The BulletProof Method to Maintain Health and Wellbeing

Dave Asprey

I am well Sanjeev.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

I’m so glad you’re joining me for this Summit. Where are you speaking from?

Dave Asprey

I am on my small permaculture farm outside Victoria, British Columbia.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

Oh wow, you’re in Canada. Then I have a special kinship with you. That’s awesome.

Dave Asprey

Yeah, I’m American, but I’ve been up here for 10 plus years. We just opened our Upgrade Labs and our new restaurant called Upgrade Cafe in Victoria, so been here for a while.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

Oh great, I’m gonna come and visit you. So anyways, our Summit is all about aging and strategies people can can take to remain youthful and slow down the aging process. You’ve really been a pioneer for this. We’re just talked about this, for 10 years. But maybe just take us through, I mean people kind of know your story, but maybe tell us a little about that journey to wellness. Like how did this all began? I assume like 20 years ago or something like that. Is that it?

Dave Asprey

A little bit more than that. When I was a teenager, I started getting fat. I was diagnosed with arthritis in my knees when I was 14. And I remember walking out of that doctor’s room going, I thought that’s what old people got, And I’m just a teenager, but it hurts all the time. And I had gut issues. I was on antibiotics every month for strep throat for 15 years. And I had, by the time I was in my mid 20s, I had been diagnosed with high risk of stroke and heart attack. I had cognitive dysfunction, chronic fatigue syndrome, and let’s see pre-diabetes, and I’m probably missing a couple of other things, but basically my health was trashed, but my career was doing okay. 

And I just said, you know, my doctor just, so I go there, he says, “Maybe you just try to lose weight.” I’m like, “I went on a low fat, low calorie diet. I worked out six days a week an hour and a half a day for 18 months. And I’m still a 46 inch waist. I’m stronger, but fat. I got a 46 inch waist. What’s happening here?” And it was pretty much, “You’re lying. Obviously if you had done that you would have lost weight, therefore you’re eating Snickers bars.” And I fired the doctor. And I said, I’m a computer hacker. I’m just going to do what works. And what I’m doing, doesn’t work. So I’m gonna keep changing it up. I’m gonna try the things that I’m highly skeptical of and I’m going to measure them. And thus, biohacking as a movement was born.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

Yeah, exactly. So that’s, what, how did you do, how did you actually formulate that way of living? The whole Bulletproof or biohacking lifestyle? Like how did that actually happens? Is that through personal experience? I know some of these you were on a journey to looking for solutions.

Dave Asprey

If you were to just go on personal experience, you would never really get very far, because let’s face it, there’s a lot of knowledge out there. So what I did is I was introduced to an anti-aging nonprofit research group called the Silicon Valley Health Institute today. And I started learning from people three or more times my age. And these are people who were getting younger and pretty soon they said, “Hey Dave, can you be president or a board member?” And so for more than 10 years, I ran a group where we’d bring leading experts in what is now called functional medicine into the Bay Area, and I’d get to interview them on stage. And I learned from them. And most of the biohacking techniques came from the antiaging field. 

But you gotta, if you go back 25 years, no one believed antiaging was real. If you were a college professor and said, “I’m gonna study antiaging.” They would take your tenure. They would make fun of you. And it was only after the billionaires like Larry, and Sergei, and Zuckerberg about 10 plus years ago, started saying I’m gonna put a few billion into this. Then all of a sudden it became respectable. Before that it was like, it’s inevitable. Since it’s inevitable, if you study it, you’re an idiot. And there was like a really strong bias. 

And then it also meant, oh, plastic surgery is antiaging, and no we’re talking about making your biology younger than your chronological age. For me, I was old when I was young. I had all the things you expect when you’re 60 plus before I was 30. And I reversed all of them and I’m 48 now and I have more energy and my metrics are better than they’ve ever been. I have the average brain response time of a 20 year old. And this is something that declines linearly with age. It’s called a P300 D. So my brain responds as if I was 20. I have low visceral fat levels for a 20 year old. I have the arterial flexibility of a 24 year old. And I started out with like, not very good genetics, and a terrible, terrible health history to start with. So if I can pull this off, I’m pretty sure that most people started out without the same burden that I did. So I’m sort of the shining example of the canary in the coal mine, who still didn’t get taken out.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

Wow, so this, you’re still seeing this type of reversing happening? Like what basically your message is saying is that, we can actually reverse aging. Is that what you’re saying?

Dave Asprey

We can reverse aging and we can certainly slow aging. And I’ve been really public. And my big aging book hit the New York Times monthly bestseller list. It was sandwiched between “Homo Dues” and “Sapiens” by one of my other favorite authors, which was a big honor for me. And to have my aging book even hit the science category. What, you mean science? Aging is science now, instead of myth? That’s how big of a sign that our perceptions have shifted. So I said in the book and I still stand by this, I am planning to live to at least 180 years old. And most people recoil from that. 

They go, “Ew, I don’t wanna be old,” because when you talk about being old, you think about transparent skin, tubes, diapers, wheelchairs, and not knowing your own name. That has not been the picture of aging throughout all of human history, except for the last 50 years. It’s not normal. What normally happens is if you don’t die of an infectious disease or getting run over by a bull or something, then you live into old age and you are actually functional. And we’ve have this weird picture of that. So when I say living to at least 180, I mean with a working memory and a working brain, but the wisdom of more than a hundred years of lived life, and the same type of energy that I have now.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

Yeah, let’s, go ahead sorry.

Dave Asprey

And then people say, “Well, how do you know 180? Isn’t that ridiculous?” It’s actually very conservative. I just say that ’cause anything bigger people don’t believe. Here’s why. Sanjeev, you know the oldest person documented today is about 120 years old, right?

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

Right.

Dave Asprey

Now, could we spell DNA when that person was born? Had we discovered antibiotics?

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

No.

