Detox: It’s Not All Gloom & Doom! Easy Steps To Optimize For Those With Thyroid Disease

Hi everyone, this is Dr. Kelly, your host of the thyroid series on DrTalks. We have a very special guest, one of our favorites here at DrTalks and DrSummit, we have Dr. Kevin Conners here on the podcast. Welcome Dr. Conners.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Good to see you again Kelly

Dr. Kelly Halderman

Nice to see you too. Dr. Conners. You just wrote a fantastic book called The Seven phases of detoxification. And you know, I just keep learning more about different phases of detoxification. As I get older wives talked about three in medical school, and then I learned that there’s phase zero and about 2010, and then I made up phase 2.5. So we’re just going and going with our amounts of detoxification, but it’s super important. It’s really these seven phases really detail how we get this whole process, right? And, you know, we’re talking about thyroid health and most people with thyroid issues, I would say, are most people living on planet Earth have problems with the amount of toxicants in their body versus how they get them out of their body. Would you agree with that?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Oh, absolutely. We’re exposed to things that our ancestors, I never dreamed of being exposed to, and it’s the chemicals that are in our environment that are being created on a weekly basis. Not only put it into our food supplies, but just put into our environment that we absorb through breathing them in through our skin. And then through the digestive tract as well that our body has to deal with. So it’s a major issue that nobody wants to talk about.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

Right? Absolutely. And you know, especially when people, you know, such as myself, I have Hashimoto’s thyroiditis, there’s obviously a cause and that’s what you taught me when we were working together. Is there is a root cause for everything. I came from an al empathic training where we were just taught to basically prescribe drugs to cover up symptoms and so getting at those root causes of such things that cause autoimmunity. One of them is toxins. One of them is your, you know, your body is that aesthetic load. There’s just so many toxins in the body that, you know, there’s some mechanisms that we’ve talked about in different podcasts but that it’s not an accident that your body is creating thyroid antibodies. It’s not an accident. It’s the body responding rather to everything that’s going on. And so, you know, that’s where I think it’s important for people who have thyroid issues who don’t have thyroid issues. They pay attention to what’s going on. And like you said, it’s almost like something that the elephant in the room we don’t want to address is that we need to start thinking about detoxification, whether or not we have a diagnosis of the thyroid disease X. Y and Z. You know, you help people with cancer, you know, I’m sure that’s a major issue is detoxification, but tell us about the seven phases start where you want to start tell us about, you know, your take on how you approach implementing this in.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Well like you said, you came from an empathic approach where you make a diagnosis and then give a medication. But we have to be careful as functional practitioners not to do the same thing. So often a nutritionist or a natural path or a chiropractor trying to practice some sort of functional medicine really does the same thing. Oh here’s your diagnosis of high, you know those here take this supplement instead of this drug. Well it’s still a medical approach instead of digging in and let’s see if we can get to some root causes and deal with those root causes so that you don’t necessarily need to be dependent upon even a supplement. So when I, you know, I kind of, most practitioners that dig into cause like this do address these seven phases, I just put words names to them, you know, that’s all I did. 

It was actually a lecture I was doing a couple of years ago talking about how you need to detox. And somebody asked a question about detoxing heavy metal or something like that and I said, well you have no business starting to detox heavy metal and tell you work on the end game. And I walked through the three phases of detoxification plus phase 2.5 that you so eloquently described. And then I started talking about, well we really need to work on by the gallbladder as well if you have a stuffed up gallbladder that so many people do, especially women you have to deal with that as well. And then you do need to deal with the reabsorption of toxins in the gut. If you have leaky gut issues, meaning you have a separation of the cells in the intestinal wall. So you’re just anything that you are detoxified, you’re re absorbing, well that’s not doing any good. Or you have a very sluggish colon. 

And you’re not eliminating well then so I just put a name to those. So in my book I talk about Phase six is that end game getting stuff into the toilet. So if you’re not eliminating, having regular bowel movements, not just a not just regular but making sure that you have a good intestinal transit time. You don’t want it too fast, you don’t want to eat something and have to run to the toilet. And you’re not absorbing anything in that food but you certainly don’t want to you know be eating corn on the cob today and you don’t see it in your stool for five days, meaning that it’s you have to slow of an intestinal transit time and you’re not you know moving food through that fast enough. So there is a balance with that, But you have to be getting out what’s on the inside. So you have to be eliminating properly. I call that Phase six. So making sure that your stool is is you know, nobody wants to talk about bowel movements, right? But you have to talk about bowel movements. You have to deal with that because that’s how you ultimately get toxins out of the body in the end game. So you can think of it as kind of like a stream, any blockage in this stream along the way. Well you know the stream is going to back up. So you want to start at the end of the stream and make sure there’s no blockage and then walk up the stream and make sure that you fix those problems. So then phase five, what I called phase five is binding stuff in the gut, healing the gut itself all would be part of phase five. You know that especially with women with breast cancers and estrogen receptive issues doesn’t even just relate to breast cancers. The number one problem is zero estrogens, estrogens in our environment that we’re exposed to in plastics and food sources and things that we re absorb so readily in the colon. So we have to use things either just dietary choices that have fiber in them.

