Full Transcript Introduction to Weber Medical and Integrative Cancer Care 0:00 Well, this is going to be an absolute treat to have Robert Weber with me here. 0:03 He is the the second generation of Webber technology. 0:07 And this is the kind of technology that I use at my center, 0:12 the foundation of the majority of my integrative cancer therapies. 0:17 And so we're going to dig deep into what what we actually do here at the Carl 0:21 Full Center and what many clinics do all over the world 0:25 to really address this, this big issue called cancer. 0:29 So, Robert, thank you so much for being with me here today. 0:33 Yeah, thank you very much for having me. 0:35 And yeah, I'm looking forward to 0:37 share a little bit about our experience, especially with cancer, 0:41 with cancer treatment, as this is actually one of the most promising areas 0:44 when it comes to photodynamic therapy and photo bio modulation. 0:48 And yeah, we're happy to inform patients, clinicians 0:51 what they can do with laser therapy for cancer, 0:55 because that is a challenge when you deal with cancer. 0:58 Yeah, it is to be able to find effective 1:02 therapeutic therapies that are non harmful. 1:06 That is not destructive because right now when you go into the traditional 1:12 oncology model, we know most destructive and all radiation is destructive. 1:17 You know surgery obviously is destructive because you're cutting. 1:19 So the the less we need to do that the better. 1:24 And it doesn't mean that that is not necessary at some point. 1:27 But if we can then bring in technology to either enhance the efficacy 1:33 of some of these traditional oncology 1:36 therapies, or we can also add in addition, 1:39 because there are people now to come to centers like myself 1:43 that look for therapies that are outside of the medical model. 1:47 So tell me a little bit for someone that is not familiar with photodynamic 1:52 therapy and the laser therapy, what are the principles behind that? 1:58 Yeah. 1:58 First of all, you absolutely right.
How Photodynamic Therapy Works 2:00 In general, laser therapy also called photo bio modulation, is a therapy 2:06 which is working in great synergy 2:07 with many treatments in the field of integrative cancer therapy. 2:11 So what you already mentioned, if you're working with infusion therapies, 2:15 ozone therapies, all the things that integrative centers are offering, 2:19 if you add photo by modulation, especially intravenous laser therapy, 2:23 on a systemic level, you can really boost the things you are already giving in, 2:28 like infusions. 2:29 When you open a micro circulation with the lasers, just all the things 2:33 you are giving into the body are absorbed in a more effective way. 2:36 And basically you can always gain some extra percent to enhance 2:39 the effectiveness of the other therapies. 2:41 So this is something like a general effect of the laser syrupy. 2:45 But then of course, when we talk about cancer, 2:47 we also need to talk about photodynamic therapy 2:50 because this is a more focused approach. 2:54 I would say here we have a two fold approach. 2:56 We are giving so-called photosensitive, 2:59 which are binding to tumor cells or to cancer in the body. 3:02 And then in the second step, you use the light to basically 3:05 activate them and kill the cancer cells. 3:08 And the beauty of this approach is that it's highly selective. 3:12 And so you in the end you don't harm healthy tissue. 3:14 And that's a big difference compared to chemo radiation. 3:17 What you already mentioned 3:18 that you're really only targeting the cancer cells that tumor cells. 3:22 And this is an accepted therapy also in conventional medicine 3:26 especially in dermatology. 3:27 But the main challenges always get deep enough into the tissue. 3:31 And this is what we developed over the last 10 or 15 years 3:34 with our advanced laser technology, to be able 3:38 to also target tumor tissue deeper inside the body. 3:43 And that, like you're mentioning, the the challenge 3:46 has been to get a photo sensitized to the to the tumor. 3:50 Yeah. When it's not as skin surface. 3:53 And then to be able to deliver enough energy into that tumor 3:58 when it is deeper in the body to be able to trigger that photodynamic effect 4:04 that you're talking about, where that is done, destructive to cancer cells. 4:08 So what are some things that that you have done because you're part of? 4:13 I mean, you've had a development of research and all of that. 4:16 Now taking on the, you know, the task after your father, Doctor Michael Weber. 4:22 So what are some of the challenges that have been photodynamic therapy 4:26 that you brought technology to overcome now? 4:30 Yeah, the two main challenges are, on the one 4:33 hand, to develop good for good, selective photosensitive. 4:38 And then, of course, the laser technology for the photosensitive. 4:41 You know, there are several photosensitive 4:44 on the market already for 20, 30 years, especially again in their metallurgy 4:48 where you can just have special creams which you can put onto cancer 4:52 and for example, on the skin. 4:54 But if you want to target something deeper inside the body, 4:57 you need a very good photosensitive, which can be given by infusion, 5:02 and which is then basically able to locate the tumor inside the body 5:06 and to bind just in the tumor tissue and not in the healthy tissue. 5:10 And this is something what we not ourselves developed, 5:13 but we have a very good connection and cooperation with some. Hi. 5:17 Great. Yeah. 5:19 Universities here in Germany and Europe, and especially the famous 5:23 University of Marburg, 5:24 had a long standing relationship with the pharmacology department. 5:28 And they work in this research for more than 20 years. 5:32 They published hundreds of studies finding the best formulations of such, 5:37 yeah, photosensitive us, which they can give 5:41 into by infusion into the body, which are nontoxic, 5:44 what is very important, which are very selective to tumor cells 5:47 and which have the right absorption spectrum so that we can target them with 5:52 especially retina, infrared light and deep inside the body. 5:55 So this is the first crucial thing that we developed such photosensitive 5:59 formulations with the universities.
