Your Guide To ApoE4 & Alzheimer’s Risk

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

Thank you.

Heather Sandison, ND

You move to Utah, and you have this kind of new motto after everything that you learned over decades in Portland. You kind of had this opportunity for rebirth and to kind of reconfigure things so that you could help people on a different level. Just dive into it. Tell us what’s going on at Energy 4 Life Centers.

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

Thank you. It is the culmination of my life’s work. I got into brain regeneration after the loss of my late wife, Soraya. She had a very rare neurodegenerative condition called Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, which is a mouthful. That’s Mad Cow Syndrome. people. That catapulted me into this specialty. I always knew the medical system was broken. Being in practice up to that point, 17 years. But going through it with my wife’s life on the line, it was tragic. As a physician, I wasn’t even able to navigate the system, and I knew how to speak the language. Unfortunately, I uncover through that process. It didn’t help Soraya one iota. I don’t regret the process at all. I have found love on the planet with this magical being named Soraya. We blended our families —her three kids and my two. We even had a maid named Alice. We blended medical practices. She was a certified nurse midwife and nurse practitioner. I’m a naturopathic Chinese medicine provider. We bought a house. In that buying of the house, this story became about this orange fiesta where we misplaced a plate. But that became the harbinger of an eerie Groundhog Day in Soraya’s memory, eroding rapidly. It was rapidly progressing dementia in a 42- to 43-year-old woman. I went looking for the usual suspects. Was it lyme, mold, or heavy metal toxicity? Was it perimenopause? All of these things are in the differential when we look at Alzheimer’s, dementia, and mild cognitive impairment. But in someone so young it quickly became it isn’t any of these. Dr. Craigan, so I went looking for solutions, talking to world experts in brain regeneration and memory loss. Some ominous differentials came in there, and I always knew Soraya was one in a million. Unfortunately, the medical community agreed with me, and she has this very rare degenerative disorder on the differential. I went looking for solutions to that. navigating the grief and the loss and all of that. It ripped me open as a human being and, oddly enough, re-instated my faith in unity consciousness. I share this story because it is the genesis of what we’re doing today here at the Energy 4 Life Centers. One that love is the answer. It was an amazing time that I had with Soraya. The loss was profound. For a little while, I became a grief ambassador. We don’t deal with grief well in culture, but the uncovering of what I call my fancy protocol for brain regeneration and the gifts that it is giving and my purpose and passion reignited. I didn’t want my suffering to be for naught. The therapies that I found didn’t help her at all. But what they are doing is sharing them with as many people as I can. I appreciate the opportunity to share here with the listeners and viewers of the summit and I’m also here to provide some hope because we’re seeing things that should not reverse reverse.

Heather Sandison, ND

We’ve been told so many times for so many years that Alzheimer’s is not reversible and that there’s nothing you can do about it to suggest otherwise. I remember learning in naturopathic school that to suggest that you could do something about Alzheimer’s would be to give false hope and to be dishonest. yet we’re watching it happen. Is it truly possible? Have you seen this as well? Is it truly possible to reverse the effects of neurodegenerative diseases?

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

It truly is. Now, I am not claiming that I am doing that. It is the innate intelligence doing it when stacked properly with enough weight on the other side of the scale, we are seeing it, and I’m excited to share these stories. The whole concept of Energy 4 Life centers on, well, number one: who doesn’t want more life energy? But two, it’s a bio-energetic approach. Not only are we dealing with integrative, functional naturopathic Chinese medicine, but we’re putting the bio-energetic; we’re bringing a quantum understanding of reality into the centers. When you look at that, what the heck does that mean? When you look at quantum physics versus Newtonian physics, we all grew up with Newtonian physics. Point A: there is time in between. We’re stacking that up. When you look at the validity of just a system of physics, Newtonian physics, I think it is provable up to about 92%. Quantum physics is provable up to a consistency of 96%. There’s more evidence to support that reality. Now, I stand for the idea that we’re going to utilize both time and space, and we’re going to use that quantum understanding of the universe.

Heather Sandison, ND

I want to make it a little bit tangible, like, What does this mean? Somebody walks into an energy center. What is the intervention, or what is it that they’re experiencing? Like, take us through it.

