a hot environment that I have a little bit more of a fuse, that I don’t fry right away. So I can go into New York City or I can go into some of these places with stuff in my pocket or, he has insoles for shoes and a couple of other technologies. And you just, again, combined, especially with the FONZ shirts and everything, it works. It’s giving me a little more capacity. It’s super helpful for kids. 

I knew a lot of people wanting to know about kids in school because you can’t control that situation. So you send your kids to school and they come back, ah, all spazzed out if they’re sensitive. So number one, if you know your kid’s sensitive, your teacher’s open to changing, if you can be as far from the WiFi router as possible, because we talked about distance, kind of be in the corner somewhere if it’s right in the middle. And then some of this technology can kind of help. So some of Alan’s stuff can help, like the shoes, the shoe inserts or the pocket grounds can be helpful. And the BioGeometry stuff as well.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Yeah, yeah, those are all really great tips. And this is an ever evolving field, right, of how to support people and it’s just so cool to see the technologies come out and be more accessible to more people because it’s a dance. I think we can do what we can within our home environment, within our work environment, but life is happening, right? And we can’t escape this unless we live in the middle of nowhere and–

Peter Sullivan

Oh, I got you, yeah, no, we want, I mean, the goal is not to run from this and we don’t want, and a lot of people do that. And it’s kind of a problem because you, what happens is your world gets smaller and smaller and you just keep trying to create a more pristine environment as your body’s becoming weaker and weaker. That’s not the way, like you do wanna create a more refined environment, but not, you don’t wanna stress yourself out. You don’t wanna go into fight or flight mode or over, when you are in fight or flight mode, you’re very precise about things and you’re using more energy. You have to be very relaxed, move in a direction that makes you safer and safer, but also in a direction that makes your body stronger too. 

This is a little bit more of your realm. Well, lets see, one thing I’ll mention, one more device which is the Geovital pendant, sorry, the Geofield pendant. So Geofield is a company that does EMF depolarization or EMF technology bio photon stuff for plants. They create surfaces to get better plant, and they have a pendant, it’s on a different website, but I’ll find you the link, but they have a little pendant. This has been pretty excellent for people who are electrically sensitive. So there’s that. And then the other one that’s come up for strengthening the body is the Praesidium, have you heard about that yet?

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Yeah, Marco’s a friend, Dr. Marco Ruggiero and so no, he’s always coming up with really amazing formulas. So I don’t have a lot of clinical experience yet, but I’m starting to hear more and more. So have you been using that?

Peter Sullivan

I’ve been using it for the last six months and so a couple of sensitive people I know, and the feedback is thumbs up, it works. My only negative is it’s a little pricey, it’s expensive, but given what it’s given me back, I’m very happy with it. And that what you’re buying is like a three month supply or, so it’s not… So I’ve been really happy with it. It’s helped me not only be calm, it’s just worked really well for me.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

He shared with me that formula and then he formulated a product that I carry that we call Somnium. And it’s a topical GABA with conjoined sulfate that you use at night to hide with sleep. So it’s helping you get into, not only just falling asleep, but it helps increase deep and REM sleep. So it’s a little bit more indirect, but building that resilience for EMF sensitivity.

Peter Sullivan

I saw that posting a couple of weeks ago and it’s on my infinite list of things to play with.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

And we can send you some, it will fun.

Peter Sullivan

That’s fine, thank you. Good, yeah, I mean, there’s so many good techniques, but yeah, for strengthen yourself, I mean, I think Joe Mercola brought up NAD. I’m trying to think of what, definitely, the Praesidium is definitely a number one go-to magnesium and a lot of people would be using magnesium three and eight, especially as a calcium channel blocker. I don’t know, the deep mechanism in this and the body is that the calcium channels are, they allow calcium ions to get into cells and their general role in the body, it took me a while to figure this out, is they kind of excite things up. If the calcium gets inside, it kind of is like a message to say, hey, something important is going on. 