Overcoming Deep-Tissue Treatment Challenges 6:01 And then in the second step of course, where our role 6:04 is the laser manufacturer work in laser technology, in development 6:08 and research for 25 years now we have the best sources for that. 6:13 Yeah, we are basically developed a very first invasive or minimally 6:17 invasive so-called endo laser system, where you can apply lasers like minimal 6:22 evasively into the bloodstream, but also inside of tissue. 6:26 You can go into joints, for example, for regenerative applications, 6:30 but especially in tumors, again, which are deep in the body, 6:34 for example, deeper breast tumors, also bladder tumors. 6:37 We have special technology with special fiber optic light guides 6:41 where we can bring the light directly to the tumor very close 6:45 with high power, because that's the second crucial thing 6:48 that you need enough energy to stimulate the photo sensitize. 6:52 I get this photodynamic reaction and kill the tumor cells. 6:56 And talk to me a little bit about the photo dynamic reaction. 6:59 What what does that look like in a cancer cell? 7:02 What really happens? 7:04 That's basically a physical photochemical reaction 7:07 when the photosensitive is bound to a tumor cell. 7:11 And then the special photosynthesize a you are you are using 7:14 they typically have a very specific light wavelength absorption. 7:18 So this might be mostly in the red laser range or in the infrared. 7:23 And then when the laser light is hitting the cells where the photosensitive 7:27 the is accumulated, there is this reaction happening. 7:30 The photosensitive is brought into an excited state. 7:33 And it's basically oxygen radicals that are built. 7:36 And they are bringing the tumor cell into apoptosis or necrosis. 7:39 So it's a very straightforward approach proven by science for many, many years. 7:44 And again, we have basically been the very first group to really bring this 7:48 into clinical practice for tumors basically anywhere in the body. 7:53 Yeah, I had two of your, 7:56 you know, large laser devices, you know, where we can then bring in. 7:59 And to me, I, I'm in love with the technology 8:02 and I see the effect of people like you're saying is that, you know, 8:06 the beauty of being able to put a intravenous laser 8:11 and then treat the blood as its passing by. 8:14 So you have essentially a sterile environment and you're able, 8:19 instead of pulling out blood and treating the blood 8:21 and then put them back blood again, 8:23 now we're essentially treating blood assets passing by. 8:27 So let's say that blood passes by one spot every every minute, you know, 8:32 so in a 60 minute session you can then treat your whole blood volume 60 times. 8:37 I mean that to me that is just mind boggling. 8:40 Versus if you do like a UB ultraviolet light irradiation, 8:44 you pull out 30 cc or 60 cc a blood and treat that. 8:49 Here you're treating essentially 5000 cc 60 times, you know. 8:55 So 5000 times 60. 8:57 That's that's a lot of treatment. 8:58 Yeah. Versus just that. 8:59 So to me that is just so elegant and phenomenal. 9:03 And then like you're saying to be able then to bring these laser diodes, 9:08 these laser needles, you know, to the tumor tissue 9:11 now using whether it's breast or prostate to colorectal or and now even 9:17 you have some, some fiber optic that you can bring down in the esophagus. 9:21 And you talked about bladder as well. 9:24 Yeah. It's basically a similar approach. 9:26 You just put in a regular bladder catheter. 9:29 And then we have this special circular irradiating fiber optic cable 9:33 which you could use in the receiver, but also in the colon. 9:36 In the bladder you can go close to the prostate. 9:39 So this is a nice sterile development or a nice sterile tool 9:43 where you can apply lasers with very high power inside the bladder 9:47 or inside the colon, and treat those tumors directly with high energy. 9:52 Again. 9:53 And therefore we see 9:54 actually very good results, especially in bladder or column cancers. 9:59 And you're mentioning the red light and infrared light. 10:02 You know, why is it important to utilize photosensitive 10:07 that relate to those frequencies red and infrared. 10:11 Yeah. 10:11 Because there are a lot of different photosensitive out there. 10:15 But why why really target that that group. 10:20 Yeah of course you're right. 10:21 There are also other 10:22 photosensitive us in the blue or yellow range like cumin or hypera. 10:27 Those can actually be used as well, but mostly in the bloodstream. 10:30 So just to add to the points you already mentioned 10:33 about the intravenous laser, this is also nice, of course, 10:37 because it's an additional tool to boost the immune system. 10:40 So also here it's a bit different compared to conventional treatment. 10:43 You're not like bringing down the immune system, 10:46 but when you do the intravenous laser you're boosting your immune system. 10:49 You stimulate mitochondria 10:51 so patients even get more energy and not like in other treatments 10:54 when they really get chronic fatigue and totally low of energy. 10:58 So that's also a very big difference.
