Full Transcript Opening Story on Liver Support and Allergies 0:00 And so I worked on that for a while. 0:02 And as you know, the sinews and the tendons controlled more by the liver. 0:06 So I focused more on his liver and supporting that and talking to him with diet and things to support his livers. 0:12 But he came back after about six treatments and he's like, did you do something to my allergies? 0:19 Because I usually have the worst. 0:21 My allergies in the spring are usually just unbearable." And he said, they've improved. 0:26 Like, I can't even believe it. 0:27 And so I didn't really talk about allergies. 0:31 So, and sometimes patients will come in and they feel like they don't want to tell you their whole background because they felt like that's not related. 0:38 If they choose not to talk it, then we don' really know how to help them. 0:42 But it is fun though when they bring it up and it's like, wow, you I could have let you know this would probably help. 0:47 Hi, welcome to The Balancing Point. 0:50 I'm Dr. 0:51 John Needers and I am here to make traditional Chinese medicine, functional medicine and integrative health simple, practical and fun so you can restore balance, 1:03 boost vitality and enjoy a healthier life every single day. 1:08 Hello, this is Dr. 1:10 John again. 1:11 I want to thank you for joining me here for another episode of The Balancing Point. 1:16 And we've gotten some great, great reviews about our guests. 1:21 Today we'll probably get a ton of great review because I'm really pleased to introduce Alexia Bennett.
Podcast Introduction and Guest Background 1:28 Alexia, who goes by Lexi, is a licensed acupuncturist with over 25 years of experience and specializes in pain relief, integrative wellness, 1:39 and advanced techniques such as electroacupuncture. 1:42 And today we're going to talk mostly about the electro acupunture piece because even many people who have received acu-puncture numerous times still don't 1:51 know what electro-acupuncture is. 1:54 And Alexi is the founder of Calm Spirit Integrative Wellness in Colorado. 1:58 Has a very large team of people that she works with. 2:02 I told her I was envious of her organizational skills. 2:07 So, but anyway, she runs a big center there. 2:09 Alexia has a background in biology and then thousands of hours of advanced training in electro acupuncture, acupuncture. 2:20 She's been deepening her expertise through advanced study with the Electroacupunctur Institute here in the United States. 2:28 And in this episode, she's going to share how electro acupuncture enhances traditional acupunture, uh, by using gentle electrical stimulation to activate 2:38 the nervous system, reduce pain and accelerate healing. 2:42 And I have to tell you, I love this topic because we love electroacupuncture here at Alameda Acupunpture too. 2:50 So. 2:51 Electroacupuncture is increasingly recognized for its ability to address chronic pain, stress-related conditions, not that anybody has stress coming up 3:01 to April 15, filing your taxes, and it is very effective with reducing pain and accelerates healing. 3:12 So Alexi brings a really unique perspective that blends decades of hands-on clinical experience with a passion for helping patients. 3:23 She wants them to feel their best physically, mentally, and emotionally. 3:27 So, Alexie, before I get into other things, would you be willing to kind of tell us how you got involved in acupuncture in the first place? 3:37 Sure. 3:38 Thanks for having me and I appreciate just the great introduction. 3:42 Yeah. 3:43 I went to school for biology in Boulder, CU, and my mother was always into holistic healing. 3:51 She was pretty much ahead of her time. 3:53 There was a lady in boulder called Hannah Kroger and she had Krogh herbal medicine and. 3:58 And she has her own little clinic and that's who my mom mostly took us to growing up. 4:04 Her book was on my bookshelf. 4:07 I was so impressed. 4:10 She was a really wonderful... 4:13 Now I look back and I'm so thankful that my mother had that kind of guidance and she took classes from her. 4:20 When I was kid, I didn't like it. 4:22 I just was like, can't we be normal and go to normal doctors and why do we have to be weirdos? 4:28 And she was just... 4:31 No, we were going to try it naturally because she knew a lot of times if she could do things through diet and other ways that we would heal. 4:39 And so I'm so thankful for that. 4:43 Then I was drawn to Boulder with a it's a pretty eclectic area. 4:49 And so I went to school there for biology for four years and I didn't know what I wanted to do. 4:55 I thought I want to to something environmental or something. 4:58 Then I did a year as a teaching assistant with stream biology and it was interesting but it just was not I'm more of a helper and I like helping people directly, 5:10 I feel like. 5:11 And I realized that I wanted to do something different. 5:14 My older sister actually encouraged me to check out Chinese medicine because she had been getting treatments and it really helped her so much and she wanted 5:24 But she couldn't change professions. 5:25 She's a produce broker and she's really good at that. 5:28 So anyway, I was encouraged by my family to try it and go to school. 5:33 And the first couple of years, energy, what is this? 5:36 It's kind of weird. 5:40 But the more I learned about it, the I think we feel it every day and we just don't recognize that qi comes in different feelings and just through, 5:51 you know, just different ways. 5:53 And so that really decided, it kind of guided me into doing traditional Chinese medicine.