And don’t miss a thing. It puts the body into like precise mode and it kind of revs up the energy and everything. It’s like highlight, when you’re highlighting a book, you just highlight one thing. Well, EMFs can actually unintentionally open up that calcium channel, so then it’s like highlighting every page in the book. And you just look at that and you can get into a place where you have so much interest from your calcium, that you get excited toxicity, that you get overexcited, you can’t sleep. And this is a net effective things, like glyphosate and some toxins can work through, another receptor, the NMDA receptors or channels, and also get calcium inside. 

And there are other things like the endoplasmic reticulum that suck the calcium in and I think things like caffeine can release intercellular calcium, right? And so there’s all these combinations, so you can get overexcited from multiple factors, from things like glyphosate or what’s the, MSG, and EMF, and actual life itself if it’s a little bit wild. So it’s all about kind of calming things down for people and getting rid of all of these exposures so that you can kind of get your nervous system a little bit more regulated. So magnesium is a big part of that. What else? Anything that helps with like energy and mitochondrial function, I’ve done really well with CoQ10, like MitoQ has really helped me.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Yeah, I like that one.

Peter Sullivan

Some of the supplements like Mitochondrial Rescue has been fantastic. Some of the Russian technology, technology from the Russian space program and pilot programs. I’m trying to think, I think it’s just, honestly, almost anything that helps with anti-aging, you’re gonna be a little, anything that can help boost and strengthen your body, I think it’s gonna be really helpful. And there’s so many things you can do.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Yeah, yeah, no, you listed a number of great tools and there’s also the melatonin world, we love melatonin and GABA, essential fatty acids, I love like on helping membrane stability.

Peter Sullivan

Exactly, that Patricia Kane’s program. Yes, I personally did that and got a lot of help that, because again, it’s not just about the calcium channel, but when the membrane goes into cell danger mode, it oxidizes, and that’s just like frying away. That’s like burning your, if you think of it like a tire or whatever, it’s like burning your tire after demyelinating yourself or whatever. So yeah, I had a whole thing of like, I’ve had, anything that helps with circulation as well, because of the blood clumping factors. So all that, the next stuff that you guys do, nitric oxide, I’ve actually had really good luck with cryotherapy as well.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Nice, yeah. 

Peter Sullivan

Or with saunas on the other end, right? So detox. So there’s a whole range of things, and I think the area that I really wanna work more in though is the autonomic nervous system stuff which you guys have been working on.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Yeah, yeah, no, I think, and that’s a great point just before we move on about circulation, right? Because we know that, Beverly Rubik’s on the summit as well, and she educated me about, and she did all that dark field and looking at blood clamping and just 4G exposure, I believe it was. And just modern life makes our blood kind of thicker to begin with and throw in all the things that are related to the pandemic. All of us need to just really be focused, I think, on good circulation, good blood flow, ’cause we’re only as healthy as our blood can flow throughout our system and deliver nutrients and oxygen and then remove waste. 

And the circulatory system is also really interconnected with the lymphatic system, so that’s a big one, and I think that’s why like grounding and all of these wonderful things help to also improve circulation. I use a lot of enzymes now too. And I think indirectly, enzymes probably could help with the EMF sensitivity. So like thrombokinase, serrapeptase, that kind of stuff.

Peter Sullivan

The one that I’ve done the last year or so has really helped too with the circulations, like flushing niacin, like niacin flushes, so it not only helps you, if you’re getting stressed out, sometimes it can be over methylation and the niacin helps calm that down. But then it also just gets that circulation and micro circulation going and it just opens everything up and it can be a little bit uncomfortable, but oh my God, it really calms things down.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Yeah, no thanks for sharing that, that’s a really good point. Have you heard of the glycocalyx, I’m a student of this, but they’re finding that these microscopic, through just being able to visualize it with neuro technology now that in the lining of the vessels, they’re these finger-like projections that look like kind of hairs that are part of propelling the blood forward. And some of the mechanisms, again, I’m new to this, but part of why niacin works is it kind of really helps to move and kind of keep those, the glycocalyx, basically, from getting inflamed or clearing out, like flushing toxicity out of these projections, so niacin and has so many great properties and people, Ron Hubbard who invented Scientology, which is another story, but he did do a lot of work on detox. He like get people to niacin and then put them in the sauna, and then that–