That fiber can be a binder that can bind onto these things or make selective choices with supplements that are using things that will bind onto not just bad estrogens but toxic end products that your liver works so hard to get out of the bloodstream. So we need to use binders so that we don’t just re absorb poisons that every other part of our body is is working overtime to get rid of that’s phase five And then working back upwards Phase four is supporting gallbladder function and gallbladder function is is where we store bile and then the gallbladder contracts and secretes bile into the first part of the small intestine bile serves as a function of everybody. Most people know that vile serves as a function. Help digest fats most appropriately. But most people don’t realize that vial is what carries all the poisons from the liver into the small intestine. 

So it would be you think it would be even better if why don’t why didn’t God make us so that we so when our liver pulls things out of the blood we just squirted out side of our body but it just doesn’t work that way it squirts into our intestines. So we’ve got 30 ft of intestinal tract that those toxins have to transverse and remain in that lumen until you have a bowel movement. So we have to keep it in that lumen of the intestinal tract the small intestine and the large intestine until you deposited into the toilet. That’s the idea of binding but sluggish gallbladder function is a major issue that backs up the liver. So you could be working really hard on, you know I’m gonna be taking milk thistle and all these great products that support my phase one and phase two and 2.5 of my of my liver, the function of my liver to pull things out of the bloodstream. But if my gallbladder is backed up because I have gallstones because I just have very viscous bile. Then that’s just like another giant rock in the stream that’s backing the stream

Dr. Kelly Halderman

Right? And I will just add as that when I was 20 years old, I had a gallbladder removal surgery. And so this problem didn’t start when I was 20, it started when I was really young and I think there was some obviously epigenetic but some genetic perhaps factors that played into that. I think that you know the gallbladder, you know of itself. The help of it is really underappreciated. You know that’s why I created that supplement phase 2.5 to really help make make that bio move that bio. Are you a fan of using?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

For sure? I mean that’s really what you make bio from. Right? So having that and there’s other products like the artichoke and things like that you have and 2.5 and even doing some physical things like hot packs over your liver doing some saunas doing castor oil packs over your liver and gallbladder. If you’re gonna put something over your liver, you’re hitting your gallbladder to physically and doing coffee enemas that nobody wants to talk about. But all our cancer patients are doing them fairly regularly but that can be really helpful to help move bile. And this is important. 

You mentioned gallbladder surgery. This is important even if you had your gallbladder because the viscosity of your bile can slow it down in the doctor remember it’s it’s just going through just like a vascular type duct that’s encased in epithelial cells that’s surrounded by smooth muscle and it only has so much capability of of extension in the duct itself. So if it’s you got thick bile the that motion through from the liver. So the liver creates bile, puts all the toxins that the liver pulls out of the blood into the bile. It has to go still go through the bio doctor of the common bile duct down to the down to the gallbladder. But if you don’t have a gallbladder then it’s going right into the wand and the first part of the small intestine and it can still be slowed or blocked through the duct itself.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

Right Right.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

And you mentioned it’s interesting people think that no gallbladder issues are for people over 40 and you had to have surgery in your twenties people are having these issues in their single digits of life. And saw one study a few years ago that they don’t they don’t know, what how they performed the study but they found an enormous amount of Children under two that already had fatty liver disease.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

That just blows your mind.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

I mean you had these Children had to have it in utero had to be from the mother’s diet. And fatty liver disease isn’t caused from eating a lot of fat. It’s from toxins that the liver is actually creating kind of a fatty layer around the toxin to protect you from its more serious disease. So it’s these things are happening to our youth and then maybe you’re finally getting diagnosed at a later year of life but it’s the diagnosis is that happening earlier earlier? Right.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

Very sad.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

So moving on to phase four, moving backwards. So phase four is the gallbladder issue and then phase 32 and one have to do with the liver function. So the function of the liver and understand these things are happening on all of us all the time. This is how we eliminate toxins. My book is mainly to talk about how you can facilitate these things. How can you support these phases that are taking place if you’re not detoxifying you are you’re gonna just be dead in a matter of a couple of days. So you have to be detoxified but people will detoxify at different rates and this these phase 12 and three of the liver are possibly the most rate dependent pieces of the puzzle. And that have maybe the most genetic significance behind them. So because Phase one and Phase two are so genetic driven because you have to make very specific enzymes in order for Phase one and Phase two functions in the liver to actually work if you have a lot of defects that you’ve inherited from parents or that you that have been manifested in your life because of epigenetic, you know, environmental exposure. 