Dave Asprey

Could you go Pub Med and find anything that’s ever been researched in medicine just about? No. Did we know what mitochondria were? No. I mean, there was so much we didn’t know. In fact, 120 years ago, we didn’t have automobiles or airplanes. Like, that’s the scope that, so how much has the world changed in the last hundred years? Just a little bit. Well, what’s it gonna do over the next hundred years? And here’s my supposition. If we can’t do 50% better than our current best in the next hundred years, it’s because either an asteroid hit the planet, or because we ran out of top soil from all these dumb vegans walking around trying to tell us that animals are not a part of our ecosystem. It’s one of the two.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

Let’s just jump right in. I mean you’re, you have been an expert in fasting. And from the whole thing about Bulletproof that I think really got everyone to understand that they don’t need to take breakfast. At least they shouldn’t think about it that way. But maybe let’s just, let’s get, let’s, you have the book out, just “Fast This Way.” Let’s talk a little bit about that. I mean, I’d love to understand why, how did you come about that? And really what’s the bigger message about fasting for you?

Dave Asprey

In 2011, I wrote my first blog post about the Bulletproof Diet. And then the big book came out that sold globally in 2014. And it had these five big things, ’cause I tried every diet. And one of the five big things in the Bulletproof Diet was intermittent fasting. And it was also if it’s not grass fed and it’s an animal, don’t eat it. Like you don’t eat industrial animals. So I’m more in line with vegans than what I just said before, so if I pissed you off before, now we’re friends again, okay? It also, this intermittent fasting thing though, it’s one of the highest return on investment behaviors you can have for anti-aging. And in that same, during one of my subsequent books, I talk about doing a hundred plus thousand dollars stem cell procedures and all kinds of really advanced, crazy anti-aging stuff so I can write about it. 

But think about this. Fasting in the morning costs less money than having breakfast. It takes less energy and time than having breakfast. But then you say, but I would feel bad and I would die and I would get hangry. But if you do it the way that I teach in “Fast This Way,” you actually have more energy, not less energy. So I feel worse when I have breakfast. I’m more dialed in when I don’t have breakfast. And everyone is when they learn to get their biology right. It’s it takes like one or two days. And so you got paid up front because you didn’t spend money. You got more energy right away. And if you do it several days a week, over the course of a year or two, oh, I don’t have pre-diabetes and my metabolism got better, and I don’t get Alzheimer’s and cancer and cardiovascular disease. Or at least I lowered my risk of those. So it’s the thing you can do that’s less than free, that has the biggest anti-aging return. 

And if you don’t wanna skip breakfast, you could skip dinner. But most people don’t like that. The point here is go for 12 to 16 hours a day on most days without food in your stomach. You’ll be fine. And if that’s really hard for you to get started I wrote “Fast This Way,” because when I weighed 300 pounds, someone said, “Dave, you should try fasting.” And I’m like, “You idiot. Don’t you know that if you don’t eat at least six meals a day your body will go into starvation mode, and then you’ll get fatter. And besides I would get hangry and then I would be mean to people. So that’s just the stupidest thing I’ve ever.” And I literally, I had this, the sense of abhorrence. And now I look back on that and like what an idiot I was on lots of different ways. Because well, if you do it with especially the tools when you’re first getting started, there’s just no hunger at all. And I’ve now led 60,000 people through my fasting challenge, which is completely free. 

You don’t have to buy my book or anything. It’s fastthisway.com, and the comments are almost always like this. “I can’t believe I just went 24 hours without eating and I was never hungry.” Okay It’s the “And I was never hungry.” That’s the part about intermittent fasting that makes it easy for anti-aging. And the other reason that I wrote this book. I already wrote a book on fasting. It’s called the “Bulletproof Diet.” It’ll tell you what to eat, what not to eat. Like I’ve got lectins and phytates, and all this stuff that had become big trends, keto, cyclical keto, it’s all in there, in a structured format, but it’s a lot. But if you wanted to be perfect, that’s how you do it. With intermittent fasting, the big risk is the same thing that happened since I shined that light on keto a decade ago. It’s that you can over keto and you see people, you know what, I went on the keto diet and I felt great, so I just kept doing it. I did this when I was in my late twenties I lost 50 pounds in three months on a keto diet. 

And the other 50 pounds took me 10 years to lose, because I had inflammation, ’cause I was eating the wrong fats and the wrong proteins. But what happens if something works, you do more of it, ’cause we’re humans. But the way nutrition works is just ’cause something’s good, doesn’t mean you should keep doing it. Sometimes you need to take a break. Well, intermittent fasting is the same as keto. So I see women and men who fall into the keto trap. More is better. And then they say, okay, I’m done with that. I’m going to eat some carbs because the keto didn’t work. I’ll try intermittent fasting. And they go, “Oh my God, I can’t believe I’m lit up. I need less sleep. Everything’s perfect.” And then they say, “I’ll just eat one meal a day.” And then I’ll just see one meal every other day. And they just keep doubling down on it until you get to this point where you hit the wall. 

Women hit the wall before men. And I put this in the book. There’s a whole chapter for women in “Fast This Way,” because it’s different. But for women, step one, after about four weeks of fasting too often, or fasting for too long every single day, without taking a break or fasting when there’s emotional stress, or when there’s jet lag, or whatever else. Or fasting on a really heavy lifting day. First thing is your sleep quality goes away. So you wake up and you feel like you didn’t sleep. And the second thing that happens is your monthly cycle gets irregular. And the third thing that happens is thinning hair. And it starts about four weeks. In guys, it starts in about six to eight weeks. 

Same thing, sleep quality, huh? It’s weird. I’m fasting and now I feel like my sleep quality isn’t as good as it was last week. Or if you measure it with a ring or something, you just notice it’s not good. But then you wake up and there’s no kickstand in the morning, the way there normally is. And then your hair starts to get thin as well. So I wanted people to understand fasting is a tool like exercise. If exercise is good for you, run a marathon every day. I’m like, oh wait, that would be bad for you. So comfortable medium. What I find is for women, a 12 to 16 hour fast, at least three days a week is a great way to start. And yes, there’s studies that back this up, that are specific to women versus men. And for men, it’s oftentimes four or five days a week, and sometimes more. But most people start to push it too soon. You’re teaching your body to be metabolically flexible. For me, I usually do a 14 to 16 hour fast. I would say six days a week. Saturdays I intentionally have breakfast and usually lunch and dinner, or at least breakfast and dinner, because I don’t want my body to get used to doing the same thing every day. And plus brunch is fun. I eat bacon. Like it’s not a bad thing.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

Yeah, I’ve always thought about that. If our metabolism would get used to like, let’s say eating less often, and then you know that idea of potentially slowing down or starting to conserve, not burn off calories. Is that something? Is that what you mean by being metabolically flexible?