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

We start with the first three words. It’s detected, then it’s correct, and then it’s protected. In the detection, we’re doing all of the things that you would do going to a functional, integrative physician. We’re doing blood work; we’re doing functional stool analysis, heavy metal testing, hormone testing, and gut microbiome testing. Maybe we’re testing for mold. Maybe we’re testing for Lyme. It depends on where the patient leads us. In addition to that, though, we’re doing a voice scan. This is a bioenergetic reading of the body. We use the vocal cords as a hologram for the whole day. I always grew up saying, I grew up in medical school saying the microcosm is in the macrocosm. The macrocosm is in the microcosm. or you are in the universe. The universe is in you, or you are the universe. The universe is you. That was a quaint saying in these ancient Chinese textbooks. But to experience that and to know the kind of innate laws of the universe with the golden ratio. There’s all of this mathematics, that is, it’s incredible just how bodies are laid out in proportion and to each other. Like, it’s not a coincidence. I don’t think so. We use the voice; we use bioimpedance measurement. Parts of the body are looking at conductivity with the skin, which is technology in impedance in the tissues for folks that are in the office as well. We’re utilizing bioenergetic scanning measurements in addition to all of the functional anatomical-physiologic biochemical readings that we’re more used to as well.

Heather Sandison, ND

Got it. So through this, you’re detecting some sort of information from the bioimpedance, from the skin, and the voice. Then does that impact how you treat someone?

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

It does. It gives an amazing read. You get about 11 pages of tabs for different bio-energetic assays. Now, it doesn’t mean it’s an energetic read. We’re utilizing biochemistry and physiology in addition to bringing so much deeper conversation and starting us on the right path. It’s based on the Chinese medicine system. Peter Frazier and Harry Massey were the inventors of this technology, and it will be. It’s based on Chinese medicine. Then they did some energetic testing to tie it together, and it’s eerily accurate with a pulse diagnosis. I’ve been studying Chinese pulse diagnosis for 26 years, and I’ve been sitting at some great feet, measuring pulses, and the voice scan comes up with the same imbalances that I have trained my fingertips to. I don’t like to admit that because that would have saved me some time. I’m glad I have the skill, but it’s also nice to be able to corroborate it in reality. so it comes up with foundational stuff to do lifestyle-wise. It will also be for programmed information pseudo-calls, so we can add those types of remedies to the treatment regimen as well.

Heather Sandison, ND

I heard you talking about love and Chinese medicine. I’m like, are these supplements? Is it a hug? Is it acupuncture? What exactly does it tell people to get more of or less of?

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

It can. It has some bio-energetic components around your hero’s journey. It maps that out very well. It also looks at emotional status and state, like, there are positive and negative emotions, and I try not to create polarity with them. They’re just kind of energetic packets that are being expressed by us. However, there are some themes that we see for folks around unresolved trauma with neurodegeneration and Alzheimer’s in particular. It’s looking at levels of stress, it’s looking at emotional status, it’s looking at what’s in the field or the frequency around a being, so this physical body where particle matter forms, but it’s looking at the waves around the body that are creating structure or dysfunction, so you can give information to remember have the innate intelligence remember wholeness and pull it kind of pull it back to that.

Heather Sandison, ND

So many people are supporting someone with Alzheimer’s, caregivers, and care partners, many of whom are present at this summit. Their experience of the trauma of having a partner potentially goes to being dependent, having a parent become more like a child, and having those intense conversations are those days when someone is struggling and having them say things that they never would have said earlier in life to someone they hadn’t. That, in and of itself, can feel very traumatic. I’m curious, do you support that when you see someone with a neurodegenerative disease, are you often seeing the care partner as well?