Peter Sullivan

Yeah, so I’ve been doing the same thing. I’ve been doing niacin, I’d go in the sauna and they’re just all combining a lot of things like that, and anything that actually, the other one that’s helped too is LiBO2 therapy, oxygen therapy at the same time. So I’ve had some situations where, I went to Cabo beach like last summer and the room was right near a cell tower. And I didn’t realize it. I was just kinda, I just was like, what’s going on? And I couldn’t get to my words as fast. I wasn’t feeling sharp. And I went back and did LiBO2 at the Vasper site in Mountain View, love those guys. And it just opened things up again for me. And it just kind of got the circulation going and opened things up. 

And of course, they’ve had good luck with football players and everybody trying to bring brains back online, that sort of stuff. And that’s the weird thing that we’re finding with Havana syndrome, if anyone’s crude about that, that is like extreme electro sensitivity. And they’re finding that people, they’ve seeing like physical brain damage, almost like something physically hit the body, almost like the ballplayers. And so a lot of the technology that’s being used with football players, LiBO2 and other techniques, we’re kind of bringing that stuff back, I think, would be really useful.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Yeah, yeah. And I also like Photobiomodulation, like red light red light or near infrared light just for, kind of mitigating all the mechanisms that we just talked about.

Peter Sullivan

We have that. Yeah, and it helps with the dark field, it helps with the blood pumping, but also I think the, because like especially the 40 Hertz stuff, helps with the glial-lymphatic.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Yeah.

Peter Sullivan

Exactly, and the pumping. So I’ve had great luck. There’s a company called Vielight that has one of those. And I think there’s like gamma light as well that one of my friends has. And so that’s a 40 Hertz red light that you kind of put out in the room, but then the Vielight goes on your head and kind of pulses in and I find that my brain starts going a little too fast, I’m not gonna be sleeping or whatever, I put that on and it’s like a serious braking mechanism.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Nice, yeah.

Peter Sullivan

So I feel like I’m like a, I was originally a navy pilot early in my career. And I always wanted, I love the concept of testing things for people, but what I’ve really ended up being is like a test pilot for other people. And I have crashed this body multiple times, physically and mentally, and just like in the military, when somebody dies, you crash a plane, it’s like, okay, now what did we learn from that, and how do we fix it and whatever, and I wanna make sure that all my experiences for the last 20 years or so, and everyone else’s experiences are clearly documented and that everything that we’ve learned to get out of these situations. So I broke earlier, I had these exposures earlier, I broke earlier, but I’ve also had a chance to get out of it and flail around and fix myself earlier too. So just got to keep sharing what we’ve learned.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Yeah, yeah, definitely, before this becomes more acknowledged, more accepted, more mainstream information that we appreciate. People like yourself, Peter, just yeah, using your own experience for helping others, essentially. And as we wrap up, I’d love to share, like if you feel comfortable, anything you feel comfortable sharing that you’re, we just talked about a lot of what we’re up against, solutions oriented, but I know that you’re really dedicated to continue to kind of further us into other ways of relating–

Peter Sullivan

The way we go and yeah, so like, yeah, not just, how do we, so step one is everyone needs to know what the health effects are, what the symptoms are and they need to know what to do, that’s step one. But what we really need is a long-term roadmap for safe technology. And I think some of the people say we want no technology and so forth, that’s kind of a Luddite thing, that’s not really gonna work. You can try it, a lot of people tried it, it’s not working. So what we really need to do is kind of have a win-win scenario where, it sounds cheesy. This is more like automobile safety. 

So in the ’50s, we had no seatbelts. And so this is the way technology are, the technology is having a race out the gates, it’s very competitive and safety is the last thing that everyone cares about. So we need to make safety a market requirement for people. And so right now, 5G has had no safety, it’s just being released with no safety testing. So that’s completely against the Nuremberg Code, you can’t test things on people without their consent. I mean, if it was a drug, you’d have more control, even if it was like COVID stuff, you’d have at least some consent. 