That is very rate limiting me that you can have very sluggish pathways and that’s where, you know, we have spoken in the past about how you talk about, you know, diseases and disorders like autism and disorders that are, you know, very toxic driven. What you know is autism caused by vaccines? Well, no, but if a person is exposed to, if a child, you know, £6 baby is exposed to some mercury substance or aluminum substance or any of the other folks that are in the toxin and books that are in a vaccine. And they have, you know, severely rate limiting genetic defects in Phase one and Phase two pathways. Those are the cytochrome P 4 50 pathways that in 80 pathways upon one pathways then you are they that £6 baby is not going to detoxify that toxin, whether it be from a vaccine or whether it be from the mother taking medication or whether it be whatever that exposure is, they’re not going to detoxify it very quickly. 

And it’s going to affect that child and before a child is two years old, they really have no blood brain barrier. And if that toxin has circulated their body goes through the liver. And the liver is like, oh we can’t handle it. We’re already dealing with some other things. And it circulates. Again, it’s it’s going to be deposited somewhere. And if it’s deposited in the brain of that child, it could certainly affect cognitive function and affect cognitive ability, certainly affect neurotransmitter function depends on where it’s deposited in the brain, where it’s a deposit in the body and where it is deposited even in an adult is where we’re going to have dysfunction. So It’s not really rocket science to figure out that if you don’t get rid of poisons that you’re exposed to, they’re going to stay somewhere. They don’t disappear. You know, mercury has a half life of what 15 million years, it’s not going anywhere in your lifetime unless you can get it into your bowel and into the toilet. And to say that you’re eating organic and you’re doing everything right and you’re not exposed to these things. Well those are all good and well things to do. But you are exposed to these things on a daily basis and you do need to mitigate your exposure as best you possibly can. But while doing that you need to support all these phases of detox as best you possibly can to this should just be a life practice.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

That’s right. So I’m sure you see and I saw when I was in practice people when they wanted to suddenly detox forgetting that their bodies constantly detox. So let’s say they buy a detox kit and they start to take supplements that really when you look at a traditional detox kit up regulates usually phase one and phase two. Now I used to see people get into a lot of trouble and I’m sure you have to because as you just so eloquently explain if you don’t have, you know, the other phases of detoxification. Working from the bottom up, you’re going to log jam all the toxins that you are trying to get out. If your, if your bile isn’t flowing. I will add one thing is that now I work for a biotech company and we specialize in water And it is staggering the amount of people who walk around dehydrated. I mean the statistics are awful for Children, adults, elderly just across the board and bile is 98% Aquarius. 

And so when we’re looking at very foundational things, just making sure we’re hydrated right? I mean if you’re going to start detoxification, let’s say you know you want to go on some detoxification program, which I really think you should talk to your health care provider about before starting anything. It’s that we have to really make sure that we’re optimizing that back. And so it’s almost like that’s where we start. We start with ball movements, we start with proper hydration. We start with good fiber in such in the diet before we’re even starting those detoxification. And again, I think a lot can be done with your diet and you can, you know, talk about that. But I want to know from your perspective, what do you see and you alluded to having a good diet? What do you see as the top sources for where people are getting exposed and maybe just not even connecting the dots exposed to toxins?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Well, it’s certainly a lot of things that you can mitigate real easy women. It’s different than men because women put so many things on their body topically. So you got to think of how do you get things in your body, Will you eat them? And women might be much more attuned to eating better than men just as a whole. Which is great. But then they put a poisonous lotion and poisonous makeup and poisonous hair stuff. And I mean The list goes on and on and on. I did an interview with gentlemen out of Europe who’s very into those things and he brought some information to light to me that there’s over 1300 chemicals that are outlawed in personal care products by the European Union that are okay to use in products and personal care products in the United States.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