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

Your care for the caretaker is very important because, without them, the ship goes down. We do have programs for the caregivers as well. Oftentimes, we find it’s like, “Look, my ship is full. I had to just deal with my loved one. I’m going to come back to me.” But we do encourage folks, like at the center here. We do these assessments, and we can do them around the world. Ultimately, though, we’re wanting people to come here because the therapies and my fancy approach are what I call brain regeneration. I haven’t figured out how to deliver the substances through that green dot yet into the living room. We’re looking to do that. But bringing in and layering the therapeutics through that bio-energetic flagship resonance, and I’ll use these words on purpose because, people, you don’t talk about it that way. But the results, I think, speak for themselves. We get the foundational underpinnings figured out. We invite somebody out of what I call my camp. They’re camped out here at the center. This is the first of eight centers. We have one in Connecticut, one in California, and one in Florida. That’ll make four; we’re going to do that in 2024. Then we also have some programming for recharging centers where it’s less provider-dependent and more you can go in and charge your body batteries. to prevent a lot of this stuff from happening as well. That’s exciting and energetic.  We’re getting great feedback from folks.

Heather Sandison, ND

Can you tell a story about someone who’s done well at your clinic?

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

I’m just getting there. I had a patient recently. David was in, and we did an EEG of his brain, so we did an electroencephalogram. His alpha wavelength was very low. We’re looking at that alpha range. It should be between eight and 12, and he was below eight. We do brain frequency training. It’s TMS Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation. But at one-fifth of the dose, it’s called brain frequency. It’s an overlay that goes on that machine. It’s a chair, and we call it the hammer of Thor. He did about 40 training sessions there. Then he went through,

Heather Sandison, ND

I had to go back to the hammer of Thor. Yes, I think we need to know about that.

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

It’s a magnet that you put over the locations of the brain that emits a field that will bring up the waveform and create more coherency in the electrical activity of the brain. He had a very disorganized electrical signal in his brain.

Heather Sandison, ND

Is it like neurofeedback?

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

It’s an electrical stim. It’s transcranial magnetic stimulation. It emits a field of electricity that then helps the brain respond to that. It kind of feeds information in. It is a type of neurofeedback, but we’re not feeding back to the system; we’re feeding into it. Then we also did a brain regeneration program, which is the biggest lever that I have. There are two: a sound healing and frequency, and a laser-activated and guided very small embryonic stem cell procedure. We went through that camp, and we can talk about the particulars. But as many people get this diagnosis, it’s like, here’s your discharge paper, go get your affairs in order, and good luck. Maybe there is Aricept that is not making a massive difference long-term. He was depressed, overwhelmed, and in shock  from that diagnosis. His wife was also very retracted going through the process. They got a puppy. He’s in charge of them. I thought this was not a good scenario. We have a lot of needs happening in this household. He’s on top of it. All him. He is. There’s no accident in the house. He’s back engaged in his purpose and passions. He’s back out eating dinner with friends, socially rising. He’s got his life back.

Heather Sandison, ND

The diagnosis.

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

He had an Alzheimer’s diagnosis.

Heather Sandison, ND

Then it lets them. Let’s double-click on a couple of the pieces that he did. He came in, and he went through your process in terms of doing all the foundational lab work, understanding what was going on with his gut, toxins and nutrients, and all that. Then he did some additional pieces that included, you said, embryonic stem cells.

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

It varies.

Heather Sandison, ND

About.

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

That. V, as in Victor, are very small embryonic-like stem cells. They’re not embryonic stem cells. They come from the body. These are the new kids on the block. They were discovered 25 years ago by Dr. Ratajczak at the University of Kentucky. There is still some controversy, as scientists like to study. There’s a need for more research. However, I will tell you, that clinical evidence is in their work, and they work very well. I love them because they’re coming from the person. They’re autologous, and we pull their blood. We spend their blood, and we get the plasma in the plasma. Are these dormant V cells that we then activate with the laser? That’s a patented process by Dr. Todd over cadence. He owns the patent, and I’m part of his medical advisory board, kind of in charge of the neurodegeneration neuroregeneration branch, because of the results that we’re getting here with mild cognitive impairment, dementia, Alzheimer’s, and Parkinson’s disease. We’re seeing all of these responses. Another quick one that I have is a 65-year-old retired pharmacist, Chuck. He came in not able to do one plus one math. He progressed into stage two Alzheimer’s during the pandemic, as a lot of patients did with isolation, separation, etc. That was not a great result for folks with neurodegenerative and progressive progression.

Heather Sandison, ND

Social isolation is a well-known risk factor and a modifiable risk factor when it comes to cognitive decline and social isolation. So many people struggled massively.

