How Bioenergetics Can Restore Your Energy for Life?

Dr. Sharon Stills

Hey, everyone. Welcome back to Mastering the Menopause Transition Summit. I’m your host, Dr. Sharon Stills. Always excited to be here with you and always excited when I’m bringing you something new to think about in your hormonal journey. Today, we are gonna dive into one of my favorite topics, bioenergetics, and how energy and the things that you can’t necessarily see, are impacting you in a profound way. And so I have a great guest today, his name is Harry Massey. He has a incredibly inspirational story, which I am gonna let him tell us and after he recovered from his illness, he went on to be a successful entrepreneur. He’s the CEO of NES Health, which is a company dedicated to researching and developing technology aimed at restoring your energy for life. So he also authored a book, he’s made three award-winning films, and so he’s just gonna be a wealth of knowledge, and so sit back, relax, expand your mind and be ready to learn a new way of healing . So welcome, Harry, it’s awesome to have you here.

Harry Massey

No, thank you. It’s, yeah, I’m really looking forward to this talk. It’s nice to be interviewed by someone who’s passionate about the topic.

Dr. Sharon Stills

So tell us your story, ’cause I think it’s so inspirational when we hear stories of people who were suffering and were able to find healing, I know people listening right now are probably suffering and can use a little inspiration in their life.

Harry Massey

I’m sure. So, I absolutely love climbing. I’ve climbed 4,000 meter overhanging faces in the French Alps, I free climbed without ropes, a hundred foot above the ocean with waves crashing into the cliffs below, when I was 21, I had these free climbing trips that led me to being bedridden for the next seven years. On the first trip, I went ice climbing on Ben Nevis in Scotland, and ice climbing is much more delicate than rock climbing, and sometimes, you come across patches that are extremely brittle, whereby like, you teeter, teeter, teeter up as delicately as you can. I was a few hundred meters up the mountain, I placed my ice ax, made my move and the ice shattered and the next thing I realized is that I was falling backwards, tumbling onto the slope below. Now I managed to get my ice back into the steep snow slope arresting my fall, and although I was in pain, it didn’t seem like anything was broken. So I go home, had a whiskey ’cause I was in Scotland, and it wasn’t for another year when I went for an x-ray for a paragliding accident and I was told that I’d fractured my spine during that fall. 

But I hadn’t stopped climbing, and before I even found that out, I went to Shamley in the French Alps, got halfway up the Aiguille du Midi, and started getting this fever where I’m shaking and shivering and I have to get down as soon as I can. I checked into a hotel and allow what turned out to be glandular fever, which I think in the States you call Mono, to sweat itself out. And after that, like I found myself becoming increasingly more and more exhausted. I attempted one more mountaineering trip to Europe, thinking that the mountain air and excise would cure us, but on that time, I couldn’t have been more wrong. So the trip exhausts me so much that ended up stuck in my tent, eating dried bananas till I managed to sum up the energy to drive myself home. Now, my days from there were spent flat on my back, staring at the ceiling and it was like living in a dark cloud, trying to focus enough to remember what I was thinking. And two years of Western medicine couldn’t figure out what was wrong with me. You know, one doctor told me that 80% of people who had chronic fatigue syndrome, like I had it, basically end up having it for life. So, you know, so just take some Xanax or something like that. And I said, “Screw that”. I researched and tried everything to get my energy back and I literally would like follow every protocol to the letter for, you know, six to 12 months at a time. So I went to Africa to do a water fast, I lost a third of my body weight. 