Infrared ICG and Selective Tumor Targeting 11:01 And with the intravenous laser therapy, also important to mention when you use it 11:05 with photosensitive, you can also get rid of like co-infections in the bloodstream. 11:10 You know that's very often also a problem with cancer patients. 11:12 So you can create very nice protocols with this photodynamic therapy. 11:17 Yeah. 11:17 But coming back to your question when we talk about local tumor 11:21 tissue treatment, 11:23 red and infrared is most important mainly because of penetration depth. 11:27 So again blue yellow colors ultraviolet can be used intravenous 11:31 when you're directly in the blood. 11:33 But if you're in the tissue 11:34 and you want to penetrate the tissue, you want to penetrate into a tumor. 11:38 You need light which is able to penetrate tissue in a more effective way. 11:43 And that's actually mostly red and infrared. 11:45 Light and infrared is the best because it's even able to penetrate bone tissues 11:51 or just think of bone metastases, think of brain tumors. 11:54 You would just need to use infrared light. 11:57 And therefore, our main focus 11:59 over the last couple of years and has been using IndusInd in green 12:03 as a photosensitive substance absorbing infrared light. 12:07 And this has just proven to be the most effective 12:10 photodynamic treatment for us in clinical practice. 12:14 Yeah. 12:14 And that that that's one of my, my favorite ones just because it is so, 12:19 so well distributed into tumor tissue 12:22 you can introduce it intravenous obviously like we mentioned. 12:26 And you can also then inject the tumor environment, the tumor you know 12:31 with photosensitive to really create that that high concentration. 12:35 And then utilizing then like you're mentioning the infrared 12:39 having that that longer wavelength which allows them 12:43 to penetrate deeper into the tissue so that you can reach that, that, 12:47 that deeper and deeper metastases to get as much energy there as possible. 12:53 I know one of the challenges with the cyanide green 12:57 is that traditionally, and it's a photosensitive 13:00 that has been used medically for a long period of time. 13:05 So it's not in itself it's not new. 13:07 But you were talking about the relationship that you have 13:10 then with the farm, you know, the pharmacy department and the university 13:15 there in Germany, you developed quite a unique form of ICG 13:19 in an unsigned green that actually stays in the tissue 13:24 for a little bit longer than just quickly just fleshing out 13:27 to give us opportunity to treat that, you know, that tumor 13:30 for a little bit longer period of time and more effectively. 13:34 Yeah, that's absolutely right. 13:36 We knew from all the basic research what you already mentioned that in the signing, 13:39 renal ICG is a pretty effective photosensitive absorbing infrared light. 13:44 So this is exactly what we were looking for. 13:46 And because there are no other substances I know about which are absorbing 13:49 infrared light. 13:50 But yeah, again the main issue was that regular ICG free ICG, 13:55 when you give it by infusion, it has a very short metabolism 13:59 and therefore it's flushed out immediately. 14:01 So that's what the university in Marburg did for us. 14:04 It created very special, unique 14:05 liposomal formulations to make it selectively bind to tumor cells 14:10 and also stay in the tissue in the tumor tissue for a longer period of time. 14:14 So it's leaving the healthy tissue staying in the tumor tissue. 14:17 Then you put the light. 14:18 And this way 14:19 you have this amazing selective approach without harming any healthy cells. 14:24 And again, that's a big difference. 14:25 You even boost the immune system with the additional protocol. 14:28 And therefore you can create very nice and nontoxic tumor protocols with it. 14:34 Yeah. 14:35 And then 14:36 yeah, we're 14:37 talking about the photodynamic, you know talking about the photo by modulation. 14:41 So obviously then in the tissue or if we're doing it intravenously, 14:47 you know, where you have done the photo sensitized or whatever 14:49 it attaches to, you know, which tends to be then cancer cells. 14:53 Or you also talked about infections, co-infections 14:57 like different viruses, bacteria, etc.. 15:01 And I know you did a lot of studies in regards 15:04 to during the era of Covid utilizing, you know, photosensitive 15:08 and then using the light that that was appropriate for that. 15:12 So you can then use if you can't get that photo by modulating effect 15:17 on healthy tissue that does not have the photosensitive or attached to it, 15:21 and then get the photodynamic effect on the substances, you know, 15:26 like the viruses, bacteria, cancer cells that the photosensitive attaches to. 15:31 So you can get both healthy tissues benefited pathogens. 15:36 Cancer cells are attacked. 15:38 So that's that's a that's a beauty when when you're using the laser. 15:43 So can you talk to me a little bit about the the infectious aspect. 15:46 And during Covid 15:48 what kind of tools and how how effective it was the therapies that you were doing. 15:53 Yeah. 15:53 So this field is called antimicrobial photodynamic therapy. 15:57 And the mechanism of action is basically the same like a tumor therapy. 16:01 You have a good photo sensitized again a selective substance 16:05 which you can give by infusion. 16:07 Or there are also oral photosensitive available. 16:10 And they bind to microbes to pathogens in the bloodstream. 16:14 And so what you already mentioned 16:15 we made a lot of good research on parasites on viruses. 16:19 And there's a lot of in vitro lab research available showing 16:23 that this approach is basically killing all different types of viruses. 16:26 Envelope one, envelope viruses, all different types of aggressive 16:30 parasites and bacteria in a very selective way. 16:34 And also here we have this very nice 16:36 approach that we can use very safe, nontoxic substances. 16:40 I guess many of you know riboflavin, which is just vitamin B two. 16:44 So it's a natural vitamin and it's absolutely nontoxic. 16:48 We have all the safety data available 16:51 and you can give it high those by infusion or also take it orally, 16:55 but it won't do anything basically just maybe give you some vitamin boost.