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

He came in not able to do one plus one math 30 minutes after the procedure with the laser-activated and guided V cells; he’s rattling off multiplication factors.

Heather Sandison, ND

Well

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

One month later, he came in, and his wife, Kathy, said, Well, Chuck has a sense of smell back, like, What are you talking about? Kathy said, Well,  dogs died during the pandemic, and I didn’t wash the cars. But Chuck hadn’t been able to smell for 15 years, so he didn’t care. Then one day he gets in there, and he’s like, Hey, it smells like a dirty dog in here. She sheepishly said, “‘s got a sense of smell back. He got his life back. He was back, playing with his grandkids. His sense of humor and wit were back at the dinner table. It was awesome to see that.

Heather Sandison, ND

That’s why the privilege of doing this work is when you see someone engage more fully in life and just get back to having someone say, I have my husband back, I have my wife back, I have my mom back, and my dad back. It’s just so heartwarming. It’s, of course, the reason I get out of bed in the morning and do this work. It’s so fun to hear that there are other ways to do it. I think this is a stem cell conversation. You’re on the medical advisory board; you’re involved with this. Would you mind going into the details and breaking down the different types of stem cells? You said you’re using umbilical like there is also umbilical. You also mentioned that you’re using Autologous. Sometimes, when something comes up, I have so many questions about it. We can break this down, but sometimes it comes. Is it older people who have neurodegenerative diseases?  This is Alzheimer’s. One of the biggest risk factors, which is not modifiable, is how old you are. You’re your chronological age. What we worry about is that stem cells harvested and used by someone older might not be as high-quality as a baby’s. That’s part of going to an umbilical A, and they’re not from the fetus or a baby, but from the bullock cord. then there are also legal things that we run into in the U.S. where, if I understand it, the statute is that you cannot take cells out of the body and have them out for more than 24 hours and then put them in. The act of growing the stem cells makes it illegal to put them back into the body. and I don’t know if it is enough to be dangerous, so correct me.

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

But that was a great start. Dr. Heather, there are different varieties. There’s from your body, so you can get them from your fat; you can get them from your bones. That’s the part where you’re saying, Well, there is some concern for as you’re older. We don’t want to use your older cells because they’re not working. That’s why your body’s not able to repair itself, so those are fat drives, bone marrow drives, and stem cells. There are then, from out of the body, mesenchymal stem cells from placenta tissue that some people will call Wharton’s jelly. Perry umbilical-derived stem cells are menses mesenchymal stem cells. Those were in vogue and more legal in the US up until a couple of years ago. The FDA has put out some stipulations out there. They’re back in favor in the United States, but again, they’re there from outside of the body. They’re from healthy moms who were screened. Now there are some concerns since the pandemic, etc. What is in the tissue? You want to know your source there. I used to use those, but then there are V cells, and these are like, I call them, the new kids on the block. They come from your body. You’re saying. Dr. Greg, you just said that if I were older, maybe they’d not be good. They’re dormant when they go dormant when we’re born. when we light them up with a laser. Not for one minute, not for six minutes, but for three minutes. That’s the proprietary, patented process. We get the highest yield at 3 minutes, and we turn these once-dormant cells back on. When you look at their telomere length and their methylated DNA, it’s as if it’s a newborn cell. These have been in your body just waiting to be activated by the light, to be put back into your body, and to heal. They’re pluripotent, so they can turn into any cell line. We also emit frequencies around the body with the skin and palms, depending on what we’re working on there. But with this being the Alzheimer’s Summit, we will talk about nerves and nerve regeneration. As we’re actively eating the cells in front of the light, we are emitting a field around the nerve. then we also put those devices around the body as well. 

Heather Sandison, ND

But here he is because my clinical experience has been mostly with the umbilical cells, and that’s what we’ve had access to, which is what most patients have access to. Cost becomes an issue, but then people can go to places like Panama, Colombia, or Mexico and get these. I think that’s what you can’t get in the U.S. 