How Lexi Got Into Acupuncture 6:00 And the more, over the years, just learning, I feel like you could learn your whole life and there's still more to learn. 6:07 And we're discovering new things with more technology and it's just so awesome. 6:11 Yeah, and you're a lifelong learner, obviously. 6:14 You know, i've checked out some of your things, as am I. 6:19 I'm 75 and I keep threatening that I'll retire and my wife just laughs at me. 6:23 It's like, you'll never retire, right? 6:28 And as you can probably tell any of you followers of the Enneagram, Lexi's definitely a two. 6:35 She loves helping people. 6:37 That's her life story. 6:38 So, so happy to have you here. 6:42 Let me ask you some questions about what made you start including electro acupuncture in your practice? 6:51 Actually, before you answer that, did you get training in electroacupunctur in you master's degree program? 6:58 We had a little bit of it. 7:00 It was part of the classes, the curriculum. 7:04 They had few classes where people came in and showed us how to use an eSTEM or a TENS unit, but it wasn't well explained about voltage and amps and all 7:16 of the things that we learned that they're discovering that, we need like high volts, low amps, and not these machines that have high amps in low volts. 7:24 They just don't work with our body's energy the same way. 7:27 And just different frequencies, all the thing that were learning now about frequencies is just amazing. 7:35 And so it was some, but just not, and I really wasn't that interested because at the time I thought it's overstimulating, 7:41 you don't need it. 7:42 You can just do regular acupuncture and it is effective. 7:45 And it had been for like 24 years or 23 years until I took this class with the Electroacupunctur Institute and Jeremy Steiner, 7:54 the founder. 7:55 He was a physics, first he had a minor in physics and then he went on to become an acupunturist and also now he's getting his MD. 8:04 And his wife is also an MD. 8:07 He has both sides, I feel like, just an explained electricity, so much better than the school when I went to school. 8:14 Yeah, I feel so blessed to be alive and practicing at this time. 8:19 I mean, every day, you know, my patients will say, Oh God, You know so much. 8:24 And the only thing I'm thinking is, oh my God. 8:26 There's so I don't know infinitely more that I know than I do know. 8:30 Right. 8:35 Acupuncture and electro acupuncture being accepted much more widely now. 8:40 My wife is the acupuncturist for the football team and they love it. 8:46 And she does one day of injury and one. 8:52 a sports performance. 8:53 So before the game, she'll do sports, performance acupuncture. 8:56 And I'll look up sometimes and see these 300 pound guys walking up and down the hall because she's doing gait analysis. 9:04 Right. 9:05 It's a little, little disarming sometimes. 9:10 Tell us how electro acupuncture works. 9:12 I'm sure people are getting fascinated now. 9:15 Give us a rundown. 9:17 Well, how it's been explained to me is it is called ICHI, which is like energy, different than the energy that you see or that we have within the walls, 9:27 like electrical energy. 9:28 But it uses electrons, and our body is kind of like a battery when it gets a charge. 9:36 And we can get charges from when muscles are used, they can release frequency or release electrons and ATP. 9:44 So this is basically to send a charge into different parts of the body that are deficient. 9:50 And you could actually use like a voltmeter. 9:52 I went to one of classes from a mentor, Dr. 9:56 Tennant. 9:57 He's down in Irving, Texas. 10:00 He wrote the book, Healing His Voltage. 10:03 He's written a few books. 10:05 I recommend that book all the time. 10:07 Yes. 10:07 And he's like 86 years old. 10:10 he still teaching.I went to his class last May.He's amazing. 10:14 But him just explaining to many, there were several, like 50 different doctors and things there explaining it, but basically your body is You can use a 10:27 voltmeter to measure your frequency, and if it's deficient, when it should be at minus 21 millivolts to be healthy. 10:34 And every channel should at that frequency if its strong and getting enough electrons and moving like it shouldn't. 10:41 If it is blocked or deficients, that's when you have things happening that shouldn' t. 10:46 The organ and the whole system, the channel isn't getting the energy that it needs, so then it starts to have problems.