Antimicrobial Photodynamic Therapy and Immune Support 17:00 But what most people don't know is that 17:03 it's absorbing blue and ultraviolet light. 17:06 And again, when we are in the bloodstream, we can also use those lower 17:10 wavelengths of light. 17:11 And if you give an infusion of riboflavin, you leave it in the circulation 17:16 for about 30 minutes, wait for it to bind to the pathogens in the bloodstream. 17:21 And then you insert by this fiber optic light, 17:23 get into the bloodstream, the blue and ultraviolet light. 17:26 You basically can get rid of all those circulating pathogens in the bloodstream. 17:31 Again this has been proven in multiple studies in lab data, but also from us. 17:36 Basically, we did the very first human clinical studies with large clinical 17:41 or with large patients population, showing both safety 17:45 but also efficacy against all different types of pathogens. 17:49 And yeah, as we work with so many clinics now all over the world, 17:52 not only in integrative cancer therapy, but also on chronic and acute infections, 17:57 and we just get amazing feedback for those protocols. 18:00 So either if you're a cancer patient suffering from co-infections 18:04 or if you're just suffering from very chronic infection 18:07 like Lyme disease and all those things, the antimicrobial photodynamic 18:11 therapy is the very, very potent tool which can get rid of those infections. 18:16 And what you also mentioned already, it's boosting the immune system. 18:19 It's bringing back the energy. 18:21 It's helping with brain fog and all those typical related symptoms. 18:24 So it's also very nice tool for chronic infection. 18:29 Yeah that's what I love. 18:30 Yeah. You're talking about intravenously. 18:33 You can then you can tag these different pathogens. 18:36 And then using the specific wavelength riboflavin 18:40 that connects with blue and ultraviolet. 18:43 And you know they attach to the pathogen. 18:45 And then you can then use intravenous blue. 18:49 And that's that's a beauty with your technology. 18:52 It's not just kind of red light infrared light. 18:54 You have the ultra violet. 18:56 You have the blue, you have the green, you have the yellow, 18:59 the red and the infrared. 19:00 So it's that whole spectrum. 19:02 And we know our mitochondria are they they require that whole spectrum 19:07 to really drive energy through itself and talking about the immune system. 19:12 As for them treating the bloodstream, white blood cells, 19:15 you know, your immune system, they have mitochondria too. 19:18 So ask your then treating your blood your essentially you know, creating 19:23 you know, lazy retired exhausted immune cells. 19:28 You know and then you're super up there their mitochondria. 19:31 So they're now they are the, you know, special forces 19:35 ready to go and go after cancer cells and go after pathogens. 19:38 So you have that aspect that you're super up, then your immune system 19:43 and you're having the photodynamic effect to kind of remove that, that load. 19:48 You know, we talk a lot about the terrain and cancer 19:51 and how pathogens are are part of that terrain. 19:55 So if if the immune system is overburdened by all these pathogens, 20:00 you know, then they they are not going to have time and energy 20:04 to deal with the cancer in addition to these pathogens 20:08 are really driving then the kind of the tumor microenvironment 20:12 to promote the cancer to be as aggressive as possible. 20:16 So we can shift that process. 20:18 And that is the beauty with that photodynamic is that, you know, 20:21 just that intravenous therapy, it hits a body in so many different ways. 20:26 Can you share. 20:27 So we talked about the kind of the oxidative effect, you know, 20:30 the production of reactive oxygen species, you know, within the tumor. 20:35 But are there other mechanisms as well 20:38 that can be really beneficial when you are addressing cancer. 20:42 Yeah of course. 20:43 So by using the different colors, especially intravenous, 20:46 there are many things happening on a cellular level. 20:48 Basically you already addressed a lot of them. 20:51 So again there's a stimulation of mitochondria. 20:54 We have the we have light sensitive chromophore in our cells 20:58 which are absorbing different wavelengths of light. 21:00 So first of all we enhance 21:02 cellular activity cellular energy production in the mitochondria. 21:06 We create more ATP and therefore we just have more energy. 21:10 And of course 21:10 from that full cascade of positive effects are happening in the body. 21:15 So this is one of the main effects of intravenous or systemic laser therapy. 21:19 But then of course, again 21:20 by using that you're also opening the whole micro circulation. 21:24 You have a better detoxification of the body. 21:26 You have this entire pathogen effect. 21:28 You create nice synergies. 21:30 What we already mentioned, when you give other nutrients 21:32 infusions into the body, they work in a more effective way. 21:36 When you combine it with systemic laser therapy, 21:40 then we also know that 21:41 laser therapy is enhancing body's own stem cell activity. 21:45 And so the whole regenerative potential of the body is boosted significantly. 21:50 And this of course, also helps in many different ways 21:53 to restore balance in the body and to help the body fight. 21:57 Also bad cells like cancer cells. 21:59 You have this immuno stimulative effect you already we already talked about, 22:03 which is very well proven in in scientific research. 22:07 And then of course with blue light 22:08 you have very strong anti-inflammatory effects. 22:11 Also, when you have chronic inflammation, you can focus on blue light 22:15 to bring the bring down those inflammatory processes in the body. 22:19 And of course with yellow what we already mentioned, you have those detox effects. 22:23 You also have a positive effect on the hormone system. 22:25 Also with chronic fatigue people. 22:27 Also, when you're suffering from cancer, 22:29 very often you suffer from mental issues from depression. 22:32 Also here the yellow light has significant effects. 22:35 And therefore you can again, by combining all those different wavelengths, 22:39 you can create very potent, very unique protocols 22:43 focusing on specific conditions or side effects. 22:47 And one of the things a lot of people are concerned about that we know that 22:50 chemo, radiation surgery really does not address our cancer stem cells. 22:56 You know, that does photodynamic therapy, 22:59 does it have any impact on cancer stem cells? 23:02 Is there anything that you've seen in that area? 23:06 Well, as 23:06 far as I know, there is some research available on that. 23:09 So in general, I would say 23:11 photodynamic reaction also works against cancer stem cells. 23:15 But we did not have any or we don't have any clinical measurements in that regard. 23:20 So far. 23:21 So from theoretical point of view I would say yes. 23:24 But I think we need a little bit more research into that direction. 23:30 And so we talk now 23:32 about kind of the the destructive aspect. 23:35 You know, the photodynamic is this something. 23:38 And then obviously clinics like myself, you know, we 23:41 we bring a lot of these different tools. 23:43 We have these, you know, unique photosensitive. 23:47 And we also combine it with other therapies, 23:49 you know, like curcumin, like EGCg. 23:52 You know, there's so many different therapies that we kind of bring 23:56 and kind of layer these therapies for kind of the benefit of the individual.