It’s what I say, it’s shocking. But not surprising

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

These companies will make two different products, one for the U. S. Market and one for the European market because they can put that stuff in the U. S. Market. So all these when you look at the back of your care care product in these words that you can’t pronounce their biochemical formulas that make the hair care products smell better, work better in a lot of different ways, but they are literally poisonous. And you there the reason why they’re outlawed in Europe is because they cause cancer. Well if they cause cancer, what else are they causing? Well, I don’t have cancer and I’ll live with it because I really want my hair to smell like apples or whatever. But yes, it’s causing so many things. These again, you are tox if eyeing yourself and if you can’t get it out of your body, it is becoming part of you. So you are what you are exposed to that you can’t get rid of these things become a part of you and we talk about cancer. Cancer is a cell starts with just one cell that something got inside that cell affected the nucleus. And now the rate of replication has increased. That’s the definition of cancer is that you have a rapidly replicating cell that’s replicating cells that are also rapidly replicating. 

That is by definition what cancer is and it doesn’t just happen and it just it happens because something got in there some sort of toxin. When we look at causes of cancer, the cause of the toxicity cause is like 90% of the cases now your braca genes are the cause of cancer. Your braca genes are tumor suppressor genes that if you have defects don’t turn on to help your body kill cancer. But the cause is not the genetic piece. The cause is something that got inside the cell. It affected the nucleus, the replication rate of the nucleus. So toxicity is a major issue and it goes way beyond cancer. It affects all sorts of dysfunction. Like you mentioned cognitive dysfunction and everything else that you can think of. It literally all disease. So you have to be working on these pathways.

So going back to what you mentioned, yes, we have to look as far downstream as possible. You mentioned hydration with with the gallbladder and bile production, but also hydration has to do with phase five because if you’re dehydrated, you will start absorbing every amount of fluid in your in your intestinal tract and with that will come the toxins that your liver works so hard to get rid of and dump into the colon. So you have to be hydrating for sure. And then you mentioned the box detox. Is that support phase One and phase two. And to be even worse than that is people jumping to key leaders right away. So, oh, I have mercury filling. So I read this book about how bad mercury is. So I’m gonna start taking a key later. And you have no business taking a key later. 

Unless you’ve supported colon elimination. Phase six binders. Phase five supporting called bladder function, Phase four, Phase 12 and three of the liver. And then you can start pulling things out of the tissue because if you pull things out of the tissue, it goes into the bloodstream and it goes into the bloodstream. If you can think of it like a cartoon circulating through the bloodstream, it gets to the liver and it’s going, hey, can you take these poisons and get rid of them? And if your liver is backed up, it’s going sorry Charlie, we can’t circulates again circulates again, gets that same answer. It’s just gonna get pushed to some other area of the body and you can just make yourself sicker.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

Yeah. And your kidneys think of your poor kidneys having to take the burden in. I you know, we’re just seeing lots of dialysis centers, they say there’s more dialysis centers per zip code than Starbucks. You know, something is not right here and that’s multifactorial, you know, it’s a lot of blood sugar issues and things. But wow, yes. You know, harp on, harp on that for sure. Is that using key leaders? You really need to you need to step back and work with someone who knows what they’re doing and make sure all those other pathways are wide open because I have seen disastrous things. When you just jump to that. So, great point. I want to ask you about binders. I want to go back to binders. Tell us more about are you selective with your binder? Do you like a broad spectrum? How do you approach that?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

I like a broad spectrum. For I mean you could do testing with kinesiology and such would be the best thing for that person at that time. But it’s only gonna really test for what’s the best person thing for that person at that time. So doing a broad spectrum, the nice thing about binders is by definition you’re not really absorbing minders, they’re staying in the gut so you can’t hurt yourself with binders. Some people argue, well you’re biting your minerals with your binders and you’re not absorbing that? Well if you’re you know if your if your diet is that you’re not taking enough minerals in the first place. That could be a problem. But that’s really not, that’s a mute point. So taking binders like charcoal, sodium, algae Nate. The clays like bentonite and the phobic and human assets. And there’s a lot of really good binders on the market. I like some more broad spectrum binders that have multiple different things in it that will grab on to different things. Just to make sure we’re doing the trick because there’s you don’t know what you’re what you’re absorbing through your skin and through the air and through your food. I mean most time even if you’re paying attention you can’t know. So you have to just make come from the assumption that there’s a lot of different toxins that need to be bound and gotten rid of.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