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

A lot of those places are expanding the cells. There is this assumption that more is better, but cells do weird things when they are expanded outside of the body. so more is not necessarily better. I think it’s the American adage that more is better, but that doesn’t play out in medicine at all. It is rather tricky to expand cells outside of the body, and when going to other countries, you just want to know your source. There have been Fed patients who have been down to Mexico with some questionable products put into their bodies. Once they’re in, you can’t take them out. I think cost is a concern for a lot of these things. But also, I would argue that having Alzheimer’s is very costly; not having your brain is the ultimate cost. So while there isn’t any guarantee in anything in medicine, we have about a 95% success rate with regards to improving quality of life, and so some people have no evidence of disease. However, 95% of people are reporting back in questionnaires to improve their quality of life.

Heather Sandison, ND

That’s fascinating, exciting, and hopeful. We have not seen the same thing with the umbilical cells. What we see is that it’s very hit-or-miss. Even though it’s still expensive and people are getting cells, some people don’t get any benefit. It’s just me.

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

I’m wondering when you saw that, were they delivering them intranasal?

Heather Sandison, ND

Intravenously?

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

That’s the issue because, when getting through the blood-brain barrier and the lungs with those mesenchymal umbilical cord products, the cells are too large. They get swiped in the lungs and aren’t able to pass the blood-brain barrier. When I was doing the umbilical products, I was doing an intranasal procedure through a forming process, and the research showed it was in the cerebrospinal fluid within 10 minutes. My own, when I went to learn that because I was learning it to use with Soraya, it was like, How do we get these cells into the brain? I remember my first patient, Marc; who has Parkinson’s disease. He said, Look, Doc, have you had it done on you? I said no. He said, You go get it done, and if it doesn’t kill you, you can do it on me. I was like, good deal. I had hip pain for a decade, and I did this intranasal procedure with mesenchymal stem cells from the umbilical cord. This was many years ago, but I had done everything for my hip. I had done injection-based therapy, physical medicine, massage, yoga, all of those things. Nothing got rid of the hip pain except for this. I had an intranasal procedure, and within 24 hours, my hip pain was gone. It has not returned to my hands. I remember my manager at the time, Bruno, was like Doc, are you? 

Because I was going like this with my hands. I was like, I have no inflammation in my hands at this moment. I still don’t. But it was remarkable. I noticed the difference in 24 hours, so I like this delivery route. We do deliver the V cells that way as well. I have a table that goes trend Ellenberg. The head is below the feet. We have sound bulls surrounding the person as we’re doing the intranasal, and most of them go IV But they’re small enough that they go through the blood-brain barrier. one, I could just do it all live. But I like this route of administration for cell-to-cell communication. I had the pleasure of sitting down with Anthony Atala. He’s a Wake Forest researcher. Doc, he’s growing from skin scrapings, full organs, the heart, kidneys, and lungs like amazing. 45 days in the lab at Wake Forest. He says he’s about 3 to 5 years away from FDA approval for that. However, when I asked him, I said, All Anthony, I think these are working on celll-tocell communication. He said, I think you’re, but I can’t go that route because I need a black-and-white component if I’m going to get FDA approval for growing organs in the lab from a person. I said, at least, that my thinking was proper. What the research is saying is that it is on cell-cellular signaling and communication. Mscs could have been named mesenchymal signaling cells instead of mesenchymal cells because they are about communication in the body.

Heather Sandison, ND

In that vein, what about exosomes? Is there this kind of idea of something like vesicles? I think of them almost like a package you’re getting in the mail. It’s the delivery of a message. The cells. They’re in their envelope over there in these vesicles. But it’s not a cell itself but it delivers a signal. You’re kind of talking about the cells themselves delivering a signal. But there’s also that extraneous kind of stuff in the plasma that also delivers signals. do you post that out? Do you use exosomes? How does that work?

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

We do. The EXOSOMES, the way I describe those, are out of some cells. It’s what is excreted out of the potently anti-inflammatory cell; there are anti-inflammatory cytokines, growth factors, and signaling units in there. But what they don’t have is the pluripotent ability to become any cell line. they have a little weaker signal response. They are amazing. If there’s a lot of inflammation in the body, I have to say that people don’t qualify for the camp if they have uncontrolled sugars or hemoglobin levels over seven. Right. Because you’re and I’m sure you’re interviewing lots of folks on that with regards to the brain regeneration and brain health of Alzheimer’s with diabetes of the brain. But we are watching that in the screening measures. The other preceding thing is heavy metals. They get stored in fat, and we could affectionately call each other fat heads right now, with the yolks storing a lot of those metals there. It’s like those are big holes in the bottom of the bucket for people. But the exosomes, to get back to that,  can’t; they’re a good booster. If we’re not getting results at the five-month mark or later, sometimes we’ll invite folks back in for some of those boosters. But the laser is also very unique in that it is a filtered laser. It has much deeper penetration into the body.