And then the next thing I know, I end up in a wheelchair. I tried, you know, the magnesium IVs, every IV you could think of honestly, supplements, direct diets, ozone, you know, coffee enemas that depleted my adrenals even more. And really, you know, the bottom line of all this was trying to get well with just biochemistry I found completely exhausting, and you know, and unfortunately I was getting worse rather than better. And so I ended up laying in my bed, just staring at the ceiling, not climbing, not going on dates, not having a career. And you know, it wasn’t not one year, not two, not even five, it was seven whole years trying all these different therapies until finally, I thought to myself, if I don’t have energy, why don’t I study where energy comes from? And that led us to bioenergetics, the study of energy and living systems. So I ended up writing to the leading professor in the field, which was Professor Fraser, in Australia, he sent me this paper on quantum biology, I understood, I think about like 10% of it, but I was totally fascinated. And that’s really when I felt something that I hadn’t felt in a really long, long time, which was hope. 

I volunteered to become his research guinea pig and I was experimented on daily for a couple of years, getting all sorts of incredible reactions, like getting these different boils and fevers, like antidotes through the MMR vaccine. And basically little by little, I got my energy back and slowly started living my life again, going on dates, I had my first rock climbing trip for 10 years, building up friendships and starting a bioenergetics research and development company. And today the bioenergetic company that we started with Professor Fraser, has turned the research into many, many different technologies that in short are able to detect and correct your health and energy. And you know, for so long we’ve been using chemistry, i.e. drugs, to treat symptoms. But these pharmaceuticals cause side effects over time. And plus they often only treat the symptoms, not the root cause of disease, but in that whole process, we basically discovered a way to restore people’s health in a chemical toxin-free way without side effects, that’s affordable for everyone. There’s my story. Done.

Dr. Sharon Stills

Wow. That’s an amazing, amazing story. How long ago was that, that you were sick?

Harry Massey

You know, I’m 47 this month. So, and yeah, I got ill when I was 21. So yeah, it’s been, oh yeah, 20 years actually, it’s 20 years now.

Dr. Sharon Stills

Oh, that’s pretty cool. And I was impressed with myself ’cause I’ve climbed Kilimanjaro. That’s how I celebrated my menopause, but wow, your rock climbing is very inspiring and-

Harry Massey

Well, you know, it’s funny. So that mountain, like the Aiguille du Midi, I haven’t been back. So I actually want to go back to Europe. I’m planning to do that next year and go and climb up the mountain that I got sick and that would be a nice, like just complete the loop.

Dr. Sharon Stills

That would be awesome. So bioenergetics energy, and I love how you said you didn’t have energy so you started to study energy. That makes so much sense, but we don’t always-

Harry Massey

Oh, we always study disease, right? I mean, you know, when you said, oh, I’m gonna know everything about chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia and all you come across as these horrible statistics, I was like, well, why don’t we do the opposite and like, how do you have energy, and you know, where does energy come from and that, yeah, that shift in perspective was, well obviously it healed me, but yup.

Dr. Sharon Stills

So for the listeners who, this is a whole new concept for potentially, what is bioenergetics, what is energy, what do they need to know to start wrapping their brains around this as part of their healing journey?

Harry Massey

So I mean like the definition of bioenergetics is basically it’s the study, detection and correction of energy and living systems. It’s sort of just in that statement, and really, you know, some core principles of bioenergetics and I, you know, I’ll just give you three of them, so one is, that life is an energy exchange system and I’ll tell you what that is in a minute, two, the body is a battery and three, fields govern your control system. So just going back to the first, of life being an energy exchange system, so like, you know, if you imagine we’re here, like sitting here, we breathe in oxygen, source of energy, breathe out, carbon dioxide, there’s a little bit of sunlight on my arm. You know, sunlight is a nice form of energy in the form of photons and heat. I could take my feet off and walk outside and get Earth’s electrons from the ground. You know, food obviously is a source of energy, but food in the end gets converted to ATP, which is actually just the electron transfer train in the mitochondria, so this ultimately, everything, well really ultimately, you know, everything gets down to electrons. 