Dave Asprey

Metabolically flexible people have mitochondrial metabolism that is fully capable of switching from burning fat to burning carbs without skipping a beat. What that means is you can eat some carbs, body says, oh great, I know what to do. But if you fast all the time and your keto all the time, you actually down regulate the enzymes required to digest carbohydrates and you get insulin resistant. This is well-known in the excessive low carb, keto forever kind of crowd. And like, “Oh no, that’s a healthy state. I can’t burn carbs ’cause you don’t need carbs.” Newsflash, your body needs carbs. It doesn’t need sugar, but it does need some carbohydrates. And it uses those to feed healthy gut bacteria. And it uses those to power parts of the immune system including in the brain called the glial cells. And my book on cognitive function called “Head Strong,” I go into that detail. The neurons in your brain. 

You want those to last a long time for anti-aging purposes. They prefer fat as fuel. And they’re made out of fat largely. So you wanna eat the right kinds of fat, and you wanna use fat as energy, ’cause when they have ketones, your neurons perform better. They have the most mitochondrial density. But the other parts of the brain, sort of the the disrespected part of the brain called the glial cells, these are the repair and maintenance group for the brain. So it’s sort of like you see the rockstar on the stage, that’s the neuron, but who are the roadies who put up all those speakers and cleaned up everything and did all the actual work other than singing? Well, the show doesn’t happen without those guys. Well, your glial cells, they will prefer carbohydrates or glucose to ketones. 

What does that mean? Cyclical ketosis. It means you don’t have to be on a zero carb diet all the time when you’re fasting. You might benefit from it doing that for four or six weeks. You can go carnivore for a brief period of time. You could even go vegan, although you probably won’t like what that does to your fatty acid ratios. You could do that for a month, but doing either of those for long periods of time is probably not advisable given all we know about aging, because of that interplay between high energy ketones from burning fat and glucose, which is useful and necessary in the body. And some people will say, “Oh, but you can make your own glucose,” via a process called gluconeogenesis where your body breaks down protein to turn it into glucose. 

One thing we know about anti-aging. Making the body go through really complex metabolic processes that require a lot of enzymes and a lot of minerals that you probably don’t have, is not really good for you. Just because you can survive on something, doesn’t mean that that’s an optimal state for living a long time. We can live off all sorts of crappy foods. You just won’t live as long if you do, but it’s better than starving right now. So we have these incredibly intelligent biological trade-offs that let us eat all sorts of stuff that really, we probably shouldn’t eat. But hey, there was a famine. So yeah, I did my best. But you didn’t have to eat famine foods just to feel like you’re a good person. Brown rice is actually worse for you than white rice as a prime example.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

Why did you? Like so you had written already this book on fasting, you had already developed this whole thing for the last 10 years, why now did you expand on that? I have some, I read through the book. I see you kind of went down some other areas like the whole science of autophagy and circadian rhythms. And, but I found the whole piece was really interesting about inner, the inner struggle and building psychological benefits of fasting. So I’d love to, if you could expand on those?

Dave Asprey

My publisher came to me and said, “Let’s do a book on fasting.” Like I already did a book on fasting. And then I said, well here, let me tell you the outline. Step one, don’t eat for awhile. Step two, it’s good for you. Here are some studies. I’m like, there’s already five books like that. I don’t wanna write one of those. I only write books that I can’t read somewhere else, because why would I write a me too book? That’s not fun. And it’s not in the, it’s a lot of work to write a book and you don’t make very much money to write a book. To be honest. It’s like the lowest hourly rate of anything I do, is write. 

So like, why would I take time away from my wife and kids or from learning something to write a book? But I thought about it, and it’s the ROI. The return on investment for fasting is so high, and it’s so accessible. Even if you don’t wanna change what you eat, just change when you eat, and maybe how often you eat and people see profound changes. Since I wrote that first big book there’s been a whole bunch of new research on circadian biology and how important that is. And the hardest part of fasting is that it sounds terrible. Imagine trying to tell someone, look you’re not gonna eat. 

Meanwhile, there’s this huge big food industry going “You can’t eat just one. It really satisfies.” And all of these messages and pictures of food everywhere. I went from the fat guy who would sit there in the conference room, like okay, I had a healthy lunch. I had some salad. By the way, salads never leave you full. But I had a salad for lunch. And then they put a plate of cookies out in the conference room. I’m like okay, today I’m not gonna eat the cookie and pretty soon the cookie is whispering, “Eat me.” I’m like, “No.” “Eat me.” “No.” And you have this dialogue. It’s like a two year old. And finally like okay, I’ll just eat half. And then you have cookie and go, “God I’m such a failure. I’ll just eat the other half.” Like, why did I do that? I’m such a bad person. 

Most people have stuff like that going on in their head. What’s going on is very basic biology. And it’s that the little mitochondria that run your biology, they’re like, we didn’t have enough energy. Things aren’t working, right? So you’re going to eat the cookie and eventually they wear you down. Sometimes you’ll win, but usually they’ll win. And over the long period of time, they will always win, because they can dial energy down and down and down in your brain until the part of you responsible for thinking is under powered and then you’ll do it. 

So understanding that dynamic that that’s a part of what’s happening with aging and all, I thought it was worth writing a book to talk about the psychology of fasting. Where the voice in your head comes from and this connection between fear and food and how we switch between those two. And this is new thinking that came out of my book on brains and mitochondria. There’s an algorithm for life. And a lot of what we think is our conscious behavior is not conscious whatsoever, and getting people inside their heads to understand the difference between hunger and craving.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

Craving.

Dave Asprey

And why the cravings happen? And then understanding the psychology behind it. The comments I’ve had, there’s been about somewhere around 125 to 150,000 copies of the book and 60,000 people in the fasting program. That’s just a gift like maybe I’ll read the book just fastthisway.com, just try it. And it’s two weeks of teaching you all these different techniques. The feedback has been great very much so “I understand the voice in my head and it went away, and I’ve lost my fear of being hungry.” And I was so afraid of this when I first did a fast and I write this, this is the through line for the book. 