Heather Sandison, ND

There’s two, two thought processes. I want to go down both of them. But first, I want to say that it’s validating to hear you say that we use the stem cells and the exosomes and that kind of thing after we’ve taken care of, as Dr. Bredesen says, these 36 holes in the roof. You don’t want to come in hot with stem cells if you’ve still got heavy metals if you’ve still got more toxicity, if you’ve still got your infections. If you are in that fight and defend mode, if you are being attacked by toxins or infections and defending against toxins and infections, you don’t need to be building your roads and schools of the brain. Right. You don’t need to be in that regenerative mode. You might be splitting your resources, which is too much to be effective. What I heard you say was validating about the approach. It sounds like we’re all on the same page there. If you’re new to this, start with those foundations. Start with the foundations of things like diet, exercise, sleep, and stress management. You can do the medicine—the functional medicine of looking at toxins, infections, nutrients, the gut, and all of those pieces. Then we get to this exciting, fancy new stuff. The other place I wanted to go was to hear everything about the laser. How does it work? What kind of laser? What light? how much time? Tell me everything.

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

The laser is the piece of the patented puzzle. it is 743 nanometers, but just using a 743 solar won’t get the results that we’re getting because it is on this filtration and modulation of the laser beam. It’s lasers that are phase conjugated, and this creates a waveform that comes together. Where it comes together, it’s called a song-modulated laser. straight hand, oval cadence, node-generating laser. When it goes through this filter, it goes from light to sound. hence the modulated laser. It’s kind of similar to what Shelly Jordan is doing at UCLA with ultrasound-guided exosomes. This is a laser-guided B cell procedure, so the red light is healing, and what we’ve discovered in the lab is stem cells. When you put them in, you light them up and put them back in. They’re attracted to higher concentrations of light. They discovered this as a mishap in the lab. They were doing some stem cell research in an aqueous solution, and they beamed the light through there. They shut it down, went home for dinner, and came back the next day. At the point where that laser was, the cells aggregated to the point where you could see them with the naked eye, and they were floating in the fluid, which kind of is a little bit wild because you consider fluid dynamics. that, so we’re extrapolating that and triangulating into areas of the brain, painting the brain, the thyroid, the thymus, the adrenal ovaries, and the testes to where we want the cells to be attracted.

Heather Sandison, ND

Interesting. Many listeners are going to be somewhat familiar with red light therapy. We talked to a lot of people about that. We talk about using the red light. I’m in the mid-600 range, mid-800 range, and then even around 1070. Sometimes people talk about there being data. Of course, Michael Hamlin, out of Harvard, had published extensively on this. There’s a bunch of research out of Russia and Eastern Europe. Not as many people use it in the U.S., and that’s kind of associated with biohacking. But we use it at Miramar. We use it for cognitive function. There’s this mechanism that I’m most familiar with that’s been proposed: it increases mitochondrial efficiency, essentially by creating ATP. You’re through the cytochrome c oxygenase enzyme; you’re kind of up-regulating or making that more efficient as the light interacts with mitochondria. So this, you’re like, this is not that this, with those we can use red light, we can use LSD does not have to be a laser anymore. But this is even though it’s in that red spectrum; you’re saying 730.

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

743.

Heather Sandison, ND

Seven-three is right in between the mid-608-100 range, but it’s being delivered for a very different purpose. Is it always with the cells, or do you sometimes use the laser on its own for healing?

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

We could use the laser on its own as well. We want to use the laser as much as possible because it is very potent. Because of its penetration,  when you’re just doing the red light, we also have the Weber helmet, the V-light, and things like that, which are great adjuncts. People do that at home after the camp and do great research on them as well. Utilizing the laser, which we’re using two to four times a week on the same person while they’re here, it’s about a 20-minute session.