Even photons, you know, when photons are shining into my body here and they’re hitting, you know, the hit structured water in the cell, when it hits structured water, it ends up spinning off an electron, which again could be used as a source of energy in the body. So that’s like the first principle, and there’s a lot of ways you can optimize how you’re exchanging energy with the environment. You know, breath work is a great example. You know, I won’t go into the details of breath work now, but you know, just walking and moving, Qigong, all these things, you know, they all help increase your exchange of energy in the environment and that’s really, really important because the second principle that we’re gonna talk about is that the body is a battery. And so let’s say that you are exchanging energy with the environment, but you’re not storing that energy or you know, your energy is too low. If your energy is too low, you simply don’t have enough, you know, I’m gonna move you to the center, ’cause I had the Zoom off to the left so I kinda realized I was looking off to the left.

Dr. Sharon Stills

You’re good.

Harry Massey

Sorry, back to the body’s a battery. So, you know, when your energy level is too low, so you need a certain amount of energy for, you know, digesting, just living, breathing, thinking, all of the things that your body does. And if your energy is just sort of mediocre, it just has enough to do all those things, all it will do is do those things. Now, if it’s low, you know, you start getting brain fog or you know, you start being sluggish and all of that. But if your overall body battery, your overall energy level is high, you have excess energy that is available, now you can use that to heal yourself. I mean, it just happens automatically, you don’t really have to think about it, or if you’re some Qigong master and you have excess energy, you could actually use that energy to heal other people, a whole other conversation. 

But really the important point or principle is that the body is a battery, the idea is to keep your battery, you know, filled up and make sure you’re not like continually draining it. And you know, basically then you have enough to heal. And that sort of leads us into the third principle, which is, you know, the more interesting one really, is that fields basically govern your control system or they govern your energy control system. So one reason your body battery might completely drain, you might say, well, I do walk, I do, you know, yoga or whatever, whatever, I eat the perfect diet. Well, why on earth is your energy just draining away all the time? That’s because, you know, unfortunately, if you end up with a disease or you have a whole series of, you know, accidents, things that happened to me, your control system can end up so inefficient that it just drains energy. And like, you know, the most extreme example of that would be cancers. You know, when cancer starts sort of just growing everywhere, basically your control system’s become so inefficient, it can’t hold itself, you know, it just can’t hold itself together so the body ends up sort of destroying itself and ultimately you die. 

And so, what we wanna do, is make your body’s control system, you know, basically efficient, coherent, there’s a lot of words you could use for this, you know, we also use the word, information, and if you can get your control system efficient, then you get well. So the next question you might ask is like, well, what is this control system and how does it work? So, you know, I’m just gonna split it into two control systems ’cause it’s simpler. So, you know, like, we’re all generally very used to this chemical control system. I, you know, more like a thyroid molecule, you know, goes in with like a little lock and key and tells your cell, you know, to speed up metabolism. That’s all fine, but it takes time for those molecules to you know, get from your thyroid, travel around the blood to get into the cells. Well, in addition to that, you also have a field based control system. And a field based control system is pretty much instantaneous because it can basically travel at the speed of light or the speed of fields in your body. And that’s super useful and it’s a slightly foreign concept for people, but if your body was only working on a chemical control system, your body couldn’t actually coordinate itself, you know, absolutely perfectly ’cause there’s trillions and trillions of different reactions and mechanisms happening in the body at any one time. 

And the only way to coordinate that perfectly is actually through a field based system that’s instantaneous, that’s actually able to, you know, to hold that cohesion or like, you know, if you’re suddenly in an accident and you react super fast, you know, you’re not waiting for adrenaline to go to the cell to, you know, fire up that muscle, like magically, you are just able to do that in real time and some people report that time slows down in a car accident and, you know, they’re able to do all these things and they manage to avoid dying by moving, or whatever it is, that’s because of the field based control system. And so everything that we wanna do in bioenergetics is, well, we wanna make that control system work as well as possible, and if we do, then energy is conserved and then we have enough energy and resources to basically heal ourselves. There you go, that’s bioenergetics.

Dr. Sharon Stills

So I loved, personally in my practice, I love to affect the field with color. That’s been one of my favorite ways to get the bio photons to speak to each other. So I know you have like a whole set of remedies and devices. So I’d love to learn more about what you’re doing to affect the field that the listeners can learn about that they can use in their own lives.