Training in Electroacupuncture 10:54 And so if we send each end using electricity or the east end, then it can help charge up the channel and give it frequency. 11:02 You can get it other ways like scalar energy using maybe moxa or using just even regular energy or acupuncture, just to send energy through, 11:14 you know, the way we do acupunture to release different areas. 11:18 But this is even a stronger, nourishing channels with electrons. 11:25 Takes us right back to our first year of acu-puncture school, right? 11:30 Free flow equals no pain, no free flow, equals pain. 11:33 Right? 11:34 Right. 11:35 They were on it. 11:37 And so this just charging the channel to help give the body flow where it's blocked or where its deficient and trying to get that, 11:44 whether it is deficien or excess, if you get energy in there, it'll do what it needs to do. 11:49 Yeah. 11:50 The body knows how to heal itself, but we just, you know, get out of the way and get all the impediments out the of way. 11:56 Right. 11:56 So that sounds awesome. 11:58 And, so what kind of types of conditions do you treat with electro acupuncture? 12:03 We see a lot of pain issues with acupuncture. 12:07 We're looking at the channels, where is the pain and how is it connected to what we call energy leaks. 12:15 And there's different types of energy leak. 12:16 Like a root canal is someone, usually that's the only doctor that leaves dead tissue in the body. 12:22 So if someone has a route canal, their body is always trying to deal with that. 12:27 dead tissue and that can be an energy leak and every tooth connects to an organ system. 12:33 And so we look for those kinds of things. 12:35 Do they have, you know, silver amalgams? 12:38 Do the have scarring? 12:40 Even tattoos. 12:42 I mean, it's a little concerning now with the culture and everybody seems like so many people getting tattoos and those can block energy. 12:51 And I mean, not that it can't be fixed, but I think a lot of times if people have a of tattoos, it's almost like a scar that can cause chi to stop flowing 13:02 in certain areas or block it. 13:04 And so we look for, you know, what are their symptoms and what energy leaks and then trying to figure out which channels need charged. 13:15 And so we use a lot of eSTEM for pain and just by using that diagnostic tool. 13:23 We love it for paint. 13:25 Like I said, my wife carries with her several electro acupuncture machines of different types when she does house calls or when goes to the foreigners. 13:35 They're an amazement at how effective it is. 13:39 So is electroacupuncture, you know, some people worry about the safety, right? 13:46 Which by the way, I've never heard of anybody being damaged, but tell me how you feel about safety. 13:52 I think it's very safe. 13:54 You have to have someone that's trained to be able to hook up the machine and not hurt someone because you could turn it up where it would hurt. 14:02 I would think that would be a short term injury, but it would just be like someone that had pain for a few seconds if they turned it up too high. 14:10 But that's rare. 14:12 If you know what you're doing, you'll know how to turn it out correctly. 14:17 It's similar to every other acupuncture, it's very safe because if you're not going into the lung area or somewhere, you are not gonna puncture anything, 14:27 if your not hurt nerves or anything you just have to be careful about how you needling and how your using the machine to charge the channel. 14:38 I'm the chairperson of an acupuncture advisory committee for a major malpractice carrier. 14:44 And so they let me set a lot of the agenda. 14:47 On every one, I want to know who's getting sued for what, right? 14:51 And they also cover medical doctors. 14:54 They'll generally have some acupunture injuries, but they're all done by the medical doctor's that are doing acu-puncture, 15:02 not by acrupuncturist. 15:03 So it's just fascinating. 15:05 The last lung injury was an MD who was actually, had worked with someone that was doing a demo and hurt his friend who he was,