Systemic Laser Effects and Cancer Support 24:02 Do you have some some stories in regards to what you've seen? 24:07 Obviously, I can tell a lot of my stories, but that you have seen 24:10 with the clinics that you work with and obviously what your father is doing 24:15 at your center there in Germany, the impact on people. 24:19 Yeah. 24:19 Well, you know, cancer is still our main, the main focus in our clinic 24:23 here in Germany. 24:24 We are working in this field now for 10 or 15 years 24:27 with all those different developments, starting with different photos. 24:31 Sensitize us now with this IG protocol we already talked about for 7 or 8 years. 24:36 And yeah, you know, it's pretty effective. 24:39 We don't even have a website. 24:40 We don't make any marketing for that. 24:42 But people are just reaching out to us because they talk to each other. 24:45 And the feedback, 24:46 the overall feedback we're getting is, I would say, very positive. 24:50 Of course, cancer is always difficult, as you know, many people going for this 24:55 kind of alternative route are very often also people in a relatively late stage. 25:00 So also here, the earlier you decide for such a treatment, it's 25:04 even more promising. 25:05 But even with late stage four cancer, we still see very good results. 25:09 We basically always see a reduction in tumor size, significant improvement 25:14 in life quality, for sure. 25:15 That's what we already talked about compared to other chemo radiation 25:19 therapies, you really lift the mood of the patient. 25:22 You bring back the energy. 25:23 And this is what we basically see in every patient. 25:27 And we basically help. 25:29 Yeah, giving the body back the ability to fight the cancer. 25:33 And of course it's still a long journey and it's not a miracle therapy, 25:37 but I feel like it's nontoxic. 25:39 It's something you just if you're fighting for cancer, 25:42 you should always target from different angles for sure. 25:45 But this photodynamic tool is just one of the most powerful 25:49 and unique approaches right now in cancer therapy. 25:53 And yeah, I would always consider that at least as an additional therapy. 25:58 And that's the thing is that cancer is still that it is not solved. 26:03 We we haven't figured out all the ways that we need to address it. 26:07 And so it's I think at this point we have we have so much technology. 26:12 We have so much I mean, the tools that are available now compared to like 26:16 two decades ago in integrative oncology space is just phenomenal. 26:20 And I think that this is probably the photodynamic. 26:24 I think that is kind of the leading next step in 26:28 in the evolution of addressing cancer using non harmful tools. 26:33 And the beauty is I think it's more as providers, 26:36 what we're doing now is learning how to stack things. 26:40 You know, how to appropriately combine it with different if just do 26:45 the goal infusions like I mentioned a few the curcumin bozella gold e.g. 26:52 see you know and learning how to kind of bring these things 26:55 together in a in the best possible way. 26:58 And then obviously, you know, it's not saying do this or traditional oncology. 27:03 It is essentially finding the perfect blend between these different therapies 27:09 and then how to stack them most effectively. 27:12 And I think that that is what we are currently learning, 27:16 all of us, you know, because yes, I've been doing this. 27:19 How long has been has it been seven years? 27:21 It's been a bit 7 or 8 years I think so, yeah. 27:24 And you know, we just need more pioneering clinicians like you. 27:28 So if you're a clinician and listening now to our conversation here, 27:31 we just need more people working in this potential is tremendous. 27:35 You can help so many patients with that. 27:37 And as Serapis are not even complicated they are not very difficult to perform, 27:41 especially when we talk 27:42 about the basic protocols like IV laser in combination with infusion. 27:46 You can already stack your existing protocols in such an effective way. 27:50 But then also we are always happy to help with education at our conferences 27:54 or to where you are always lecturing to really assist people, to educate 27:58 clinicians so they can also offer those very advanced photodynamic therapy. 28:03 Even the advanced 28:04 protocols are not too difficult to perform some basic training with us. 28:08 Join us at our conferences. 28:09 Then you can apply them with your patients. 28:12 And yeah. 28:13 Believe me, believe Michael, you can make a big impact 28:16 on cancer patients with photodynamic therapy. 28:19 Yeah. 28:20 And the thing is that we we're not short on cancer patients. 28:25 Now, there there it is. One. 28:27 I mean, we're moving towards almost one 28:29 out of two being diagnosed at some point of their life. 28:32 So, you know, to me this is a a call for all the providers out there 28:37 to, you know, 28:38 really look into this type of technology and bring that into your practice. 28:43 Because I feel that as more of us are bringing these type of tools in, 28:48 we can collaborate and then also be much more effective in what we're doing. 28:53 And so, you know, for for me, you know, I see 28:57 tremendous impact on on my cancer patients. 29:00 You know, I have patients that are essentially, 29:04 you know, to come in wheelchairs and walking and also have, 29:08 you know, patients that are kind of at the end, their cancer journey 29:12 with traditional oncology. 29:13 And now they're they're doing well and they're out there with their grandkids. 29:18 And so it is a powerful tool. 29:21 Not saying that there is a tool that is a be all, end all. 29:25 That's not what it is. 29:26 It is how to utilize these tools in a way, 29:30 alongside with other therapeutics to optimize the, the effect. 29:35 So and that that's what I, what I love. 29:38 So if you're provider out there and this is 29:41 you have a passion to really help people and and obviously cancer is I would say 29:46 that's kind of the one of the peaks in regards to, 29:49 you know, suffering in regards to ailments. 29:52 You know, it's kind of like a progression and that's kind of a late stage 29:56 in regards to disease. 29:57 But but then also like you mentioned, yeah, a lot of people