Harry Massey

I’m sure. So all of those fields, you know, for nice, lovely bit of physics, and so, in physics, you know, all of science, I’m just gonna go with all of science, so, at the sort of base, if you like, I’m just looking at a pyramid, at the base you sort of have biology and physiology. Above that you have chemistry. Above that you have physics at the sort of the top of the pyramid, but within that physics part, really, you have just energy and information. And, you know, if I go to, well, there’s two Einstein quotes that help to explain this, one is that E equals MC squared, which is just saying energy is equivalent to matter. And the second great Einstein quote, he said, is like the sole governing force of the particle is the field, sorry, he actually said, the sole governing force of the, god, I always get, that’s amazing, I never get that wrong. Anyway, the sole governing force of the part, no, it starts with the field, the field is the sole governing force of the particle. So, and the meaning of all that, is, it’s actually the field that’s controlling biochemistry and you know, and in turn controlling biology and what Einstein means by the field, that, it’s a field of information. 

So ultimately information is like this blueprint that’s right throughout reality, but in this case, we’re just talking about the physical body, and this blueprint of information, you know, ultimately controls absolutely everything else. And the beautiful thing about, and, you know, a lot of very, you know, different traditional medicines over the centuries, like Chinese medicine has a sort of an informational energetic character, Hahnemann with homeopathy a couple of hundred years ago, you know, was also using that. The only difference between something like homeopathy is they were taking a very dilute substance and well, sorry, they were diluting something that would cause the symptom and they would dilute it and then the body would hopefully react against it. And the insight that we had with Peter Fraser, our co-founder of NES, it’s like, well, why don’t we just record the positive information of you know, how different parts of the body work in the first place? 

Like, you know, we don’t need to come from a disease perspective, or just like when we said at the beginning, like, you know, all these people were saying, well, you’ve got chronic fatigue, you’re just gonna have to suffer for the rest of your life, and we were like, well, no, why don’t we study the opposite of what healthy is. We applied that same principle here, we’re like, well, let’s record the informational blueprint of a healthy liver, healthy kidney, healthy, you know, brain cell, et cetera, and then provide, you know, provide that to the body. So to answer your question, ’cause you just asked about remedies, basically like in our remedies that we call an infoceutical, which is, you know, an information ceutical, we’ve basically recorded the healthy blueprint of, you know, different tissues into basically into colloidal minerals. And then just when you take that, your body recognizes that blueprint and it directs its energy and resources to repairing that part of the body back to that blueprint. So, that’s how we help people, that’s the main part. 

The second, you know, the second part is like, well, which part of this control system, which remedy do do we need? So we basically created a scanning system that uses your voice, and for those that are familiar with like muscle testing and that type of stuff, it’s sort of like, I mean, it gets a bit complicated, the mass, but basically it’s a computerized form of muscle testing where we test, you know, all, well, 420 different aspects of the human body field. And then yes, and then basically from that, you know, we know which remedy to use. So that’s how we help people.

Dr. Sharon Stills

I’m curious, how did you find healthy resonances of the different organs? Because it seems like it’s hard to find optimal health.

Harry Massey

It’s a long, super long process. So, Peter who is our, you know, our co-founder and the scientist from Australia, he’d been mapping out the human body field for 25 years before I met him. And then we worked with him for another 10 years, so it was a 35 year process. And there was an awful lot of trial and error. Like he would, it’s actually sort of, it’s mathematically theoretical in the sense that,

Dr. Sharon Stills

Okay.

Harry Massey

So like we would say, oh, I could, there’s so many examples. So like, and if we’re looking at a cell, you know, then he would have to work out the theory of what’s creating energy in the cell and okay, there’s the normal ATP route that he’d found that only 60% of the energy came from ATP, there was like another 40% from like, ambient heat, like photons, et cetera. So then he would track those pathways and then, so basically it’s not like that we took a raw, we didn’t go and find the healthiest person on the planet

Dr. Sharon Stills

Yes.