How Electroacupuncture Works 15:16 he doing the demo on. 15:17 Cause he would just cavalier, you know, they're doctors, and we are so careful, so carefull not to hurt anybody. 15:25 I know that physical therapy in Colorado, in the chiropractic board, they were doing dry needling, and it was just trigger point, 15:36 like in and out needle. 15:37 And then in 2019, I think it changed our laws in colorado that they're able to do retention needeling and add eSTIM, it's still called dry-needling. 15:48 which it seems very similar to acupuncture, but they don't really know the whole system to do like charging channels or things like that. 15:56 They're more like just local releasing trigger points or muscles or something, so it's different. 16:05 I think it can still be effective the way they do it, I've heard of more injuries. 16:12 Yeah. 16:13 And again, when players get traded, football players, which happens to about half the team every year, There'll be new, new people coming in and they don't 16:22 want to acupuncture because they've been hurt because a PT and not to put down PTs, but used a huge needle and did what they call a pistoning technique, 16:32 you know, where they're just jolting it. 16:33 And these big 300 pound guys are crying basically. 16:36 But when my wife treats them and I'll go, well, aren't you going to start? 16:40 She goes, I'm done. 16:41 Right? 16:42 Yeah, that's, I think it's really nice to be able to show people that it shouldn't be scary and it doesn't have to hurt to work. 16:52 And they're like, wow, it really helped. 16:53 I didn't think he was going to do anything because it didn' hurt and they are used to dry needling or something that hurts and does not need to her to. 17:01 Yeah. 17:03 Do you have any stories about, you know, where you've seen electro acupuncture work and be really helpful? 17:09 You've probably got hundreds, but can you pick one or two? 17:14 Just this week, I have a patient that she's had hip pain. 17:19 She's 74 years old and she has had chronic hip for over the last year. 17:26 And they were telling her she possibly needs hip replacement. 17:30 and She has been concerned about going in for that because she feels like she is not ready for it. 17:36 And so I do what they call a spinal bracket and sending on the dew channel, trying to send energy through the spine down the dermatomes. 17:44 And then also locally trying the charge the channels that usually with sciatic pain and hip pain, it's the gallbladder. 17:53 So we try to charge at the start. 17:55 Sometimes I start with gall bladder one. 17:57 It's one of my favorite points to start it. 18:00 intimidating to do needles on the face with eSTEM and I tape it on. 18:04 I've done it myself a lot, but the gallbladder just, it controls so many parts of the body with the legs and the head and neck. 18:14 And so charging the Gallbladder, people can feel a huge difference and it helps with improving sleep. 18:20 Just gall bladder improvement is huge. 18:24 And so just working on her charging her gallbladder channel and charging Purdue channel, and she was amazed. 18:32 I really thought she because she's from an era that maybe is more skeptical that this is going to work. 18:39 And so when she came back and she said, wow, I don't know what you did or understand it, but it actually really helped me. 18:46 So those are the cases that it's like, this why I love this medicine to teach people that they don t have to normally And not to say that someday she may 18:55 not have to have a hip replacement. 18:56 I'm hoping that part of the Electroacupuncture Institute, what we teach people is you need Ichi and Gucci. 19:03 And the Gucci is from what they put into their body. 19:07 They have have the right materials. 19:09 So when I put in electricity and doing eSTEM, it's like sending a bunch of guys over to build and start working, get the energy there to built it. 19:17 But you have to have the materials. 19:19 And so if I send a bunch of people over and there's hardly any material, what are we going to build? 19:23 And that leads into talking to people about their diets and what they're putting in their body. 19:31 I tell people there are three legs for health. 19:35 What are you putting? 19:36 You know, chemicals and all that. 19:38 and your emotional health, how is that, your stress level, How do you deal with that? 19:43 And then movement. 19:44 How much do move? 19:45 Are you moving too little, too much? 19:47 are you wearing it out faster than you can make it?