I hired a Shaman to drop me off in a cave in the middle of the desert in Arizona for four days with no food and no people, ’cause I knew I ate when I was lonely, and I knew that if I didn’t eat, I would be hypoglybitchy and I would yell at everyone. So if I’m alone in a cave, there’s no one to yell at, and there’s no food. And so it’s sort of a self enforced fast that way. All I had with me was water. And I shouldn’t have had to do that, but it’s because I was so afraid of being a jerk and I was so afraid I’d be starving. And rationally, I knew that I wouldn’t die in four days without food. I could go, 60 or 90 days without food, without starving, but I felt differently. And it’s that same voice in your head that controls that feeling. It’s the same part if you lean on a hot stove, you’ll pull your hand away and then go, good thing I pulled my hand away, but you didn’t decide to pull it away. Some other system decided to pull your hand away before you-

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

Do you think that’s biology or do you think it’s cultural learning that we’re so afraid of going without food?

Dave Asprey

It’s mostly biology, and there is a cultural thing that’s driven by biology. Here’s the algorithm. And the thing, the reason I know this is real is it works for plants. It works for single cell lifeforms and it works for us. And what we are at our core is we are a very big network of single celled lifeforms, sub cellular components like mitochondria are ancient bacteria. Each of your cells is its own life form with its own little decision-making computational apparatus. And because I studied artificial intelligence in my undergrad and I worked on large scale systems on the internet and cloud computing, you see crazy emergent, complex behaviors happen. And this is proved mathematically. Stephen Wolfram did it. The guy who wrote WolframAlpha, the search engine. 

So here’s the rules for all life. Number one, run away from, kill or hide from scary things. Now, if you’re a single celled organism, you probably make toxins. And if you’re a tree, you make spines or bark, or most plants make toxins that keep them from being eaten ’cause they can’t run away. They have roots. And if you’re an animal, you run away, you reproduce a lot. You have claws, teeth. If you’re humans, you get clubs, whatever. But we do that. And that gets 10 times more effort and focus, because if you want a life form to live a long time, don’t get eaten is your number one rule. 

So fear is 10 times more focused in energy than anything else. Step two, eat everything. And you do this cause famine kills most animals. Most of the time they ran out of fuel, they starved to death. So we have visceral fear. Visceral means in your tissues, not in your conscious brain. And that gets five times more focus than it needs. ‘Cause you can know in your brain, there’s a refrigerator full of food but your stupid cells don’t know what a refrigerator is, they’re cells. So you have a quadrillion cells going eat, eat, eat, eat, eat. And well it’s no wonder you open the fridge. It’s not your fault. These are automated systems. The third F word, if we have fear and we have food, what would all life have to do Sanjeev in order to stay alive from multiple generations that’s an F-word?

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

Fuck.

Dave Asprey

Seriously, I was thinking fertility, man.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

Sorry, this, we’re recording.

Dave Asprey

I admit, I tricked you into saying that. I’m totally messing with you. So yes, that F word, right? Three times more attention than it really needs, ’cause you and I know the species won’t die if we don’t have sex tonight or ever. But it sure feels like the species is gonna die if we don’t have sex occasionally, right? Well it’s okay. Amoebas are dividing. Plants are pollinating. This is the substrate of life. You don’t have to think. You don’t have to think about breathing. You don’t have to think about being afraid, hungry or horny. This is life. And it is built in. And it is below and before your conscious thinking. So now you’re gonna sit there and go, well, look at me, I’m going to not eat, which is going to trigger fear of starvation. 

That is a cultural teaching. And it is going to trigger the actual hunger. And because most of us eat foods that drive profound cravings, we don’t even know the difference between a hunger and cravings. Hunger is a gentle feeling like, oh, you know, I’m kind of sleepy. I could go to sleep the next hour or two, but I can stay up and watch a movie. Okay, that’s hunger. And a craving is someone just gave me a Valium, I’m gonna get knocked out. I have no self control. Most people eat foods at every meal that drive cravings. The other reason I wrote “Fast This Way” is to teach you that if you wake up and you’re ravenous, it’s your fault. It’s because you ate something for dinner that messed you up. 

So let’s go back and diagnose what you did, because when you eat the right foods for your biology which might be different than your spouse or someone else, but there’s general rules for this. When you eat those right foods, you don’t care about food for at least four hours. Someone can put cheesecake in front of you. And you’re like, I didn’t really want it. I’m satisfied. I’d never-

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

Cravings get less? Cravings get less?

Dave Asprey

They don’t get less. They go away.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

Oh wow.

Dave Asprey

Like someone can put a food in front of you and you just don’t want it, because you have enough energy in your cells for the first time ever. And that is a profound freeing thing. And for me as a former 300 pound guy who I’ve lost at least a hundred pounds of fat. I’ve actually put some muscle on over the last year. Thanks COVID, staying at home and eating all of my own food instead of restaurant food helps. But it makes a huge difference to just never have cravings. And I will tell you never is a big word. There are times when I have a craving. Like right before the pandemic, I did a big book signing. If you breathe a Sharpie with those volts organics for six hours while signing hundreds and hundreds of books, that is gonna put a load on your liver. And your liver is like, blah, and it says could you eat some sugar already? And I got a sugar craving, because my body said can I get some extra electrons real quick now to oxidize all these toxins you just dumped into me by breathing these toxic fumes for hours. 

That actually happens. So sometimes there’s an environmental trigger or I’m wearing my cool, TrueDark glasses. Yes, I’m the founder, and I wrote the patents for this company. Why do I wear these during the day? Well, I wear them under fluorescent or LED lights, because if you put extra stress on the brain from poor quality light, I call it junk light. It’s like the corn syrup of lighting. The LEDs that most people are looking at right now, they make your brain tired ’cause they increase the load on the brain, so the body says, can I have some sugar? My brain’s tired. And so you can lower the toxin load. You can lower the physiological stress load and those reduce cravings. And I’ve had people reach out to me and say, “Dave, every day I’m exhausted and I have a craving at five o’clock Monday through Friday. 