Harry Massey

Or anything like that. This is actually from the ground up, raw principles of how different pathways or different energetic pathways that work in your body, and then to work out the information sets, you literally have to do it through trial and error, like it’s mathematical. So it’s like, you know, it does a vector, is it vector one, is it a two, is it a three, is it a four? No, you know, and be no, no, no, oh, it’s a five, yes. And then we would basically build up these vectors of just pure information and that, it did take 35 years to do that. So yeah, it’s not a, yeah, we didn’t, it’s not from biological samples per se, yeah.

Dr. Sharon Stills

Makes sense, makes sense. So what is actually in the remedies? Are they just-

Harry Massey

From a chemical point of view, it’s just minerals and water, but the magic is the information that we imprint. And probably you’re wondering how you imprint that. So we basically just use photons and still like the, you can carry the information on the light and the light just passes through, then it imprints the liquid on the inside.

Dr. Sharon Stills

We do that a lot with homeopathic remedies, with imprinting machines. So for someone who’s listening, how do they know if their energy needs help and how do they know which part, like which organ, how is there?

Harry Massey

That’s really this scan that we call a bioenergetic wellness system. So you basically, so you would go online with your practitioner or a coach.

Dr. Sharon Stills

Okay.

Harry Massey

They would record your voice. And then we’d basically take that voice imprint, we’d run a whole bunch of algorithms against it, well against 440 different items. And then from that it selects like five different infoceuticals.

Dr. Sharon Stills

Cool, so it’s easy to do, it can be done from your computer.

Harry Massey

It can, yeah, yep, yep. Anywhere with an internet.

Dr. Sharon Stills

And you also have wearable devices, right?

Harry Massey

Not quite, but depending when the Summit’s coming out. So in November we have a new wearable called a GEM that stands for Guided Energy Management, that’s able to detect, correct and protect your energy. If you like everything we just described, we’re basically doing well, it’s not as fully comprehensive. What I just described is really a practitioner system and what I’m now describing is a, you know, a consumer system, but yeah, you can basically just do it in a wearable, it’s long short, although a little bit more complicated, ’cause we’re picking up people’s pulse. So from a traditional Chinese medicine aspect, you can, there’s like 29 different pulses. And then we’ve worked out these algorithms that are able to classify those 29 pulses. And then we’d like, turn that into five element theory. And then from there into all these different emotional characteristics, so like we know, so we can tell if someone’s like frustrated to decisive, or anxious to faith, like all these different sort of emotional scales. 

And you can tell all the normal things like the whooper Oura would do like the whole sleep movement, all of that, but that’s pretty dull ’cause everyone can do that. But yeah, the real thing is it can, sort of, I mean, it’s actually analyzing your overall energy, health and vitality in real time because we can tell from the shape of your pulse, how, you know, what I say normal, but in Chinese medicine it’s called a Ping Mei, and that’s like a nice, optimal, normal pulse. And we can see how deviated the shape is away from this perfect pulse picture. And then it corrects you by imprinting these like through light, same as we make these remedies, you can basically imprint your blood directly to help balance all your emotions. And then we have these personalized, what I’m calling an annotation, but it’s basically a meditation that’s personalized to you based on the reading with all this wisdom that sort of, you know, helps you become more positive basically.

Dr. Sharon Stills

That is super, super cool. I love that. So you had mentioned there was some research out of the University of California, San Diego.