Sometimes you don’t even know that it’s being tested on you because it just turns on and you have no idea that a cell tower so-and-so away from you just turned on and that’s affecting your life. So there’s no disclosure, awareness, testing, and there’s no, even, I say, this is like, I was telling Martha Herbert at Harvard, I was like, I was saying, God it’s like the Nazis. She goes, no, it’s worse. I said, how is this worse than the Nazi? She goes, at least the Nazis were collecting data and trying to learn something, like they’ve learned about the nervous system, it’s just straight up moneymaking, and it’s just a straight up, and I’m like, oh my God, that is worse. 

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

I know, right?

Peter Sullivan

That was a great quote.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Totally.

Peter Sullivan

We’re in some wild times. So I think, but I think just to be positive, we are working towards safer technology. We have things like, you can wire your computer, you can use connection cable like even from my phone, I can connect it with an ethernet cable and have a great connection to the phone. I can make phone calls through Google Voice and other things and get data, update the phone, everything, getting most of the functionality on this. My laptop that we’re talking to you on is on ethernet, so you can use ethernet or fiber optic. It’s faster, it’s more reliable and it uses less energy. But yeah, going forward, we are working on requirements for safe technology. Like what are the physical requirements. We need to make sure we have no DNA damage, sperm damage, we need to make sure we have no inflammation or any sort of inflammatory issues or any, honestly, it should have no effect at all. 

It shouldn’t affect sleep, but there’s so many effects. It’s really hard to narrow it down. Heart heart rate variability is a bit of a roll up and a lot of people have been using that. That might be one of the techniques, but again, I spent a whole plane trip from one coast to the other, writing down things that were broken that were requirements and it’s extensive. So we need to come up with a testing mechanism that is pretty complete, but also simple and tractable and easy that we can just quickly test. And I think we’re starting to come up with some ideas that would work for industry and would work for us. That would give us the sense of like, okay, this is much safer than this. Keep the water thing that’s going on now. This is like a fifth grade science project that I, it’s just kinda like that, does that make me feel safe, I don’t know. 

So there’s that. And so we’re working towards that and then working on the technology to make sure that it doesn’t impact our biology, especially getting our biology into fight or flight mode. And so again, it’s more harmonizing, not by adding stuff, but really more at the system level with the wave forms and how do we weight these things more natural so that our bodies, so that the cell membranes, the cell membranes, the calcium channels are not interfered with at that basic level. So it’s been working on–

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Yeah, no, and I appreciate that you’re thinking through all of this and inspiring people to research and really be a change-maker in the industry. And there’s an opportunity, right? There’s an opportunity as we know, this technology has connected us all. There’s a lot of positives to it, but we can’t sustain the way that it’s going. And we need to look at new solutions, especially for our children and for our future children, and with the rise of infertility and all these things, we just need to look at this from a different angle. And I think that everything you shared is really inspiring, and I really appreciate all your work to help bring this to fruition. And as we wrap Peter, I’d love for people to, if people wanted to connect with you or your work or just where people can find out all of the wonderful things that you’re doing.

Peter Sullivan

I think start with my website, clearlightventures.com, and we have a couple different sections there on like EMF and autism and some other resources for people, there’s a email link called [email protected], if you need to connect with me directly. We’re looking for a lot of other funders in this area, we started to group together with funding collaboratives to be a little bit more strategic and powerful. And so if we have people who funders, we’d love to hear from them. What else, I have some YouTube videos. If you search for Peter Sullivan on YouTube, I’ve got some stuff there. 

We have, yeah, I think I’ve got resources there. I’ve got like pointers to meet us. I like the, what else? Oh we have, if you’ve got a kid on the autism spectrum, we have a Facebook group called Autism and EMF. So that’s helpful. That’s about it. I haven’t been super back and forth, I haven’t been super consumer basing for a while during COVID and we’ll get back into a little bit, it’s the balance between doing the strategic stuff and then kind of day to day answering things for people, we’ll get there.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Yeah, well, we can’t thank you enough for your time today and being on the summit and all the amazing impactful work you’re doing. So thank you, Peter, for being here.

Peter Sullivan

Thank you, and thanks for everything you do as well. And it’s good to see you again.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

It’s very good to see you as well.