But I eat the same thing at home and I don’t have the craving. And then I got the glasses and it went away. It’s because of lighting. So something triggers cravings, but usually it’s your last meal, and sometimes it’s environmental. People are going to live a very long time. They figure out how to lower the physiological stressor load that doesn’t do anything. Those are chronic stressors, and that can be bad diet, omega-6 fats, it can be plant toxins, it can be industrial animals, and hormone disruptors, other pollutants. You lower all that as much as you can, which gives you more ability to do positive stressors called hormetic stressors. And intermittent fasting is a hormetic stressor. 

Hormetic means that if it doesn’t kill you, it makes you stronger. Many people believe that all stress is good for you, because it makes you stronger. It doesn’t kill you. That is a lie. It doesn’t work like that. Other people will apply things like hormetic stressors, like exercising, but they’ll overdo it. The same as they overdue fasting. Sanjeev do you if you know what happened to the ran a marathon?

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

No, I don’t. Had a heart attack? I don’t know what happened.

Dave Asprey

He died.

That’s that’s why we run marathons to be healthy, ’cause the first guy to run a marathon ran two Marathon in Greece to warn of an army coming. He delivered the message and keeled over from a heart attack.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

Oh wow.

Dave Asprey

That’s why you see overweight, middle-aged people running marathons to be healthy. Maybe too much of a hormetic stressor. So it turns out people who do endurance athletics, generally don’t live as long as they would if they did a little bit less exercise. So that’s an example of too much of a stressor. So don’t overtrain. Don’t over fast, but reduce the chronic stressors that just float around, so that when you do run a marathon, so that when you do a long fast, you have tons of energy. And that’s part of the anti-aging thing.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

Let’s just jump right into that, ’cause the, I mean, the key concept I’m hearing from all the speakers is about the inflammation at the cellular level is the cause of aging. And obviously like you’re saying, some of these stressors cause aging, and I know you mentioned in your book as well about that. So what your thoughts about how, what is the, how should we be handling inflammation? Is this the benefit of intermittent fasting?

Dave Asprey

Intermittent fasting will address inflammation via many different pathways. The biggest reduction inflammation that people don’t expect from intermittent fasting is when you eat less often you eat less inflammatory plant foods. It is astounding to me, how many people say, “Oh but I like that, I’m going to eat it.” The number one inflammatory plant food is omega-6 fatty acids. These unsaturated fats that are never found in meaningful amounts in nature, you eat a piece of grass fed steak. It’s about 2% omega-6 fat, but if you eat a can of potato chips, it’s almost all omega-6 fat. These are not biologically compatible with us in meaningful amounts. They’re essential, but in tiny amounts.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

Like canola oil? Is that together, I think you mentioned that.

Dave Asprey

Canola oil, soybean oil, corn oil, all of those are exceptionally high and really, really bad for you. Not just a little bit bad for you. It’s kind of funny. We can take a little capsule of fish oil, one gram of fish oil, and go that changed our whole metabolism. Yeah, eat something fried. Eat some french fries. They will create inflammation in the body for 48 hours. If you smoke a cigarette, you have eight hours of inflammation. Literally, and this is not a joke. If you gave me a plate of french fries cooked in canola oil or soybean oil versus a cigarette, I’d smoke the cigarette. I don’t do either one. 

They’re both very, very bad for you. And people say, “But I like French fries.” I don’t care. You might like heroin. It doesn’t make a good for you. The fact that you like it doesn’t matter. You could bake that same food and add a lot of grass fed butter afterwards and have a different biological outcome. So we’ve got to get these oils out of the diet but then you get other people who go, “You know what, I’m just gonna eat a bunch of bell peppers.” A huge percentage of people cannot process the anti-nutrients in that. So in “Fast This Way,” I go through these five big categories of things that cause cravings that also cause inflammation. 

So when you eat foods that digest cleanly and don’t create an inflammatory response, you do very, very well. And the other thing intermittent fasting does is it turns on autophagy. You remember the old, the old days when Las Vegas was not all LEDs. They had a bunch of light bulbs and there were teams of people who would drive around and find the bulbs that were dim or were out. And they’d get on a ladder and they’d take them out and put ’em back in. Well, you have a quadrillion mitochondria. These guys are environmental sensors. They sense the environment. And then they either make energy, they make hormones, neurotransmitters, or proteins. So they’re manufacturing plants. They’re not just power plants. And they’re environmental sensors. They’re the first line environmental sensors before you see anything, they saw it and they decided what to pass on to you.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

Right.

Dave Asprey

And that gets really interesting, because if you don’t have a team going around replacing the dim bulbs, replacing the burned out bulbs, ’cause they’re too busy worrying about doughnuts or inflammation or whatever else, over time, that’s a major cause of aging. So intermittent fasting allows all the enzymes that would have gone into breaking down a meal to be turned around and go into breaking down cells in the body that need to be, they need to be broken down and removed. That process of autophagy is at the core of my anti-aging books and at “Fast This Way.” And it’s funny, what else turns up? Autophagy, coffee does. Yup, so you can have that during your fast. 

That’s something else in the book that really makes a difference for people. Especially if you’ve got some weight to lose, you’ve never fasted before, it’s easy for a health influencer or someone who’s in reasonably good shape like I am now to say, “Oh, just skip breakfast.” But if you’re like, I used to be, no way. Like, are you kidding me? I have kids, they’re running around the house, I have a job, I’ll get brain fog. It’s gonna be bad. Like I’m gonna bite someone’s head off. Okay, this is a real serious thing. So the other reason that I wrote “Fast This Way” was I want people to get autophagy and metabolic flexibility without turning into jerks. So there’s three things you can do during a fast that do not break the magic of a fast, but turn off cravings. Step one, black coffee. And there’s studies. 

It suppresses hunger and it does not change the benefits of a fast. And I’ve reviewed this with lots of experts. I’ve looked at the literature, and it makes the water only faster crowd very angry. The water only fasters, they’re saying, “Well in the studies, the mice only had water. Therefore I have to only have water.” I’m like good luck with that. Do you have a job? Do you have a family? Do you have responsibilities? It’s okay to fast without suffering. It’s just, okay. And step two, I’m kind of known for this. People lost a million pounds on it. Bulletproof Coffee actually works. It’s grassfed butter, a little bit, and some MCT oil blended into your coffee. And I go through a ton of science in the book. 