Conditions Treated and Safety 19:50 So those three things are a huge factor when we when I'm talking with patients. 19:56 But, you know, I've had people I have a guy with chronic sinus problems and we've been doing I start with stomach two on him and I do the e-stim on it 20:06 to charge that channel. 20:07 He was actually a green beret, he fell out of the helicopter too low and crushed his sinuses. 20:14 And so he's had chronic problems with them. 20:18 But as we've been doing this charging his sinus channel or the channel that goes through there, he noticed life changing. 20:25 He said it's been life-changing, just not to have this pain and chronic congestion and all this. 20:30 If we get the right energy in there his body can use it to do what it needs to. 20:35 That's fabulous. 20:36 Just for the listeners, the dew channel runs from the lowest point on the torso. 20:44 up along the spine and comes over the top of the head and ends above the upper lip. 20:51 And the, well, on Qigong, it actually penetrates deeply in to the mouth. 20:57 That's why you hold the tongue on the roof of your mouth, but anyway. 21:00 Then the gallbladder channel, and I'm sure you've had this experience, someone will come in and say, I have a headache. 21:06 Well, show me. 21:07 They'll trace the entire gall bladder meridian on their head. 21:11 Right? 21:12 And then I'll put a needle in their foot, right? 21:14 Because the gallbladder channel goes all the way down to their feet. 21:17 But I always have to explain first so they don't think I'm that senile that I don' know where their head is. 21:22 Right. 21:23 Yeah. 21:25 That's so funny. 21:26 When I first started acupuncture, my brother used to get migraines. 21:30 And I started working on him and I just would do mostly his feet and he's like, are you even listening? 21:35 It's my head. 21:38 Exactly. 21:41 Yeah, there are a lot of things like that. 21:42 I was taught in, when I, was studying more functional medicine stuff to start listening to the heart on the opposite side, 21:51 right? 21:51 And then you make your way through for the different vowel sounds. 21:54 But I don't do that because as soon as I would touch it over here, they just look at me like, don' you know where my heart is? 22:00 So I still start on over their heart. 22:05 I had some Dr. 22:06 Tan training and we do a lot of distal points and he used to talk about he would just put one in just for their mental, just to help them think, 22:17 okay, he's not crazy. 22:19 Yeah, right. 22:19 Exactly. 22:20 I loved him. 22:21 He was just, I love his classes. 22:24 And I had my last clinic, not this one, but the last one. 22:28 The rooms were so small that we had to put the beds up against the wall. 22:33 Um, and so his balance method was perfect for that, because I could get to all the points that way. 22:38 Didn't have to walk around. 22:40 Right. 22:40 Yeah. 22:41 It's very effective, even though it seems like crazy, crazy. 22:46 Well, I was there for three or four years and almost all my treatments were balanced treatments and they work. 22:51 People loved it. 22:52 Yeah. 22:55 Do you ever use Dr. 22:57 Tan's with electro acupuncture? 22:58 I never thought about that. 22:59 I do. 23:01 And that's part of what goes a little bit. 23:05 different than what the Electroacupuncture Institute teaches. 23:09 He teaches doing no more than two to four points with the eSTEM. 23:14 And sometimes I have my machine hooked up and I almost always do six points because I just like the way I do it with a balance method, 23:21 having maybe one on each limb and then sometimes on the core or the face. 23:27 But yes, I think it's very effective because you're still doing some of what I've done for years and then I can add eSTEM into strengthen the channels 23:40 with the balance method. 23:41 So I think they go together really wonderful. 23:45 That's great. 23:47 One of my books on my shelf over here is about golden needle, Wong Le Ting, who's the very famous acupuncturist, you know, 23:55 from the first half of the 1900s. 23:57 And he says, if you really get it right, You only need one needle. 24:01 He said, I'm not that good. 24:03 I usually use four to six. 24:08 I have patients ask me a lot of times, how do you decide or how many needles? 24:12 And I'm like, if I was really good, I would probably need only one or two, but I'd probably meet a few more. 24:19 Yeah. 24:20 That's what I tell them too. 24:23 So how did you determine when to use electroacupuncture versus just hand needling? 24:31 Well, because I've been doing it for more like the last three years, a lot of my patients that are regulars are getting used to it, 24:38 they like, the idea. 24:39 I still have a few that, are like I prefer just regular, I just want to go back because, i've treated some of them for 20 years or more and they just like 24:47 their regular. 24:48 They feel like they've, been comfortable with that for a long time and, so. 24:52 I let first talk to them about how open to you are, are you to doing some eSTEM where you might feel tapping or just a little buzz.