Home Use Laser Devices and Oral Photosensitizers 30:00 dealing with Lyme disease, a lot of people dealing with, you know, Epstein-Barr 30:05 virus, a lot of these mold, you know, parasites, infectious agents. 30:09 And so just to have this tool for that alone is really powerful as well. 30:14 So I'm thrilled to bits that we are that, you know, the 30:19 what you have done to shoulder this responsibility to bring this 30:23 technology forward so that a clinic like myself can utilize my patients. 30:28 But then obviously we we have also personal use. 30:32 You know, you have patients that are then leaving a clinic 30:36 and they are want to continue to have the benefit, or maybe they don't 30:40 have the opportunity to go to clinic and then want to be able to benefit 30:45 from these type of therapeutics at home, you know, what would that look like? 30:49 I mean, do you have technology for the the regular Joe out there that really want 30:54 to benefit from the photo by modulation aspect and the photodynamic aspect? 30:59 Yeah, absolutely. 31:00 That's also something 31:01 what we developed, especially during or on this cancer journey because. 31:05 So in our clinic we have so many people coming from all over the world, 31:09 international patients suffering from cancer or other chronic disease. 31:12 And then they come for 1 or 2 treatments for 1 or 2 weeks of treatment, 31:16 for very intense treatment, and you get a very good effect. 31:19 But of course, what you already mentioned is then they go back home and, 31:22 you know, in such a disease like cancer or other chronic infection, 31:25 you very often just need an ongoing treatment. 31:28 And of course, sometimes they have a provider, 31:31 a clinic nearby, which we can recommend where they can still continue 31:34 getting intravenous laser or infusion therapies. 31:37 But what is even better, of course, if you have something at home 31:40 which you can use every day for maintaining the effect, 31:43 but also for prevention against metastasis and things like that, 31:47 and therefore we created also special home use home care technology. 31:52 First of all, we created a small systemic 31:55 laser device, which you basically wear on the inside of your wrist. 31:58 It looks a little bit like a watch. 32:00 Maybe I can share my screen for a second and show a picture, so then it should. 32:06 And the beauty with the watch is that you have bloodstream 32:09 passes by very closely to the skin right here. 32:12 So as you have the watch and on that area, 32:15 you're continually treating the blood as it's passing by. 32:18 And then if you combine that with different photosensitive 32:22 like curcumin or a chlorophyl type. 32:26 Yeah. There it is. 32:28 Yeah. Exactly. 32:29 So here you see it looks a little bit like a watch, but it's actually not a 32:32 watch. 32:33 It's a powerful laser device which you wear on the inside of your wrist 32:36 where you have relatively thin skin, but a very high blood volume in the arteries. 32:41 And then you have a lasers focus, real lasers, not LEDs. 32:45 So that's a big difference 32:46 compared to other cheaper technology which you find in the internet. 32:50 This is really laser technology with different wavelengths 32:53 sitting on the arteries and trading in a very focused way. 32:56 And therefore you achieve also very positive systemic effects. 33:00 So of course intravenous data therapy is more effective 33:03 in general as it's more powerful and directly in the bloodstream. 33:07 But this is a very nice continuing routine for home use. 33:10 If you do this every day for an hour or so, you bring still 33:14 a good amount of energy into the tissue, into the bloodstream, 33:18 and therefore you can have create similar effects like every day, 33:21 some extra energy, cellular energy, every day stimulating the immune system. 33:26 You can combine it. 33:27 You know, many of you probably will take daily supplements, nutraceuticals like 33:31 oral cumin it 33:34 g riboflavin orally. 33:36 So all the substances we already talked about, 33:38 they are very often available in very good oral form. 33:42 And then you take this weight 33:43 for about 45 to 60 minutes until it's going through the circulation. 33:47 And then you do this tool on the, on the bloodstream. 33:51 And then you still create smaller photodynamic effects for prevention 33:55 against metastasis or for treating, pathogens in the bloodstream. 33:59 But again, you're also just boosting your immune system and the cellular activity. 34:03 And if you do this very every day you have a mazing effects for prevention 34:07 and for still treating also chronic disease. 34:10 And this is just a very nice tool which is not too expensive and something 34:15 basically the whole family can use at home in a very effective way. 34:19 And therefore this became very popular over the last couple of years. 34:23 Basically, all the cancer patients or people suffering from chronic disease 34:27 coming to our clinic. 