Yes, there is a valid case that says you can have calories from fat and it will not change autophagy. So you’re actually still doing this. And the reason is that if the body sees protein or carbs it will turn off autophagy, but fat gets a pass. And the third thing you can have, and this also is, it’s never been written about in the context of intermittent fasting, but it has been a big part of my anti-aging book, and it’s prebiotic fiber. And you can actually put prebiotic fiber in your coffee or tea in the morning. It is a kind of carbohydrate that your body can’t digest but it feeds the bacteria that give you energy. And they actually convert the prebiotic fiber into a type of fat called butyric acid. 

So tomorrow morning, anyone who listens to this, I want to be younger. I want to try and fasting. I don’t want to suffer. Make yourself a Bulletproof Coffee, put in some prebiotic fiber. This is not the Metamucil bulky sawdust. This is the stuff that dissolves in and feeds the gut bacteria. It’s not a bulking fiber. You put it in there. Gee it tasted like I drank a latte and I stopped caring about food for about five hours. Like, wait a minute. I had dinner last night at six. I went to bed at 10. So I got four hours before bed. I slept for eight hours. That was already 12 hours. And I woke up and I drank this thing. And now it’s noon again. Oh my God, I just did a 16 or an 18 hour fast. And I didn’t even notice.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

I can swear by the Brain Octane oil that we use every morning right now.

Dave Asprey

So you know how it is, right Sanjeev? Every morning Brain Octane is the Bulletproof brand of MCT. There are different strengths and types of MCT on the market. The Brain Octane is the most studied by far. I’m the guy who made MCT oil a billion dollar category, so that stuff works.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

Why? What’s special about the Brain Octane ’cause I’m trying to explain it to let’s say people who come to me? Like makes a difference-

Dave Asprey

Well MCT is, it’s a chemical designation for four different types of oil. And every kind of oil does different things in the body. So one of the types of MCT, the shortest one, it causes severe gastric distress, so no one uses that one. And the most common and cheap type of MCT oil is called C12. And it’s legal to call it medium chain, but it doesn’t do anything special in the body. It’s so cheap that they use it for fracking. Like they give it away, and there are supplement companies who sell it. “Oh, it’s MCT.” Legally yes, but biologically, no. That’s called C12. And what’s left is there’s eight and 10 chain fats. And the studies show the eight is most ketogenic, four times more ketogenetic than coconut oil, and coconut oil isn’t very ketogenic at all. 

So what’s left in the Bulletproof Brain Octane is, it is only the eight chain, the rarest and most expensive MCT. It only comes from coconut, so we don’t kill orangutans in the process like most of the Palm oil. It’s triple distilled, which no one else does. And it’s filtered through clay, which removes other impurities. So you get a pure thing that doesn’t cause the same kind of gastric distress. In the very early days of Bulletproof before I’d figured all this out, you’d buy some kind of street grade MCT, and your throat would burn a little bit, and you’d run to the bathroom, but you’d have a ton of energy. I don’t like that. So no more disaster pants, but that’s why Brain Octane is different than normal MCT. It’s likely more ketogenic than what people are used to having.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

Yeah, so the C8 fats, they don’t break down and necessarily go into storage? Is that what you’re saying Dave? They would get broken down to through the body.

Dave Asprey

C8 and C10 fats, don’t get stored in the body. They have to get burned as energy, which is good, because if you put some of this, even on your Cheerios which I don’t recommend, but even if you did that, over time that body is like, wait, I always have ketones. I always have fat available for energy. I guess I should turn on my fat digestion pathways, and they will stay turned on. And then when you fast, you’ll be resilient during your fast. It’s fascinating.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

You know the part that I love that you talked about was the impact on spiritual and mental health. So I wonder if you can kind of go into that aspect ’cause that’s what makes it special.

Dave Asprey

There is such a thing as a spiritual fast, and there’s a chapter in the book where I go through this and every culture has these. Every belief system has these. And there’s such a thing as a working fast, and not everyone has these. And I teach people that. Here’s how to do a working fast in the morning when you wanna get stuff done, you have a life. But then you can do a spiritual fast which is usually a longer fast, at least 24 hours. You can use the fasting hacks from the book or not. But the idea there is you rest and you go deep and you journal and you go for a walk in nature, if you can arrange access to nature and you reflect. So you can use it for meditation and healing and trauma release and all of that, and what’s happening there is unique. And it’s less about anti-aging. But we talked about these mitochondria in the body. 

They’re environmental sensors. When they don’t have food, they turn outwards. And if you’re fasted and you go for a walk in the forest you will see the forest and sense the forest differently than if you’re full. And the reason is that they’re tuned to help you find food. You’re a hunter and a gatherer. So your perception goes up. And if you’re sitting in Astra meditating and fasting, your going to feel different than if you ate a peanut butter sandwich and you fasted. And there’s a bunch of bad things in peanut butter that would probably affect your cognition. But even if you ate a really good meal, your mitochondria are gonna turn inwards versus outwards. The other thing that happens when you eat a certain percentage of your capacity for making energy, instead of going into thinking and sensing, it goes into digesting. 

So it takes calories to turn food into more calories. So if you’re not digesting and your stomach is empty then the sensors turn out. And if you were to put a little bit of grass fed butter in there, the sensors still turn out. Like we have energy, but there’s nothing in here that we identify as a protein or a carb, so it’s looking around looking around, going, hmm, what’s up? This is why fasting is a part of a spiritual tradition for almost every different thing you can find going back thousands of years. It’s because your sensors turn outwards. And because the energy that went into digestion is going into thinking and feeling.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

I think that cravings, you mentioned that go away, you mentioned food cravings, but do you feel that there’s other types of cravings in life that are also affected, by let’s say someone takes up a fasting practice? So other benefits and other aspects?

Dave Asprey

If you have addictions, sometimes fasting can help with those. Quite often I find though, more of a keto approach works with those. A lot of people with addictions, there can be trauma and psychological things like that, but sometimes you’re just low energy. And when you turn the energy back up in the brain your ability to manage those states, it goes, it goes right back up. So that’s a part of it, but just teaching yourself to be safe without food. And there’s also emotional things where, oh I’m lonely or I’m sad, so I’m going to eat. Those are learned. And fasting will teach you what’s going on. Why am I feeling these feelings? That’s the role of a spiritual fast. If however, you have chaos in your life, and you’re, give me a second.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

No problem.