Harry Massey

Oh, sure, yeah. So, well as you, yeah, for this new company, we wanted to make sure it, you know, came out as research backed, but yeah, they’ve been doing a whole bunch of experiments, but one they did on the very famous COVID. We don’t have a product for COVID, so I can talk about it, but basically we would take, so you can take lung tissue, and then we basically imprint the lung tissue with some information that will help the lung tissue reject the COVID virus, and then you infect it with COVID and then you see how quickly it rejects. And basically you can increase the rejection rate by like 30%. And when we did it with Aids, it increased it by 50%. Did some other experiments with neural stem cells where you can increase neural stem cell growth by that was, yeah, that was 50% over a 10 day period. And then we’ve also been looking at like the cell membrane resilience, i.e. so if like toxins are trying to get in the cell, that the cell membrane can resist that, I had that bit has, I don’t know the full data, but I know there’s like early signs of the cell membrane, like resisting toxicity and things like that.

Dr. Sharon Stills

Very, very cool, very cool. So, I mean, in your mind, do you see a need for anything other than bioenergetics in your healing process? Or do you take supplements?

Harry Massey

Oh, what a question. You know, there’s a place for everything like good, I mean, good food and diet. I mean, from our bioenergetics point of view, it’s inclusive of biochemistry anyway, and, you know, bad food is bad information from our point of view, so no, a hundred percent, you know, good herbal medicine, good other healing principles. I mean, there’s so many things in the healing arts that are really beneficial, but honestly, they sort of fit within this framework that we’re describing anyway. If I went back to when I was really sick, perhaps the bit I didn’t say, you know, that period was so, so stressful, I think that’s why the biochemistry wasn’t working, whereas obviously it does work for a lot of other people. You know, my view on it all honestly, is like you do everything. Like, you know, if you’ve plateaued with something and not getting anywhere, then try something else. So, you know, you might try our stuff for six months or something like that. But yeah, no, I mean, I do not eat unhealthily if that’s all you’re asking, so.

Dr. Sharon Stills

You’re not gonna go have McDonald’s after this conversation?

Harry Massey

No, no, absolutely not.

Dr. Sharon Stills

So where can, this is definitely outside the box, it’s totally in my box, but I’m sure it’s outside the box, where can people listening learn more if this is something that’s calling to them?

Harry Massey

So, I mean the best place, just go to NEShealth.com. And on that site, you know, you can find a practitioner or a coach, like, you can download our books. You know, like our main book, I think our main book’s, like, I think it’s “Restore Your Energy with Bioenergetics”, or “Restore Your Health with Bioenergetics”, I’m sure that’s on Amazon as is, “Decoding The Human Body-Field”. There’s a film called, “The Living Matrix”, which is a film about all this stuff, which is on the livingmatrixmovie.com. But yeah, and then the only other site would be energyforlife.com, which is the new wearable, like, if you’re interested in that for when it comes out, just put your name in the opt-in and you’ll be alerted when, like, there’s no, you’re not gonna be bombarded with newsletters, but when it comes out, we’ll let you know.

Dr. Sharon Stills

Awesome. Well thank you for sharing. And I hope everyone listening, maybe listen again, go to some of those resources, and we tend to, and as you know, we tend to focus on our hormones and I love hormones with the rest of you, and, but there is so much more to healing, it’s why I wanted to create this Summit so you could learn about all the other important things, you can take hormones, but if you don’t work on your energy field and the information you’re getting, then you’re not getting the benefit of the hormones, you’re not having a fully healed being. And so I really hope that you-

Harry Massey

I think, yeah, I mean, in reference to hormones, as it’s MTHFR summit, I mean, when you optimize your body’s control system, it’s gonna optimize how your body, you know, produces hormones, and it’s gonna make it a easier transition through the menopause. So, I mean, it’s not that you can avoid it, but it’s gonna make it easier.

Dr. Sharon Stills

Exactly. It’s we always wanna start with the hormones, but we really need to start with the field and the energy and the information, and we get these things balanced and then we can build up. And if we need to tweak or add in the hormones and so forth, we can certainly do that, but you’re missing out on a big part of healing if you don’t have an acknowledgement of information energy and how it affects you. So I hope this inspired you to go learn more, check out Harry’s sites, sign up for, I’m signing up, I want one of those. So, so thanks for being here and playing with us, and we’ll be back with another interview soon, so be well till then.