34:28 In the end, they go home with a package, with this little device, 34:32 with the proper photosensitive, the in the oral form. 34:36 Also here we have created with the university 34:40 very good oral formulation of the supplements. 34:42 And yeah, by using them before in combination 34:46 with that you can just create auto photodynamic effects. 34:50 What you see here we work with this so-called bio brand. 34:54 So this is actually created by one of those 34:56 leading scientists from the university we already talked about. 35:00 So they are not only doing highly effective intravenous 35:04 formulations, but also now very good liposomal oral formulations. 35:09 There is a special liquid supplements or nutraceuticals. 35:13 They have both where are green tea extract but also some more. 35:17 And yeah, you drink this before using the laser 35:20 and you create your own, basically your own small 35:23 photodynamic protocol at home for everyday use. 35:26 In this way 35:26 you can maintain the clinical effect, you can have a good preventive effect. 35:31 And I think that's also something what you recommend to your patients. 35:34 I do yeah I have I love the bias normal products. 35:38 And yeah we have patients on that. 35:40 And the thing like the curcumin for instance, we know 35:43 the Bible of curcumin is not that high. 35:47 Usually what you see on the market, they throw a little bit black pepper 35:50 in it, you know, and then, you know, say that that is what's going to enhance it. 35:54 You know, the the bias soma is wonderful in the way that it is a
Laser vs LED and Brain Helmet Therapy 36:01 particle. 36:02 So it is a becomes a very, very tiny particle of curcumin 36:06 that's able to penetrate within. 36:08 I mean, I, I can't remember the studies, but 36:12 it was a ridiculous amount. 36:15 I mean, it was unbelievable amount of cumin that ended up in the bloodstream, 36:20 you know, from doing that. 36:21 And we've also see that if we 36:24 if you do high enough of a dosage of that, 36:27 it is almost like you're doing the immunotherapy like a Keytruda. 36:32 Yeah. 36:32 The Pd-l1 type of, of inhibitor. 36:34 So it is phenomenal. 36:36 And then combining that with the laser technology that the watch IV counts 36:40 are really, really powerful tool at home. 36:43 So and talk to me a little bit about the difference 36:47 between LED and laser because that that's a big difference. 36:51 And here I want people to understand there's a difference. 36:54 You have watches that you can buy inexpensively 36:57 that does LED, but this is laser technology. 37:01 So what is the difference between the two? 37:05 The main difference between 37:06 LED and laser is that laser is coherent light. 37:10 So it's the light is in a special order in a very focused order. 37:14 And in the end the laser is very focused on its penetrating the tissue 37:19 in a focused way. It's just penetrating deeper. 37:21 And that's the main differentiator compared to LEDs. 37:24 LEDs are also monochromatic light. 37:27 So that means just emitting one specific color. 37:30 But LEDs are a little bit more in simple terms, chaotic diffuser flight. 37:34 So this is more like yeah, shining into different directions. 37:37 And as soon as it's hitting the target, it's spreading a lot and therefore it's 37:41 staying more in the superficial areas of the tissue lasers, 37:45 like in a very focused way and penetrate really deep into the tissue. 37:49 But especially when we want to target tissue from outside. 37:52 The skin is the main barrier. 37:54 It's made from us, from nature, for protecting us. 37:58 And if you want to penetrate the skin tissue, 38:00 you need very specific, highly focused laser technology. 38:04 And this is what we built 38:05 into this new generation watch type device called Anderlecht. 38:09 And this way we just have a very measurable, 38:13 different penetration effect compared to the LEDs. 38:17 This is actually what what you could see on this picture showed before 38:22 that the penetration in the tissue is just significantly higher. 38:25 And this is what you need for a medical effect for targeting the blood cells. 38:30 You need good penetration and therefore you need lazy. 38:32 And I don't know if the audience remember when going through chemistry. 38:37 We're looking at the the atom and you have kind of the nucleus 38:41 and you have the electrons, you know, circulating. 38:43 And then we bring energy to the electrons and it kind of jumps orbits 38:48 to kind of it because it has its able to hold in more energy. 38:51 And then when it kind of goes back into its normal orbit, it releases energy. 38:57 So it's the same thing when you have then substances like your 39:03 your red blood cells, white blood cells, all the different proteins 39:06 and things are passing by in, in your bloodstream here as we are lasers 39:12 that they are kind of jumping orbits in a way. 39:15 They're holding on to that energy from that light. 39:18 And then it travels throughout the body and then it starts to release 39:22 that that energy to really by the system. 39:27 So it's really phenomenal technology. 39:30 And before we hand, I wanted also to talk a little bit about your helmet. 39:34 You know that 39:35 I it's one that the Weber laser helmet we have that here at the center. 39:39 And I mean obviously cognitive issues is a pandemic in itself. 39:45 You know, dementia, Alzheimer's. 39:46 You know, people have TBIs people, you know. 39:49 So can you talk a little bit about that technology? 39:53 Because I think it's so important for people nowadays. 39:57 Yeah, exactly. 