Clinical Examples and Treatment Approach 25:00 And if they want traditional, I'll just do traditional. 25:03 But I would say 90% are people that I treat are they like the eStEM or the electro acupuncture and they prefer it. 25:12 Good. 25:13 Yeah. 25:13 Thank you. 25:16 There's growing interest in, you know, kind of integration. 25:20 I have a certification in functional medicine and I noticed some of your people and your staff do. 25:26 And how do you see those fitting with the electro acupuncture and functional medicines? 25:32 You know, there's the old channel versus nervous system stuff, right? 25:36 Yeah. 25:39 Talk about that a bit, if you would. 25:42 I'm trying to actually tie this even more together where we have, because a lot of patients now are coming in because they feel like they're needing hormones 25:51 and they need, you know, to get on testosterone or estrogen and some of these maybe bioidentical, but there are a lot of things we can do with their own 26:02 energy to get it to shift and help them. 26:04 And so maybe they do the Dutch test with our functional medicine doctor and figure out their hormones, they're too low in estrogen or testosterone or something, 26:14 and trying to charge certain channels that would support their estrogen and their testosterone, or just balancing those so that they feel balanced and 26:25 they don't need to resort to more and more supplements or things. 26:29 So working with my functional medicine doctor and actually I've been kicking around the idea of getting more training on that myself just so I can run 26:37 some of the tests and feel confident of giving them the results and then talking about let's use Chinese medicine first to try to balance before we go 26:45 into supplements and other things That's awesome. 26:50 Isn't it amazing? 26:52 I mean, again, you're a lifelong learner and you really dive into these things. 26:57 And how, what I found is for me, there were several different groups of points, I'll call them techniques, et cetera, that I found myself doing, 27:08 but I didn't know why. 27:10 But they just worked. 27:11 And one was an abdominal technique. 27:13 Then I picked up a copy of Acupuncture Today and apparently it was Dr. 27:17 Baer's abdominal treatment. 27:21 You do this for a while and you start to see what works and what doesn't work quite as well. 27:28 Another time, one of our acupuncturists here does a lot of facial work and many times I walked up to the front desk and said, 27:38 wow, Mary, you look younger. 27:40 And she'll start laughing because she thinks that I know she's been getting facial treatments, but I don't. 27:45 She looks younger, right? 27:47 And the other thing we found with the facial treatment. 27:50 Catherine was doing those at one time. 27:53 And in one month I had like three or four patients come in and I said, how are your migraines? 27:57 And they go, oh, I don't have them anymore. 28:00 Really? 28:00 What happened? 28:01 Well, after Catherine did the treatment on my face, you know, cause it got so much blood flow. 28:07 So they're always fun when you start to realize those. 28:11 That's yes. 28:12 I've had a few like. 28:15 I had a patient that had chronic tendonitis in his Achilles tendon and one of them had surgery and he didn't want to do it on the other one. 28:22 And so I worked on that for a while. 28:25 As you know, the sinews and the tendons controlled more by the liver and so, I focused more on his liver in supporting that. 28:32 and talking to him about diet and things to support his liver. 28:35 But he came back after about six treatments and he's like, did you do something to my allergies? 28:44 Because I usually have the worst. 28:46 My allergies in the spring are usually just unbearable. 28:50 And he said, they've improved. 28:51 I can't even believe it. 28:53 We didn't really talk about allergies. 28:57 So, and sometimes patients will come in and they feel like they don't want to tell you their whole background because they like that's not related. 29:05 And so if they choose not to talk about it, then we don' really know how to help them. 29:10 But it is fun though when they bring it up and it's like, wow, I could have let you know this would probably help. 29:19 Something that relieved some of my, the burden on my shoulders, I was doing a doctoral program with Dr. 29:27 I'm going to pronounce his name horribly, but Dr Shamin, very famous guy and. 29:34 turned out he was voted the top acupuncturist in all of China. 29:38 I didn't know that fortunately, but we're doing clinic and, and he says, here, do these points. 29:43 And so I did. 29:43 and I said, why those points? 29:45 And he goes, ah, you know, very brusque, kind of older Chinese doctor way. 29:49 So then we had a little round table afterwards, I asked him the question again. 