Dave Asprey

We have all kinds of pollen around right now.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

No worries.

Dave Asprey

I forgot where I was. What was I saying?

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

There’s ever.

Dave Asprey

Cravings. Oh, so if you’re having cravings in your life that are not caused by what you ate, then you sit down while you’re doing a spiritual fast and you journal or you meditate or you pray or you do whatever your practice is. And suddenly those things come into focus and you realize, oh, that’s weird. I eat when I’m lonely. Hmm, I’m not actually lonely. I wonder why I feel lonely. And then you figure out, oh, I have an issue with trauma. Those are really common. Every adult has those. 

The reason that, man, the reason I can say every adult has those is that I have a neuroscience company. It’s called 40 Years of Zen. We’ve had more than a thousand entrepreneurs and celebrities or athletes, people like that come through. And for five days, look at what’s going on inside their head and let go of things like that. Every adult alive has stuff like that running in their unconscious processes. And fasting can help you just become aware of the unconscious processes, because stuff pops up when you’re doing a spiritual fast. It won’t pop up during a working fast. I see many people try to apply spiritual fasting techniques while they’re working. And that doesn’t work very well. So it’s okay to just say, today I’m fasting for performance. Tomorrow, I’m fasting for personal development. They’re just not the same thing.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

Maybe let’s go right into that. I know that you’re also this 40 years of Zen, and I know in some of your books, you talk about all the work you’ve done in mindfulness and neuro biofeedback. I’d love to, if you could just talk to us about that.

Dave Asprey

Sure, one of the things that happens as you age is you’re supposed to start forgetting things, and your brain slows down. And I mentioned at the start of the interview that my brain has the responsiveness of a young person’s brain. And when I say responsiveness, I don’t mean intelligence. I mean, when there is a visual or auditory cue, my brain picks it up like a 20 year old. And if you look at the average speed, it gets slower with every year of life. It’s just, the brain gets slower and slower. It doesn’t have to happen. Why does mine do that? Well in part, because my mitochondria work, and in part because I’ve spent four months of my life with electrodes glued to my head doing the protocols that we do at 40 Years of Zen. 

So we’ve had to create new hardware and new software to do neurofeedback for advanced performance instead of to fix problems in the brain. And what we’re doing there is we’re taking a look at the state of your brain, using something called qEEG, where we measure your brain against an average brain to help you understand here is my super powers and here’s my weaknesses. And we set that aside. And then we spend three days teaching you a personal development process that’s guided by neurofeedback that allows you to stop wasting electrons on useless patterns that you don’t even know you have. 

So you get to go in and edit your responsiveness to the environment around you. And then the final two days, we take that quantitative EEG and we use it to performance tune your brain. It’s like taking a car into a racing mechanic. That’s still my Toyota, but it actually accelerates now, and it turns and it stops. So you can increase the voltage in the brain. You can change neuron firing speed to make it faster or slower, and you can organize networks. And the brain is an even more complex set of individual cells and networks than the rest of the cells in your body, but they are all integrated. What you find there is that when older people do intense neurofeedback like that, they suddenly have brains that act like younger people’s brains. So they wanna start companies. They want to reinvigorate relationships. 

They wanna go travel and things like that. And what’s happening is sometimes it’s like, you kind of cleared the cobwebs out, and over time we develop, I’m gonna call them traumas and patterns. And usually they get set very early in life, but they just get reinforced over time, over time, over time. When you’re doing something like intermittent fasting and you’re eating the right kinds of fats, and you’re not eating toxins, you can turn on neurogenesis at any age. So what we’re doing is we’re showing the brain grow these neurons, but in order for people to do the training, there’s an executive chef and there’s a whole set of supplements they take, because they can’t do enough training every day without energetic, as in mitochondrial energetic, and nutritional support in order to do the work. And then over the next three to six months, the brain goes in and reinforces the new pathways that they develop, which is pretty neat.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

Do you think that most people are not aware of these patterns that are happening? Like, I mean, I guess anybody can find it-

Dave Asprey

Oh you can’t be. You can’t be aware of ’em. They’re by design not supposed to be there. So if there are times when, let’s say someone cuts you off in traffic, and you just get angry. Okay, why do you angry when someone cuts you off in traffic? Do you know why?

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

I don’t, no.

Dave Asprey

But you know what happens, right?

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

Yeah sure.

Dave Asprey

Okay, so you’re not supposed to know why. And so there’s some voice when you were like five years old. I know some teacher yelled at you or you felt disrespected, and that same emotional pattern is there, but you don’t know why. And for everyone who’s been alive, I promise you there was a time when your mom or your dad was tired and you nagged them and they told you “For God’s sake!” And they yelled at you. And you went and you cried. There’s a little switch in there and you’re not gonna remember that, but it’s still in there. And you can go in and turn off all the switches. 

What’s happening there is that your mitochondria, they believe that you are a Petri dish that they control. And they’re actually kind of right. And you believe that you’re a single body that you control, and you’re kind of right, but you’re both wrong. So you see the dynamics there. The mitochondria are dumb and fast and they get the information first. They run it through a threat detection, pattern matching system, but it’s a poorly programmed one, because when you came into the world, you’re a squirming infant. Like, I don’t know, we got this Petri dish let’s program it as best we can to not get eaten. To make sure it doesn’t starve. To make sure it reproduces. And that’s all they care about ’cause they are bacteria after all. They don’t really have a consciousness like we do. So our adult life is largely set by early things. 

What’s going to keep us alive? The number of entrepreneurs who are bullied is exceptionally high. I will show you that I’m good enough by making a hundred million dollars, and then you’ll love me. And it doesn’t actually work like that. But that’s, I mean, I’ve had people directly quote that coming out of the program going, “I had no idea that my pursuit of my career was driven by not feeling good enough from fifth grade.” Like that’s how dumb it is. Fasting can shine a light on that, but so can some of this trauma reduction stuff. And what you find is there’s a lot of times when you’re feeling lonely, you’re feeling sad. And instead of your parents saying, “Oh, you’re feeling sad. Well here’s what to do about that.” They go, “Here’s a muffin.” Okay, when you’re an adult and you’re feeling sad, and you eat 10 muffins, is it any surprise? You didn’t choose the muffins, your mitochondria said, oh when we’re feeling sad, eat the muffin. It’s those patterns that you can break up.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

What do you think about the whole field of epigenetics of turning off and on our DNA and with these treatments, perhaps these are similar processes that are happening, where do you see this fitting in?