39:58 That's also actually one of our other big fields of research right now, 40:01 because it's one of the most promising areas. 40:04 We had a lot of good research already coming out of Harvard University, 40:08 for example, 40:09 showing very beneficial effects of red and infrared light on brain cells. 40:13 So especially when we talk about 40:15 neurodegenerative conditions like dementia or Parkinson's, as very good research 40:20 available, but also for mental issues, for TBI, 40:24 for stroke recovery, for cognitive, for general cognitive function. 40:29 We have good studies on all those things. 40:30 And the crucial question is the same here. 40:33 How do we bring enough energy into the tissue? 40:36 Because when you think about the brain, you have hair, you have skin, 40:39 you have bone. 40:41 So here you really, really need we focus laser technology 40:46 for penetrating into the brain. 40:48 There are many other devices on the market, but they are basically 40:51 all working with focused LEDs in the infrared range. 40:55 They work to a certain degree. 40:57 There are also some publications available also for us. 41:01 In the last years we worked with a focused led approach, but again 41:05 the penetration has been limited. 41:07 We had positive effects, but we always knew we could do better 41:11 with better technology and therefore we developed this new laser helmet device. 41:16 What you see here on the pictures over the last couple of years, 41:20 and this is basically the very first real laser brain 41:24 PDM device emitting different wavelengths of red 41:28 and especially infrared lasers in a very focused way. 41:32 And therefore we have the measurement we can penetrate into the brain. 41:36 We can have regenerative effects on brain 41:40 tissue for sure, as it has been proven in all those different publications. 41:44 But it's also relevant in cancer, of course, with red infrared, 41:48 again, you can use InDesign in green photosensitive. 41:51 You could even think about method in blue as a photosensitive. 41:55 And this way you can also treat red tumors with that. 41:58 And we actually just had a very good positive feedback from one patient
Where to Learn More and Final Remarks 42:03 who came to us with with the latest MRI showing 40 lesions in the brain. 42:08 She came for one week treatment course with ICG and the helmet, 42:11 and a couple of weeks after she went back home, 42:15 she did a follow up MRI and the lesions went down to just two. 42:19 So this was the most impressive case report we observed so far. 42:23 Obviously it's a pretty new device, so we don't have a lot of data yet. 42:27 But I feel like as this is so promising with a deeper penetration, and when you 42:32 then use the proper protocols, you can really also make use of that 42:37 as a very effective 42:38 tool for brain tumors, probably, again, for neurodegenerative conditions 42:42 where we have millions of people worldwide suffering for something like that. 42:46 And therefore this is something both for clinical use. 42:48 We have a very potent clinical version, but we also have the same device 42:53 as a home care version for people who want to use it at home, 42:56 especially suffering from degenerative conditions like dementia and Parkinson's. 43:00 We are just believe you need an ongoing approach here. 43:03 Even it's even more important, and therefore you can use this 43:07 every day to basically slow down the progression of such a disease. 43:11 And therefore, 43:12 I think this is 43:13 one of the most valuable tools now in the field of photo bio modulation. 43:17 Yeah, a lot of it. 43:19 And where can people go? 43:21 I mean, you have providers, you know, how how should they 43:25 where should they reach out? 43:26 You know, if they are interested in this technology and learn more? 43:31 Yeah. 43:32 Especially I think most of the people listening to us 43:35 now are probably from the US, and therefore a good source is always 43:39 our US website called Vitality systems.com. 43:43 This is our US partner distributor where you find both like an online shop 43:48 for the products we already talked about, like the watches, the helmets. 43:53 But you also find information for clinicians to also find like 43:58 a map for the US where you can find the provider nearby. 44:01 So this is a good website for you. 44:04 But then of course you can also check our website where medical.com, 44:08 which is our European main website where you can find 44:11 more information on social dynamics therapy and photo by modulation. 44:15 You can always reach out to us by email, 44:18 you know, via the website or just info at info. 44:22 We are always here to support. 44:24 Again, that's our main job to educate clinicians to help patients, 44:28 finding the best providers and most effective protocols both for 44:33 for cancer, for chronic infection, for whatever this is your suffering from. 44:38 We are trying our best to help. 44:40 So just feel free to reach out to us. 44:43 Yeah, and I can vouch for having worked with you for many, many years. 44:47 And, you know, Weber Medical that whenever there's a need and whenever you want to 44:53 collaborate, you have that opportunity and the sport is phenomenal. 44:57 So thank you so much, Robert. 45:00 Thank you for shouldering this responsibility after your father. 45:04 Yeah. 45:04 Because I know he's been pushing for a long time in this field. 45:07 And sometimes we need 45:09 just the next generation to step up and take it to the next level. 45:13 And you're truly doing that. 45:15 So thank you so much, Robert, for doing that. 45:17 Yeah. Thank you Michael.
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