Heather Sandison, ND

with and without cells, and so you’re shining the light on the cells that activate them. Then you deliver the cells, and then you use the laser again—same light, same frequency, same deal—and then you’re using it again on the body, like whatever you want to target as a way to. I’m almost imagining what it’s like. It’s like an air traffic controller. Over here. Cells over here to the brain.

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

Meaning the light. 

Heather Sandison, ND

Got it. That is fascinating. I am so excited to catch up with you and, like, learn all of this because this is on the cutting edge. This is some exciting stuff. It sounds like you’re connecting and collaborating with some super smart people who are pushing this forward in novel ways. and then also just hearing these very hopeful stories of how to add this as kind of that next level of getting people to recover from their neurodegenerative diseases.

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

 It is. Go ahead.

Heather Sandison, ND

No, no, I’m just curious, like, What’s next for you? Like, where do you go from here?

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

  It is creating more of these centers. The need exceeds what we can deliver in one center. where we’re creating some masterminds for physicians to learn to share our information, protocols, processes, and evaluations. Being at it for 23 years and then five years ago with what I went through, it’s put a fire under me of like, look, we need to make this need disrupted now. It needs to be disrupted 20 years ago. To be able to leave the door open, I’m with you. You mentioned it earlier, and I wanted to bring it back up because,  even in naturopathic school, there wasn’t a lot of hope for neurology. When I got into this, I only got into it. After all, I needed to write because I was like, well, there’s not much you can do once the brain is once you have that damage in the brain. But to see people have no evidence of disease, I have a like, I just received some chart notes here because I wanted to see, patients are coming out, then they go home, and then their primary care doctor or their neurologist says, I think I might have misdiagnosed you because you don’t have any evidence of that disease anymore. I was like, No, you were not misdiagnosed. Their framework will not allow you to get better from there. There’s no way for you to get better if they’re looking at your working with providers, and it’s either slow or fast degradation. You need to find this summit, get to the summit, and listen to everybody’s talk on here. Because we are seeing we have people that have no evidence of the disease anymore. Can I claim a cure or not? No, by golly, I don’t. You should run from people like that. But this possibility is there, and we are seeing real-life results for people, which is why I bring my pompoms out for people. I cheer a lot every day because you don’t get messages like this. The reality is, that we do it in the community, and we have a big brain health community that meets every Wednesday with people, wanting feedback to say, I need to see it. The more we see it, the more we hear about it, and the more it happens. It’s like Bannister’s four-minute mile; before he ran that four-minute mile, it was assumed that people couldn’t run that fast. Now kids are running it, like talking on their cell phone with face timing. It’s like, What in the world is going on? Right.

Heather Sandison, ND

I have to, just to support what you said the first time I saw someone get better, my first patient, Linda, whom I share a lot about, about just seeing her go. A MoCA of two out of three. Right. Very severe disease to just six weeks later, a mediocre of seven. The first thing that came to mind was that I must have done something wrong. We must have done her moca wrong initially. then to hear her husband say, No, she likes to talk. We have conversations again instead of just yes-or-no answers. like we’re ballroom dancing times a week, and she’s keeping up and hearing how their lives have been transformed. It was undeniable at that point. I think that, yes, we always need more research and people who have dedicated their careers to when, according to the conventional thought process and storyline, it’s hard to shift that it doesn’t happen overnight. But that’s why we’re here. That’s why we’re sharing these stories of hope, and that’s why we’re committed to the research and to moving that forward. It takes a team. I’m just so grateful to Dr. Eckel to have you here, to have you share this, and for contributing to this summit and this message of hope. Thank you.

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

 Thank you for having me. It’s been a pleasure.

Heather Sandison, ND

I want everyone to know how they can find out more about you and the Energy 4 Life centers.

Greg Eckel, ND, LAc

It’s the website energy the number 4 life centers within dot com, energy4lifecenters.com. That’s the best spot we have on most social media platforms. We’ve got a YouTube channel. You can search for my name as well, but we will hopefully get the word out just like this. thank you.

Heather Sandison, ND

Fantastic. Thank you so much for being with us.