And you talked about some of the genetic defects in Phase one and Phase two. Some people have their genetics. Some people don’t have their genetics. Some people don’t want to know their genetics. Is there an approach where if you don’t have genetics is their approach that you like to take with optimizing those? Is it through food? If you know you don’t know where their weaknesses are. Do you like lab testing? You talk to us about that?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

So you don’t need to run a genetic, do a genetic review. There you could just make some assumptions. So there are very specific nutrients that support you know just like you said, any like box detox that is from a reputable company has you know a good source of nutrients that are known to support all the phases of detox of the liver. If you knew your genetics and you knew, I let’s say, I knew I had a lot upon one pathway defects, maybe I would, you know, use more pomegranate and things, but but if you’re, if you’re taking a general phase one, phase two support, you’re going to support that really anyhow, but you just want to make sure that you’re supporting everything down the street at least simultaneously. So, I think you’re safe, you know, making some assumptions. So even if you have a lot of defects, doesn’t necessarily mean that those jeans are quote unquote turned on and are really slowing your detox pathways, you just have the capability of those slowly. Plus the opposite is true. I mean I might have a perfect genetic outlook, but I have other factors that are slowing those pathways, you know, alcohol consumption and an over abundance of toxic load, there’s multiple factors that are involved with that. I do want a touchdown since this is a thyroid thing that we’re talking about is when we talked about heavy metals and t lading and making sure before you do that you’re supporting other, the other pathways that is a major cause of you said a burden on the kidneys, which is so true, but that is a major cause of when you get into the cause of hashimoto because hashimoto’s, you know, your thyroid is so dependent on iodine, iodine is technically a metal and if you’re deficient in iodine, your thyroid will take up something else to attempt to replace it. And if you have a lot of circulating mercury or aluminum or radium or some other toxic metal that can take the place of that and be the antigen that sparks the whole autoimmune trigger. That actually was the cause of the auto immunity. So ultimately key lady that out is going to be one of the persons solutions. But you can’t go to that until you support the rest of the downstream.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

Right. Side note I’ve noticed with covid no Europa these post Covid even if they are long haul or not in new neuropathy in meaning like the bowel movements, the actual function of peristalsis. There was an article that came out that did show that Covid was related to some of these transit times, you know the interests of the bowel. Are are you seeing that are you seeing an increase in people having issues with like constipation I guess you for a lay person, you know, what would you be experiencing?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Yeah, so that is autonomic neuropathy. So your autonomic nervous system is your sympathetic and your parasympathetic that work completely conversely to each other. Right? So when if you have a neuropathy of your parasympathetic, your vagal nerve which is your parasympathetic nervous system you’re going to have dysfunction of that. Anything that your parasympathetic control which are which is your function of your bowel movements. Right? So that is your parasol tick contraction is a function of your parasympathetic. What people don’t always know is that what else does your parasympathetic nervous system do it control its the neurological control of both your phase one and phase two liver function. So it is also the neurological control of your immune system. So we always think of you know everything we’re talking about today has to do with body chemistry. So we’re talking about toxins that you get in your body. That’s chemistry supporting all these phases. That’s body chemistry. But we tend to forget about the neurology that controls our chemistry.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

We’ll use them in the neurology school. And so I’m very aware and I and you’re right I think that it’s you know even having the background both of us in function neurology we tend to kind of put that on the at the side and do chemistry chemistry but then we have to bring that in. We have to bring be aware because again you’re noticing it. I’m noticing it public publications are saying that it’s effective. So I didn’t even know that I did not even know that the parasympathetic vagal nerve control? Phase one and phase two.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

So then you go, okay well how do we stimulate the you know the the vagal nerve When we have vagal neuropathy. So neuropathy is a dysfunction of a nerve, right? So it’s it doesn’t mean it’s dead, it means it’s dis functioning and it could be dis functioning with covid because of spike proteins. That’s my feeling, affecting the receptors that’s possible. Could affect the gang, it could be just conglomerated in the nerve ganglion, that’s another possibility. How would you get rid of that through detoxification processes? But you do want to stimulate that vagal nerve so we can stimulate the vagal nerve in multiple different ways. So we have you know, one of one of the things on our detox in the detox book and in our detox course is vagal nerve stimulation exercises. So one of the best things to stimulate vagal nerve that again, nobody wants to talk about is coffee enemas. 