29:52 He said. 29:54 Sometimes you just put the points in and it works. 29:57 Right. 29:57 He said that the noodles are very intelligent. 30:00 They know what to do. 30:02 So I took some of the stress out of my life. 30:05 It's so good. 30:07 Yeah. 30:09 If someone's curious about trying electro acupuncture, how should they go about that? 30:16 Well, I know the Institute that I'm part of has a directory and a lot of people that are taking the classes are on the directory, 30:25 but they could also just do like a AI or Google search or something, just to see who's in their area. 30:32 And I always recommend they call and talk to the office and just see if they get, listen to their gut. 30:39 Are there people connecting with them or are they, and then looking at their, maybe their credentials and what kind of training have they had? 30:49 And there's several of them out there. 30:51 There's two acupuncturists that work in my office that really like the Lombardi electro acupuncture training and they feel it's even superior to the one 31:02 I've been taking with Dr. 31:03 Steiner. 31:04 So I think there's a lot of different training out there and different beliefs, like the different frequencies and how they affect things. 31:12 And so, yeah, I, think if they can just look around, they'll find some and then just trying to connect with an office that they, 31:20 feel like they're heard and, you know, actually getting help. 31:26 That's awesome. 31:27 Yeah, I started fairly recently, actually, within the last year or so, putting on my scheduled free discovery calls just for that reason,
Integrating Functional Medicine and Finding a Practitioner 31:36 you know? 31:37 Yeah. 31:38 And sometimes I'm not the right person. 31:39 You know, if I am not right, then I don't want them to come see me, right? 31:43 Yes, that's right. 31:46 giving to our sports and orthopedics department, right? 31:49 And sometimes it's stuff that's right up my alley. 31:52 But at least they get to meet me and talk to me. 31:55 And, you know, maybe they like my personality. 31:57 Maybe they don't. 31:58 but atleast they know what they're getting into. 32:00 So I really like that idea in particular. 32:02 I have a question. 32:05 Have you read any of Dr. 32:06 Han's work, HAN? 32:09 He was in Beijing in the 60s. 32:11 Well, he's the first person that I can find that started publishing the different frequencies for neurotransmitter function, 32:20 opioid release, et cetera. 32:22 And one of his studies. 32:24 just blew me away. 32:25 I thought it was so brilliant. 32:26 He was a neuroscientist, and then started studying acupuncture and electroacupuncture. 32:32 But he did a lot of work on rats. 32:34 And so with rats, they test pain at that time, I don't know if they still do, by giving them something good to eat, then shining a hot light at their nose. 32:44 They time how long it takes them to turn away, so the more pain, the they turn. 32:49 So they time the rat, how often he's turning away. 32:53 And then they did electro acupuncture and the pain threshold changed completely. 32:58 Like he could eat about four times long. 33:00 Okay, that's cool. 33:01 But then he took cerebrospinal fluid from that rat, injected into another rat and they had the same pain. 33:09 Threshold as the first rat. 33:11 So in his mind, it proved that it was chemicals, you know, at least for pain that were being released into the cerebro spinal fluid. 33:18 I was just blown away, I thought that was so brilliant. 33:21 right I have heard this but I've never read any of his information I would love to hear or read more and learn that sounds I don't remember where I heard 33:31 about that particular It was in some class that I did sometime, but I then looked him up and he, one of the things he was famous for is he worked on many 33:41 different types of animals and they all had the same responses. 33:45 They had this same release of certain neurotransmitters for certain frequencies. 33:50 And so I just thought that was very, very very cool. 33:53 So you might want to check him out. 33:54 He's a fun guy, Dr. 33:55 Hahn. 33:55 I'll check that out, yeah. 33:58 an institute with the same name as the institute that you went to, right? 34:03 But it's in Beijing. 34:04 I'll have to look this up. 34:06 It sounds very interesting. 34:09 Well, it's fun doing these interviews because I learned something every single time. 34:14 And I had one doctor that I was being interviewed by, again, a young guy, very intense, you know, really committed to what he's doing. 34:22 I started talking about how we do things diagnostically that they can't do, right? 34:28 And so with functional medicine, I do all these lab tests, but You can't replace the tongue and pulse. 