Dave Asprey

Epigenetics is at the heart of biohacking. So when I created the definition of biohacking, which is a new word in the English language by the way. In 2018, they added it to Merriam-Webster’s dictionary. And my name is there, which is cool. The definition was the art and science of changing the environment around you and inside of you, so you have full control of your own biology. Sounds an awful lot like epigenetics. And it includes epigenetics, which is saying okay, the food timing thing, the light, temperature, even stress levels, all of those turn genetic switches on or off. 

Now you need to know, do you have the genetic switches to turn on or off? That’s regular genetics. And then you layer in epigenetics. But even if you have all those, if you have poor pattern matching capabilities, so your body thinks there’s threats. when there aren’t threats, that poor pattern matching will throw epigenetic switches and it’ll make you act like a jerk. So when you control that biology inside of yourself, there is a personal development thing. And a lot of it is not consciousness. And what they’ll teach you in a therapist office is feel, or even in the Buddhist monastery sometime, feel the emotions washing through you. Recognize that they’re just emotions and they don’t have any validity. Release and let it go. Do you know how much energy and time it takes to do that? What a fricking waste of time. 

Yes, everything, all of that is real. I have done all that. I’ve traveled to Tibet and learn meditation from the masters. What if the thing that made you feel that useless emotion that was not real? What if you turned that off, so that instead of taking your energy and using it on that, you actually use the energy to fold proteins more effectively so you could have longer telomeres, so you didn’t die. So it’s your job to do the work to turn off inappropriate environmental reactivity, because it is a source of epigenetic stress. That’s what I’m working on.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

Wow, that’s, I was just about to jump into that question. Is that where are you working on now? Because that, you just told me something that blew my mind, so that really our life is about working on how to go and change those things off and on? How to actually make those changes instead of probably old technology?

Dave Asprey

Instead of just accepting them. Well most of our problems in life are that we accept things that we don’t like or that we don’t know about, because we think they can’t be changed. Every time anyone says something is impossible or permanent, what they’re saying is that they’re stupid. But what they’re saying is, I don’t know how to do that, therefore I believe it’s impossible. Instead of saying no one’s figured it out yet, but I don’t know if it’s impossible or not, ’cause that’s a true statement. So what you can do there is you can say, all right, I recognize that there’s stuff I don’t like, I’m gonna go in and change it. And that’s just entirely achievable.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

So what are you looking? what are you working on these days?

Dave Asprey

Well, there’s a couple of big things. I am focused on being CEO of Upgrade Labs. This is a company that uses technology to help people recover from stress more effectively than they could in mother nature. So we can put muscle on three times faster than lifting weights. We can give you 45 minutes of cardio in seven minutes without sweating. And with university studies backing this up. And now that you’ve saved huge amounts of time like that, we actually can do neurofeedback for you at Upgrade Labs clinics, as well as things like light therapy with very specific frequencies that are mitochondrial signals for anti-aging, and a whole host of other technologies that just didn’t exist in nature. They’re taking advantage of pathways that are newly discovered in the human body. So we call it a human upgrade center. You come in and you leave better, stronger, faster, smarter than when you came in. And it’s a lot different than going to a spin class.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

Wow.

Dave Asprey

So that is franchising this year. I’m expanding 40 Years of Zen as well. We’ve just spent a lot of energy on a new rev of our hardware and software for human consciousness. And True Dark and True Light, my light therapy and light filtering companies. We’ve filed several more patents on optical filters. And I’ll just warn people. Blue blockers during the day are bad for you. You need some blue during the day, but you’re getting too much. So these are partial blue blockers. And at night blue blockers don’t work very well. You need four different colors blocked and there’s other variables. And that’s why the TrueDark glasses work way better than blue blockers at night. So you see a bunch of companies, we got blue blocking this or that, that’s been around since the 70s, but it turns out it’s like it doesn’t, it’s too much a day and not enough at night. So why would you do that? These are the day-timer filters from TrueDark and the nighttime ones are called Sunset and they work differently than blue blockers. But man, I’ve doubled my deep sleep by controlling the light going into my eyes.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

I know you’re wearing an Oura ring over there. If you want to just, I’ve had Harpreet Rai is one of the other speakers at the Summit. Are you using the Oura ring every day?

Dave Asprey

I have tracked my sleep for 15 years. I was CTO of the first company to get heart rate from the wrist. We sold that company to Intel for a hundred million. So I know a lot about bio-monitoring, it’s one of the biohacker things I do. The Oura ring is by far my favorite. I’m an advisor and investor in Oura. And I’ve gotta say if you were to just pick one variable for anti-aging, it would be look at your recovery score the next morning, or your readiness score is what they call it, your heart rate variability. If that’s routinely low, you have problems. If it’s routinely high, you’re probably on a good anti-aging path. So I look at my Oura ring every single morning as just a part of getting going.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

What’s the last for the last message we can give our viewers to get from this? What’s the one message they should take? There’s so much there, but what should they take from it?

Dave Asprey

I would love to tell you, skip breakfast you’ll live longer, but that’s too easy. So I’m gonna quote Henry Miller on this Sanjeev. He says that “The goal of life is not to accumulate power, but to radiate it.” And the reason that’s relevant is you can store six seconds of ATP energy in your body, and then you die. So you are constantly making energy and you cannot store and save that energy. You have to use it and you can use it on stupid things like reacting to old traumas from when you were three and you didn’t get your Cheerios, or you could use it on making the world a better place. So radiate good power. That would be my message.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

Wow, wow. That’s an awesome message. Thank you so much, Dave. I really appreciate your time today.

Dave Asprey

You got it Sanjeev. Have a great day.

Sanjeev Goel, MD, FCFP (PC), CAFCI

Okay.