So well the average person, if I don’t have a very serious disease, it’s gonna be hard to get them to do coffee enemas on any regular basis. But that is a great stimulation. The whole purpose of doing a coffee enema doesn’t has nothing to do with them constipated, has everything to do with. I’m trying to stimulate the vagal nerve because the vagal nerve again By definition that’s cranial nerve. 10. That is the parasympathetic control of not just the bowel but of the immune system of the detoxification pathways? That’s the neurological control of the detoxification pathways in the liver and of the immune system and of peristalsis and we could go in and on and on of relaxing the heart, relaxing the blood vessels so it brings down blood pressure. It calms the heart brings down heart rate. 

It opens up the respiratory system. It opens up the bronchial tubes all these things that the parasympathetic does And we are living in a world of sympathetic dominance that’s the opposite side of the autonomic nervous system. Even if you don’t have post covid vagal nerve neuropathy we’re still sympathetically dominant. Para sympathetically suppressed. That alone from a neurological standpoint is affected all my detoxification pathways because it’s slowing my gut function. I’m going to have slower intestinal transit times. It’s slowing my gall bladder function. It’s slowing my liver detox pathways and that’s a huge piece. Now there’s other different little exercises a person can do and we have a list of those on our website. Silly little exercises that help stimulate your parasympathetic. They do work working through as many of those as possible. Really helps stimulate the parasympathetic.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

So download the book right at Connersclinic.com. You can download the

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

1. K. That’s a free download So enjoy of course our detox course. Get access to us as well.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

Great. The last point I want to touch on from my end is the use of probiotics. Probiotics. Post biotics can you kind of give us an idea of your strategy about those supplements.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Well that gets much more complicated because now you’re really working on phase five and phase six together. Really trying to heal the gut right? Because well I don’t need gut feeling, I’m just fine. Well I’ll guarantee you, every person on this planet needs to be working on gut feeling on a daily basis, at least conscious of it because we’re damaging it on a daily basis. Talk about toxins that we’re taking in any of these genetically modified food garbage is which even if you’re eating all organic, you’re still exposed to this stuff is basically at its root and antibiotic and it’s damaging your gut. So literally every single person has leaking got somewhere in their intestinal tract. 

You need to be working on healing it and and supporting it and then you talk about the unhealthy nous of the inter the lumen of the gut, the lumen of the gut is supported so much by your microbiota and when your microbiota is imbalanced or relatively absent. You need to be working on building it back now you’re getting probiotics and probiotics and post biotics through a good diet. So not everybody needs to take a nutritional supplement for that. Or maybe I should rephrase that not everybody’s taking nutritional supplements on a daily basis for that. But on a fairly regular basis you should probably add that to your diet even if you’re just pulsing it you know, a week, a month or something like that just to make sure that you are gaining some the biotics to help start growing culture in there. If it’s if you’re lacking anything.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

Especially if you’ve taken an antibiotic. I really love Jefferson from US enzymes master supplements. He said that when you take an antibiotic it’s like peeling paint off the wall and it takes six months of probiotic therapy on average to repaint the wall like recede your gut and you know we’re still using antibiotics like candy for things that are you know could use a different strategy. So you know I think people aren’t quite aware of the damage that is done with. Even if you need that antibiotic, let’s say you need it and take it and do as your doctor tells you to do but realize that they’re there, you’re like you said you know you have to really continue to heal your gut and you may need some extra help along along the way with that. But I totally agree with you. I think that a good diet you can get a lot of these nutrients but people that you are not in optimal health. I rely a lot on probiotics and selective you know probiotics and now I’m a really big faneuil you know in the past couple of years of beauty rate. I think that that’s been really helpful in healing the blood brain barrier and a lot of the battery production in the gut is very affected negatively with all the toxins and things that we just talked about. Well how about anything else from your end, Dr. Conners that we did not cover?

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

No, I know people get overwhelmed when they hear talks like this, they’re like oh my gosh, you know, but it’s it’s really not. If you just educate yourself and you understand this, it doesn’t mean you have to be taking 30 different supplements or something like that, but but just understand this helps you make better choices, not just food choices, but anything chemicals that you’re exposed to and that, you know, if you understand your body’s gotta get rid of them or you’re going to have adverse health effects is helpful. So I don’t want to you know, be all doom and gloom. There’s a lot of hope your body is, you know, God made us in a way that you could recover just remarkably. But the more knowledge that you have that you can support this in these pathways, I think the better you’re going to be

Dr. Kelly Halderman

Absolutely, I couldn’t have said it better myself when we know better, we do better. Right, well, it has been a pleasure Dr. Conners for more information on you, I know your website connersclinic.com is full of free books, free downloads. You’re very generous with what you put out for everyone and thank you for being generous with your time today.

Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM

Thank you Dr. Kelly.