34:35 And so I talked to him about pulse diagnosis and what you can feel there. 34:39 He said, no, really? 34:41 I said oh yeah. 34:42 I'm telling him all about it. 34:43 Can you send me the names of three people who teach that? 34:46 And I did and he took one of their courses. 34:50 That's awesome. 34:52 So cool. 34:55 How would people get ahold of you? 34:58 What's the best way? 34:59 Do they want to come see you or? 35:01 We have a website and a lot of people book online or they can call my office and I can give you, just call the office or just go to our website book it 35:13 and we have Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn and it's under Calm Spirit Integrative Wellness. 35:20 Calm spirit integrative wellness. 35:22 And you're in Colorado? 35:24 Yes, in Arvada, Colorado. 35:27 Excellent. 35:30 You've got a very impressive looking staff. 35:33 I looked at your website and I was, like I said, just blown away by the variety of practitioners as well as their bios, but you cover pretty much everything. 35:44 It's been fun to work together and I feel like we have a great team. 35:47 Now we've been just, we collaborate well and it's just fun, to learn from each other and help each. 35:53 Other. 35:54 I try to, when people start, have them do multiple treatments and even, you know, with even our skincare as the Titian, she's have over 20 years of experience 36:04 having her own skincare line. 36:06 And she's very into holistic natural healing and so not just all the, you know, chemicals and things that a lot of people are doing. 36:14 And so it's been so fun just to learn from each other, like you said, and help each to help patients. 36:20 Yeah. 36:21 I used to rent several rooms from a chiropractor and at that time in California, they really liked acupuncture. 36:29 They changed the laws, so now it's harder to do. 36:32 But I was doing a lot of worker's comp and usually she was late. 36:37 So no matter who was scheduled to see her first, I would end up seeing the patient first.
Research, Closing Thoughts, and Contact Info 36:42 And so then one time she happened to be on time and so she saw the patient and afterwards she came over and said, oh my God, 36:49 they have to see you first every time. 36:51 It's so much easier for me to do my chiropractic work because they're so relaxed. 36:55 Right? 36:55 Yeah. 36:56 Yeah, that makes sense. 37:00 Well, I'll let you go. 37:01 Any last words you want to add or? 37:04 No, well, thank you for having me. 37:05 I hope just getting more people informed about what we do with acupuncture and with electricity and East End, all the things that it can be so healing 37:14 and it's not scary. 37:17 It can just be, so helpful that they should maybe look at frequency medicine before chemical medicine, or at least check it out. 37:25 Yeah, exactly. 37:26 And I love Tennant, I never met him, but I loved his books. 37:30 In fact, one last thing I want to throw out there. 37:33 A few years ago, there was a special on Einstein, right? 37:36 And they said, when someone asked him, Dr. 37:40 Einstein, what's it like to be the most intelligent man on the planet? 37:44 He said, I don't know. 37:45 You should go ask Mr. 37:46 Tesla. 37:47 And of course, Tesla said it's all vibration, right? 37:50 It's frequency. 37:52 Yes, that makes sense. 37:55 I love that they have looked a lot at what Tesla taught and even this Dr Jeremy, he actually mentored with Albert Einstein's grandson, 38:11 George Einstein. 38:12 If you look up George, Einstein, it will say that he did research with electricity for HIV. 38:20 And he says they've destroyed a lot of his information. 38:24 They wouldn't let him publish it because he had found a of things that were healing people and they didn't, they wanted to use more chemical medicine instead 38:33 of frequency. 38:34 Well, most of Tesla's writings and studies have not gotten to the public. 38:39 You know, they were grabbed up right away after he passed away. 38:41 So, okay. 38:44 Well thank you so much for being on here. 38:46 I learned a lot and mostly that you're a delightful person and I wish I had knew more people that I could refer to you, but we'll see. 38:55 Well, thank you. 38:56 This was fun and it was neat to get to talk to you, have a good one. 38:59 Okay, take care. 39:00 Thank you for joining me on The Balancing Point. 39:03 If you enjoyed today's episode, please follow the show, share it with a friend, and leave a review. 39:12 Feeling out of balance? 39:13 Most approaches just manage symptoms. 39:17 Here we get to the root. 39:19 So real healing, real clarity and balance can begin. 39:24 Visit alamedaacupuncture.com. 39:27 That's alamedaacupuncture dot com to learn more, explore our supplements or book a call. 39:34 We'd love to hear from you.
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